about to get an M&P9....but i keep hearing (glock) in my head


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jlott00
July 2, 2010, 11:04 PM
i already own a g19,...i mainly like the reputation of being so tough etc. i like it...but i picked up an M&P9 in my hands the other day and instantly noticed how nice it felt in my hands...i dont have a range to rent one ect but it felt nice....

few things going through my head are
-my wife needs a pistol she loves the g19, so if i got another g19 we would be able to share everything...M&P would have all different mags etc.

i can live with the g19 grip (i have small hands, wifes are bigger lol) but i liked the mp

i guess im asking, is have the M&P's proven them selfs pretty much now? im looking for confidants in this purchase lol i HATE buyers remorse

its not really a g vs mp thing....

ONE more thing, are the RTF2 glocks a bit shorter in the grip then the normal glocks?

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highorder
July 2, 2010, 11:23 PM
The Cincinnati Police, along with dozens of other agencies issue the M&P9.

It's proven. I love mine, so I'm partial.

brabham78
July 2, 2010, 11:28 PM
M&P & Glock - they are both good and dependable guns. Pick your favorite, and buy it.

Haifisch
July 2, 2010, 11:30 PM
The only reason agencies are switching is because S&W will give them brand new M&P's for their used Glock's, Straight up trades.

I owned an M&P .45 and wasn't impressed at all. I'll stick with my Glocks.

BearAZ737
July 2, 2010, 11:39 PM
Hi, I own an M&P45 full size and I love the gun. It has not seen any malfunctions. I couldn't be happier. Glocks are fantastic too and I keep eyeing a used G22;) so I think you should buy the Smith and try something new and if you don't like it possibly you could trade for a G19? They're about the same price. Just a suggestion.

Good luck!

Lefty Gunner
July 2, 2010, 11:44 PM
Shoot both guns and test the grip angle, trigger reach and grip size between the two pistols. If at all possible experiment a little with the different back straps to see if you prefer one design over the other.

Trigger parts are available to tune the M&P for any pull you would like.

I just switched my IDPA Stock Service Pistol from the Glock 34 to the M&P 9L. I had my highest finish and fewest points down (Misses) with the new gun. I would have never thought that I could get so much improvement with an equipment change.

Now, I am sure that there was some "New Gun Syndrome" going on, but I also really did shoot the higher score!

Publius1688
July 3, 2010, 12:06 AM
Both Glocks and S&W's are fine handguns. With either one, you'll be happy. I own a full size M&P .45, and previously owned a M&P 9c. Excellent pistols. Aftermarket parts abound for Glock--not quite so much for M&P.

pv18463
July 3, 2010, 12:11 AM
I was looking at the M&P 9 for a new carry gun but after shooting one at a range I decided on the G19. It was the trigger that disappointed me. The travel felt to long and the reset was not crisp.

R. Deckard
July 3, 2010, 12:11 AM
There are more aftermarket accessories available for the Glock. My wife and I both shoot competition and we both have G34s, She got a deal on a used M&P Pro and really likes it but is having trouble finding a magwell for it that will work without changing out the floorplates of her magazines.

Deckard

Nushif
July 3, 2010, 12:14 AM
Tough choice. Both are good guns.

That being said I'd get the Glock because I'm a hopeless romantic and I think exploding stuff together with the wife is a lot of fun.

CZ223
July 3, 2010, 12:23 AM
owning many different guns.:) I love my Glocks, currently two G23's, but I also like the feel of the M&P's. My sister has both the 9 and the 40 and likes them a lot. I also think Smith is running their $50 rebate or two spare mags promo right now, making them an even better deal. Go ahead and get the Smith and let us know what you think.

beeenbag
July 3, 2010, 12:35 AM
I want to buy a S&W m&P compact .40 S&W so bad, but I cant justify it over the Glock 27. All of the deminsions of the 27 are smaller, (plus to me) the price of the 27 is cheaper (around here, and definite plus), my local dealer has bookoos of access. for glocks, (another plus) but man I really want to carry an American made gun. By the way im typing this right now with a glock 19 on my side.....

