Insane clerk at pawn shop


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GRAYRID3R
June 29, 2010, 06:42 PM
I own a low voltage contracting company, and am sometimes cash poor when I need to rent equipment. When this happens I reluctantly go to my safe and sacrifice a seldom used weapon to a pawn shop. I've only had to resort to this twice before and I've never lost anything except the unbelievable interest. Anyway I chose a Ruger RedHawk Stainless .44 Mag for this particular transaction. I keep everything, including lock, fired round, manual, and original receipt in the gun case. I double checked the weapon to make sure it was not loaded and put it in the original plastic case. I walked into the pawn shop toward the owner whom I have done business with before, but I'm stopped at the counter by a clerk who takes the case out of my hands and puts it on the counter, "what do we have here" he asks, so I explained I was there to get a loan on the handgun, and am describing it,when he opens the box, takes the gun out, sweeps me with it and looks down the barrel!!! I knew the gun was empty, but instinctively moved to the side as he sweeps me a second time. Then he takes a ballpoint pen and sticks it down the barrel and looks right into the barrel of the gun! He STILL has not opened the cylinder to see if the gun is loaded!! He asks me how much I want and I said I only needed $350.00 to rent a lift for a job I'm doing. He laughs and says "you mean $250.00?" Well now I'm getting a little angry :fire: and said something like, if you would open the cylinder and give the gun a real inspection, and look at the receipt. I would say $350.00 is LOW. So he asks the mgr. what he should do as he turns to talk to him he sweeps him too. He said "This guy wants $350.00 for this Red Hawk, and he has a receipt here from ******** for $799.00. The mgr says "give him the $350.00!" I was happy to get out of that place and the only time I plan on going back is to redeem my handgun! BTW before somebody says I should have openned the case myself, took the weapon out, openned the cylinder, and placed the gun on the counter, that was my intention until the clerk actually reached across the counter and took it out of my hands.

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highorder
June 29, 2010, 06:51 PM
Well then you shouldn't have let him snatch it from your hands! ;)

Idiots are everywhere, but they cluster around pawn shops.

Bula
June 29, 2010, 06:53 PM
No different from 99% of the dealers at our big gunshows here in Phoenix. Everything that isn't there's, is junk (in their eyes). It's comical to see them making offers on identical items that they have displayed. Example, I saw one guy offering some kid $50 for a like new stainless 10-22. Said "you can't get hardly get $100 for'em", meanwhile, he's selling POS blued beaters 10-22 for $175???

These guys prey on desperation.

General Geoff
June 29, 2010, 07:02 PM
Well then you shouldn't have let him snatch it from your hands!

Agreed. I'd have held on, tight, and told him to take his hands off my property.

bikerdoc
June 29, 2010, 07:21 PM
Get imaginative revenge.

ichiban
June 29, 2010, 07:39 PM
After you retrieve your firearm let the owner know that that is the last time you will be doing business with him and explain why that is. He may care, he may not.

Cosmoline
June 29, 2010, 08:02 PM
When I've been in a pinch before I won't hesitate to sell off iron. It's MUCH better in the long run than dealing with the pawn sharks. The best way these days is on line, not at a pawn shop and certainly not at a gun show! Put your item up for a reasonable price and deal direct with the buyer on a cash basis ftf or money order to an out of state FFL. It's a lot less nuisance than dealing with the crooked middle men.

wriggly
June 29, 2010, 08:13 PM
Sounds like Chumly got transferred from Vegas....

nitetrane98
June 29, 2010, 08:37 PM
Pawn shops are really insane. The only time I've ever used one was last year around Christmas. I needed 500 bucks and offered a SS Colt Delta Gold Cup and a LNIB Browning BDA .380. They said they couldn't do it. I said "Cool, I know what they are worth." and walked out. The manager actually chased me down in the parking lot and said, "Is that all you want on them?"

