How China views gun sales in America


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harmonic
July 4, 2010, 05:53 PM
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/guns-in-america-wal-marts-chinese-netizen-reactions.html#comments





This is how America’s Wal-Mart sell guns (This is from the prospective of a visiting Chinese tourist.



Today, while visiting Wal-Mart, I took a photo while at the gun sales counter. The guns were sold in a rotating glass display case just like this with price tags attached. If interested, you just ask the salesperson to take it out for you to examine. Being able to buy a gun while buying groceries at Wal-Mart, convenient.

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guns-for-sale-walmart-02-560x406.jpg


In this glass display case are different types of ammunition.

http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/guns-for-sale-walmart-03.jpg


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I’d like to ask the lou zhu a question. It may be very naive but please be so kind as to give me an answer. Since guns are sold like this in America, is their government not afraid of social problems? Right now in Shanghai, the supermarkets selling cooking knives have also locked them inside glass display cases like this.







Because the hostility between their people is not as deep as it is with us, which is to say they are harmonious in the true meaning and not river crab. Hehe.







China bans guns and aside from political reasons, it may be because the government has considered that there are too many neurotic people in China, people who will bark/howl for no reason. If these kind of people had guns, imagine how bad it would be. (I’m referring to the issue, not people, so I hope certain people will keep that in mind before responding).







I think the American Constitution has a part that says the citizens have the right to overthrow an authoritarian government…it is what I have heard, not sure if it is true or not.

But in China, that is not possible, and the key is that the character of the people [on average] is not there yet. If firearms were available for sale in China, then we’d probably have to wear bullet-proof vests in order to go out.







Our country’s people have treachery/trouble-making in their bones. You can see it now, in all of China, no one respects anyone else. Learned men scorn each other and military men are lowly to each other, this place cursing that place. If everyone in China had guns, then the country would be torn apart. Even though everyone speaks Chinese, everyone has a different heart. Are we lacking lessons from history?!!







Only with citizens who have high restraint and a society with relatively few injustices would [a country] dare be like this.







If this were China, the number of crime-related deaths would increase ten times. Therefore, America’s gun deaths is still very little. In the future [if guns were allowed in China], those who are involved in forced demolitions and chengguan would not be so niubi anymore. Pressure us and they’ll just shoot you a few times.







America is a country that was built up from the first shot of the Battle of Lexington.

And the biggest reason they were victorious at the time was because the ordinary people had guns.







When everyone has guns, no one is afraid of a few people having guns. If it is fear of overthrowing the government, there is no need. If the current government in power truly doesn’t follow the people’s will, in four years at most, they will have to step down and at worst there are still impeachment procedures. There is no need to use knives and guns [no need for violence], truly not worth it. If one wants to express one’s political views, one can organize one’s own political party. Although America in reality is only a two-party system, there still exist other political parties, and what more, the constitution protects the participation of every political party, with the most powerful non-mainstream parties like the Green Party normally getting around 10% of the vote. If one day, this party were to replace the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, the constitution would also protect it. And when there is social disorder, there is the SWAT. With so many people having guns in America, I don’t think a little handgun or a small hunting rifle can cause any social impact.







The reason why America allows the ordinary people to possess guns is to prevent dictatorship…when that happens, the people can revolt…

Over time, Americans have developed the habit of not using guns even if they have them. Or maybe they are bound by ideas of individual heroism, believing that men should use fists to fight it out, and not relying on guns.

But in our country, the once proper so quick to resort to taking up knives, if there were guns, definitely within 10 years, the population of Chinese people would probably be reduced by half…haha.

PS: America as a country has the highest penetration of firearms in the world, with one gun per capita, but the number of Americans that die under the barrel of a gun are only a trivial 30,000…

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General Geoff
July 4, 2010, 06:06 PM
Very interesting, thanks for posting.

SoberSunday01
July 4, 2010, 06:06 PM
I'm not sure where you were going with this, but I hope they view us with a twinge of jealousy. I think every American gun owner should be a model of safe and responsible gun ownership. I am trying my best to be that type of person. Safe and responsible gun owners will do nothing but benefit the society they live in. Right?

preachnhunt
July 4, 2010, 06:10 PM
Thanks for posting. it looks like some of the chinese respondents have a better understanding of our rights than many of our own people.

harmonic
July 4, 2010, 06:11 PM
I'm not sure where you were going with this

They understand our Constitutional guarantees better than many of our politicians.


The reason why America allows the ordinary people to possess guns is to prevent dictatorship…when that happens, the people can revolt…

Sam1911
July 4, 2010, 06:21 PM
That is humbling. Those observers, raised so differently from any of "us" and (for lack of a more appropriate word) indoctrinated into a system of government, and culture supporting it, wholly authoritarian -- discern so clearly how our culture both empowers us and leads us to show personal restraint and responsibility.