Strahley
July 3, 2010, 12:40 AM
Both are great guns, but my vote goes to the Glock. I used to own a M&P9c...used to ;) Still got my Glocks

DA Wood
July 3, 2010, 01:16 AM
I have the M&P 45c and I love it! Put about 500 rounds through it without problems. It fits well in my hand and is quickly back on target round after round. I have fired Glocks before and wanted someting new. I'm glad I bought it

Skylerbone
July 3, 2010, 01:31 AM
1100+ rounds through my M&P 40 since late March:
No failures to feed, shooting 135 gr - 180 gr HP and lead
No failures to fire
Zero problems

Wife has an M&P 9c, 150 rounds in last 2 weeks, 2-3 failures to eject (new shooter limpwristing).

Speedshooterspecialties should give you an idea of what's available aftermarket and Bowie Tactical or Burwell Gunsmithing can provide beautiful pictures of custom options.

I love the M&Ps and plan on adding a 9Pro soon. The fact that they field strip easily, are simple to work on and are reliable.

Say Glock again, does little for me, even less for my wife's small hands. They are an excellent tool but you must decide which is right for you.

Best of luck.

pacerdude
July 3, 2010, 01:32 AM
I love my M&P 40 fullsize, and I like Glocks too... FWIW I also have small hands for a guy and the M&P fits my hands better than a Glock.

They are both fine handguns, but I admit that it is easier to find magazines for Glocks than for the M&Ps.

wow6599
July 3, 2010, 03:19 AM
Buy American.......S&W M&P ;)

JoeSlomo
July 3, 2010, 05:29 AM
i guess im asking, is have the M&P's proven them selfs pretty much now? im looking for confidants in this purchase lol i HATE buyers remorse

The M&P's have absolutely been proven. They are one of the main firearms used in production division for USPSA competition. These folks buy rounds by the THOUSANDS and fire more rounds through their firearms in one year than most non-competitors or LEO's do in 20 years.

Rxster
July 3, 2010, 07:31 AM
I believe in diversity and have both of them. I like them both. The m&p really impressed me with its smoothness. You can also change the grip really quickly for you or your wife.
The glock is a fine pistol as well.
So get the one you want now and save for the other one.

postalnut25
July 3, 2010, 07:56 AM
I have both and you can't go wrong with either. Like you, I have small hands, and the M&P with the small backstrap just fits. No knocking the Glocks, but if you already have a G19, you really should get the M&P. No need to have two of the same pistols.

Runningman
July 3, 2010, 09:07 AM
Both are excellent I don't think you will go wrong either way.

A couple years ago I bought a S&W M&P 357, really like the ergonomics of the M&P. But did not care for the out of the box trigger on the M&P. It kind of made its way to the back of the safe for awhile. A few months back I spent $30 on a Apex hard sear on the M&P. It made enough of a difference that I now really like the M&P.

The Lone Haranguer
July 3, 2010, 09:16 AM
I have both and you can't go wrong with either.
Agreed. In fact, the M&P 9C I had was more reliable out of the box than my Glock 19, which had some initial problems feeding JHP ammunition. (To be fair, this was actually a magazine problem which was easily corrected.)

Manco
July 3, 2010, 10:46 AM
few things going through my head are
-my wife needs a pistol she loves the g19, so if i got another g19 we would be able to share everything...M&P would have all different mags etc.

That may sound useful, but realistically I don't think it's a major advantage unless you expect to have to reload one another's weapons during a shootout.

i guess im asking, is have the M&P's proven them selfs pretty much now? im looking for confidants in this purchase lol i HATE buyers remorse

Yes, the M&P has rather quickly become a dependable design. I can't think of a major issue that hasn't already been addressed in newly manufactured M&Ps. Mine has functioned flawlessly so far, even when abused by deliberate limp-wristing, and I trust it to go bang every time I pull the trigger.

its not really a g vs mp thing....

How could it not be? Fortunately, you can't go wrong with either. I went with the M&P because it felt more comfortable in my hands, pointed more naturally for me, and seemed to fit the small hands of other family members better, although I would have been happy with a Glock, too.

