The .30carbine....Revolver?


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MikePaiN
June 28, 2010, 09:34 PM
A bud just turned me on to these and I'm blown away...

http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/30CSS10.jpg
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=186&category=Revolver

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gbran
June 28, 2010, 09:45 PM
I'm curious. What impressed you most, the platform or the caliber? If it was the caliber, what makes you like it over others? I've never fired the 30 out of a handgun. Ruger BTW, also offers the 30 in a SA handgun.

montess85
June 28, 2010, 11:09 PM
it says its discontinued

SaxonPig
June 28, 2010, 11:39 PM
I once had the Ruger 30 Carbine revolver and I clocked the 110 military ammo at 1400 FPS. That's not much higher than a hot 38 Special load. I was underwhelmed.

sonier
June 28, 2010, 11:51 PM
I guess theres a somewhat market for anything, not my cup of tea interesting though ;)

Tommygunn
June 28, 2010, 11:52 PM
The carbine round will lose a lot of velocity in a handgun's short barrel. There was also an Automag in .30 Carbine.
The M-1 Carbine used in WW2 was actually designed for rear echelon people who were not primarily tasked to fight, but who might need a weapon to defend themselves. Usually handguns are harder to learn to use accuratly and the carbine was developed as a compromise. It did see frontline service and as long as the weapon was used in short range situations it actually performed acceptably, but when longer ranges were encountered it didn't have the accuracy or power the Garand had, and suffered.
It is really a bit much for a pistol round and closer to the low power or low intermediate range of power in rifle rounds.
For those who have a .30 Carbine handgun hollowpoint rounds in .30 Carbine would be pretty good for defense purposes.

bskillet
June 29, 2010, 12:10 AM
It did see frontline service and as long as the weapon was used in short range situations it actually performed acceptably, but when longer ranges were encountered it didn't have the accuracy or power the Garand had, and suffered.

Audie Murphy prefered the M1 Carbine to the M1 Garand, in part because in tight situations it was light enough that he could grip and shoot it one handed.

mljdeckard
June 29, 2010, 12:36 AM
A friend of mine has a Blackhawk one, it's LOUD. I'm not sure how old it is, he's had it a long time.

MikePaiN
June 29, 2010, 05:49 AM
I'm curious. What impressed you most, the platform or the caliber?
I do own an AO M1 Carbine, its my "by far" favorite shooter. At first seeing this rev. I was hit with a little shock having not known there were hand guns made in this cal.. Now that I've slept on it, I'm over the shock ;) Seems silly to make a rifle cal. handgun......

DWFan
June 29, 2010, 07:30 AM
Good luck finding one. By all reports, they were accurate, loud and, being based on the Raging Bull frame, quite heavy for the caliber. Eight rounds with a full-moon clip though.

jhvaughan2
June 29, 2010, 08:42 AM
Can you get an IWB for that?

flipajig
June 29, 2010, 10:46 AM
To me it makes sence one bullet for two guns less to carry. My dad has a BH and a carbine and I have a SBH and a Winchester in 44mag. Im not bashing Taurs but ive had one and sold it shortly after buying it.

wleoff
June 29, 2010, 12:01 PM
I've got one that I bought out of curiosity and because I had two cases of 30 Carbine ammo. Turns out that it's pretty accurate. It is loud and there's about two feet of flame out the barrel from unburned powder. What I really need is some of those 1400 fps 38 Specials that someone mentioned.
http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp244/wleoff/M1Carbine.jpg

CraigC
June 29, 2010, 12:46 PM
Ruger has produced a .30Carbine Blackhawk dating back to Old Model production. They can't have ever been big sellers but they continue to catalog it. Shoots flat and makes for an excellent varmint round. Personally, I like the new .327 better because it is a true .32, has a rim and can utilize the myriad .32 bullets on the market. Plus it fits into the Single Six frame, with only a new cylinder needed. Expect 1600fps with 100gr JHP's.

rmfnla
June 29, 2010, 12:52 PM
Audie Murphy prefered the M1 Carbine to the M1 Garand, in part because in tight situations it was light enough that he could grip and shoot it one handed.
He was also 5' 5-1/2" tall and probably weighed 140 lbs soaking wet, so I'm sure the .30 carbine was much more comfortable for him to shoot than the Garand.

zxcvbob
June 29, 2010, 12:54 PM
I have a .30 Carbine Ruger Blackhawk. Has anybody yet mentioned how LOUD they are? That's part of its charm :D It shoots flat and is extremely accurate. The only problem is sticky extraction caused by the long-tapered case.

I've clocked some of my handloads at 1700+ fps with 100 grain cast bullets.

Jim K
June 29, 2010, 03:23 PM
S&W also experimented with revolvers in .30 carbine, and there have been a couple of semi-autos, notably the disastrous Kimball, a blowback pistol that literally came apart under the stress of the .30 Carbine round.

There was a mild interest by the military in a .30 Carbine handgun when the carbine was in service, and even some idea of replacing the .45 pistol, but those thoughts went nowhere, which was all to the good. I have fired a Ruger in .30 Carbine and the blast and noise (even with muffs) was more than I want to experience again. Unlike, zxcvbob, I was not charmed!

Jim

buttrap
June 30, 2010, 01:18 AM
It is a interesting idea in theory but in practice not so good. LOUD,noisy and dirty. Did I mention that they have a very loud high pitched crack to them? The shooter end is hit almost as hard as on the target end. The performance drop due to being shot out of a pistol length barrel tends to negate any good advantage or energy.

CraigC
June 30, 2010, 03:35 AM
I've clocked some of my handloads at 1700+ fps with 100 grain cast bullets.
The performance drop due to being shot out of a pistol length barrel tends to negate any good advantage or energy.
Funny how if you take two cartridges, one originally chambered in revolvers and one originally chambered in rifles, both loaded similarly, either becomes impotent when the platform changes. In other words, the 400fps gain that the .357 achieves in rifle length barrels does not render it obsolete for revolver use, so why would the same not hold true for the .30Carbine? Or the .22Mag for that matter? Both of which seem to have this odd stigma attached to them. Nevermind the fact that maximum velocities are achieved with the same powders, regardless of barrel length.

sgtdevildog
June 30, 2010, 06:48 AM
I believe USFA makes a SAA in 30 carbine still.

CraigC
June 30, 2010, 12:46 PM
Forgot about that one, they also have a fixed sight convertible and the adjustable sighted Sparrowhawk in .327.

http://www.usfirearms.com/cat/us30.asp

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