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Greg Koziol
July 4, 2010, 07:17 PM
I've been looking at the Aimpoint CompC3 and want to put it on my wish list for my primary sighting system on my dangerous game rifle/all around big game rifle and home defense rifle. But I also saw the aimpoint 9000L and 9000sc, which seem like they would hold better on a heavy recoiling gun like mine due to the 2 mounting rings they contain versus onl one on the comp c3? Is this even true or just me over analyzing my choice? thanks

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jmorris
July 4, 2010, 08:56 PM
I have the C3 and it is a very good optic, durable and very long battery life. For defense against bad guys or game I have a rule against devices that have to be turned on or adjusted to use them. So I use an ACOG reflex for those jobs, it‘s always on and self adjusting.

Greg Koziol
July 4, 2010, 10:44 PM
true. well the comp c 3 has a 5 year battery life so if i'm in a tactical or dangerous game situation i can just turn it on and leave it on.

Greg Koziol
July 4, 2010, 10:45 PM
The ACOG reflex looks nice and is one item of interest but the only thing I don't like is I heard that its hard to see if your using a weapon mounted flashlight in low light conditions. I like the new RX 30 with the 42 mm objective... there parallax free too right?

Maverick223
July 5, 2010, 12:08 AM
I still say no, but like I said in the other thread Aimpoint would be my choice if I absolutely had to have an electronic sight that took batteries...otherwise a good low magnification scope, in the 1-4x range, fits your task best IMO.

:)

strambo
July 5, 2010, 12:52 AM
Since the Aimpoint batteries last for years it kinda makes that point moot. Just leave it on and change them once every year or 2.

Greg Koziol
July 5, 2010, 04:44 AM
I still say no, but like I said in the other thread Aimpoint would be my choice if I absolutely had to have an electronic sight that took batteries...otherwise a good low magnification scope, in the 1-4x range, fits your task best IMO.

:)
Thanks maverick I appreciate the concern and honest advice, thats something that is rare in this world today. I've looked at numerous 1x-4x scopes but I have several issues with most of the ones I saw which has me leaning to a red dot. First is that the sight should be illuminated for emergency night time game recovery or for trekking through the bush in the early and late hours to and from hunting spot with potentially dangerous critters in the area and most of the illuminated 1x-4x scopes had an eye relief of 3.5-4" which is not good for my application. If they made a scope that had the unlimited eye relief on 1x like a red dot has on 1x, but could also be turned up to 4x, that would be perfect for my application... because I need a fast 1x sight to take a quick snap shot at 100yards, and have to find the sweet spot will just bog me down. Also I want to forward mount the scope/dot which will make it even quicker, and not all of the companies who make extended eye relief scopes have models that can power down to 1x but also power up to say 4x... they only have a 2x or 2.5x, but i didn't se anny variable with 1x being the lowest power. the 1x power is crucial for charging game at close range, or for quick shots in thick woods, where I won't have the time to look throw a scope and find him. If this was just a deer rifle or something like that for sitting on a stand on a family farm somewhere then i'd go with it, but I want something that can be good for self defense which is why an aimpoint would be great I think

Robert Wilson
July 5, 2010, 05:51 AM
In my experience batteries are usually dead when you need them. If I had a scope with a five year battery life then I almost certainly would be in desperate need of the rifle five years and three days from now. If you are quite sure that you can manage that problem better than I could, my only other bit of advice would be to try whatever you choose at night. I have found that most red dot sights look fine during the day but are monstrously bright at night; far too bright to be useful in the situations you describe. In looking through the scope at night you may well find that you can see nothing but dot, and you may also find that once you have seen the dot, you can't see much else for several minutes afterward.

jmorris
July 5, 2010, 10:53 AM
true. well the comp c 3 has a 5 year battery life so if i'm in a tactical or dangerous game situation i can just turn it on and leave it on.

That’s fine if you know when you are going to be in a “tactical” situation (offensive) but you don’t always know when you are going to find yourself in a defensive situation.

As I said before I have one of the Aimpoint C3’s (and a few others) and it’s built well but even if you had it on it would likely need to be adjusted for brightness unless you are going to fiddle with it throughout the day adjusting it for ambient light.

These sights are excellent for 3 gun matches and such but if the rules of the game didn’t let you turn them on and adjust them off the clock, before “load and make ready”, no one would use them.

Maverick223
July 5, 2010, 12:43 PM
FWIW, Nikon, Leupold, and Burris make several EER rifle scopes. I am not a big fan of EER scopes, so I have very little experience with any of this type, but Nikon and Leupold have done well for me. I have never owned Burris, but have used several and they did well, but the dismal reviews make me leery of buying one, so I the former sound like the best options in that category. I did a quick search and the lowest power that I came up with was a 2x, variables starting at 2.5x, just as you mentioned. I don't believe that 2x would be a problem, but I wouldn't want to go any higher on the low end, and would prefer a 1-1.5x.

What rifle will this be used on...a Marlin 1895GG?

:)

Greg Koziol
July 6, 2010, 12:33 AM
its a marlin 1895 22" and I had the tube extended, i put in the wild west guns ejector and aluminum follower, i got some buffalo 405 grain soft points, I just bought a tru glor red dot but i'm returning that cause it has too much parallax for me, I want something i can stick on my gun and leave it and have it for as long as the Lord lets us walk his earth... africa, alaska, maine, canada, I want to build my gun so its good for everytying... and yes I dare say it ... AFRICA, belt mountain makes 400 grain solids and buffalo bore sells them for $120 per box, clocked at 2000fps... thats suitable for africa in my opinion, plus if you have a leve rlike mine which can hold 8 rounds in it, your set for a whole pack of lions!!! My marlin is a work in progress, and a neat hobby to get me away from the other passions in my life...

