What our men thought of hillary's visit....


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Drjones
December 4, 2003, 08:30 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/2/11616.shtml


Bagram GI: Troops Waited While Hillary Chowed Down

U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton forced U.S. troops stationed at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan to wait for their Thanksgiving dinner last Thursday while she and her entourage arrived late, then cut in line and were served first.

A soldier who witnessed the scene tells NewsMax:

"Thanksgiving Dinner started at 3 p.m. that day, so the line was forming around 2:30 p.m. She didn't show up until around 3:30 p.m.

"Once she got there," our source maintains, "Clinton and her entourage bumped everyone in line, forcing them to wait almost an extra hour."

The brass at Bagram apparently had a hard time rounding up New Yorkers who wanted to have dinner with Clinton, D-N.Y. Only six GIs responded to an e-mail sent out last week that stated, "Looking for military members from New York and Rhode Island interested in meeting their Senator/Congressman."

People magazine was on hand to cover the event and wanted to interview the troops for reaction to Clinton's visit.

"But they were getting declined left and right," our source said. "People were actually telling the reporters, 'You don't want to print what I think about her and her visit.'"

After Clinton and her entourage departed, the only topics GIs wanted to talk about were "how great the food was and how fantastic they thought George Bush's visit to Iraq was."

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7.62FullMetalJacket
December 4, 2003, 08:38 PM
"Once she got there," our source maintains, "Clinton and her entourage bumped everyone in line, forcing them to wait almost an extra hour."

That will pi$$ off any troop :cuss:

"People were actually telling the reporters, 'You don't want to print what I think about her and her visit.'"

:uhoh:

After Clinton and her entourage departed, the only topics GIs wanted to talk about were "how great the food was and how fantastic they thought George Bush's visit to Iraq was."

A true CIC.

BamBam
December 4, 2003, 08:40 PM
"Clinton and her entourage bumped everyone in line, forcing them to wait almost an extra hour."
The arrogance is sickening!!!!

Orthonym
December 4, 2003, 08:42 PM
I'm not surprised, and I'm (almost) ashamed to use up some of Oleg's precious bandwidth to bump this post, but, no I'm not! I haven't seen this particular report anywhere but here, so Bump! Bump! Bump!

BigG
December 4, 2003, 08:46 PM
Guess they "sent her a message." :D

10-Ring
December 4, 2003, 09:09 PM
She's even a poor imitation of her PR chasing, philandering hubby :cuss: The best thing about her trip was that everyone over there recognized it for what it was! :scrutiny: :cuss:

Nightfall
December 4, 2003, 09:30 PM
Bush isn't perfect, but Clinton bumping troops to get food first, and Bush serving the troops food instead pretty much defines the difference in the two.

Cactus
December 4, 2003, 10:39 PM
It would be nice to see some further verification of this, but if she did :barf:

President goes over to Baghdad and raises the moral and Hillary goes to Afghanistan and lowers it. Shame on her!

BB93YJ
December 4, 2003, 11:12 PM
Yup, one considers himself, and acts like, a servant.

The other acts like, and considers herself, a master.

Big difference.

striker3
December 4, 2003, 11:43 PM
Rule #1 regarding troops and chow:

The lowest rank ALWAYS eats first, the highest, LAST.

It is a simple and effective way to raise moral. Just goes to show that she had no interest what-so-ever in the troops, it was all a PR show...

7.62FullMetalJacket
December 4, 2003, 11:59 PM
No, she was having an attack of the munchies :neener:

You do not get calves that big by waiting in line to eat :D

Rule #1 regarding troops and chow:
The lowest rank ALWAYS eats first, the highest, LAST.


Oops :what: She forgot to read up on MILITARY tradition.

Drjones
December 5, 2003, 12:16 AM
Oops She forgot to read up on MILITARY tradition.


Heh.

You really think her actions were unintentional?

She's just being herself is all.....

Drjones
December 5, 2003, 12:50 PM
Bump.

Bill Hook
December 5, 2003, 02:24 PM
When did Rhode Island become part of New York? Or did they just assume that troops from the most heavily democratic state would want to eat with her?

Probably ticked her off to no end that so few did, so she probably thought "f---'em" and cut in front of them, not that she wouldn't have anyway.

Greg L
December 5, 2003, 02:27 PM
Bill,

I think one of the people along with her was a congressman from RI.

Greg

grampster
December 5, 2003, 02:37 PM
BB93YJ's observation hit the proverbial nail on the head.

