"Robbers pick wrong target"--Memphis, TN


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grace2u
July 3, 2010, 10:24 AM
Mods, feel free to move this if needed. Here is the link:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2010/jul/03/robbers-pick-wrong-target/?partner=yahoo_feeds

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Carter
July 3, 2010, 10:28 AM
The story...

Two would-be robbers forgot to ask their victim a key question:

Do you have a gun and know how to use it?

The 21-year-old Bartlett man's answer might have prevented the two 16-year-olds from being shot.

Instead, an exchange of gunfire between the Bartlett man and the robbers Wednesday night left one teenager dead and the other wounded.

Alyssa Moore, a spokeswoman for Memphis police, said authorities have not released the names of the robber who was killed or the other teenager, who was in noncritical condition.

The robbery portion of the case is still under investigation and charges are pending. State prosecutor Thomas Henderson said Friday the office will not prosecute the potential robbery victim, saying his actions appear justified.

The man, who works for a local gun range, declined comment Friday. He asked that his name not be published because authorities told him the attempted robbery may be gang-related.

The shootout occurred about 10 p.m. Wednesday at the Edgewater Apartments east of Sycamore View and south of Raleigh-LaGrange.

According to Moore, one of the suspects fired at the man during an attempted robbery.

The victim, who was within 3 feet of one robber and about 10 from the other, fired five shots, four of them striking the would-be robbers.

According to the state Department of Public Safety, the potential victim is a licensed handgun permit holder.

-- Clay Bailey: 529-2393

Jumping Frog
July 3, 2010, 10:31 AM
One robber had a terminal failure in his victim selection process. The other robber just had a FAIL.

The victim got hits on 4 out of 5 shots. Better than overall police averages.

Carter
July 3, 2010, 10:34 AM
Hopefully that one stray bullet didn't cause any damage and was recovered.

Warhawk83
July 3, 2010, 11:35 AM
I'm sure if it caused damage we would have read about it in the same story.
Home invasions have been increasing in my area and it's got about a 90% FAIL rate for the robber with them receiving a lead injection and sometimes losing their pathetic life.

parsimonious_instead
July 3, 2010, 11:38 AM
@warhawk:

Or as I like to put it, "rectified his lead deficiency"

Old Fuff
July 3, 2010, 12:06 PM
Oh how can you be so cruel???

These poor little boys were only 16-years old! Now this monster has shot them down with an evil handgun. Handguns should be banned and hereafter anyone being robbed by such innocent youths should give up whatever money or other valuables they have without resistance. Where are your tender hearts? :rolleyes:

So what if they were part of a gang? They probably were from economically deprived families that couldnít (didnít?) provide them with a stable and rewarding home life. Thus they were forced to seek some additional income to support their basic needs. We should blame all of this on George Bush, and our capitalist society. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sure we should. Unfortunately some will actually believe the above. :barf:

armoredman
July 3, 2010, 12:11 PM
Good shooting on the victims part. Bad target selection on the assailants' part.

wishin
July 3, 2010, 01:17 PM
Do you have a gun and know how to use it?

Given the ignorance of many criminals, an affirmative response to the question might provoke their bravado....

Kentucky_Rifleman
July 3, 2010, 02:10 PM
I would love to know what weapon and caliber the victim used to defend himself.

Putting 4 out of 5 rounds into multiple targets in a firefight is impressive shooting.

Kudos to the reporting agency for NOT publishing the victim's name.

KR

alohachris
July 3, 2010, 02:41 PM
Another life saving, clean shoot. Where's CNN when you need them.

Anyone care to bet if the surviving perp will offend again?

rm23
July 3, 2010, 02:47 PM
So, did anyone hear yet if the dead robber was just about to turn his life around?

Mr.Davis
July 3, 2010, 03:44 PM
The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so.
The big question is whether you're intentionally trolling the forum. There are sooooo many things wrong with this post.

The robbers threatened their intended victim with deadly force. That's not a property crime, that's being in fear for one's life. "Your money or your life" isn't a binding contract...they can easily shoot you dead, and sometimes do, even after the victim complies.

You're claiming the robber may have been protecting himself? The robber initiated the confrontation, and escalated it by injecting the threat of deadly force! Tell me, if this were a police officer who shot the perps, would you be asking the same questions?

You also need to learn the definition of murder. Here's a hint - murder and killing are not synonyms. A justified self-defense shooting is in no way, shape, or form a "murder".

Please, by all means, come back and defend your ridiculous post.

yeti
July 3, 2010, 03:46 PM
I want to come home later and read lots of funny responses.

I think the idea that you have to wait until you have been shot at to shoot is pretty funny. :p (not funny : HA HA, sad funny)

Mr.Davis
July 3, 2010, 03:53 PM
Not to get too derailed by those who object to the right of self-defense, but what the heck does this mean?

licensed handgun permit holder
There's not a handgun permit system in Tennessee, is there? I'm assuming this is just an ignorant staff writer's interpretation of a concealed carry permit.

JoeSlomo
July 3, 2010, 03:56 PM
Edit:


Good on the defender!