AK103K
June 29, 2010, 08:45 PM
Whats scarier is, think about who's probably playing with YOUR gun, right now. How many times do you think they did the movie "snap" with the cylinder by now? :eek:

buck460XVR
June 29, 2010, 09:52 PM
Whats scarier is, think about who's probably playing with YOUR gun, right now. How many times do you think they did the movie "snap" with the cylinder by now? :eek:

.................kinda what I was thinkin'.:uhoh:

lions
June 29, 2010, 09:55 PM
No different from 99% of the dealers at our big gunshows here in Phoenix. Everything that isn't there's, is junk (in their eyes).

Gun show motto: Did you just buy that beautiful firearm, or are you trying to sell that piece of junk?

jeepguy
June 29, 2010, 09:56 PM
when you go to get your redhawk back i would courteously go over how to safely handle a firearm. always check to see if it is loaded, how to open the cylinder, eject the magazine & visually check the chamber, keep your finger off the trigger, and not to cover any one with the muzzle. remember people judge all of us from the actions of a few of us. share with that you are sharing this information with him, out of concern for him, his costomers, and his employees. we dont need to make any more "anti's" and helping someone understand gun safty is alwys a good thing anyway. whether or not you do business with them agin is up to you but i would keep that to yourself. good luck.

Yo Mama
June 29, 2010, 10:20 PM
Sorry, but I don't see a problem. Yeah clerk was lowballing you, but anyone can do that. They run a business, and if they can get an idiot to take the lower number of dollars than they win out.

As to safety, the only folks I trust anymore are my direct family. It's sad, but I've seen to many mistakes out in public, and get a bit tired of being a target.

Good thing you knew the value of the gun, and sorry you had to go through this...hoping better times are ahead for you.

Zack
June 29, 2010, 10:25 PM
Sorry, but I don't see a problem.

He pointed a gun at the customer, it could have been loaded............

Corporal K
June 29, 2010, 11:48 PM
I worked at a nice pawn shop for a year back in the day. One time a lady came in with a .25 Lorcin or Raven or other POS. She had taken the mag out, but still had one in the pipe. She handed it to an incompetent employee (actually the owner's father who liked to hang out there) and when he went to clear it, he pulled the trigger and sent a .25 round through the thigh of another employee.
He was ok in the long run, but it never should have happened.

Zack
June 30, 2010, 12:03 AM
Thanks for sharing this Corporal K. This is a good lesson.

Texsun
June 30, 2010, 01:55 AM
What kind of scholars did you expect to deal with getting a loan at a pawn shop?....Save up some working capitol or get a second job till you can.

Zoidberg523
June 30, 2010, 04:16 AM
Save up some working capitol or get a second job till you can.

Not good enough when you need cash right away. Pretty sure that, had these options been available/sufficient, the OP would not have chosen to place his pistol up for pawn. :)

redbullitt
June 30, 2010, 04:34 AM
Gotta be ready for BS in pawn shops. I feel ya though. Gotta do what you gotta do; I would have wrestled him a little more for the case though lol.

Gouranga
June 30, 2010, 08:07 AM
lol. Guy sounds like a bright one. You can tell he will end up shot or shooting someone at work. I mean how long do you figure he has till someone brings in their "unloaded" gun with a full clip and one in the chamber? I have been sadly surprised at the lack of a safety mentality in some folks with firearms. Especially thinking it is partially a safety mindset that has us carrying to begin with.

heeler
June 30, 2010, 08:32 AM
I dunno...I have cruised about in many a pawn shop looking for firearm deals and have come across some real wingnuts that have brought their firearms inside the place to pawn.
One guy came in with an old Savage 110 in a soft case and when he open the bolt for the pawn clerk a live .270 round came flying out to the floor.
That clerk was really pissed about that.
So I dont really approve of the clerk snatching the case out of your hand I could see where he might be coming from.
That is MOST reasonable people, but this clerk was an obvious clod of high dimensions.
Glad you at least got your $350.00.

Yo Mama
June 30, 2010, 08:46 AM
He pointed a gun at the customer, it could have been loaded............


Which would have only been due to OP bringing in a loaded gun for inspection.

GRAYRID3R
June 30, 2010, 08:53 AM
The money wasn't as big a deal as the way he handled the gun. I guess I put too much emphasis on the $ part of the post. Primarily it was to emphasize the stupidity of someone working with little or no knowledge of proper gun handling. Being swept with your own.44 mag is a weird feeling. If there was another customer next to me and it was HIS gun I was looking down the barrel of, I would not have stayed in that shop any longer than it took my brain to issue the "get outta here" command.

