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TysonC
July 2, 2010, 05:28 PM
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You guys from CFL might know what store this is but please don't name it. I have gone to this store many times without noticing the sign on the front door that prohibits concealed carry.

For those not from the Daytona area, this is the front door of a popular gun store.

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CoRoMo
July 2, 2010, 05:30 PM
They took the picture before I could say "cheese".

oldfool
July 2, 2010, 06:49 PM
putting those iron bars on the place to keep us injun's out
(yo, if it was you, you wouldn't be smilin' either !)

danprkr
July 2, 2010, 07:26 PM
I don't see it. Spell it out for those us who are apparently dense please.

ozarkgunner
July 2, 2010, 07:36 PM
Click on the picture and it will open up.

TysonC
July 2, 2010, 07:37 PM
Sorry guys, I thought it'd be easier to see.

Its a gun store that facilitates CCW training and sells handguns/gear, but yet does not allow concealed carry in the store. I thought it was odd and might be of humor to you guys.

ozarkgunner
July 2, 2010, 07:39 PM
I don't get it either, but thats thier choice. I don't agree with it, but if you don't like it don't go there. I'd have the same feelings.

Zoidberg523
July 2, 2010, 08:20 PM
Entirely their choice. That said, I would never give so much a cent to a firearms store that will assist you in optaining your CCW permit, but will not let you exercise it. :scrutiny:

12131
July 2, 2010, 08:21 PM
It's their store, their policy. Nothing "wrong" with it.
But, I see 3 bullet holes on the glass door. Maybe some ccw guy was pissed about the store policy.:what::D

CraigC
July 2, 2010, 09:22 PM
Not really, in Florida only state law can prohibit concealed carry in places open to the public. So in effect, a licensed concealed carry permit holder can legally ignore the sign.

EddieNFL
July 2, 2010, 09:37 PM
It's their store, their policy. Nothing "wrong" with it.

Absolutely right.

My money, my policy to spend it elsewhere.

Skinny 1950
July 2, 2010, 09:56 PM
I am in Canada and just got a licence (possession-acquisition licence) or PAL for restricted and non-restricted firearms. In this country only police,military and security folks can carry a gun around.For restricted firearms (handguns with a barrel over 4.14 inches long),I had to pass two written tests, have a police investigation into my good character, wait two months and pay $80 CDN. Conceal Carry Permits are impossible for the average citizen to get,I don't have a problem with that. To own handguns in Canada you have to belong to a shooting club and have a permit to transport them to and from the range, again I can live with that. How does this compare with the laws in the U.S. and elsewhere?

rm23
July 2, 2010, 10:22 PM
Skinny: Not much worse than some states. In free states, you can go in buy the pistol with a 3 minute background check put it on your hip or your coat and walk out.

Warhawk83
July 2, 2010, 10:28 PM
A popular local gun/sporting goods store in town that has a shooting range has in huge BOLD letters.... "All weapons must be cased and unloaded except law enforcement".

At the local sheriff's range they will go into a MAJOR tizzy if you walk in the office where you have to sign in with your range bag.

oneounceload
July 2, 2010, 10:29 PM
There is a sporting clays club north and west of Daytona that sells guns, gunsmiths, etc. and does not allow loaded weapons inside per the sign on their door.

It's YOUR choice to spend your money where you please.............

mack
July 2, 2010, 10:37 PM
I think the bullet holes are fake - they look like bullet holes in metal like on a car - but it is a glass door, so they seem to be those decal bullet holes for cars.

Mitch from LA
July 2, 2010, 10:48 PM
A popular local gun/sporting goods store in town that has a shooting range has in huge BOLD letters.... "All weapons must be cased and unloaded except law enforcement".

At the local sheriff's range they will go into a MAJOR tizzy if you walk in the office where you have to sign in with your range bag.
All too true. I was once reprimanded at the Sheriff's Dept. range for firing too quickly even though all of my shots were on target.

TysonC
July 2, 2010, 10:55 PM
I agree with a lot of what was said here.

Please note, I did not name the shop nor is the shop's name visible in the picture. I agree in capitalism, vote with your wallet if you care to.

This is not meant to defame this shop in any way.

earlthegoat2
July 2, 2010, 10:58 PM
At least they allow open carry.

