Ruger Mini-14 effective range?


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stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 03:34 AM
Using a scope?
Using the factory peep sight?:confused:

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scythefwd
July 4, 2010, 03:38 AM
Depends on the rifle. The round should be good over 300y, but your sights might not have the adjustment to shoot that and your rifle might not be accurate enough to do it.

Sunray
July 4, 2010, 04:00 AM
Grasshopper, the sights have little to do with the effective range of any cartridge. Go to your local public library and read everything they have about firearms.

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 04:15 AM
Depends on the rifle. The round should be good over 300y, but your sights might not have the adjustment to shoot that and your rifle might not be accurate enough to do it.
Yes I agree hard to see a bright orange dot at 100 yards with peep sight.

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 04:16 AM
Grasshopper, the sights have little to do with the effective range of any cartridge. Go to your local public library and read everything they have about firearms.

I can't they banned the books on subject matter.:eek:
:what:

scythefwd
July 4, 2010, 04:20 AM
stinger - that isn't adjustment. Up/down/left/right adjustments. A scope makes it easier to see the dot, but that doesn't make the rifle more accurate. A person with peeps could put every round in that dot, without seeing it, if they know where on the paper it is and the rifle can group that well.

scythefwd
July 4, 2010, 04:34 AM
correction to distance. The Army trains that the maximum effective range for a point target of the 5.56 NATO is 550 meters. That is with iron sights. A soldier is expected to HIT center of mass at 300m. That said, your mini might not be up to the task even if the round is. A Marine is expected to hit COM at 500m. Wish they would have let us shoot that far....

Stinger - you live in CA, or CT, or MA? I could see a school library banning books on firearms, but a public library? That isn't passing the sniff test (and I'm used to smelling diapers right now).

Sunray
July 4, 2010, 04:49 AM
"...I can't they banned the books on subject matter..." Where?

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 04:51 AM
correction to distance. The Army trains that the maximum effective range for a point target of the 5.56 NATO is 550 meters. That is with iron sights. A soldier is expected to HIT center of mass at 300m. That said, your mini might not be up to the task even if the round is. A Marine is expected to hit COM at 500m. Wish they would have let us shoot that far....

Stinger - you live in CA, or CT, or MA? I could see a school library banning books on firearms, but a public library? That isn't passing the sniff test (and I'm used to smelling diapers right now).
What's 300 meters? I'm old school.

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 04:53 AM
stinger - that isn't adjustment. Up/down/left/right adjustments. A scope makes it easier to see the dot, but that doesn't make the rifle more accurate. A person with peeps could put every round in that dot, without seeing it, if they know where on the paper it is and the rifle can group that well.
Even Zatochi? The blind swordsman?:neener:

C-grunt
July 4, 2010, 05:00 AM
What's 300 meters? I'm old school.
1 meter is like 3 feet 3 inches. So 300 meters is probably about 315 yards.

scythefwd
July 4, 2010, 05:14 AM
stinger 327 - especially zatochi. He was an expert because he could feel the difference in his body position. Once you got him on target, he would just have to repeat the exact same motion. Since he was a lot more practiced in feeling his body position, he would be more likely able to repeat it exactly. You could use your caldwell rest and enough weight and not use the sights. Once you got the gun pointed at exactly the right spot, sights wouldn't be needed. You could trade out the peeps for standard irons with no change in point of impact (assuming you were able to change out the sights without disturbing the rifle), no matter where the new sights were pointed. That is why we change the sights location, not the barrels position in the stock when we make adjustments. The sights are for the shooter, not the rifle.

"What's 300 meters? I'm old school. " Pretty sure the metric system was around BEFORE the SAE system we use here in the US (inches, feet, etc.)

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 08:40 AM
1 meter is like 3 feet 3 inches. So 300 meters is probably about 315 yards.
315 yards? The range only goes up to 100 yards.

stinger 327
July 4, 2010, 08:42 AM
stinger 327 - especially zatochi. He was an expert because he could feel the difference in his body position. Once you got him on target, he would just have to repeat the exact same motion. Since he was a lot more practiced in feeling his body position, he would be more likely able to repeat it exactly. You could use your caldwell rest and enough weight and not use the sights. Once you got the gun pointed at exactly the right spot, sights wouldn't be needed. You could trade out the peeps for standard irons with no change in point of impact (assuming you were able to change out the sights without disturbing the rifle), no matter where the new sights were pointed. That is why we change the sights location, not the barrels position in the stock when we make adjustments. The sights are for the shooter, not the rifle.

"What's 300 meters? I'm old school. " Pretty sure the metric system was around BEFORE the SAE system we use here in the US (inches, feet, etc.)
That's a very interesting way of putting it. Never thought of it that way.:)

scythefwd
July 4, 2010, 08:51 AM
My point is that iron sights are good out to much further ranges than many people are willing to shoot.

You asked the maximum effective range for that round, which the military says is 550M. That is shot with iron sights. So to put a fine point on it:

Quit worrying about max ranges when you aren't in a location to actually shoot at that distance. Peep sights are used out to 1000 yards in competition, out to 500 meters by every Marine that passes boot, out to 300 M for every Army soldier, and all do quite well with them. You asked about max effective range for a center fire rifle using peeps and scopes. Peeps and scopes don't matter, and to illustrate that I pointed out several common uses of peeps out further than many people can shoot with a scope reliably. To be honest, max effective range for every rifle you own is out further than your 100Y range. One caliber you own is used in 1000y matches. Another is used at 600Y matches. The third caliber you have asked about is used in 100y matches. All matches mentioned use iron sights only. All calibers, in the best hands and with very good equipment are capable of knocking out 1 moa or better groups at those competitions. Instead of worrying about what your max range is, worry about how small YOU can get your groups at your 100y range. NOBODY can tell you how small that is. Every rifle is different, and all of them will turn out different group sizes.

bhk
July 4, 2010, 11:39 AM
The only real limitation you will have is the accuracy of the Mini platform itself. I have had two, both scope sighted, that were accurate enough (with a scope) to hit coyotes to about 150 yards. Although many .223s are accurate enough to shoot prairie dogs out to 350+ yards, my first Mini was prairie dog accurate to 75 yards (on a good day) and the second one (current series) maybe to 100 yards. I guess it depends on what you want to shoot.

benEzra
July 4, 2010, 12:49 PM
Grasshopper, the sights have little to do with the effective range of any cartridge. Go to your local public library and read everything they have about firearms.
He didn't ask about the effective range of the .223 cartridge, but about the effective range of a Ruger mini-14. That question does indeed depend greatly on the particular model of mini-14, as well as what kind of sights it is fitted with (the .223 cartridge is certainly capable of hitting at ranges that make it hard to clearly see the target with the unaided eye, if the rifle and the shooter are up to the task).

I used to own a 188-series Ranch Rifle that was manufactured in 1988 or 1989. From a rest and rear bag, using premium ammunition, it would shoot 5.5" groups at 100 yards on a good day. That works out to be 16"+ groups at only 300 yards and 3-foot groups at 600 yards. A newer 580-series mini that shoots 2" or 3" groups at 100 yards would be able to keep it shots on a 2-ft wide target much further out than my 188-series could.

BTW, sight adjustment limits won't be a problem for a .223 at 300 yards. Maybe for 1000, but you zero at 200-ish, you're only about 2 MOA low at 300.

Art Eatman
July 4, 2010, 02:02 PM
The OP's question was answered adequately enough, despite all the extraneous nonsense. Enough.

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