Sav .250
June 30, 2010, 09:13 AM
Not all humans are created....equally!

ATBackPackin
June 30, 2010, 09:33 AM
When you go to repay the loan, put in a sealed envelope and tell him that it is all there so no need to count it. See how fast he rips that envelope open to "check" and make sure, yet cannot do that with a gun to possibly safe someones life or his own. It amazes me how often I get swept at gun shops.

Shawn

Corporal K
June 30, 2010, 10:00 AM
I have cruised about in many a pawn shop looking for firearm deals and have come across some real wingnuts that have brought their firearms inside the place to pawn.

It happened all the time at the one I worked in. We would even stop people at the door and ask them if it was unloaded. Then one of us would rack a slide and eject a live round.

Pawn shops are like any other type of business. Some are very good, some are ok, and some are awful. But they're in business to make money from 2nd-hand goods, not to pay or sell retail.

heron
June 30, 2010, 10:01 AM
Sounds like the clerk got all his firearms knowledge from TV and movies, but there's a lot of people like that.

Maybe you could do them a favor -- print up a large poster of the four gun safety rules and hand it over to them when you go to pay off the loan.

And as for a source of occasional quick cash, maybe you could find a bank that could set you up with a credit card for your business. You don't seem to need too much cash too often, so that might work for you. Better than the pawn shops if you can manage that.

Ala Dan
June 30, 2010, 10:20 AM
Sounds kind'a like a "Harry Potter" type salesperson~? BTW, I have
seen customers that stereotype this kind'a conduct as well~! :scrutiny: ;)

minutemen1776
June 30, 2010, 10:36 AM
Sorry, but I don't see a problem. Yeah clerk was lowballing you, but anyone can do that. They run a business, and if they can get an idiot to take the lower number of dollars than they win out.

Your point is valid, but you omit the other side of the coin. Trying to get the best price on the deal is a key to running a successful business, but so is retaining good customers. If you make idiot offers, you'll profit from the real idiots, but you'll also treat others like idiots in the process. I have very recently dealt with pawn shops that offered only pennies on the dollar for an item I was trying to trade. I knew what my gun was worth, and I expected to take considerably less than that if I dealt with a gun shop. However, what was offered was insultingly low, and their staunch refusal to negotiate from their extreme lowball bottom line only made it worse. Of course, they weren't obliged to deal with me, but the same holds true for me, too. In the end, I walked from both places, and I don't intend to return. I wonder how much future profit they lost from me (and others like me) because of their lowballing. Is the net result it worth treating all their customers like idiots? I don't know. Maybe they prefer an idiot client base.

NavyLCDR
June 30, 2010, 10:39 AM
Sounds like Chumly got transferred from Vegas....

You mean this Chumly?

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%20Pics/Misc/Tennesse%20Tuxedo/Chumley_300.gif

Actually, I know who you are really talking about and Chumly and I have at least one thing in common. I will shoot just about anything, many times with the hope it isn't going to blow up, and the older the firearm the more I like it!

I still remember the first 8mm Lebel round I hand loaded, using experimental data that I extrapolated from the little bit of data out there, and hoped I got it right! Last time I checked I still have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs...

lions
June 30, 2010, 11:48 AM
He pointed a gun at the customer, it could have been loaded............
Which would have only been due to OP bringing in a loaded gun for inspection.

Which was neither the case nor the point, the point is that the clerk had no idea as to whether or not the gun was loaded. If the OP had brought in a loaded gun and the clerk picked it up and shot someone who would you hold responsible?

The circumstances that led up to the clerk handling that gun should have no bearing on how it is handled.

dougw47
June 30, 2010, 11:50 AM
In 2002...I moved from Dallas/FTW out in the beautiful, clean and open spaces of East Texas. I moved into the poorest county, statistically, in the entire state. There are only three incorporated cities in the county, with a total of 2,500 residents combined.