I doubt 1 out of 10 "men on the street" here in the U.S. could explain this so well.

Harmonic, thank you for sharing this.

jfh
July 4, 2010, 06:29 PM
I found it was worthwhile to follow the link--I was able to read more comments, which I are assume were translated from the native Chinese. It's a mixed bag of commentary, ranging from trolls on up--but, when I read more, I felt like I was gaining some insight into how 'typical' / younger Chinese, with Internet access, view the US.

Jim H.

Onward Allusion
July 4, 2010, 06:42 PM
Refreshing that some foreigners understand our constitution (at least the 2nd amendment) better than some politicians.

Webbj0219
July 4, 2010, 06:53 PM
Reminds me of something Ive learned with dealing with children. They will usually rise to the level of expectation. How this relates? If a government treats its citizens like imature children then thats probable how they are going to behave. If they are treated as mature and allowed responsibility then they will live up to that. The USA government assumes that we will be responsible with guns and in turn allows them freely(for the most part). And we act responsibly with them(for the most part).

One another note Guns arent really needed. Im sure citizens could overthrough the government without them. You could go and attack someone breaking into your house with your fists. Or hike in bear country with nothing but a walking stick. May be simpler that way. But for me Id rather have a gun. makes my contribution more effective.

FIVETWOSEVEN
July 4, 2010, 07:57 PM
I have a friend that lives in China. She believes that gun ownership would be good regardless of being raised in China.

mljdeckard
July 4, 2010, 08:07 PM
Um, yeah. wow. I never would have expected such knowledgeable insights on a board of theirs. I certainly would have to cheat to be able to comment on their system as they did on ours.

The majority of them know EXACTLY what the RKBA means and what difference it makes in our lives.

migkillertwo
July 4, 2010, 08:22 PM
Go to a real gun shop that has the M1As, AR-15s, and AK-47s hanging behind the main showcase and show your buddies!

Buck Snort
July 4, 2010, 08:47 PM
I've been to China three times, I like the Chinese. They are a warm people if treated decently. Their government SUCKS even worse than ours but the people are really good.

JoeSlomo
July 4, 2010, 09:09 PM
So many folks just don't appreciate what we have here in the states, and for most, it will take LOSING our rights and privileges before they do.

Look at our dismal voting record...

Very few folks vote, however, tell them they CAN'T and see what happens.

dmancornell
July 4, 2010, 09:11 PM
I grew up over there. All the schools there teach the kids to trust and love their tyrants. This kind of independent thinking is refreshing.

heron
July 4, 2010, 09:20 PM
Strangely fitting, to see this posted on Independence Day . . .

menacingsquirrel
July 4, 2010, 09:42 PM
heron, well said!

Beagle-zebub
July 5, 2010, 12:09 AM
The first comple comments were the best: the ones about how the Chinese are too instinctively troublesome, or twitchy, to own guns. And understand that by "best," I mean the most insane.

China bans guns and aside from political reasons, it may be because the government has considered that there are too many neurotic people in China, people who will bark/howl for no reason.
--Chinese Citizen

That's sig-line material right there

jeepguy
July 5, 2010, 12:19 AM
good post, it is fascinating how other people from all parts of the world view us.

toycruiser71
July 5, 2010, 12:37 AM
Great post. Thank you for sharing it!

nathan
July 5, 2010, 12:42 AM
I met several Hongkong citizens who are now in the US. This was at the range and this one guy has an expensive beltfed RPD weapon, I think its made out of a Polish kit sold by classicarms.us. He was shooting nonstop finishing the 75 rds. And they were nice to let me squeeze a few rounds out of that nice set up.

MinnMooney
July 5, 2010, 12:45 AM
it looks like some of the chinese respondents have a better understanding of our rights than many of our own people.

Ya beat me to it, preachnhunt.

Hondo 60
July 5, 2010, 11:27 AM
I'd be willing to bet that after an initial adjustment period, China would have the same problems as America if they were allowed to have guns.

99% of the population would respectful, law abiding citizens & 1% would be the criminal element.


Of course during the adjustment period, there would be civil anarchy. :D

(not that war is anything to smile about)

Guns and more
July 5, 2010, 01:09 PM
How China views gun sales in America
I hope it scares the crap out of them.

"You will never defeat the U.S. There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

NMGonzo
July 5, 2010, 01:20 PM
As a foreigner in the U.S. I concur with the Chinese posters.

No dictator of any persuasion will last long as long as the common-folk is armed.

