Elementary School teacher with a SA Colt .45 revolver on his desk...


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Winger Ed.
July 4, 2010, 07:28 AM
We've all heard & read several American 'guns at school' stories from the 50s - 60's.
Well,,,,,,,,,,,, Here's one from the late 1930's:

My Mom, who passed away at age 72 in 2004,
A few times,,,,,, told me of one of her experiences in Elementary School.

In the little South West Texas (one room Schoolhouse type) community where she grew up-
They had a BIG!!!! BIG!!!! problem with these 4 brothers who attended the School.
They ran off all the darn School teachers,,,, several of them.
But; their Dad was bound and determined that 'his boys' would get educated........ at least as far as the 6th grade.
In those days, that was about as far as ya needed to go in order to know how to 'read and write'.

After his kids had ran off the last teacher,,,
and they didn't have one for a year or so,,,,,,,
he offered to help hire,,, and pay the next one.....
This guy wanted his boys educated bad enough,
that he offered to match & double the next teacher's salary himself.

So,,,,,,,,,,,,,, In 1938,,,,,
The Elders of Harper, Texas (This is about 120 miles SW of San Antonio)
found, and hired a old, grizzled, retired (Horse Cavalery) US Army Colonel
to teach at their one room School House.

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This guy, born in the 1870's, (HIS Dad being a Civil War Vet)
had joined the US Army a little before 1900.

Being a Officer in the US military---
From 1900- or before, had served honorably-
and he'd retired as a Very well decorated Colonel a few years after WWI----
This was a war where there were some battles with over 100,000 casualties--- in a single day.
And in the course of his duties, had ordered hundreds of US Troops, to do things that they did not survive.
This guy had seen about all there is to see in one lifetime- more nearly several lifetimes...
Actually he'd seen things that no person should ever have to see;
as well as all the horrors anyone could ever expect another human to witness without,,,,,, well- let's stop there.
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Anyway-------
The old Colonel came to class on 'opening day' in 1938.
Paid normal Teacher's wages by the School District, and matched by 'Dad'.

He didn't have a Laser pointer to point out stuff on the blackboard, so he used his old Cavalry Saber**.

**
If anyone doesn't know what a Calvary Saber is:
Its a full length- about 3 long- sword,,, but without a sharp edge.
So,,, its a real long knife that's good for pointing at, or stabbing things,
but won't cut worth a darn.
**

Anytime one of 'the brothers' hollered at him, he hollered back- louder.....
And also whacked 'em with the side of the Saber while doing so.

When one of the 'brothers' fired a pistol into the ceiling of the Schoolhouse,,
which had always worked real well at chasing away Teachers in the past----

The old Colonel just finished what he was doing at the chalkboard.....
Set down the chalk--- or Saber.....
Then turned,,,,, picked up his old, well worn, well traveled, LOADED,
Single Action, (.45 Long) Colt revolver that always laid on top of his desk at the front of the classroom,
and fired a shot into the floor, as close to the offending 'brother' as he thought prudent at the time.

To conclude:
As Mom told the story----
Yeah, The old Colonel got her & all the other kids, as well as 'the brothers' through the 6th grade.....
It was about as easy as pulling a cat by the tail- through a cow's a$$ ,,,,,, but he did it.



I figure I've been carrying this story around long enough without sharing it..
Its time I passed it on to some of you younger guys...
Hope ya enjoyed it..


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kimberkid
July 4, 2010, 08:13 AM
That was a different time for sure ... and being politically correct hadn't been invented yet.

Thanks for sharing

wishin
July 4, 2010, 08:37 AM
Great story!

1911Tuner
July 4, 2010, 08:59 AM
Great story!

One point, though...

Cavalry sabers with their curved blades were designed to cut...not stab.

W.E.G.
July 4, 2010, 09:25 AM
I was allowed to take my gun collection, then a:
Sears single-barrel 12 gauge
Winchester 190 .22
Daisy lever-action BB
Marksman BB/pellet
Crosman 760

...to elementary school show-and-tell.

Honest injun.

Had to leave the guns behind the teachers desk during the school day, except for show and tell. When I gave my presentation, I think I killed everybody in the class. Pretty sure I bored them to death.