For a couple of years...the only jobs I could find were part-time and low paid. I started out driving a school bus...$100 per week, then fought and won a clerk job at the local drive-in grocery...$5.00 an hr. Things are tough here, as you can see...I was one of the lucky ones. Some people drive a 100 miles a day to get better paying jobs, but transportation breakdowns cripple many of those.

Having set the stage with that, I was a regular visitor at the local pawn shop, buying occasionally...pawning frequently...and fixing and cleaning guns for them. The offered me a job, finally, for the princely salary of $7.50 hr. A NY chain came in to East Texas and bought out 11 individual pawn shops, firing some old employees and bringing nubies...some of which had never touched a gun. The store used me as a trainer, and we were the biggest source of guns in a twenty mile radius.

I think in that time, I have seen all the horror stories I have seen posted, and more. LOL A Yankee District Manager came, did not like me, and I had to go. I miss it, but I found a better job.

Now that I am crippled...and semi-retired, I visit several times a week to talk with the gang. They have a habit of saving "Treasures" for me to look and...and I still help them with there problems/cleaning/repairing. Last year the store mgr and asst mgr needed to go to an ATF meeting, their dist. mgr (new guy) paid me to babysit the store while they were gone. It was fun.

Thanks to me, they got resource books for the store, Gun Traders, Cartridges of the World, Bluebook...etc. Which helps, and when the went on line...I directed them to Gun Brokers and others. Now when they get in a Marlin or Winchester lever-action...they look up and put the year of mfg on the price tag. It helps the salespeople/clerks know a little more...and that is a good thing. One lady has been there three years now, always meets me a has questions...an it is rewarding to see how she has grown.

The asst mgr likes to try and test me, he brought out fifteen cartridges the other day and challenged me to identify them without touching. I missed one, called a 10mm a .40, but they gave me that one. LOL

Not every gun store employee, pawn shop employee...knows everything about gun or ammo. Some I correct gently when they are with buyers, some I wait until after the customer leaves...but in 4 stores around here, 80% know their stuff. But, like the guy last week that told a cust. that he could fire a 7mm08 in a 7 mag rifle...I feel obliged to step in.

We have to be smarter and not take as carved in stone what they say.
Just my 2 cents.

Officers'Wife
June 30, 2010, 11:59 AM
Recycling is your friend. My uncle used to save all his discarded wire and electronic components and melt down the copper in a home foundry furnace. You would be amazed how much copper is accumulated and how much jewelers and hobbyists will pay for bar copper.

Components- especially IC's (chips) contain gold as well. But unless you enjoy creative metallurgy it's not worth the trouble to extract.

DinosaurJones
June 30, 2010, 12:29 PM
It's impossible to actually buy any guns from some of the pawn shops around here... They just let them sit in the case until some moron wants to pay 50% more than you could buy the same gun new. I tried to pick up a used S&W Sigma from them once... they wouldn't budge off of $600 (this is the time where you could get them brand new for $300) I used to frequent these shops & have picked up some deals on occasion, but the older I get the less I have the patience to fool with them.

Yo Mama
June 30, 2010, 06:17 PM
Which was neither the case nor the point, the point is that the clerk had no idea as to whether or not the gun was loaded. If the OP had brought in a loaded gun and the clerk picked it up and shot someone who would you hold responsible?


This should not be any surprise. It's not just clerks in pawnshops, I've had gunsmiths cover me before! Much more uncomfortable when it was someone else's gun also, as mine I knew was unloaded but was not the one he pointed at me.

Both would be responsible in my book, the owner if it was loaded, and the clerk if not checked. Both equally negligent if this happened.

Education on firearms has dramatically decreased in our society missing links between family and friends. It used to be society that taught gun safety, but now that's missing. So that's why I said it does not surprise me that this happened at all.

shiftyer1
June 30, 2010, 06:59 PM
I work in a pawnshop and I totally agree with Yo Mama and his statement regarding gun safety in our society. I will say that if you came into my store and I was working I WILL take control of your weapon as soon as you get to the counter, then I will clear the weapon and then inspect it. At no time will I point it at you, me or anyone else during or after this process. In ten years of working this job i've seen several empty guns with loaded chambers. I do try to educate other employees in gun safety but it doesn't always sink in.

rmfnla
June 30, 2010, 07:17 PM
I've never pawned anything but I do remember when you could find decent deals at pawn shops.

