Over/Under Combination Guns


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thunder173
June 29, 2010, 06:20 PM
Anybody have any idea who may be making or importing to the US any reasonably priced over/under combination guns? Savage 24's are no longer in production. The Baikal's that have been imported by EEA, USSG, and Remington are bringing horrible high prices.

What are the options if any??

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ArmedBear
June 29, 2010, 06:22 PM
A 20 Gauge O/U and a pocket full of slugs?

thunder173
June 29, 2010, 06:27 PM
Actually looking for a 12 or 20 gauge over anything centerfire,..preferably .308. Anyone heard of anybody offering to make or import? Seem's like somebody would step up to fill that niche in the market?

I have a couple of the Baikal's and like them,...in both .22LR and .22 WMR over 410. Would like to add to them if they were available at any reasonable price.

ArmedBear
June 29, 2010, 06:30 PM
Curious: what would this be for?

thunder173
June 29, 2010, 06:37 PM
For giggles and grins mostly. The .22's over 410 my wife and I use for small game and plinking. But I'd like a centerfire/12 or 20 gauge version for those rare times during our white tail deer season when it overlaps partridge, bunnies and other nefarious and tasty small game targets of opportunity. Maybe turkey. No other particular reason,... other than I can. Why do you ask?

ArmedBear
June 29, 2010, 06:40 PM
I'm Austrian by descent, and the Austrians make lots of guns like these. I've always wondered what they'd be good for, apart from being interesting guns. There's a part of me that would like to have one for chukar and deer, but I don't think a good deer gun would be a good chukar gun.

This stuff is neat to look at, but not especially affordable: http://www.fanzoj.com/en/home/index.html

The European Drillings often have elaborate sights that disappear into the rib when you switch the gun to "shotgun" mode.

thunder173
June 29, 2010, 06:56 PM
Spent some time in Germany and Italy,...about six years in fact. Saw many beautiful drillings while there,..could've and should've bought some then,..but a soldiers pay didn't match the numbers being asked for those drillings then,....or now for that matter. I looked at one once and thought the price tag was the serial number!!!!!

I had a Savage 24 in .22LR/410 when I was a kid,..it went the way of the wind. When I found the Baikal's I bought the first one on a lark. Liked it,..and like I said,..the bride claimed it,..so I bought another while they could still be found. Sure would like to find a centerfire version, ....but unless you want to part with a lot more than they are worth,...you can't find them, ...as the sources are drying up fast for them.

A combination gun won't do either the best,..but they will get it done fairly well.

I just find it interesting that Baikal hasn't tagged on with another importer, or that somebody hasn't stepped up to make them here in the states. I realize there's not a huge market for them,..but there IS a market.

Oh well,...guess I'll have to keep shooting my lunch with a revolver when I am carrying my deer rifle. :-)

oneounceload
June 29, 2010, 07:59 PM
How about scouring the gun sales/auction sites for a used Savage? Or maybe a used Valmet?

win71
June 29, 2010, 11:06 PM
I have an older one that was a CZ import and I believe it was a 484 mod 4 but I could be wrong. It wasn't as expensive as the current model. It came in the same caliber choices, same single set trigger for the rifle barrel, etc. etc. Mine is 12 ga. over 30-06. I carry it on a Honda trail 90 during overlapping seasons on Grouse, Quail, deer, bear, etc. I keep it in a boat, hunting along the shore line for the same reason.

JellyJar
June 29, 2010, 11:28 PM
How about these?....

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/brno-combo-rifleshotgun/

MSRP 2087 USD

12 guage with either .243 win, .308 win, or 30-06.

JellyJar
June 30, 2010, 12:05 AM
Also, look at these:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/FinnClassic-512SC-System-Combo-12-rifle.cfm?gun_id=100107312

I hope that you consider these prices to be reasonable.

Ky Larry
June 30, 2010, 12:33 AM
I have read that a combo gun with a .30-06 over a 12ga was very popular with Alaskan bush pilots. Also, it would seem to be an ideal gun for back packers and people spending extended time in remote areas with big bears.

Hardtarget
June 30, 2010, 12:50 AM
I have used my Savage .22/410 for small game for fifty years. Got it when I was ten. It just works good for small game...plinking...and its great for diggs on your cousin 'cause you have the "option" and he doesn't. :D

Mark

XxWINxX94
June 30, 2010, 12:54 AM
I used to have a Valmet model 9-- something. It was an over/under 12ga. but I've heard of the Savage .22/410.

Theres also the Judge revolver, .45/410ga in any combination of 5 shots in a cylinder.

thunder173
June 30, 2010, 10:14 AM
Thank you all for your input.

I am aware of the Valmet/Finn Classic's,..and BRNO's that CZ is now marketing. All look great and I am certain they are well made guns. Have actually handled a couple of them over the years. Considerably more than I'd care to pay though. I could,..but the bride would have my hide if I did.

I already have the two Baikal's in .22LR & .22 WMR over .410.

A used Savage,....or another Baikal (branded by any other name)...is what I am looking for. Eventually,..I suspect I'll find one. And when I do,..it'll follow me home.

The Judge revolver isn't even in the same league here,..I am talking over/under shotgun/rifle combo's,...but thanx for that input.

fireman 9731
June 30, 2010, 11:29 AM
I love my Savage 24 S-E in 22lr/.410. I say just keep checking in pawn shops and maybe Gunbroker. You should be able to turn up a decent one for less than $500.