The privately owned "evil black rifle" IS the arm of the "check and balance" system.

Signed.

Owner of a "evil black rifle".

ozarkgunner
July 5, 2010, 02:43 PM
They're concerened about how we sell guns here, how about how they sell kitchen knives and hammers. I do recall 3 or so articles about some "crazed man" with a knife/hammer attacking children in schools.
Should we ban the sale of anything with a sharp edge, point, anything capable of being swung, butter knives, pens, pencils. Do I need to keep going? China's government is affraid of people being able to tell their govt to go to hell and let them live freely like we do. Which unfortunately seems to be where some people here in the states are affraid of is going to happen, and most likely will happen if Liberals keep trying to push their crap.

Sam1911
July 5, 2010, 03:09 PM
They're concerened about how we sell guns here, how about how they sell kitchen knives and hammers.

I think maybe you read a different set of comments than I did. I'm reading a great deal of understanding of just what a right to bear arms means for American society. I'm reading these Chinese folks' making rational and accurate -- and deeply respectful -- comments about the character of the American citizen and the deferential nature of our government.

What I find distressing is that so many of them obviously do not quite believe that they or their fellow citizens can be trusted with that much freedom and responsibility.

Jim K
July 5, 2010, 03:10 PM
The Chinese seem to have a clearer idea of the meaning of the Second Amendment than many Americans.

The one commentator also is quite perceptive in seeing that if the people have guns, they know they can take action if absolutely necessary, and so will be less likely to use armed force in any situation short of an extreme emergency.

Jim

geekWithA.45
July 5, 2010, 03:16 PM
why are all the Chinese commenting in English?

trickyasafox
July 5, 2010, 03:19 PM
I have had the very good pleasure to get to know a number of Korean and Chinese citizens through graduate school. Both cultures, though different, have been very thoughtful and reflective in nearly all of my interactions with them. These comments don't surprise me in the least. In America, and other low context cultures, we tend to say things more off the cuff and without much reflection. Other cultures really put a lot more value in discourse, and say things with a lot of thought put into their positions.

This is not to say that Americans are all crass, but it makes sense (to me at least) why John Q Citizen in China says things that seem to have been actually thought out and here in the US our comment threads on some newspaper articles (not here on THR) turn into digital slug fests.

geekwitha45- China has literally millions of English speakers- and its a very popular area of study in school, so I'm not surprised that the comments are in English. Though they may have been translated.

jeepmor
July 5, 2010, 03:20 PM
Interesting thread. I've always given a great deal of respect to our foreign enemies and allies troops who get tossed into the fray by their governments. Let's face it, the common man or woman, like most of us, really has no beef with another pursuing life, liberty and happiness as long as they don't tread on each other. I feel this way regardless of the shackles he or she is born into via their local government.

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 03:29 PM
posted by geekwitha45
why are all the Chinese commenting in English?

because unlike most Americans, they aren't defined by being able to only speak one language :rolleyes:

i believe i read on another forum, discussing the same thread, that the comments on this site were indeed translated into English. but i will point out that the study of English is mandatory during higher education in the PRC

Warhawk83
July 5, 2010, 04:00 PM
That was very refreshing to read. Very respectful and I must say that honestly put a smile on my face. It does bother me that some believe their own people couldn't handle the responsibility of firearm ownership.

Thanks for posting the link,makes me even more proud to be an American.

Fatelvis
July 5, 2010, 04:23 PM
Who really cares what China thinks?

Haifisch
July 5, 2010, 04:31 PM
Who really cares what China thinks?

I know I dont care what China thinks, or any other country for that matter.

hirundo82
July 5, 2010, 04:36 PM
I don't find these comments too surprising. It seems like people raised under an authoritarian government who come to the United States are particularly appreciative of their rights, including the right to keep and bear arms as a check on a tyrannical government. It is particularly noticeable in immigrants from the former Soviet Union, but it doesn't surprise me that mainland Chinese recognize this as well.

Fatelvis
July 5, 2010, 04:40 PM
It is particularly noticeable in immigrants from the former Soviet Union, but it doesn't surprise me that mainland Chinese recognize this as well.
I think Stalin and Mao are still pretty fresh in thier minds. Here, however, alot of people think that "it can't happen here".

Mr.Davis
July 5, 2010, 05:03 PM
Interesting that the general consensus there is that America is a relatively non-violent society considering the number of guns here. A number also imply that they don't believe their fellow Chinese would be as trustworthy because of deep divides within their culture.

Amazing that these people, held under the boot of communism, understand our Constitution and the reason for the RKBA better than the average American.