I agree with everyone who has posted about how insane their prices are these days.

The last four or five times I've looked at guns I've walked out laughing. :rolleyes:

Double Naught Spy
June 30, 2010, 09:03 PM
Your point is valid, but you omit the other side of the coin. Trying to get the best price on the deal is a key to running a successful business, but so is retaining good customers.

No indication the OP was a good customer.

If you make idiot offers, you'll profit from the real idiots, but you'll also treat others like idiots in the process.
$250 wasn't an idiot offer and what you consider to be an idiot offer is often all the shop is willing to pay for a variety of reasons. FMV or FM Pawn Value doesn't carry much weight if the pawn shop doesn't necessarily do a lot of business in a given area (such as guns) or if they are (or are likely about to be from pulls) covered up with a type, brand, or model.

I have very recently dealt with pawn shops that offered only pennies on the dollar for an item I was trying to trade. I knew what my gun was worth, and I expected to take considerably less than that if I dealt with a gun shop. However, what was offered was insultingly low, and their staunch refusal to negotiate from their extreme lowball bottom line only made it worse.

If you are going to be insulted, then you are dealing on an emotional level and not a business level and pawn shops aren't for the faint of heart.

I agree with everyone who has posted about how insane their prices are these days.

The last four or five times I've looked at guns I've walked out laughing.

And yet pawn shops continue to sell a lot of guns. Interesting.

Crazy Carl
June 30, 2010, 11:34 PM
Clerk would've been nursing a broken arm for that stunt. That behavior is simply inexcusable.

killchain
July 1, 2010, 02:28 AM
No different from 99% of the dealers at our big gunshows here in Phoenix. Everything that isn't there's, is junk (in their eyes). It's comical to see them making offers on identical items that they have displayed. Example, I saw one guy offering some kid $50 for a like new stainless 10-22. Said "you can't get hardly get $100 for'em", meanwhile, he's selling POS blued beaters 10-22 for $175???

These guys prey on desperation.

Yeah. One of those guys took a shotgun from me for $300 cheaper than it was worth because I desperately needed truck tires.

I knew he was stiffing me. But I really needed the tires. :(

makarovnik
July 1, 2010, 02:47 AM
Grabbing my gun from me is a good way to get shot. Especially since I usually carry two.

I remember one time a friend came up behind me while I was distracted and put his hand on my hip, right where my gun was. I spun around quickly and yanked that puppy out. I was just starting to pull the gun when I realized he was just sneaking up behind me to tickle me.

He never did it again. Man I hate that. Someone could have been really hurt but it was a reaction and I couldn't stop my myself. Should I try to slow my reaction time down in the future?

HunterBear71
July 1, 2010, 02:48 AM
Pawn shops are in the desperation business. I once visited a local shop hoping to find some interesting used guns. After examining their merchandise and prices, I didn't know if I should laugh or be insulted. I'm guessing their customers are not the most knowledgable folks when it comes to gun prices.

kmcintosh78
July 1, 2010, 10:27 AM
I think I would have b slapped the guy, taken my unopened case back and walked out.

Double Naught Spy
July 1, 2010, 01:44 PM
Yeah. One of those guys took a shotgun from me for $300 cheaper than it was worth because I desperately needed truck tires.

I knew he was stiffing me. But I really needed the tires.

He didn't still you. To be stiffed means not to be paid. You didn't get FMV for your gun, but then again, you were selling to a retailer. What do you expect. If he gives you full value, then how do you expect him to be able to sell the gun? You would have gotten better money selling to an individual, but who wasn't going to resell the gun, but you didn't have time to bother finding a buyer who would pay you more. From a strictly theoretical sense and applied here in reality, the value of an item is what the market will bear for it at any given time, place, situation. At that moment, the value of your gun was $300 less than the noted FMV elsewhere as you weren't elsewhere.

Pawn shops are in the desperation business.
Yeah, like plumbers, AC repair folks, mechanics, food stores, and funeral homes. Crazy thing, all those folks want to be paid for their goods and services especially when I need them RIGHT NOW!