At least the sign does not prohibit open carry as long as the gun is unloaded I guess though too which defeats the purpose of ANY kind of carry.

i hate places like this. I guess I would just not go in there or just conceal carry anyway since they wont see it. But I will respect them by buying guns elsewhere and never under any circumstances use them for training purposes.

heron
July 3, 2010, 12:38 AM
How about that "Target One Realty" sign in the window?

Zoidberg523
July 3, 2010, 01:05 AM
Conceal Carry Permits are impossible for the average citizen to get,I don't have a problem with that. To own handguns in Canada you have to belong to a shooting club and have a permit to transport them to and from the range, again I can live with that.

To each his own. To me, however, firearms are not only a means for fun and for putting food on the table, but also a way of defense. Our right to keep and bear arms is based on that: defense. Defense against foreign enemies, and against our own government, should the need arise.

IMHO, it is a shame that the people of your nation are not allowed the God given right to defend themselves against those that mean to do them harm. :(

RevolvingCylinder
July 3, 2010, 01:12 AM
I recognized that shop immediately. I've been there several times while I was living there.

I fully understand why they have the sign. It's the same as "no loaded guns" signs at many gun shops. That's to keep people from manipulating loaded firearms in the store causing a ND. As we all know, gun shops are a place where manipulating firearms outside of an environment that is safe to shoot are common. Many people who do so, do so unsafely.

You will notice if you have been there that you will never be searched or asked if you're carrying. They really don't care if you're carrying but they don't want you to take it out and show it to them. Concealed means concealed.

Why would you care if we name it if you post a picture of its front and tell us it is in Daytona? It's the first thing that comes up when one googles "gun shops in Daytona".

cleardiddion
July 3, 2010, 02:09 AM
Ugh, I know the shop all too well.
I can almost understand the policy but the shop is my least favorite in the entire greater Daytona area.

I once got a bag of 7.62x54R from them and it had a 80% fail rate. /Facepalm.
And the staff is none too friendly either.

I went the with the vote with my wallet deal and I've not spent a dime nor stepped into that establishment since.
/End rant.

Boba Fett
July 3, 2010, 02:15 AM
Click on the picture and it will open up.
Just to alleviate that issue:

http://www.thechristiansurvivalguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/IMG00001-20100702-1056.jpg

GoingQuiet
July 3, 2010, 02:53 AM
Here's the problem, concealed or not concealed - idiocy happens. When you own a gun store, the instance of someone doing something stupid and putting a round where they shouldn't isn't a matter of if but a matter of when.

I belong to a private range. It is a cold range. We had three people shoot themselves in one year. We have rampant amounts of vandalism. We have shotgun slugs being shot at the trap house. The level of stupidity is unbelievable at a PRIVATE range. The last time I was at a public range, someone had his 6 year old daughter with a Glock 17 and he was PROUD that she shot it. Note: She hit the ground and the wall.

Deus Machina
July 3, 2010, 05:17 AM
Like one of the local owners told me, "It's to keep the insurance lawyers happy. If you're planning on carrying out what you carried in, I didn't see a thing."

bthest86
July 3, 2010, 06:26 AM
Those creepy looking dummy things would be enough to keep me away.

natman
July 3, 2010, 06:38 AM
It's a safety issue, not a political statement. A lot of gun handling takes place in a gun store, they just don't want loaded guns in the mix.

earlthegoat2
July 3, 2010, 07:43 AM
It's a safety issue, not a political statement. A lot of gun handling takes place in a gun store, they just don't want loaded guns in the mix.

I can accept this but not the way they are carrying it out. A blanket statement like no concealed carry just so they can cut down on the number of loaded guns in their establishment? Come on.

Just One Shot
July 3, 2010, 07:46 AM
Just walk on by!

Insurance or safety issues or however they try to jusify it, how do we get other businesses to allow CCing when those in the gun busines won't allow it?

If I see a gun store with a no CC policy I won't spend my money there. If they don't support the rights of their customers then I won't support their business!

wishin
July 3, 2010, 09:18 AM
I agree with a lot of what was said here.

Please note, I did not name the shop nor is the shop's name visible in the picture. I agree in capitalism, vote with your wallet if you care to.