Of course, most antis don't like to hear about the self-defense and anti-tyrannical uses of guns because those thoughts are just too disturbing for their birds and butterflies world view. They don't want to confront the nasty reality that good governments do go bad with alarming regularity...the Chinese, of course, have witnessed that first hand.

Sam1911
July 5, 2010, 05:07 PM
Who really cares what China thinks?

I don't think the point of posting this was that we are supposed to "care" what people from other places think.

You don't have to "care" (read, react to, agree with, internalize, abide by, etc) what other people think to learn something from their words.

In this case I'm refreshed to discover that things which I hold to be true and dear to me -- but which are sometimes refuted, ignored, or denigrated by some of my fellow citizens -- may be understood intitively (absent even the supporting social context) by people from other places.

When random Chinese people observing a photograph from a WalMart and a brief caption of explanation can inferr the entire basis of what it (should) mean to us to be a full Citizen of a free country endowed by our Creator/Nature with the right to access to lethal force and the responsibility to resist tyrranical rule -- well, that is just about breath-taking. Quite a validation of the clarity of our own framers' vision of what our country could, should, and MUST be.

Mr.Davis
July 5, 2010, 05:11 PM
Who really cares what China thinks?

I know I dont care what China thinks, or any other country for that matter.
Way to completely miss the point, guys.

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 05:18 PM
They don't want to confront the nasty reality that good governments do go bad with alarming regularity...the Chinese, of course, have witnessed that first hand.

actually they haven't, they have never had a government that worked better than the one they currently have. they currently have better housing, access to food, self improvement and a sense of security from government excesses than ever before in their history.

you have to remember that their history goes through petty kingdoms, emperors, warlords and communist rule

lonegunman
July 5, 2010, 05:20 PM
I bet they consider it important because it makes invasion impossible. They sent Obama here to take them away as a first step towards domination. The reason the socialists/democrats/marxists/communists fear guns in America is that guns give free people the ability to resist oppression by tyrants and/or billionares from eastern europe.

230therapy
July 5, 2010, 05:21 PM
Gosh...they'd have a heart attack if they read the biographies of George Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Whitman, etc. I think they'd keel over dead if they ever read their writings.

Mr.Davis
July 5, 2010, 05:24 PM
actually they haven't, they have never had a government that worked better than the one they currently have. they currently have better housing, access to food, self improvement and a sense of security from government excesses than ever before in their history.

you have to remember that their history goes through petty kingdoms, emperors, warlords and communist rule
The Chinese fear their current government. Regardless of the outward facing facade they project, the Chinese people are subject to torture, tyranny, and death at the hands of their leaders.

My point is that they understand the fear of a government that is beyond their control. Tienanmen Square is a memory of many people there.

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 05:24 PM
they'd have a heart attack if they read the biographies of George Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Whitman, etc. I think they'd keel over dead if they ever read their writings.

China has a long history of revolutionaries and reformers to their government...that's why they now keep such tight reins on the military

sonier
July 5, 2010, 05:25 PM
Made me feel good reading that :) we need to find that guy and give him a citizen ship to the US ;)

Tommygunn
July 5, 2010, 05:25 PM
.... they have never had a government that worked better than the one they currently have. they currently have better housing, access to food, self improvement and a sense of security from government excesses than ever before in their history.

you have to remember that their history goes through petty kingdoms, emperors, warlords and communist rule.

And don't forget Tianemman Square.:scrutiny:;)

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 05:27 PM
The Chinese fear their current government. Regardless of the outward facing facade they project, the Chinese people are subject to torture, tyranny, and death at the hands of their leaders.

you post that as if it was a change from what they had before. the middle class that was lost after the Revolution has returned with a vengeance...much faster and more powerful than the Central Committee expected

230therapy
July 5, 2010, 05:30 PM
I love that last comment:

300 million people, 30,000 firearms deaths are described as "trivial".


We whine and moan and groan about that number. Heck, we whine about 35 casualties in a month in Afganistan.

In China...they'd love to have a number that low. Just to illustrate:

Our Civil War had between 600,000-700,000 casualties. Theirs, from 1850-1864, had an estimated 20 million casualties. And they didn't even have the benefit of many "modern" black powder rifles and cannon. They had armies from 1 to 3 million men! Think what General Lee could have done with an army that huge!!!

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 05:34 PM
And don't forget Tianemman Square

that was a huge speedbump in China's road to...if not Democracy...less central control and a more pragmatic economy. there was huge support for the movement by certain members of the Central Committees, but the hardliners used the fear of the speed of change demanded by the students to sway enough support to crush the students and remove their supporters from power

Mr.Davis
July 5, 2010, 05:39 PM
you post that as if it was a change from what they had before. the middle class that was lost after the Revolution has returned with a vengeance...much faster and more powerful than the Central Committee expected
Again, you're getting really wrapped around the axle when that's not my point.