After examining their merchandise and prices, I didn't know if I should laugh or be insulted.
Wow, another person being insulted. Sounds like some of y'all may need CPR on our forearms if you ever have a heart attack. If you don't like something, don't buy it. To be insulted by somebody else's price offer on a product goes beyond wearing your heart out on your sleeve. Are you insulted to see some of the prices on Gunbroker?

I would be willing to bet that there are a lot of folks here who walk into pawn shops, find something they want, and their idea of negotiation is to ask, "What is the bottom dollar you will take for this?" That tells the pawnbroker two things. First, it says that you likely aren't a serious purchaser. Second, it shows you are too lazy to actually come up with an offer yourself given that there is already a price on the product, you have seen it, and you automatically expect to be given the bottom dollar price just for the asking...when in reality, you are going to then counter with something even lower than what the shopkeeper said was his bottom dollar.

Pawn shops deal with this sort of behavior every day. So when you say,
I'm guessing their customers are not the most knowledgable folks when it comes to gun prices.
Many are not, but those who know how to negotiate on a serious level (money talks and bull ____ walks) come away with some very good deals.

DinosaurJones
July 1, 2010, 03:56 PM
I have the sneaking suspicion DNSpy is a pawn broker... :-)


Quote:
Pawn shops are in the desperation business.
Yeah, like plumbers, AC repair folks, mechanics, food stores, and funeral homes. Crazy thing, all those folks want to be paid for their goods and services especially when I need them RIGHT NOW!

Pawn shops are businesses like any other... no one forces you in the door, nor are you forced to sell your stuff. They aren't "ripping you off" for not giving you what an item retails for, that's how it works.

BUT

(at least in my experience) pawn shops tend to have loose ethics when it comes to buying and selling merch... most of time it's buyer beware... its not walmart... they arent going to tell you if you are overpaying, or how far below value you're selling something... i've had pawn brokers tell me that a lot of merchandise comes from drug addicts... "not their problem"... and i agree... it's not their problem... but it is exploitative.

JoeSlomo
July 1, 2010, 04:02 PM
Well then you shouldn't have let him snatch it from your hands!

There are times when you need to assert yourself.

This was one of them.

Learn from the experience and move on imo...

Rshooter
July 1, 2010, 04:10 PM
I gotta agree with Dinosaur. Most pawn shops around here ask full retail for used guns.

killchain
July 1, 2010, 04:23 PM
He didn't still you. To be stiffed means not to be paid. You didn't get FMV for your gun, but then again, you were selling to a retailer. What do you expect. If he gives you full value, then how do you expect him to be able to sell the gun? You would have gotten better money selling to an individual, but who wasn't going to resell the gun, but you didn't have time to bother finding a buyer who would pay you more. From a strictly theoretical sense and applied here in reality, the value of an item is what the market will bear for it at any given time, place, situation. At that moment, the value of your gun was $300 less than the noted FMV elsewhere as you weren't elsewhere.

I'm sorry Sir, I didn't mean to use the wrong terminology and offend you.

Some jackal in a shirt boned me out of the price of my shotgun simply because I was desperate.

It was completely my fault for being desperate. I am sorry.

lions
July 1, 2010, 04:48 PM
Some jackal in a shirt boned me out of the price of my shotgun simply because I was desperate.

I can't say I completely disagree with you, I just disagree more than I agree in this case. The reason for that is because you agreed to the deal, if someone knowingly consents to a bad deal then they weren't taken advantage of.

My only problem with pawn shops is when they take advantage of someone who doesn't know the exact value of what they are selling. I would prefer that those people take the time to research their guns to know FMV and understand that pawn shops need to turn a profit just like any other business, but I don't believe that you need to be a firearms expert to get a fair shake when you make a deal.

That would be a case of "just because you can, doesn't mean you should." IMO and YMMV

smhbbag1
July 1, 2010, 04:49 PM
I'm sorry Sir, I didn't mean to use the wrong terminology and offend you.

Some jackal in a shirt boned me out of the price of my shotgun simply because I was desperate.