Don Gwinn
December 5, 2003, 02:37 PM
That's correct.

citizen
December 5, 2003, 03:48 PM
If nothing else, it may have confirmed for her and her handlers what an incredible uphill battle she'll have running for any national political office:D .

kbr80
December 5, 2003, 03:55 PM
bump

Andrew Rothman
December 5, 2003, 04:32 PM
Gee, another anonymous-source NewsMax story? It MUST be true!

Bill Hook
December 5, 2003, 05:01 PM
MPayne,

I question it also, but something like this probably wouldn't register on the AP, etc. Drudge (for example) has has some so-called questionable stories on his site that proved true and were picked up by major media sources later. Considering that most journalists identify themselves as democrats or liberals, I'd wonder if this story will ever get the investigation it deserves.

Sean Smith
December 5, 2003, 05:10 PM
"Looking for military members from New York and Rhode Island interested in meeting their Senator/Congressman."

The Rhode Islander was Senator Jack Reed, a West Point and Ranger School grad who served in the 82nd Airborne. A Democrat, if one of a decidedly different caliber from Hillary. After meeting him firsthand, he's somebody I can still respect even though I don't buy into his politics. Not a self-absorbed a-hole with an entorage like Elvis or something. Something I can't say for either of the Clintons.

N3rday
December 5, 2003, 05:28 PM
Ya know, Bill was a pretty good president, 10 round magazine limit nonwithstanding. When it comes to issues outside the political scene...hes...well...yeah.

Bush may not be up to the intellectual par...but he is nice, and he does his best, which is what counts.

Ed
December 5, 2003, 05:46 PM
A friend of mine over there said basicly the same thing, they weren't happy with her coming over. That part I know is true.

ninjaj448
December 5, 2003, 08:22 PM
I subscribe to NewsMax and like most of what I read there, but as Mpayne indicated, most of the items have no by-lines; just as anything on the Brady Bunch/MMM site. Its easy to believe she did cut in as indicated but I'd like a little more confirmation before I called it that way.

I think GWB showed a lot of class on Thanksgiving Day. I'll never forget it and I'll bet those that were present won't either.

twoblink
December 5, 2003, 09:26 PM
Don't know if it's true, because I've never served, but:

My buddy says:

Rule #1) Never get between the boyz and his chow..

Rule #2) Never withhold the mail from home <-- (I hear this is SERIOUS)

Rule #3) If you get shot during combat and make it back ok, the highest ranking officer on the base will serve you food that night.

They seem to have this belief that anybody taking a bullet for the country is a in a different class all by themselves...

Bush, serving up chow, showed appreciation, Clinton cutting in the chowline shows...CLINTON..:barf:

c_yeager
December 6, 2003, 02:38 AM
Bush may not be up to the intellectual par...but he is nice, and he does his best, which is what counts.

Yeah, getting degrees from both Yale and Harvard isnt really all that impressive these days.

kentucky bucky
December 6, 2003, 03:30 AM
Did you expect anything different from "HER MAJESTY"?:barf:

carpettbaggerr
December 6, 2003, 03:56 AM
1. Why would they send email to the troops asking them if they want to meet their Senators? How many soldiers in Afghanistan have access to computers?

2. Troops had to wait an hour before they were served? How many people did the junior Senator from New York have travelling with her?


I'd like to believe the worst of Hillary, but this one ain't cutting it.

w4rma
December 6, 2003, 04:33 AM
Note to reporter: The trip wasn't about you.

Anybody else tired of the constant drone of the reporters' "Me, me, me."?Oh...so he's insinuating that the troops response was organized and planned? What a maroon...

Man, the {neocon}s are in tizzy over {Clinton}'s popularity with the troops. Kind of takes the air out of their respective balloons, doesn't it?

"These poor soldiers...so ignorant that they don't even hate {Clinton}."

This "journalist's" bile just leaps at you from the page. His hatred of his own {former First Lady} just oozes.

I love it.In other words he would have been happy to get his chance to undermine the moral of the troops sent there to do a job. Or at least to let them know in his own special way that maybe some Americans think that they are stupid for supporting their {Congress}.
In other words instead of being honored that he was chosen to share an important day in the lives of honorable men far from home. He's mad that he didn't get to use this to his own benefit by trying to sow the seeds of discontent.Wow. 860 words and the reporter didn't say a thing.The political opportunity presented by {Clinton}'s secret trip to Iraq benefits more than just the President. Think of all the families viewing the video shot in the mess who recognized sons, daughters, husbands, wives, fathers, and mothers. Those cameras would not have been there except to cover {Clinton}'s visit. As for the rest of the country, it's heartening to see our troops with smiles on their faces in a tense and hostile environment. Many of us Baby Boomers grew up watching the Bob Hope USO television shows filmed during his visits to Vietnam. Seeing those guys in the bush enjoying themselves was good for our morale too.I think this ({Clinton}'s trip to Iraq) sends a huge message to the
Iraqis.If the {former First Lady} can come over there any time {s}he wants,whats to stop the military?
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Both show {s}hes not B.S.ing around,{s}he means biz!
Photo op or not,I give h{er} 2 thumbs-up!Did the reporter witness the same event I saw on TV?When I first heard about this Thanksgiving night, I wondered how the {rightists} and the {Republicans} were going to try and spin it.