Tacbandit
July 3, 2010, 03:58 PM
quote: by mountainhome
"The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so."

Moot point, at this stage...read the story again...robbery/shootout...bad guys with guns..only now there is one less bad guy...The only "big question" is will he have to face the families in civil court? He'll have to live with this from now on... the key point being that he is alive, because he was prepared to do what none of us ever wants to have to do. Sad that they were so young...just like it's sad that this guy was forced into this scenario. Doesn't appear to be any "murder" here, mountain home...

Mr.Davis
July 3, 2010, 04:01 PM
The Violence Policy Center and Brady Campaign will include the death of the 16 year old robber, and the wounding of the other in their statistics about "child victims of gun violence". I kid you not.

KodiakBeer
July 3, 2010, 04:03 PM
The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so.

Sticking a gun in someones face is not a property crime.

cambeul41
July 3, 2010, 04:07 PM
I don't think mountainhome read the article.

According to Moore, one of the suspects fired at the man during an attempted robbery.

EddieNFL
July 3, 2010, 04:07 PM
The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so.
You can claim the moral high ground and I'll stay alive.

Tacbandit
July 3, 2010, 04:10 PM
Quote by Mr. Davis:
"Not to get too derailed by those who object to the right of self-defense, but what the heck does this mean?
"licensed handgun permit holder"
There's not a handgun permit system in Tennessee, is there? I'm assuming this is just an ignorant staff writer's interpretation of a concealed carry permit."

Dangerous to "assume" anything, but it would probably suggest that the writer was led to believe that the victim was licensed, or had a permit for the handgun in question... There is a system in place in Tennessee for obtaining concealed carry permits by it's residents...
_

TexasRifleman
July 3, 2010, 04:10 PM
The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so

I submit to you that:

a) If it happened inside his apartment and he was home it was possibly not robbery but burglary.

b) reporters don't really know the difference many times.

c) even if it was robbery, robbery is a crime against a person, not just property. A crime against property only is called "theft". Robbery is defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear.. There is no such thing as "robbery of property".

c) going off of one single newspaper report to make a moral judgment of someone is kinda dumb.

d) arguing that robbery isn't a violent crime is kinda dumb.

Given all of the above, I would say to you that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Tacbandit
July 3, 2010, 04:18 PM
Quote by Mr. Davis
"The Violence Policy Center and Brady Campaign will include the death of the 16 year old robber, and the wounding of the other in their statistics about "child victims of gun violence". I kid you not."

How right you are, sir... I would not bet against you in that assertion...
Tac

Buck Snort
July 3, 2010, 04:23 PM
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Buck Snort
July 3, 2010, 04:27 PM
The big question is did the robber shoot before the victim or did the victim shoot first and the robber was protecting himself?
I know yall think that robbery of property is justification for murder, but I don't think so.
WRONG!!! The BIG question is, "Did he reasonably fear loss of life or suffering great bodily harm?" If so he was justified in opening fire. If not, its a wash as far as I'm concerned.

Kentucky_Rifleman
July 3, 2010, 04:38 PM
The BIG question is, "Did he reasonably fear loss of life or suffering great bodily harm?"

I would say he had "reasonable fear for his life."

The D.A. was quoted in the article as saying they were not going to pursue any prosecution against the homeowner, as the shooting seemed justified.

I don't know about Tennessee, so please correct me if my assumption is wrong, but here in Kentucky if the shooting is at all questionable, the D.A. will usually present it to a Grand Jury. This actually helps the homeowner, because when the Grand Jury "no-bills" the case, it's closed. It then becomes much harder for survivors/families to sue the homeowner.

I don't know if Tennessee has the "no lawsuit" addendum to their castle doctrine or not, but every state should have one.

KR

Deltaboy
July 3, 2010, 04:51 PM
Those who are rebellious will suddenly be destroyed. The Book of Proverbs the Delta translation.

FourteenMiles
July 3, 2010, 06:14 PM
From where I stand it looks like they chose the right target. ;)

The Lone Haranguer
July 4, 2010, 09:37 AM
Two would-be robbers forgot to ask their victim a key question:

Do you have a gun and know how to use it?

The 21-year-old Bartlett man's answer might have prevented the two 16-year-olds from being shot.


To that, I would say if you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk. And very often, the younger serpent has the stronger venom.

I am unsure how to take the tone of the above snippet, considering this newspaper has in the past published names of HCP holders.

Guillermo
July 4, 2010, 11:31 AM
I don't care who brandished what, when. The results are clear

one dead bad guy, one wounded bad guy.

Good guy is fine

And he shot extremely well under pressure

ArfinGreebly
July 4, 2010, 11:35 AM
Guys, don't feed the trolls.

I was going to clean up the thread, but it has too many posts responding to a trolling question.

Rather than hack it up, and since I don't have the time to babysit this thread, I'll just close it.

Yes, the post was either ill-informed or deliberately provocative. That's what the "report post" button is for.

If someone obtains more actual detail on this incident (like a follow-up story), please feel free to open a new thread.

(And don't get sucked in to responding to trolling.)

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