As for the trigger, many do prefer the Glock's stock trigger to that of the M&P, although the M&P's trigger system appears to have a bit more potential than the Glock's, and can be addressed through easily replaced aftermarket parts or a trigger job.

Some advantages of the Glock are that it's a bit tougher in some ways, such as the finish and corrosion resistance (although the plastic sights are definitely not tougher), and it has more accessories available. It also has much more of a track record, of course, the M&P still being a relatively new design.

Some of the M&P's advantages are that it's generally more robust when tortured by shooting technique (which is a concern of some people regarding all the things that could go wrong during a shooting), and its ergonomics seem to be better for most, albeit hardly all, people.

Blackhawk30
July 3, 2010, 10:53 AM
You really should listen to the voices in your head:evil:d.

NG VI
July 3, 2010, 11:03 AM
I'm with Nushif in every way on this one.

sniper5
July 3, 2010, 11:08 AM
Get the one that fits your hand best and shoots the most intuitively for you.

ugaarguy
July 3, 2010, 11:12 AM
The only reason agencies are switching is because S&W will give them brand new M&P's for their used Glock's, Straight up trades.
You think Glock didn't do this, and still doesn't do this? How did Glock become the most issued LE firearm in the US, almost overnight?

Back to the OP,

You wont go wrong with either pistol. Weigh your trigger time with the G19, holsters, spare mags, mag pouches, etc against how much you like the M&P. I personally like the M&Ps better (they're far more comfortable / have a natural fit to my hand), but I also like consistent training. Write down the pros and cons to each, and decide that way. Alternately, if this purchase is something you can easily afford with your financial situation, there's nothing wrong with buying the M&P for no other reason than you like it and want one.

230therapy
July 3, 2010, 11:27 AM
Option 1: Buy the Glock 19 so you'll have two.

Advantages:

1) Common gear -- you don't need to buy too much extra stuff.
2) Magazines are the same. Share with your wife if there's a situation.
3) Parts are very easy to acquire and low cost.
4) Glocks are simple to work on. Most people can do 90% of the work required to fix the gun.
5) Training: you're already familiar with the gun (not that they're much different). Your wife also knows it.
6) Very reliable self-defense oriented handgun.

Disadvantages:

I can't think of any.


Option 2: Buy the M&P

Advantages:

1) Possible improvement in shooting--better recoil handling, etc
2) Apex Tactical parts make the trigger very nice
3) Is there a sale?
4) Very reliable self-defense oriented handgun.

Disadvantages:

1) New gun; must be proven.
2) Training: need to familiarize yourself with it before using it for self-defense.
3) Gear: you'll need to order new stuff and wait for it.
4) Mags: different and cost may be more.


Maybe you can munge them together to make a Plock.

Taurus 617 CCW
July 3, 2010, 12:02 PM
I own a Glock 19 as well. I was looking hard at getting the S&W M&P9c also. The one thing that swayed me away from it (and most sub compacts also) is that my pinkey finger gets in the way during mag changes. The Glock 19 is just large enough to keep all the fingers on the grip where they belong. I haven't had any problems with concealment either. If you can't rent one at a local range then you are faced with the decision of taking a gamble on the M&P or going with the familiar Glock. One thing to note though is that if you don't go with the M&P you will always wonder about it down the road. My $0.02 would be to get the M&P and give it a try. As others have said you can always trade it for a Glock 19 (there are plenty of them out there).

.357 magnum
July 3, 2010, 01:17 PM
Like the other Poster's have said. Make sure you get the one that fits your hand the Best and you shoot the Best with! I personally like the MP. I still own two of them. Ergonomics are Great. I cannot get used to the feel/angle of a Glock, but that does not make them an inferior gun. Glock's are built Very Well. Do not forget to go see a Psychiatrist for the Voices in your Head:what::neener:

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

PS: jonboynumba1 Posted after me. BUT-That is a Great Idea! If you can afford it, get Both-You could even get different Calibers if you want---Have a Great Day Everyone!