BCCL
July 4, 2010, 09:33 AM
I had my 25th class reunion last night, and one discussion was how our shop teacher once brought his 1911 to school to show us boys.....in 1985! (small rural school, total High School enrollment was 132) :)

Can you imagine a teacher doing that today?

loadedround
July 4, 2010, 09:55 AM
I am not quite an old codger yet, but remember growing up in a small suburban town about 10 miles outside Philadelphia. There was a fellow in my class that was an avid hunter and he used to walk to school with his 22 rifle and hunting gear carried in a soft case several times a week. He would put his rifle in the Principal's office in the morning and retrieve it after school. No one ever said a word. In my junior year I had taken machine shop and for my class project I decided to make a naval cannon. I turned a large piece of brass into shape, bored it to 12 ga complete with a touch hole. Finally mounted it in an oak carriage. This was an actual firing cannon and no one thought a thing about it then either. BTW, the cannon won an award in a Industrial Arts show at school. I had graduated high school in 1957...things have certainly changed since then.

TylerPearce
July 4, 2010, 10:11 AM
I hope you kept that cannon!

ozarkgunner
July 4, 2010, 10:27 AM
I, as well as my older brothers and sisters grew up going to Catholic schools. I went to a different one than them, I came along quite abit later and my parents ahd moved. My school years were still at a time that the teachers, Nunes, would throw erasers or what ever was handi to get your attention, or if they were close enough, you'ld get hit with a ruler or yard stick.
Which I didn't see anything wrong with. We always deserved it.

I was also an alterboy for a few years. And no, I did't get "special attention" from any of the priests. And I'm not in denial.



:Edit This was in the early 80's by the way.

Old Shooter
July 4, 2010, 10:27 AM
When I was in high school our english teacher, who was a deer hunting fool, would bring in his rifle (can't remember what model it was) along with a bandoleer of ammo and set it beside his desk during the day before season opening class. He was dressed in hunting clothing as well.

He would leave stragiht from school and head to his hunting camp and didn't want to leave the rifle unattended in his car all day while in the classroom.

That was always the most interesting day of the school year, for me anyway.

All the boys thought it was the neatest thing to see and I con't remember any of the girls complaining, it was just Mr. Robinsons thing.

Try that today and see how many years you get!

ozarkgunner
July 4, 2010, 10:30 AM
Oh, great story by the way. I think I will ask my grand parents if they ever had anything like that while they were in school. They were both born in 1925, so those stories should be interesting. They grew up in southwest Texas and western NewMexico.

Nushif
July 4, 2010, 11:17 AM
Cavalry sabers with their curved blades were designed to cut...not stab.

Fact, although I was taught (by a Cav Officer) that it was against an Honor code to actually sharpen the cutty bits.

otcconan
July 4, 2010, 11:55 AM
It was quite common at my high school, in late '80's rural Texas, for students to have gun racks in their trucks with at least a deer rifle and a shotgun in them. And also quite common for them to have a SA revolver under the seat.

Nushif
July 4, 2010, 12:32 PM
I think some of the guys in NH (semi rural area) still do have the racks and the revolvers, but no rifles in the open now.

ManDude
July 4, 2010, 06:18 PM
I graduated High School in 2006, and I remember seeing trucks in our school's parking lot with rifle racks, and of course... rifles.

While of course bringing a gun into school nowadays would be a major 'no no', here in rural 'middle of all the corn' Indiana things are somewhat lax by todays standards.

Zotter
July 4, 2010, 06:27 PM
When I was on the Jr. High School's rifle team, I was REQUIRED to bring my bolt action .22 to school for practice. Kept it and my ammo in my locker in the hallway. Rifle range was in the basement of the school.

At High School, few years later, it was normal to see rifles in student and teacher vehicles. Most of us were hunters and if you didn't need to stay late for some reason, was still time to head up the hill and try for Deer or Prairie Goat - depending on season.

Graduated HS in '81

Chemist
July 4, 2010, 06:33 PM
I was a HS teacher and started back in 2001, it isn't much different than what I had to deal with the only thing different is that back then the parents wanted their kids educated, today most just want them babysat and kept out of their hair.

phred45
July 4, 2010, 06:47 PM
Last year, and many years before, as a high school Physics teacher I received permission from the principal and school liaison officer to bring in my 1911 to show how recoil and momentum were important in the gun's operation. I also field stripped the gun in front of the class so they could see how the parts inside worked together. Usually, a good discussion of firearms. safety, and the 2A followed. It was definitely a teachable moment.

hank327
July 4, 2010, 06:48 PM
Cavalry sabers with their curved blades were designed to cut...not stab.

The last sword issued to the US Cavalry was the Model 1913 and it was a straight sword designed to use the point to thrust and not slash with the edge.
As an aside, George S. Patton was the designer of this sword.

http://arms2armor.com/Swords/1913cav.htm

KodiakBeer
July 4, 2010, 07:12 PM
Cavalry sabers with their curved blades were designed to cut...not stab.