It was completely my fault for being desperate. I am sorry.

Before the internet, I can easily see desperation leading to using a pawn shop. But now, there is just too much out there to resort to such things.

You can post a gun in the classifieds section of 10 websites, connecting you to tens of thousands of serious gun owners, and many in your local area, in less than the time it takes to drive to the pawn shop.

And with a discounted price, you can get it sold and have cash in hand within a few days, at most.

And that discounted price will be FAR more than any pawn shop will give you.

How many situations are there when you need cash and didn't even have a few days warning of your need for it? Very, very few.

If you don't have at least a few thousand in emergency savings, sell stuff to get that much when you are not desperate. You'll get better prices, and have less stress.

Hudge
July 1, 2010, 05:27 PM
Like others have said, no real deals at pawn shops around my house. Heck, I have seen many want more than retail on a used one than the new ones cost. I have tried haggling with a few, but to no avail.

351 WINCHESTER
July 1, 2010, 05:27 PM
My neighbor manages a big pawn show. He often brags of the insane deals he makes. This girl walked in with 6 gold coins that were worth $6K. He asked the girl "so how much are you looking to get". She said $600. and he sealed the deal. When he told me I told him that he ripped her off big time and he just blew it off. I don't see how people like that can sleep. It ain't right to rip people off.

rmfnla
July 1, 2010, 05:31 PM
And yet pawn shops continue to sell a lot of guns. Interesting.


Do they really?

I've gone into shops that have had the same guns on the shelf for over a year.

As someone else mentioned, perhaps they are content to wait for a sucker to pay their inflated prices no matter how long it takes, but the guns are not exactly flying out the door.

Erik M
July 2, 2010, 03:25 AM
most pawn shops around here have some crazies working for them. I had a thread a few moths back detailing how a clerk told me I was going to be forced to pay for damaging the action of a gun because I cycled the slide to clear the chamber. I guess that those kimber's have a really fragile pot metal construction or something.

GRAYRID3R
July 2, 2010, 01:38 PM
OK I guess a full explanation will hopefully let everybody understand this situation, I was contracted to rewire a job that was bungled by the company before me. After getting 3 days into the job, the owner wanted to add some more to our original scope. This required a lift, the lift cost $288.00 for a week. I already had ALL my available funds sunk into the job for materials and labor. I informed the owner of the additional expense, he agreed. My gun collection is worth over $27,000.00 dollars and I don't want to sell any guns. Since I needed the lift immediately I didn't have time to try to sell anything...and,I DIDN'T WANT TO SELL ANY OF MY GUNS!. I've done business with this pawn shop before during emergencies, so I went there again, I knew how much I would get for the gun due to past experience with the owner. I was on my way over to where the owner was sitting, but he was on the phone. I set the box on the counter so the owner would see it. when the idiot clerk appeared. The rest is in the original post. I got my $350.00 and have to pay back $470.00 my net profit on the job for 1 weeks work is over $2000.00. I said before the money wasn't that big of a deal(but $250.00 was an insult) and the clerk was a moron. I still don't understand the bic pen down the barely routine, but when I redeem the gun I will most definitely talk to the owner about his clerk's ignorance of safe gun handling rules.

eatont9999
July 2, 2010, 01:55 PM
I would stay away from that store in the future.
When in a store, I don't expect everyone in a store to have perfect gun safety etiquette but I do expect the first thing they do with a gun is to check if it is loaded. I also do not enjoy having a gun pointed at me. I do not mind as much, being sweeped, if the action is open.

rmfnla
July 2, 2010, 05:12 PM
most pawn shops around here have some crazies working for them. I had a thread a few moths back detailing how a clerk told me I was going to be forced to pay for damaging the action of a gun because I cycled the slide to clear the chamber. I guess that those kimber's have a really fragile pot metal construction or something.
Probably the first time the genius had ever seen anyone work a pistol action!

lions
July 2, 2010, 05:46 PM
I still don't understand the bic pen down the barely routine...

My guess is that it was a feeble attempt to check the timing.

rmfnla
July 2, 2010, 05:51 PM
Maybe that's how he checks to see if its loaded

If the pen doesn't go all the way down there's a round in the chamber under the barrel and he's saved himself all that trouble of opening the cylinder!

