HPR/Scottsdale Ammo


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hammerklavier
June 30, 2010, 07:15 PM
I received the box of ammo I won from HPR today. It arrived within the 4-6 weeks the company said it would, but there was some miscommunication as the original email said it would come faster. It arrived in a plain brown box marked cartridges small arms and Made in the USA on the side.

The box looks nice enough although a bit large because because it's a paper box inside and out. I don't like these because they are flimsy, and indeed the partition inside had collapsed, leaving the cartridges at differing heights.

The ammo does look clean and well put together though. No sealant on the primers and a mixed lot of Winchester, Remington and Federal factory processed brass which has been crimped. Primers appear to be seated to the same depth and a visual inspection of about a dozen shells showed no obvious anomalies.

The bullets are 180 grain (.40 s&w) total metal jacket, which is flat tipped.


"All traceable components including the packaging were made in the United States and every cartridge in this box was assembled, inspected and packaged by US Citizens."

Scottsdale/HPR offers .45, 9mm, .40 and .223 and is adding .380 next.

They will also be producing hollow points and match ammo. From the HPR website:

"Our new Pro shooting team is underway. This IPSC team will be comprised of more than 100 professionals around the nation, with a core group of elite HPR shooters. These professionals are literally some of the most discerning shooters, and they are proud to not only shoot HPR, but will be representing HPR in tournaments around the world. HPR has on board an IPSC WORLD Champion and USPSA National Champion - Matt McLearn. We are also sponsoring an eleven year old local Payson Arizona rifle shooter phenom; he is one of the youngest ever to qualify for Camp Perry."

You'll have to wait a long time for a range report from me, as I got this box in anticipation of hopefully purchasing a .40 cal pistol sometime in August! But I will post one when I finally get around to it :)

http://www.scottsdaleammo.com/
http://www.hprammo.com/index.html

I'll attach a few photos...

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hammerklavier
June 30, 2010, 07:17 PM
And thanks to mchaley for bringing my attention to gun giveaways like this one.

hammerklavier
June 30, 2010, 07:48 PM
The box I got retails for $17.99 and FedEx shipping for the one box would have been $11.04.


I also noticed this from the website:

"Our new ammunition factory uses the latest equipment and technology to meet SAMMI and MIL Specs. All production is carefully and directly handled by highly trained ammunition technicians and quality control inspectors lead by our Engineering staff. We have spent the necessary time and capital to design and construct a manufacturing plant which includes a state of the art test tab as per SAMMI specifications which includes some of the finest testing equipment such as Oehler Research, Bill Weisman and Company, and PCB Piezotronics."

Oleg Volk
July 2, 2010, 02:50 AM
I've been using their ammo as props recently :-)

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/37373-2/ballester-molina_HPR45_8156.jpg

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/37248-2/feed_well_7448.jpg

hammerklavier
July 2, 2010, 09:47 AM
cool, nice photos

RevolvingGarbage
July 2, 2010, 12:12 PM
Took a triple-take for me to realize that was a star and not a 1911 :)

Oleg Volk
July 2, 2010, 02:29 PM
Not a Star, a Ballister-Molina.

RevolvingGarbage
July 2, 2010, 03:04 PM
Not a Star, a Ballister-Molina.

That too :o

hammerklavier
July 2, 2010, 06:22 PM
Isn't that a Kel-tec .380? You must be good friends with HPR since they just released .380 for sale this weekend.

I got this in an email this morning:

380 Auto ALERT!

HPR's newest caliber is Now Available! This is new brass with either JHP or TMJ. Priced to move!

380 Auto 100gr TMJ - $18.99/box

380 Auto 95gr JHP - $23.99/box



I might order some if I like the ballistics, they haven't published those yet.

Oleg Volk
July 2, 2010, 06:24 PM
I got that ammo about three weeks ago, pre-production batch. Will use it to test the practicality of long-range shooting with laser-equipped P3AT. Their 45ACP ball will be used for testing BAZ45 carbine when in arrives in a couple of weeks.

GlockStar
July 3, 2010, 04:41 PM
Hammer, looks like there are some ballistics info on the 380 if you click on the technical specs tab. Looks pretty similar to Buffalo Bore at less than half the price!

Dokkalfar
July 4, 2010, 02:43 PM
Yea, I saw the ammo giveaway but didn't win :(

They do have a pretty nice-looking box though. I like their design

hammerklavier
July 5, 2010, 05:38 PM
Hammer, looks like there are some ballistics info on the 380 if you click on the technical specs tab. Looks pretty similar to Buffalo Bore at less than half the price!

I don't see it. You weren't looking at the 9mm specs, were you?

NMGonzo
July 5, 2010, 06:55 PM
Not a Star, a Ballister-Molina.
Vertical grooves!