As Nushif points out, it was against the code to sharpen your saber. If you ever check out any old swords that's the first thing you'll notice, they're dull... Even the battle notched civil war swords are uniformly unsharpened.

Napoleon used to shout "Give them the point!" whenever he ordered a cavalry charge. I guess it was OK to skewer an opponent, but you wouldn't want to slash him too badly...

Chainsaw2
July 4, 2010, 07:16 PM
I'm a fourth generation Texan, and my people lived west of Austin where the country park is north of Mansfield dam. My Great Grandfather was a school teacher in the rural school there in the early 1900's because some of those rough ranch kids had been too much for the female teachers. He was a tough old rancher and tree farmer that was also educated. So, he took the job.

The first day there he brought in the reins from the horse he rode, and explained that the foolishness was going to stop and they were going to behave and learn. If they did not, then they would get a thrashing with the reins. Of course two boys tried him and he lit them up properly and sent them home for the day. One kid threatened him with their father coming back and giving him a beating. They should have known better, as his reputation in that area had long been established.

The father did come there mouthing off after school let out, and Grgrandfather gave him a good solid beating. Thereafter, everyone behaved... especially if he was anywhere around.

And yes, he carried a Winchester on his saddle every day.

jim

KodiakBeer
July 4, 2010, 07:17 PM
The last sword issued to the US Cavalry was the Model 1913 and it was a straight sword designed to use the point to thrust and not slash with the edge.

Note too, that even though it's straight it's still a "Saber".

Patton ripped of his sword/saber design from the 1907 Spanish Puerto Seguro, which is an even better manufactured sword (saber) than the Patton. You can pick these up on Ebay for as low as $50 if you know what to look for. I've got three of them in my collection and I think they are the finest swords ever made.

Webbj0219
July 4, 2010, 07:20 PM
Ive shot guns in my high school grounds about 10 years ago. It was a private school in NH. Thats probably why. We had a civil war fare. the school rented about 30 muzzleloaders from rileys gun shop. We loaded them with black powder only and i think a cotton ball( cant quit remember) and we where shooting these things for about a week for rehersals. Also took a few class trips to the firing range. This was in the late nineties or 2000. Nice things happen when you dont go to public school

Buck Snort
July 4, 2010, 09:00 PM
Winger Ed wrote: "It was about as easy as pulling a cat by the tail- through a cow's a$$ ,,,,,,"


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!

1911Tuner
July 4, 2010, 09:23 PM
As Nushif points out, it was against the code to sharpen your saber.

Maybe the code had another purpose aside from honor.

It's understood among swordsmen that the edge cuts, but it's the point that kills. Maybe wounding was better as it tied up support personnel tending to the wounded. Also, a dull edge creates a gaping, painful wound instead of a clean cut as with a sharp edge. After battle screams were as demoralizing in 1863 as they are today. So...maybe the code was more sinister than it would seem at first glance. Who knows...

Jim Watson
July 4, 2010, 09:32 PM
There was one Southern guerrilla who was hanged when taken by the Yankees on the grounds that he was fiendish enough to sharpen his sabre into a slashing weapon.

Pictures I have seen of a proper cavalry charge showed the sabre at arms length, point forward, curve UP. Almost like a lance.

MarkDozier
July 5, 2010, 08:48 AM
A little modern gun toting in school. Recently a TX school district gave teachers premission to carry at school.

Guncollector1982
July 5, 2010, 09:29 PM
My dad told me when he was a kid living in rural nebraska his bus driver pheasant hunted on the way to and from school. Carried a shotgun on the bus. Im not very old but i frequently forgot to take my guns out of my gun rack and the shop teacher would always look the other way well i stuck them behind the seat. Now i dont even want a gun rack in the window cause people i think have changed or enough have that to me its to much advertisement plus i cant imagine what even a tiny school like mine would say or do now.

hangovur
July 5, 2010, 09:51 PM
About 10-11 years ago when I was in H.S. We were allowed to have unloaded shotguns and rifles secured in the truck. After Columbine that all ended however. After that, simply having a pocket knife was an expulsion.

This was rural Florida.

XxWINxX94
July 5, 2010, 10:02 PM
Wow, great story! Where I'm at, if the school even suspects anyone of having airsoft/bb guns at school, they are suspended/expelled.

Rail Driver
July 5, 2010, 10:11 PM
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wwi-cavalry-sabre-sword

According to The New Cavalry Equipment, an article appearing in the September 1912 issue of the Journal of the United States cavalry Association, the saber was designed to be a cut and thrust weapon. It had a two-edged blade with a chisel point. The blade was of forged steel and the sword was thirty-eight inches in overall length. It weighed two pounds. The blade was manufactured with blood-letting grooves running down each side to within 4-3/4 inches of the point.