This is not meant to defame this shop in any way.
I see nothing wrong with naming the store; as a matter of fact, it saves those of us that won't go in the store the trouble of finding out after getting there.

Webbj0219
July 3, 2010, 09:35 AM
Doesnt seem like a big deal to me. It may have to do with theft prevention. If you already have a gun in your pocket it might be tougher to tell if thats yours or theirs? IDK?

When I go to Cabellas they have a policy where you have to check your gun at the door. Pretty similiar to this store. At the front register they unload it and put a lock on it. Then you can go shop around and try things on it like scopes laser pointers, etc... Same thing when I took my gun to The best in the west gun show in Reno, NV. I could take my gun in but it had to be unloaded and they put a zip tie around the cylinder of my revolver to keep it closed. No big deal to me. I figure its just a security concern, either to deter theft or for safety in case I take my gun out and start playing with it loaded or something?

Anyway In both places there where ppl there that where armed and ready. So it wasnt an issue that we'd all be defensless if some wolf came apon us.

Chemist
July 3, 2010, 10:06 AM
I don't see a problem. I bet it helps keep down the shop-lifting.

I can imagine a conversation with the store clerk. "Oh no sir, this here is MY gun, I brought it in with me. I like Mexican carry, you know just jammed down inside my undies, that's how I roll."

I like keeping honest folks, well, honest.

Sam1911
July 3, 2010, 11:01 AM
It may have to do with theft prevention. If you already have a gun in your pocket it might be tougher to tell if thats yours or theirs? IDK?I don't see a problem. I bet it helps keep down the shop-lifting.These comments are completely off. A firearm on a dealer's shelf is a federally regulated item. There is a specific procedure for recording the serial number of every gun that comes into their possession. They could no more mistake your personally owned gun for one of theirs than they could claim to own the car you drove there in. And a shoplifter could not possibly make a claim to own a gun that was still logged into the FFL's bound book.

So that's an invalid point.

When I go to Cabellas they have a policy where you have to check your gun at the door. Cabela's has a policy that all guns coming in for sale or gunsmithing (or otherwise to be handled in the store) are to be checked in and cleared at the service counter. That makes sense as guns being handled in a crowded place do pose a liability that the store needs to address. A securely holstered personal defensive sidearm is completely different. It is not to be handled or touched in any way until/unless the moment of dire need. It poses no threat to the store or any other customer -- a holstered gun is a SAFE gun.

(At least in my state) every one of those signs at the front door says, "This does not apply to our customers who CCW."

Anyway In both places there where ppl there that where armed and ready.They have armed guards at Cabelas? :D

Webbj0219
July 3, 2010, 11:20 AM
They have armed guards at Cabelas? , Well maybe not cabellas. I was thinking of the gun store there. miss typed that a lil.

Anyway I just see this as a way for the owners of that property to keep an amount of controll over what happens on their premisses. They arent the enemy here. If they didnt support the right to keep and bear arms, I doubt they would be issuing out ccw's. They just want to know if your bringing a gun in to there store/ they want to keep an eye on things. Like when I go to my friends house Id imagine hed want to know if I was carrying or not.

CraigC
July 3, 2010, 12:24 PM
Like I said, by Florida state law (I lived there 32yrs), you are not required to abide the sign. I'm pretty sure the shopowners know that.

TysonC
July 3, 2010, 01:39 PM
Those creepy looking dummy things would be enough to keep me away.
They are quite odd. The one on the left is hooked up to a motion senson so if you walk in/out it bangs on that drum.

EddieNFL
July 3, 2010, 02:16 PM
Anyway I just see this as a way for the owners of that property to keep an amount of controll over what happens on their premisses.

.gov has the same idea.

They arent the enemy here. If they didnt support the right to keep and bear arms, I doubt they would be issuing out ccw's.

Gunshops in Florida don't have the authority to issue concealed permits.

If you think a gunshop is pro second because they sell firearms, you really need to do a little research. Many dealers were strongly opposed to the AWB sunsetting. Some lost quite a bit of money. With rare exceptions (none I'm aware of), all are in business to make money. The bottom line will trump virtually anything else.

NavyLCDR
July 3, 2010, 02:39 PM
Conceal Carry Permits are impossible for the average citizen to get,I don't have a problem with that. To own handguns in Canada you have to belong to a shooting club and have a permit to transport them to and from the range, again I can live with that.