GlockStar
July 10, 2010, 03:29 PM
Hammer,

Just under the main picture there is a Tab for Description & Technical Specs

Here is what the Tech Specs say

Caliber: 380 Auto or .380 ACP
Bullet Weight: 100 Grain
Bullet Type: Total Metal Jacket
Casing: Brass
Muzzle Velocity: 1033 f/s
Velocity at 50yds: 997 f/s
Muzzle Energy: 237 ft/lbs
Energy at 50yds: 221 ft/lbs


Caliber: 380 Auto or .380 ACP
Bullet Weight: 95 Grain
Bullet Type: Jacketed Hollow Point
Casing: Brass
Muzzle Velocity: 1035 f/s
Velocity at 50yds: 999 f/s
Muzzle Energy: 226 ft/lbs
Energy at 50yds: 210 ft/lbs

mesinge2
July 10, 2010, 04:50 PM
Has anyone tried this ammo yet. I am curious as to hear reliability info about this ammo before I make large purchases of it.

GlockStar
July 10, 2010, 06:57 PM
Has anyone tried this ammo yet. I am curious as to hear reliability info about this ammo before I make large purchases of it.
mesinge2,

I have some 223, 45, and 380 on the way from last week. Will report back once I have time to fire it. I did see this review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riQYX_zcetQ

mesinge2
July 10, 2010, 07:24 PM
GlockStar,

Thanks for the video and I anxiously await your review

GreySmoke2
July 10, 2010, 09:07 PM
I am still confused...This is still reloaded ammo right? Why are they any different than USA Ammo or Geioria Arms or BVAC? They just seem to be higher priced.

GlockStar
July 10, 2010, 11:24 PM
Greysmoke,

They offer both new and reman.

Different than some of the other guys? Based on my limited knowledge they are better than GA and BVAC - has to do with components(cleaner powder, etc), machines, hand inspection, etc. A better comparison would be Black Hills but I'm looking forward to finding out myself.

hammerklavier
July 11, 2010, 12:29 AM
That .380 does look pretty hot, and is much cheaper than BB.

mesinge2
September 11, 2010, 12:18 PM
I know this is an older thread, but I was curious as to the reliability of this ammo in auto-loaders.
Specifically 45 ACP and 9mm. But any review of any caliber will be appreciated.

GlockStar
September 26, 2010, 07:26 PM
After weeks and weeks of TOO much work and not enough play I'm finally back to report. Went out with friends this weekend. (Sorry I'm not very technical but here is a basic report)

We blew through a ton of it. We used various calibers in the following:

Glock 19
XD 9mm
Glock 27
Kimber Tactical Pro II
Ruger LCP
Taurus TCP (which had just gotten back from Taurus on ejection fix)
Rock River AR15

Very pleased with HPR. Not a single malfunction, all had more pop than normal and accuracy seemed beyond what I'm used too. Or maybe I just got better with my time off :)

Using the 223, I would say it's better than most brands like PMC, Federal, etc. All of us enjoyed running it as it feed like a champ. Very smooth brass.

Def a major upgrade in the cleanliness category as well -- I know we all have opinions on this but for me it goes above just clean time, there is a performance factor as you run a LOT through your pieces. I will run wolf in my AK, but that's it.

All in all, I'm sold and some of this was reman stuff too. Just noticed today in my email that they are now offering new stuff in all calibers. With the coupon code of 10SEPT it's another 10 bucks off if you buy 100 bux plus sale prices. I'm chasing down one more buddy and we're going in for a buy.

I love Guns. Buy more Glocks. I'm looking at the G20 10mm now.

- Take a non-gun owning friend shooting next time. Experience = More Gun Converts!

mesinge2
September 26, 2010, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the report GlockStar .

I just bought 100rds of 45 ACP TMJ. I report back after I test it on Wednesday.

hammerklavier
November 26, 2010, 05:12 PM
I finally go my .40, a S&W M&P 40c, so at last I was able to test out that box of HPR. There were a few problems, which may or may not have been the fault of the ammo, I'll detail that here.

I used Federal 180 gr, flat nosed, FMJ, as a comparison.

The HPR seemed to have as much power, judging from the recoil and report, which was consistant. Every round went bang and ejected fine, although HPR shells bounced off the top of my head a few times which didn't happen with the others (may have hit the wall of the shooting stall first, don't know).

Now on to the possible problems.

1) The first round fired locked the slide back. I checked the weapon, removed the magazine and found that the next round was forward and down from where it should be, could have been a magazine problem. This didn't happen again.

2) The accuracy seemed to be less than that of the federal. See target #1, Federal, which I fired first, and then #3, HPR fired from the same distance. This could have been the shooter, or the ammo?

Federal
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131171&stc=1&d=1290806016

HPR
http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131172&stc=1&d=1290806016


3) The HPR ripped serveral large holes in the target, the Federal did not. I asked the range owner if he thought it was keyholing, he didn't think so. Here are some photos so you can decide (SEE NEXT POST).

In closing, it seems to be decent ammo, but I'd want to fire a few more boxes before making up my mind as to whether the above are real problems or not.

hammerklavier
November 26, 2010, 05:17 PM
Photos of the holes made by HPR (about 4-6 were like this)

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131173&stc=1&d=1290806179

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131174&stc=1&d=1290806179

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=131175&stc=1&d=1290806179

Oleg Volk
November 26, 2010, 05:46 PM
I shot 50 rounds of their 223 ball last weekend through a Crusader Weaponry light 16" carbine. About 2MOA at 50 and 100 yards when used with a red dot. 100% functioning.

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