Hank327, you're right about the designer and the fact that it was straight, but it WAS actually double edged, and designed to slash and thrust.

Great story, it reminds me of some of my grandfather's stories about the "old days".

MinnMooney
July 5, 2010, 10:22 PM
I was allowed to take my gun collection, then a:
Sears single-barrel 12 gauge
Winchester 190 .22
Daisy lever-action BB
Marksman BB/pellet
Crosman 760

...to elementary school show-and-tell.

What year, pray-tell.

KC9LDB
July 5, 2010, 10:38 PM
What a cool thread, especially for a suburban 22 year old kid that grew up around people who shunned guns anywhere. I Wish I was around in that time where it was still looked at as normal.

kbbailey
July 6, 2010, 12:19 AM
Winger ed....
great story. sounds much like some of the old schools here in Illinois back in the day.
My grandmother was a schoolteacher in a one room school here. She rode a horse to school every day. My dad tells that he and grandad would ride down to the river after a storm to make sure she swam her horse back across safely!!
Once she got the buckle of her overcoat hooked on the saddlehorn and nearly drowned.
She had a horse that wanted to rear every time she got in the saddle, so she usually had a stick of stovewood in her hand when she swung aboard, just in case the horse needed a little education.
The good 'ol days

NMGonzo
July 6, 2010, 12:09 PM
I went to pubic a public school in south america.

Having to do push ups in lieu of calling your parents was an act of mercy.

I am 40 years old now and I can still do 50 pushups because my elementary school education.

If you were to be dumb, you would be fit.

Winger Ed.
July 11, 2010, 02:38 AM
Thanks yawl.
Its a story I'd heard from my Mom,,,,,, MANY,,,MANY TIMES..
Like another one where------ The Nimitz family was one of the "neighbors'...
And their little boy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
whose first name was 'Admiral',,,, was the guest Speaker at Mom's HS Graduation.

Anyway:

When I come here,
of the amount of time I have to spend 'poott'n', its common to see:
375-- or more--- viewing.
Then come back the next day and see about 12 new postings on the 2-3 forums I visit.

Well,
I want to take this opportunity to thank you all.

1. Mods: Thank you for not 'Zapping' my posts. For any reason, it they needed it or not.
2. Lurkers: Thank you for not making your one post every 3 years- just to condem me.
3. Regular Posters:
Thank your for your comments, your spiritous discussion, your acceptance, and your courtious tollerance of me.

The way I see it------
The Mods. basically direct traffic, and keep the sidewalks clean.
Lurkers-- I'm not exactly sure what they contribute to the site, but I'm sure its rather minimal.
You regular posters---
Its you that makes this web site what it is, You give this place it's "Personality".
And I want to thank you again for recieving me so well, and making me feel welcome here.

.

paintballdude902
July 11, 2010, 03:30 AM
i ahd a former marine that taught spanish at my high school, still there from what i hear, i was talking to him with a few friends one day and we got on the topic of guns. he said he never goes anywhere without his .45. when i asked if he carried at school he says "not gonna answer that but refer to what i said before"

never had an issue after i graduated i saw him while i was eating out and he said "to answer your question from before yes i carry at school" he told me he figured if something went down it was him or them and it wasnt going to be him. our resource officer apparently knew and all he said is if i see it im gonna have to arrest you but if i dont then i dont.



moral of the story concealed means concealed

Winger Ed.
July 11, 2010, 04:21 AM
What a cool thread, especially for a suburban 22 year old kid that grew up around people who shunned guns anywhere. I Wish I was around in that time where it was still looked at as normal.
You're in good company young fella.
If you dig around and find a old biography of Sam. Colt.....

There's quotes in there where the neighbors called the local Sherriff on him for shooting off (evil) guns on Sunday.

What he was actually doing was testing his new designs & prototypes-
with the only free time he had between jobs.

As a young man- he suffered through all this, and gave us- what led to be:
The first mass produced, "effective", and affordable....... 'cap & ball' revolver.
After that,,,,,,, shall we say, "The rest is History".

cambeul41
July 11, 2010, 07:55 AM
Seems to me that if one is on a charging horse and thrusts a saber into an enemy, in all likelihood one is either going to have the saber ripped out of his hand, or be yanked out of the saddle, or both.