Let's strip it all down: The Chinese have a history of governments that deserve to be feared. They recognize that we wrote the RKBA into our Constitution to protect against tyrannical governments.

This is an easy concept for them to understand because they have experienced so much unrest and government-sponsored tyranny. It's hard for our average anti-gunner whose idea of a crisis is a shortage of tomato paste on spaghetti night. A government that turns violently against its people (or one particular group) is not an abstract concept to the Chinese. It's just that to the average American.

Fatelvis
July 5, 2010, 07:38 PM
Who really cares what China thinks?

Quote:
I know I dont care what China thinks, or any other country for that matter.

Way to completely miss the point, guys.
Mr. Davis, I'm sorry for the rash way of answering the thread, but lately it seems this country is overly concerned with the opinions of outside Countries. China in particular, is getting under my skin, with thier toxic products being sold here, and how we owe them more money than we'll ever be able to repay. I think our relationship with them is becoming one of dependance, which is the first straw of the demise of this Country. We're selling this place to them!

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 08:20 PM
A government that turns violently against its people (or one particular group) is not an abstract concept to the Chinese. It's just that to the average American.

i'll agree with this...i sometimes forget that many folks have forgotten about WWII

Hatterasguy
July 5, 2010, 08:26 PM
This is an easy concept for them to understand because they have experienced so much unrest and government-sponsored tyranny. It's hard for our average anti-gunner whose idea of a crisis is a shortage of tomato paste on spaghetti night. A government that turns violently against its people (or one particular group) is not an abstract concept to the Chinese. It's just that to the average American.

Exactly. They can appreciate our right to bear arms much better than we can because we havn't experianced tyranny since we drove the British out. Our Founding Fathers knew what it was like. They knew what could happen when good governments go bad. The Chinese live with that every day, they live with a government that could take everything from them one day for no reason and ship them off to prison for the rest of their lives.

People forget that, or say it can't happen here. They said the exact same thing in Germany in the 1930's. They beleived it to right up until the Gestapo came knocking.

It was a very interesting post.

killchain
July 5, 2010, 08:29 PM
I don't think the point of posting this was that we are supposed to "care" what people from other places think.

You don't have to "care" (read, react to, agree with, internalize, abide by, etc) what other people think to learn something from their words.

In this case I'm refreshed to discover that things which I hold to be true and dear to me -- but which are sometimes refuted, ignored, or denigrated by some of my fellow citizens -- may be understood intitively (absent even the supporting social context) by people from other places.

When random Chinese people observing a photograph from a WalMart and a brief caption of explanation can inferr the entire basis of what it (should) mean to us to be a full Citizen of a free country endowed by our Creator/Nature with the right to access to lethal force and the responsibility to resist tyrranical rule -- well, that is just about breath-taking. Quite a validation of the clarity of our own framers' vision of what our country could, should, and MUST be.

I completely second this.

9mmepiphany
July 5, 2010, 08:57 PM
they live with a government that could take everything from them one day for no reason and ship them off to prison for the rest of their lives.

People forget that, or say it can't happen here. They said the exact same thing in Germany in the 1930's. They beleived it to right up until the Gestapo came knocking.


they don't even need to look that far abroad, just look what Americans did to the Japanese in continental United States during that war

Mr.Davis
July 5, 2010, 09:17 PM
Mr. Davis, I'm sorry for the rash way of answering the thread, but lately it seems this country is overly concerned with the opinions of outside Countries. China in particular, is getting under my skin, with thier toxic products being sold here, and how we owe them more money than we'll ever be able to repay. I think our relationship with them is becoming one of dependance, which is the first straw of the demise of this Country. We're selling this place to them!
I was just pointing out that nobody was implying that we should alter our opinions based on what the Chinese folks said about Walmart. This thread, unless I've totally missed the point, was just a look at their perceptions of us, and it was shockingly positive. That's crazy, the leftists tell me the whole world hates us!
they don't even need to look that far abroad, just look what Americans did to the Japanese in continental United States during that war
Very true. It sounds bad to say, but legitimate US citizens of Japanese heritage would have had every right to resist their incarceration with deadly force, in my opinion.

That's actually a great example to use for antis that scoff at the "tyranny" defense of 2A rights.

El Clerkino
July 6, 2010, 04:55 AM
Great Read. It seems to me they have a lot of respect for us and a greater understanding of RKBA than some people on THR. Most people are caught up in spewing Mcarthyism's in one form or another at each other they forget how good we have it in the US of A.

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