CZ-52 or Romanian TTC?


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stchman
June 28, 2010, 07:25 PM
A friend of mine and I were having an argument and he claims the Tokarev (Romanian/Russian/Yogo) pistols are far uglier than the CZ-52.

I personally think he is crazy and purposely trying to get my goat.

Also the mag release on the CZ-52 sucks major. Who ever thought up that bottom release is absolutely crazy.

A friend of mine has both the CZ-52 and the Yugo M57. The Yugo is far easier to take apart, better shooting, and easier to change mags than the CZ.

What does everyone else think?

Thanks.

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harmon rabb
June 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
This is like arguing which of two ugly women are uglier. What's the point? Both are ugly :D

Btw, I love my Tokarev TTC, ugly girl that she is :D

stchman
June 28, 2010, 07:42 PM
I think the Tokarev TT series are actually kind of nice looking.

wally
June 28, 2010, 08:10 PM
I've both, while the CZ52 is more "modern" the TTC is a better shooter and mags are much easier to find for it.


After you've shot the TTC it looks a whole lot better!

Snowdog
June 28, 2010, 08:26 PM
I also have both (the Tokarev being a M57). I like the Tokarev so much more that I have a 2nd on the way. I am selling the CZ-52 (Here, if anyone's interested, though there's only 20 hours left on the auction) (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=175993292).

Nothing against the CZ-52. It's a stout, well made pistol. Mine has proven 100% reliable and fairly accurate with all ammunition that I've put through it, this includes a few JHPs and JSPs from Reed's and Wolf. It's a better shooter in someone else hands (a buddy shoots it far better than I can) and here's why: it doesn't fit me. There's something unique about the grip that doesn't jive with my mitts.

The M57 on the other hand, feels more like a 1911 (though still different, of course) and with the M57, the controls are in the exact same place, including the safety. I get the feeling the Tokarev might not be as "stout" as the CZ-52 (which is a freakin' tank), but since it fits my hand better and the controls are in the appropriate places, IMO, I'll cast my vote for the Tokarev (and specifically the Yugo M57).

glove
June 28, 2010, 08:30 PM
+1 for the TT-33:)

Fastcast
July 1, 2010, 10:10 AM
I think a lot depends on how nice of a sample you have.....My FFL had both and I went with the CZ-52 because it looked to be unissued and had the original grey parkerized finish. The Tok he had looked like a crude turd in comparison and then, that ridiculous add-on safety. :rolleyes:

Now a buddy picked up a re-arsenal-ed CZ-52 with the black finish and it's kind of rough in comparison to mine. My 52 is a sweet shooter, especially with commercial S&B ammo......BTW, the Hogue grip is an unbelievable addition to the way the 52 feels and shoots. My 52 isn't going anywhere or being traded for any Toks and yes I voted 52. ;)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/fastcast/CZ52-1.jpg

wojownik
July 1, 2010, 02:12 PM
Apples and oranges in a way.

The CZ-52 is just not aesthetically pleasing to me. I have one - shoots great, and rather innovative, but misses the mark in terms of looks, is not that well balanced, a bit over complicated, and grips that - well - scream "what were you thinking"?

The Tokarev has kind of a timeless classic look to it (the "Soviet 1911"). Also shoots great, simple design principals, surprisingly comfortable to hold and shoot. I have two Polish TT-33s, and would get a M-57 if I weren't saving up for something else.

Snowdog
July 1, 2010, 08:34 PM
I must agree with the "what were you thinking" ergonomics of the CZ-52. I must say that even though the grip angle looks similar when compared to the TT33, they feel completely different.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4753550900_f63dde5f06.jpg

The Yugo M57 fit me so well that I purchased a second (along with 2100 rounds of Yugoslavian ammunition).

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4752897995_59e9614491.jpg

christcorp
July 1, 2010, 10:42 PM
This is like arguing which of two ugly women are uglier. What's the point? Both are ugly :D

Btw, I love my Tokarev TTC, ugly girl that she is :D
What's the point? The point is; which of the ugly girls puts out????

c919
July 1, 2010, 11:05 PM
Uh, yeah... Tok all the way.

Say, Snowdog,

Does that Yugo ammo get red junk all up in your Tok? I have a pretty respectable stockpile of it as well, and really love it. However, the red "chips" get on my nerves. Although, it does remove easily with some Break Free.

Snowdog
July 2, 2010, 12:14 AM
C919, I haven't run into any particularly concerning issues with the stuff, not yet anyway. I usually clean with a solvent (such as CLP) and an old toothbrush as I find it a speedy way to clean. All debris comes out with normal cleaning. That said, I've only fired some 200 rounds or so of the stuff.

So far it seems quite consistent and surprisingly clean burning for milsurp ammunition. I originally bought it as I figured it would be neat to have ammunition that was made specifically for a particular firearm (I figured Yugoslavian ammunition for a Yugoslavian M57, right?).

Now that I'm happy with it and have two M57s, I'll likely buy more, maybe 5k or so. At the rate I'm able to shoot these days, that in addition to what I already have will probably last me at least a decade. It's cheap enough and when it's gone, it's gone (Yugoslavia milsurp ammo, that is).
BTW, I find that some of the best deals are in Berdan/corrosive surplus ammo. A little extra cleaning precautions is well worth the savings, IMO.

Did I mention how impressed I am with the M57? :D

c919
July 2, 2010, 03:37 PM
Oh yeah, the corrosive stuff is dirt cheap. As long as you make sure you clean the bore and chamber with some Windex within a day or two of shooting it, it's perfectly fine to use.

Heck, that's the whole reason I bought the gun in the first place.

Oldnoob
July 3, 2010, 04:41 AM
Had both, but get rid of CZ 52 because I shot my Norinco 54-1 much more accurate than CZ. The fact CZ worth more was also a factor.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/NorincoCZ52.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/johell/My%20gun/CZ52Norinco.jpg

Really like the caliber and wish some modern platform will pick up this caliber.

OldMac
July 3, 2010, 11:17 AM
Tokarev (Romy, Yugo, Polish, Russian) are all better than the CZ.

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