Sav .250
July 11, 2010, 08:53 AM
Nothing like the,"good old days." Law and order was still rule #1. :)

doubleh
July 11, 2010, 09:53 AM
Many years ago I was in a shop that dealt in antique arms. The dealer had a saber and looked old enough to have actually carried it himself. He pointed out the dull edge and explained that it was designed not to cut but to break bones, as in collarbones, shoulders, and arms, to disable the opponent.

NCSteveH
July 11, 2010, 10:32 AM
I agree things have changed, I graduated in the late 80's and can honestly say that from the second week of October till February 28th I had a shotgun in my trunk as did most of my friends, bell rang at 1:25 and we were in the woods by 1:45. I would not want to try that today.

Joe Demko
July 11, 2010, 10:54 AM
Keep in mind that a properly wielded saber has more than just the strength of a cavalryman's arm behind it. A trained cavalryman learns to use the speed and momentum of his mount to power his strikes. The period sabers I've seen were not sharpened like a knife, the edge was beveled but not keen. These were weapons from a time when they were still battlefield weapons and horse cavalry important. If they weren't sharpened to a keen edge, I expect the military of the day had what they considered good reason for the policy.

TimboKhan
July 12, 2010, 08:36 AM
There was a fellow in my class that was an avid hunter and he used to walk to school with his 22 rifle and hunting gear carried in a soft case several times a week.

I graduated from a rural school here in Colorado in 1990, and we used to bring our shotguns to school during goose season. Same thing, carried them in cased and kept them in the principles office and then after school we would go sit in a blind that we had built that was in one of the fields next to the school. Not just us, but also some of the staff, principle included.

Fleetman
July 12, 2010, 09:06 AM
Back in the late 60's me and a few friends all shot skeet after school on a military base where we all lived and were allowed to bring our shotguns and shells to school.....we had to keep them in our lockers but only a lucky few had gun cases....I carried my 870 without a case and shells were in a lunch box.

My math teacher was fascinated with guns having never fired/handled one herself and asked if she could tag along one day. After her first outing she was hooked, bought her own shotgun, and shot skeet regularly from then on.

Coyote3855
July 12, 2010, 10:05 AM
Okay, I was in junior high school in a small town in Eastern Colorado in 1957. The science teacher sponsored a "conservation club." We took field trips, had hunting instruction in class, and got to hand out with game wardens. The club owned four .22 rifles, one each bolt action, lever action (Marlin 39), a pump, and a semi auto. With a note from your parents and after passing an extensive safety class, you could check out one of the rifles for the weekend. The teacher had a connection with the NRA, and a supply of .22 standard velocity you could buy for $0.50 a box. I think the only restriction was that you couldn't take the rifle/ammo home on the school bus.

Deltaboy
July 12, 2010, 03:16 PM
I got out in 1984 from HS we got to bring our hunting guns to HS everyday. We took them some times to the IA Shop for stock refinishing or re-blueing. We also brought the dogs to school and tied them out under the truck with water and food for after school duck hunting. I took several coaches and teachers hunting on the farm during HS.

My Father is a contractor and he works at schools and keeps guns behind the seat all the time. He is retiring this Fall and I am glad the rural area I grew up in has not changed enough for him to get in trouble.

CoRoMo
July 12, 2010, 03:38 PM
Awesome story. I'm too young to have one of my own. I was friends with a guy who brought a handgun to high school. He was the first kid to ever do it in our little town and get charged with a crime. It was a HUGE deal; probably the biggest event of that school year. He was kicked out and he moved away. I remember the principal was visibly in a rage for several days thereafter.

Anyway, the OP reminded me of my granddad's story. Here it is:
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My grandfather, God rest his soul, told us grandkids of how he and his brother carried a .22 rifle into school everyday; sometimes it was a shotgun. Everyday through elementary school. Back then, several different grade levels met together in the rural one-room schoolhouse.

Him and his brother ran a route of fur traps on their way to the paved road, where they would get on the bus for school. They had to have a gun with them everyday to dispatch the animals that were still kick'n when they arrived at each trap. When they got to the bus, and to the schoolroom, they'd simply lean the gun in the corner and get to the learn'n.

As he was telling us the story one time, he mentioned that skunk pelts were fairly valuable. One of us exclaimed "You skinned skunks! Didn't that make you stink?" He said, "I guess so... well, now that I think of it, nobody would ever sit next to us on the bus".

I have to think they also took the pelts or dead critters to school with them.

Ashcons
July 12, 2010, 04:55 PM
I graduated high school in rural Northern California (couple hours East of Mt. Shasta) and it was common to see rifles & shotguns on racks in pickups in the student parking lot. That was 11 years ago, though and the mindset even there might have changed a bit since then.

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