Sapper771
July 3, 2010, 01:36 PM
Both are excellent designs. I was very close to getting an M&P 9 pro a month ago, but I didn't because of the time and money it would take to outfit it and train with it. My glocks would be jealous too.

I am biased though. Glock offers me more than the M&Ps can. The M&P is still a good pistol, but I will stick to my Glocks.

Dnaltrop
July 3, 2010, 01:36 PM
I went with an M&P .40.

not as easy to find parts as the Glock, but it was purely a grip comfort thing.

I'll be picking up the .357 Sig barrel, and the 9mm barrel (and Mags, .357 sig feeds in the .40's) giving me economy, and defense in one frame.

Thankfully we live in an age where ones personal preference still results in a generally reliable gun.

jonboynumba1
July 3, 2010, 01:58 PM
you obviously should buy both! Assuming she likes the 19. The M&P feels great...the design is more complicated and waky than the glock...the glock is a cleaner simpler machine...I have 2 XD9's that feel GREAT and have been 100% for my wife and I (big and small hands) they feel more ergoniomic than glock....she LOVES hers...I like mine a lot (for a nine it's about as nice as it gets in plastic) That said today at work a a LOT I'm toting a GLOCK 21 SF because at the end of the day I just trust glocks more....I've owned MANY and shot THOUSANDS of rounds through em....to spite internet tales of kabooms and failures I've never had any problems...I bought a XD45 first before the SF...it shot GREAT felt great....finally had some issues...springfield would have made it right...but I dumped it and went back to GLOCK....no problems! an enduring trend in my life....GLOCK= no problems...they just work.

FWIW I've had excellent support from GLOCK and Springfield Armory....S&W has pissed me off more times than I can count...they just aren't good at handling problems...back in the day they used to be a VERY different company...today however their service blows. And they did offer an insane trade to the local university PD for their G23's as mentioned above...the majority of the department said they didn't want a free or nearly free new gun...they wanted their 23's! I suspect it was because they have a LEO training center there and it would be good for their image to say that's what the staff there uses...the guy that ran the school wanted to swap! the rank and file said -nope! more LE professionals carry GLOCK than probably all other brands combined....some of that is cost (vs. sig/HK ect) some of that is simple brand loyalty because they work and they are lighter on the belt than many of the older favorites they dethrowned.

In a perfect world we'd all get a free 1911 with every glock we buy! ;)

ThePunisher'sArmory
July 3, 2010, 02:10 PM
I am not a Glock fan, But in your case I think i would get another G19. I think it is advantageous to be able to share mags for SHTF scenarios. God forbit should they ever arise. Plus you can buy a ton of mags and rationalize it to the wife ;->

Skylerbone
July 3, 2010, 04:48 PM
I like the Plock idea but I would call mine a Mock.

The M&P is reliable, has interchangable barrels if you start with the 40 or .357Sig and has every aftermarket part needed for an SD/HD/Comp pistol. Glocks are easier to work on but a detail strip of an M&P still takes minutes with a hammer and punch.

4 mags to start with gives you 61 rounds if the SHTF. If that isn't enough, you didn't bring enough gun.

Best of luck (you're buying a new pistol, whose luckier than you anyway), hope you find one that makes you happy.

PS. I've never cared for Glock triggers nor did I care for my M&P triggers out of the box. You may feel differently but you might want to budget for Apex parts or an hour to stone the factory sear and smooth out the striker block.

.357 magnum
July 3, 2010, 04:54 PM
I own Full size SW-MP 9mm, Great Gun I will always keep it. But I also own TWO XD-M 9mm's. [Also and XD-M .40 and Now on order .45] They are a Step up. The 9mm holds 19 in the Mag and they have the Match Grade Barrel. Ergonomics are also Awesome. The XD-M shoots a little better to me.I am a little more accurate with the XD-M. I like the feel of the XD-M. It is large and feels like a Combat/Defensive 9mm -which is what it was made for:evil: Go Try one out.:) Remember that is the XD-M not the regular XD.

