ID this scope base?


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Average Guy
July 4, 2010, 03:58 PM
Gents, here's a puzzler from the early 80s. I'm trying to ID the scope base used on Snake Plissken's MAC-10 in "Escape from New York." It's one piece and is shaped sort of like a dog bone (two bases connected by a slim center rail). The scope rings have a solid post and somehow insert into the base (they don't clamp on as with a dovetail or picatinny rail). I know that Burris and Leupold make one-piece bases; they're similar, but don't look the same.

The same gun (evidently a Stembridge rental piece) was used in an episode of "The Greatest American Hero," pictured here with a new paint job. (I'll post better screen grabs soon.)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=123653&d=1278269362

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=123654&d=1278269362

Any help at all, including wild speculation, welcomed. (In fact, I'll take any info at all about the gun's accessories.) Thanks.

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rcmodel
July 4, 2010, 04:02 PM
My wild speculation is that it's a hand-made movie prop scope base made to put a stupid scope on a stupid silenced Mac-10 prop gun for a stupid movie.

There, hows that?

The scope is a Redfield, and the rings probably are too.

BTW: If you look close, you might note that the scope is mounted bass akwards on the gun.
The eye-piece is facing foreward, and "Snake" is looking in the objective lens.
Plus, the windage knob is on the left, not the right side of the scope so it would work bass akwards too.

Also, the scope is way far off from being mounted straight up & down. Note the left leaning elevation (windage?) turret knob.

rc

Average Guy
July 4, 2010, 06:14 PM
Hot diggity! They certainly do look like Redfield rings. Thanks.

Same scope?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=123668&stc=1&d=1278278005

Also, Mr. Plissken would like a word...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=123667&stc=1&d=1278277724

rcmodel
July 4, 2010, 06:21 PM
No. Not even the same scope, or the same gun as shown in the first post.
The scope in the little photo is a Leupold. Can't tell on the big photo of Snake holding the gun. But at least they put it on the gun with the objective lens facing the right direction.

And no, the "mook" in the OP didn't look like Snake to me either.

rc

Average Guy
July 4, 2010, 06:50 PM
Not the same gun, not even with new paint? Well, you haven't let me down so far...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=123669&stc=1&d=1278279945

This here is the gun I'm concerned with--its scope, base and rings. Based on your info and what I've seen online, that looks like a Redfield base and rings (note the screw at the back). Do you concur? Leupold scope?

Any opinion on the fake can? (I was trying not to just post a picture and say, "Hey, tell me everything there is about this gun." But whatever works.)

Thanks again.

Jim Watson
July 4, 2010, 07:21 PM
Not a Leupold scope.
Three prop guns illustrated, three different scopes.

Average Guy
July 4, 2010, 08:15 PM
You guys are not making this easy on me. :)

rcmodel
July 5, 2010, 01:04 PM
See, the little scope in the photo in post #3 is a Leupold fixed power. You can tell because of the famous Leupold trademark "Gold Ring" on the objective lens bell.

The other one is a Redfield variable. You can tell because of the trademark knurled rings on the power adjustment on the eyepiece.

The third one Mr. Bling is holding in post #5 appears to be a cheap Japanese or Chinese fixed power scope judging from the huge trademark crest on the eye-piece bell. (Or maybe its just the finish scraped off? Hard to tell.)

Yes, the base is a Leupold or Redfield std type with dovetail front ring and windage adjustment rear screws.

The other thing I failed to mention is eye relief.
All three of those scopes appear to be standard rifle scopes. As such, with them mounted so far forward on the can, you would have to hold the MAC-10 receiver against your cheek bone to see anything through them.

rc

Average Guy
July 5, 2010, 02:26 PM
Not disputing the impracticality of it at all. Just trying to get the details right.

Thanks for your help.

Average Guy
July 14, 2010, 03:03 PM
Back to the scope on the gun the Duke is holding: It appears to have a silver ring around the front of the objective bell. Could it be a Lyman? (The adjustment knobs look like Brownells, though.) The "crest" sort of looks like a spade, but since it's on the side of the bell and not on top, I don't think it's a manufacturer logo (maybe paint?).

rcmodel
July 14, 2010, 04:49 PM
The "silver ring" is just the light reflecting off the knurling on the objective lens lock ring nut.

I still think it is a cheap Jap or Chinese scope of the day.
They were real big on flashy logo's printed somewhere on the scope in gold ink.
Might even be the old Herters logo.

rc

Andrew Wyatt
August 16, 2010, 01:19 PM
those certainly look like the same base and gun to me. redfield one piece base, for sure.

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