Are they idiots? To the average American, there is no way they see this as even remotely a bad thing. If they had a brain they would shut up and move on to another area.

Not that I mind, but can't they see how much damage carping on stuff like this does? Or is their hatred for {Clinton} so great that they just don't care?I am sickened...but not surprised that some on the {right} would stoop so low as to try to turn h{er} visit into a bad thing.

Funny...but I saw a couple interviews with soldiers on CNN

Sounds like griping from the media because they had to follow some rules.

And I totally agree with a couple comments I saw in that coverage

One from an outspoken Bush opponent...that {Clinton} could have stayed quietly in Texas and nobody would have said boo!

And the other from a guy that pointed out that one of the reasons we have moral problems in the military is the griping they hear from the people that claim to "support them"


It bears repeating...that the more we present a divided front, the more our enemies are emboldened

and our troops are discouraged

Reality time people....we ARE in this...whining won't get it done any faster...or better

source (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52240)

XLMiguel
December 6, 2003, 08:58 AM
I heard this on the Liddy show last week also. I wonder how freaking big her entourage was (at our expense) that held up chow for an hour!?!?!:fire: :barf: I believe that she is that arrogant and stupid, but this also shows that her handlers are no better (surprise? NOT).

I heard she made some really stupid comments either while there or immediately upon returning that really showed her ignorance and the true color of her stripes, but haven't been able to find teh specifics. Anyone got a link?

That woman makes my skin crawl and makes me wanna :barf: :barf: :barf:

semf
December 6, 2003, 12:18 PM
w4rma if you are going to use my words at least get it right. My comments were made toward a reporter that was upset that he did not have access to troops that was not the case here. The reporter in this case stated that troops did not want their comments made public due to their negativity.

And I suppose you already know that Lady Clinton was in Afghanistan not Iraq

Neither of the Clinton's have ever had any popularity with the troops

Comparing the President going into a war zone to a second rate senator going into a secured area in hostile territory is ridiculous. If you didn't know the entire country od Iraq is an unstable warzone (major combat was declared over not the war effort).

And last but not least while people like you were plotting the most efficient route to Canada I was serving in the Army and you never make tired troops wait for chow and the best possible way to show them that you think you are better than they are is to cut in line. At the very least it shows a lack of knowledge of military protocol and a lack of respect that she did not bother to learn it.
I have stay out of this discussion because of the fact that I have heard it only hereand realize that it is one sided. Please don't drag me or my words into your mindless Bush hating histeria.

citizen
December 6, 2003, 01:22 PM
"second rate senator"....

NOT EVEN!!!!!!!!!:barf: :barf:

semf
December 6, 2003, 01:45 PM
you're right I should have said second rate human being.
Either way leave me out of this crap fast.

fallingblock
December 7, 2003, 02:27 AM
reading that post from w4rma made me a bit dizzy trying to work out the parallel:D

Would it be possible to rework some of that into an original message, w4rma?:)

355sigfan
December 8, 2003, 04:53 AM
Bush may not be up to the intellectual par...but he is nice, and he does his best, which is what counts.
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I would almost vote for Hillary Clinton before Bush after he said I don't deserve overtime pay. Thats right according to Bush if you make more than 50000 a year or if your a cop, fireman, ems ext you don't deserve overtime. That slug is making me want to go Democrat.
Pat

Drjones
December 8, 2003, 01:11 PM
I would almost vote for Hillary Clinton before Bush after he said I don't deserve overtime pay. Thats right according to Bush if you make more than 50000 a year or if your a cop, fireman, ems ext you don't deserve overtime. That slug is making me want to go Democrat.

First off, I assume you are LEO, EMT, or other.

Thank you for your service! :)

Second, come on; if you voted demo, you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's just not bright!