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

jlott00
July 3, 2010, 08:18 PM
Thanks for all the replies!

went by a gun shop today to handle some, this time i had them pull out a g19, g19rft2 with scallops(i love the looks) , and a mp9....oh and a gen4 17.

And though its a little awkward, i handled them for 10 min or so going back and forth

gen 17 was nice, i liked it bare in the "sf" mode. but i like a bit smaller of a gun,
i absolutley loved the rtf g19! something about the rtf made the glock feel SO much better, as if it was actually smaller, though i dont think it really is. but it just sticks and i loved it,
after the rtf i didnt like the m&p as much as last time, though i still like em. so i weighed all that had been said here(great points and views) and (borrowed pic)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4041/glock19rtf2nyb173.jpg absolutely love it

Nushif
July 3, 2010, 08:28 PM
Sweet!

Now you can blow stuff up together with matching guns! that is if you're a plinker. If you're more the paper punching type you can do that.

Haifisch
July 3, 2010, 08:45 PM
Thanks for all the replies!

went by a gun shop today to handle some, this time i had them pull out a g19, g19rft2 with scallops(i love the looks) , and a mp9....oh and a gen4 17.

And though its a little awkward, i handled them for 10 min or so going back and forth

gen 17 was nice, i liked it bare in the "sf" mode. but i like a bit smaller of a gun,
i absolutley loved the rtf g19! something about the rtf made the glock feel SO much better, as if it was actually smaller, though i dont think it really is. but it just sticks and i loved it,
after the rtf i didnt like the m&p as much as last time, though i still like em. so i weighed all that had been said here(great points and views) and (borrowed pic)
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4041/glock19rtf2nyb173.jpg absolutely love it

Same as mine, except mine has straight serrations. (thank goodness) :uhoh:

Skylerbone
July 3, 2010, 08:48 PM
Congratulations, it's a new baby Glock! Fine choice and I might add the first scalloped one I've seen.

CDW4ME
July 3, 2010, 09:44 PM
The voices in your head served you well, good choice.
You have avoided buyers remorse.

Demitrios
July 3, 2010, 09:45 PM
To this day I've never held a more comfortable gun than the M&P.

jlott00
July 3, 2010, 09:50 PM
Same as mine, except mine has straight serrations. (thank goodness)

:) yeah, i figured some would like em and some wouldnt. I do right now. i changed my other 19 over to the rtf2 frame just to look at it with straight serrations and its good as well.

jlott00
July 3, 2010, 09:56 PM
To this day I've never held a more comfortable gun than the M&P.

they are nice, but felt slick after handling the rtf2 for a while, if i ever get a 45 (just because) i may look at the mp45c....

bds
July 3, 2010, 10:57 PM
To this day I've never held a more comfortable gun than the M&P.
Yes. So, even though I am a Glock fan, I bought both (M&P 40 keeps G22 company).

Now, I don't hear voices in my head, just have warm and fuzzy feelings all over. :D

jlott00
July 4, 2010, 01:15 AM
the voices are gone!!!!! lol

boatingboy
July 4, 2010, 09:58 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=530831

easyg
July 5, 2010, 07:20 PM
Congrats on your new RTF G19!

You have made the right choice.

jlott00
July 5, 2010, 08:59 PM
shot her yesterday couple hundered rounds no ftf etc....love it! i was really accurate with it! as far as the scalloped slide, it actually does Work better, your fingers really dig in....

I did good :cool:

jonboynumba1
July 6, 2010, 10:57 AM
you've inspired me...I just bought a GLOCK 23 to go with my 21 SF for weekly carry at the shop. I think of it as a "mini 21"

(though I carry 230gr gold dots (double tap loaded) in the .45 and 135gr corbon or DT in .40...so ammo wise I go the opposite end of the weight spectrum between .40 and .45)

but the both carry 13+1 of a good round that starts with a "4" and they are both GLOCK...

speaksoftly
July 6, 2010, 12:16 PM
The only reason agencies are switching is because S&W will give them brand new M&P's for their used Glock's, Straight up trades.

Interesting, never heard this before. Any documentation to support this?

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