Legionnaire
June 30, 2010, 01:46 PM
I like 24s, too. Don't have one in a centerfire cartridge, though I hope to find a nice one in .222 over 20.

goste
June 30, 2010, 11:10 PM
I like the Savage o/u's, very much. My first firearm, was a Savage 22/410, which I still use to this day, almost 40 years later...

I killed my first elk, and my first mulie with a savage 24 308/12g. This gun was stolen from my brothers house in Colo, in 1984. I have been told that Savage didn't make this gun, that is was made by Valmet, but I remember clear as day, it had Savage corp. stamped on the barrel, I had never heard of Valmet, at the time.....Wish I had it back, or could find another.....

medbill
September 12, 2010, 03:22 PM
I have an new old stock BRNO 802 on the way to me now in 12ga over 30-06. Will let you guys know how it shoots will make a nice deer/coyote or bear country gun.

J_L_A
September 12, 2010, 08:23 PM
I use one for coyote.

Russ Jackson
September 12, 2010, 08:48 PM
Then there is the Colt JP Sauer Drilling...Russ

Nasty Ned
September 12, 2010, 09:56 PM
I love my 22 Mag over 20 Ga. It seems to me to be the perfect combo for just about anything. I'd rather fight than switch!

sojerguy
September 13, 2010, 12:28 PM
The Valmet 412/Tikka 512 are it. Multiple calibers in the over under 12/12, 20/20, 12/06, 20/308, 06/06, 308/308. 243/243, 7/7, 9.3x74/9.3x74 .... Chokes, trap variants ..

And best of all, as the barrels are independant, adjustable for windage/elevatiom/regulation for point of aim. Yes I have most of the above, and two frames.

Go make MAJOR nice to the bride/frau and then get one. You won't regret it.

Kleanbore
September 13, 2010, 01:15 PM
Posted by ArmedBear: I'm Austrian by descent, and the Austrians make lots of guns like these. I've always wondered what they'd be good for, apart from being interesting guns. There's a part of me that would like to have one for chukar and deer, but I don't think a good deer gun would be a good chukar gun.Good point.

I seem to recall reading that these guns were popular in jurisdictions in which the number of firearms that one could lawfully own was severely limited, leading to the need for compromise.

I've heard the same thing about rifles with interchangeable barrels.

natman
September 13, 2010, 01:59 PM
I like the Savage o/u's, very much. My first firearm, was a Savage 22/410, which I still use to this day, almost 40 years later...

I killed my first elk, and my first mulie with a savage 24 308/12g. This gun was stolen from my brothers house in Colo, in 1984. I have been told that Savage didn't make this gun, that is was made by Valmet, but I remember clear as day, it had Savage corp. stamped on the barrel, I had never heard of Valmet, at the time.....Wish I had it back, or could find another.....
Savage marketed that gun. It was made by Valmet. It's not the same gun as a 24, although it's certainly understandable how one might get that impression.

desidog
September 14, 2010, 02:07 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=190446179

No bids yet.

I'm not a fan of single shot, because your inclination after shooting double shotguns is to pull the second trigger if you miss....not the best move with rifle bullets, blue sky, and neighbors.

However, I've seen a few s/s shotguns with a third barrel in between and below that accept pistol-sized cartridges, which i think would be fun for field shooting if you jump a jack. They have all been in the higher price brackets of fine European sporting arms though; and when i get to those prices, i think about cars i could buy instead.

medbill
September 20, 2010, 11:38 PM
My mistake its a new old stock CZ 584 12GA/30-06, have a scope mount on order from CZ right now. Can't wait to set it up and put a few rounds through it. Will post some pics of how it shoots once I get it set up.

yllek
September 30, 2010, 03:58 PM
The Valmet 412/Tikka 512 are it. Multiple calibers in the over under 12/12, 20/20, 12/06, 20/308, 06/06, 308/308. 243/243, 7/7, 9.3x74/9.3x74 .... Chokes, trap variants ..

And best of all, as the barrels are independant, adjustable for windage/elevatiom/regulation for point of aim. Yes I have most of the above, and two frames.

Go make MAJOR nice to the bride/frau and then get one. You won't regret it.
I'm new to threads posts and stuff like that my qustion is where do u find the combo guns I love to buy a 20 gauge over a 308

oneounceload
October 1, 2010, 01:56 PM
Here's a site that has 13 currently for sale by Savage alone:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Savage-Combination-Guns.cfm?cat_id=3763&CFID=3302900&CFTOKEN=3c61dd3804c00e28-68B613A9-B0E1-BC05-A978E4DAEB226CD4


Same site - page of ALL drilling/combo guns:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/Drilling-Combination-Guns.cfm?cat_id=113&CFID=3302900&CFTOKEN=3c61dd3804c00e28-68B613A9-B0E1-BC05-A978E4DAEB226CD4

oneounceload
October 1, 2010, 02:00 PM
I'm Austrian by descent, and the Austrians make lots of guns like these. I've always wondered what they'd be good for, apart from being interesting guns. There's a part of me that would like to have one for chukar and deer, but I don't think a good deer gun would be a good chukar gun.

Besides the point of limited gun ownership, many times there are multiple animals being hunted at one time, such as stag, boar, hare, and winged creatures.

While Peter Hofer's guns are VERY expensive, by looking at the models available:
http://hoferwaffen.com/hofer_52.php?lang=en
you can see that he makes guns with multiple barrels of different calibers in one unit.

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