355sigfan
December 8, 2003, 01:17 PM
Second, come on; if you voted demo, you'd be cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's just not bright!
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Yep I am leo and no I am not happy with a president who is in big buisness's back pocket. I understand your argument. But Good Ole George also supports the assault weapons ban. So its obvious he only cares about whats popular when it comes to guns. When it comes to my wallet he wants to take a chunk of it while giving the richest members of this country huge tax cuts. No I am not happy with the man. Oh with ot I average about 50000 a year. But where I am at the cost of living is the highest in the nation. I have to share the rent on a house with 2 roomates. Milk cost $6 a gallon here. Gas is $2.83. You get the picture. George does not care about the little guy he cares only about making money for the rich.
Pat

fallingblock
December 8, 2003, 06:01 PM
"When it comes to my wallet he wants to take a chunk of it while giving the richest members of this country huge tax cuts. No I am not happy with the man. Oh with ot I average about 50000 a year. But where I am at the cost of living is the highest in the nation. I have to share the rent on a house with 2 roomates. Milk cost $6 a gallon here. Gas is $2.83. You get the picture. George does not care about the little guy he cares only about making money for the rich."
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You'd prefer a Democrat who would raise your taxes, pass even more restrictive firearms laws, and likely appoint a soft-on-criminals judiciary?:confused:

I'll be the first to agree that Bush surely isn't perfect, but look at the alternatives on offer:what:

Correia
December 8, 2003, 06:19 PM
carpettbaggerr, actually there is internet access in Afghanistan on base. We have posters here who are on active duty in A-Stan right now. PvtPyle was very happy when his area got high speed hook up. :)

Ed Brunner
December 8, 2003, 06:20 PM
She doesn't care a rat's rootietoot about military customs, traditions or anything else about the military.

What else would you expect fron a Rodham-Klinton?

355sigfan
December 8, 2003, 08:15 PM
You'd prefer a Democrat who would raise your taxes, pass even more restrictive firearms laws, and likely appoint a soft-on-criminals judiciary?
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On the firearms laws the democrates suck. I agree so do a lot of republicans. As far as taxes go I would rather make more money and be taxed a bit more than make less money and not be taxed at all. Give you an example. Our officers make between 15 to 25% of their gross income from overtime. Take that away and it will hurt them a lot more than not giving them a $300 tax return. As far as criminals goes. I am a cop and the problem is not soft on crime judges. Its treatment and getting the offender skills so when he does get out he does not go right back to crime. Of the people I arrest only about 5% or so are pure evil. Most are what I call screw ups. They lack the skills to make it due to several outside factors. We also need to lock up the right people. Holding drug users in jail for years and letting rapist and murders go free is stupid. But thats what we do. I would rather let 50 pot heads out than one sexual offender. The answer is not as easy as Republican vs Democrate.

SNIP
I'll be the first to agree that Bush surely isn't perfect, but look at the alternatives on offer
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Your right but so far Clark does not look too bad. Also having a divided government is not always a bad thing. I would like to see one party control the White House and another control Capital Hill.

Pat

fgr39
December 8, 2003, 09:56 PM
reading this reminds me of a time when her hubby was the boss and I was in Okinowa, Japan. either 1999 or 2000 and they hosted the G-8 summit at the end of the summit Pres. Clinton and Chelsey(sp?) were gonna stop at Camp Foster and put in an apearance. Info comes down the chain and they ask how many people going may need to issue certain number of tickets to each unit, a little later.... hey anyone who wants to go can, alittle later.... ok each unit will supply x number of bodies. Thank God I had to work that day. While I was on island (3 years) I know of atleast 3 times that Air Force One landed on Kadena and not once did form Pres. Clinton get off the plane.

manwithoutahome
December 8, 2003, 10:09 PM
This was about the same as when M. Albright came to Prince Sultan for some type of "clinton loves you" BS, they had to make the "meeting" mandatory for the Airman and lower ranking Army folks.....

I still wonder if they know I didn't go :D. It was all BS and clinton never set foot on that piece of dirt or even wanted to.

M

fallingblock
December 8, 2003, 10:15 PM
My daughter is leo and struggling with her bills and young family.
She is putting in a lot of holiday overtime to afford the sort of Christmas she wants.:(


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Some of those 'soft on crime' judges would be good candidates.

The daughter made the final arrest in the career of a professional drunk driver recently. The guy had 36 convictions for DWI with no license :eek: !
The judges had always 'felt sorry' for the old guy, and kept giving him breaks. He's in for enough time now to solve the problem.


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Absolutely, positively agreed.:D

It's just that the current crop of Democrat candidates are so bereft of workable ideas.:(

Coronach
December 8, 2003, 11:30 PM
OT

Coronach

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