AK103K
July 2, 2010, 06:03 PM
Were there any ink stains with bullet holes in them on the walls?

Maybe thats the test, and confirmation. :)

Mr.Davis
July 2, 2010, 07:42 PM
Grabbing my gun from me is a good way to get shot. Especially since I usually carry two.
If your first instinct is to shoot when a rude clerk pulls a cased, empty gun out of your hand, then you need to put the guns away temporarily and get some counseling.

A gun isn't the solution for every problem. Lead poisoning is a bit of an extraordinary treatment for rudeness.

Bad Penny 03
July 2, 2010, 09:10 PM
Anybody sweeps me I grab the weapon from them and read them the riot act.
That's IF I like them or have business with them.
Loan pending or not, that's friggin insane.

walksbyhimself
July 2, 2010, 10:37 PM
I still don't understand the bic pen down the barely routine...

I think this would be attributing too much intelligence to the clerk in question, but he may have understood that if the cylinder cannot rotate, it can't fire. Unlikely though, and it's a stupid way to do it when you can just open the cylinder.

welldoya
July 3, 2010, 01:04 PM
You had to pay $120 interest on $350 ? For how long ? That's 34% interest if it were for a year which I'm sure it wasn't that long. If for a month, that's over 400%annually. Good Lord, I thought most states had limited the interest to around 240%.
I watch the show Pawn Stars and it amazes me how low people will accept knowing what something is worth. I mean, the "expert" just told them their item was worth $12,000 so why accept $3,000 ? Go put it on-line and get $8,000 for it. I've got a feeling that , being in Las Vegas, most of those guys immediately run to the casinos after getting paid.

Double Naught Spy
July 3, 2010, 02:22 PM
You had to pay $120 interest on $350 ? For how long ? That's 34% interest if it were for a year which I'm sure it wasn't that long. If for a month, that's over 400%annually. Good Lord, I thought most states had limited the interest to around 240%.
Okay, say you got a $50 loan for 240% annual interest. The loan in Texas is for 1 month and then the broker has to hold the item for an additional sixty days before it can become inventory. Picking up the item anytime in the first month is an automatic $10 of interest, so $60. For the next 60 days, the interest is prorated by the day. So if a customer waited until the very end of the 1 month and 60 days, he would pay $30 total interest on a $50 loan.

I watch the show Pawn Stars and it amazes me how low people will accept knowing what something is worth. I mean, the "expert" just told them their item was worth $12,000 so why accept $3,000 ? Go put it on-line and get $8,000 for it. I've got a feeling that , being in Las Vegas, most of those guys immediately run to the casinos after getting paid.

People are lazy, short on time, or otherwise can't be bothered for a variety of reasons. So they sell items to retailers who have to turn them for a profit and so who can't pay anywhere near the full amount.

Most of the experts give auction prices. Auction prices are often higher than FMV and they are only estimates at best. A single expert appraisal may be high, low, or spot on and the expert ability to comprehend the value of an item stems directly from his knowledge of the item and how much it has gone for recently.

Notice that none of the experts on Pawn Stars provide a signed copy of authentificiation.

Deltaboy
July 3, 2010, 04:03 PM
I stopped shopping all but 1 pawn shop down in my parts due to this insane prices and uneducated employees. I have been buying sockets and pocket knifes and that is about it. My Gunshop keeps a fresh supply of used guns and they are price according to the bluebook.

Steve Marshall
July 4, 2010, 09:07 AM
It may be just me, but. You NET $2000 in one week. Good business. Yet you have to finance the same business at a pawn shop? Bad business.

SoberSunday01
July 4, 2010, 03:34 PM
I did not grow up around firearms, and in fact never saw one other than in an officer's holster until last October. Of course I had never held one. I found out one of my brother's friends was into them so I had him teach me a little. I also talked to guys at work and joined TFL. I say that to say this, there will be people whos job necessitates that they handle firearms twice as often as I do, and some of them will take less than half of the precaution that I did.

BTW good job posts #60-62, I got a good laugh. :)

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