In the US we have an organization that holds to those exact same beliefs. They are called the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. You might want to check them out, you will find some like minded folks there.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/

They (and organizations like them) are becoming more and more of a minority in the U.S., however, as we have discovered that areas in the U.S. which have such laws and regulations in place have become hotbeds of criminal activity. Criminals love to congregate in places where the average citizen has very little legal means of self defense available to them.

Kentucky_Rifleman
July 3, 2010, 08:47 PM
Those creepy looking dummy things would be enough to keep me away.

The one on the left is hooked up to a motion senson so if you walk in/out it bangs on that drum.

Oh man... I wonder how many people have punched, maced, tasered, or drawn on that thing when it started drumming.

KR

Sam1911
July 3, 2010, 08:48 PM
or drawn on that thing when it started drumming

At last, we know the REAL reason for the sign! :D

hemiram
July 4, 2010, 04:16 AM
Mitch from LA- I was once reprimanded at the Sheriff's Dept. range for firing too quickly even though all of my shots were on target.

I went to one of the local ranges a couple of years ago, and I told them I was mostly interested in function testing, and not all that concerned with accuracy. I had 5 guns with me I had never shot before, all purchased from auction sites, and I was just going to run about 100 rounds through each of them as fast as I could, to get an idea of how reliable they were and if there were any issues with anything falling off, etc. I didn't have a lot of time to do this, as I had to go to work a couple hours later. "No problem" the guy who signed me in said. I took my first gun out, an EAA Witness .45, and shoot 10 rounds slowly through it, it was a brand new gun. It had no issues, so I shoved a second mag in, and shot that one as fast as I could pull the trigger, and then another mag full. I only had three mags, so I'm loading them up again, and this guy comes over and says, "You're shooting too fast!". I said, "Too fast for what?". He looks at me like I'm nuts and says, "For accuracy!" I explained I wasn't worried about that, I just wanted to make sure they WORKED, that's all. He seemed to be ok with that, but when I shot the three mags through the gun again, he comes on the PA, which is super LOUD, and says, "Sir (I was the only one there), you need to slow down!" I went out into the lobby and asked him what he didn't understand. I didn't care where I hit, all I cared about was putting rounds through the guns, that's IT. The owner was there, and he said it was fine. I went back in and I went through at least 100 rounds in all five guns, and then packed up to leave, and picked up my brass to have a friend reload, and then I went outside to pay up, he starts lecturing me about "wasting ammo". I asked him how putting rounds through my guns, and finding out they all functioned perfectly, was wasting them, because I didn't take the time to actually try to shoot a paper target accurately? We argued about it for a while, and I left.

A couple weeks later, I brought 2 of the same ones back, along with another new to me gun. I shot the two I had shot previously fairly decently, and then with the last one, I put 3 fifteen round mags of some weird brand of crap ammo through it quickly, and here comes the "shooting speed policeman", just as I began to actually try to shoot it accurately with WWB stuff. I just asked him, "Really, don't you have something more important to do than to worry how fast or slow I shoot MY guns?". His reply, "Just trying to help sir!". I told him, "The only thing you're trying to help is to help raise my blood pressure! Please leave me alone, unless I'm doing something that is endangering myself or someone else!". He muttered and he did leave me alone, but anytime I come back, he talks about me while I'm shooting to anyone in the store, my grip is wrong, I close one eye, etc, etc. I basically taught myself to shoot, and I suppose it's wrong, but at one point I was very good. I stopped shooting for a long time, and I stink, but I am getting better, and his comments aren't going to change my methods at this point.
The place is very handy, location wise, but it's expensive to shoot there, and his talking about me annoys the hell out of me, so I don't go back very often. I usually shoot for free in a friend's backyard, but he's selling the place, and I'll have to find another place to shoot, I guess.

FirearmsEnthusiast
July 4, 2010, 06:12 AM
I was gonna say the do rag.

sig228
July 4, 2010, 09:14 AM
But, I see 3 bullet holes on the glass door. Maybe some ccw guy was pissed about the store policy.

LOL, those aren't real. Like someone else said, those signs have no legal effect in Florida. Concealed means concealed.

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