One particular reflex sight taht just came out that Caught my eye was the leupold DELTA POINT, its about $400 witha picatinny cross slot mount. But this thing looks super high quality, parallax free, water proof, highly recoil proof I may just end up getting that little , and the beuaty of this thing over an aimpoint which costs the same is that it weighs like 3 oz or something.. its TINY, but leupold designed the lens to be larger then most of the other reflexes out there like burris fast fire or others.... if you look at the lens on it, it actually comes out like a few millimiters wider on each side, versus say a Burris Fastfire or similar... they say gives it a 26mm sight picture... almost like a traditional 30mm red dot, but faster then a red dot

ChristopherG
July 6, 2010, 12:50 AM
My patrol rifle wears an aimpoint because it's always on and it's reliable (but of course, it has fixed BUIS too). I would rather have a 1x sight like the aimpoint than a low-magnification scope (like an ACOG) for a dangerous game rifle, because of the possible need to make a close-quarters shot in a hurry (same reason it's on my patrol rifle); closer in, a RDS is the fastest sight there is. It also has a 1x (or a low-power variable like the 1-4x) beat on eye relief. If you need to make a shot from a cramped, rushed or compromised position (and this may be more relevant to a patrol rifle than a hunting rifle), you're not going to find yourself shooting through a pinhole of optical field because your head position isn't right.

The aimpoint is battery operated but it may as well not be; you don't turn it off, ever. You change the battery, once a year if you want to be really careful about it; I do so on a particular personal anniversary. Aimpoints are stupid expensive for a RDS, no question; but they get away with it because of an earned reputation--mainly in the law enforcement and military communities--for working.

Coronach
July 6, 2010, 12:53 AM
well the comp c 3 has a 5 year battery life so if i'm in a tactical or dangerous game situation i can just turn it on and leave it on.That’s fine if you know when you are going to be in a “tactical” situation (offensive) but you don’t always know when you are going to find yourself in a defensive situation.I think the point of the 5-year battery life is missed here. You don't turn it on if you think you'll have to use it. You turn it on.

Period.

Mike

Coronach
July 6, 2010, 12:56 AM
Oh, yes. In a few years, you change the battery.

Then you turn it on again.

Mike

Maverick223
July 6, 2010, 02:35 AM
your set for a whole pack of lions!Pack of wolves...pride of lions. :p I doubt this will really a big issue for you, but you cannot use a .45-70Govt. for any of the large dangerous game in Africa (at least in all the countries that I am aware of), you must use .375H&H or larger (some have a special clause that allows the 9.3x64Brenneke). It is ridiculous overkill for lion, but a prerequisite nonetheless. Also, per my understanding, all cartridges are judged by standard loadings, so hot-rodded .45-70 counts no more than the wimpy (by comparison) Remington factory loads.

:)

Greg Koziol
July 6, 2010, 01:12 PM
true, well a .45-70 is close to a .375 H&H, but the bullet is actually larger then a .375 H&H thought slightly slower, i'd rather take a larger bullet a little slower than can still do the job then having all that extra speed which is not necessary unless your taking shots beyond 200 yards. Inside of 200 yards the .45-70 with "hot" loads... which are not really hot, but normal loadings... the remington and factory stuff is down loaded due to fear of law suits... inside of 200 yards with 400 grain solids @2000fps will kill any game animal walking the planet.. a 400 grain solid brass bullet travelling at 2000 feet per second will not deflect off of an elephant skull. Plus I have 8 follow up shots I can call on fast, if i'm off on the first shot, versus all the african rifles are bolt or double rifles which can be a problem if the animal charges, or if the first shot doesn't do the job. I'll find an outfitter that can work with me on that, but that won't be for a while.. i dont have that kinda money yet.

amprecon
July 6, 2010, 01:22 PM
I have an Aimpoint CompC3 and it's great, I'd buy another if the need arose. But I started looking at red dot sights after a hunting incident where a lighted reticle (dot) would've made the difference between success or failure.

Maverick223
July 6, 2010, 02:42 PM
true, well a .45-70 is close to a .375 H&H, but the bullet is actually larger then a .375 H&H thought slightly slower, i'd rather take a larger bullet a little slower than can still do the job then having all that extra speed which is not necessary unless your taking shots beyond 200 yards.Can't argue with that. My best load for the .45-70Govt. is about 4k ft-lb, my .375H&H with my "mean & heavy loads" (350gr. Solids) clocks in at only about 400FPE greater...not enough to make a hill of beans of difference, besides the larger caliber can often make a bigger difference. I wouldn't feel undergunned for anything short of Elephant with either, but I would be more prone to take the .375H&H simply because it is a repeater.

:)

jmorris
July 6, 2010, 02:52 PM
For a Marlin 1895 in 45-70, I would just get the XS express sights.

Also, I think everyone that owns one agrees that the Aimpoints have plenty of battery life but the chance you have it sitting on the one (of many) brightness settings you are going to need is slim at best. On low, it is invisible during the day and on high the dot is all you can see at night. You could just put it in the middle so it wouldn't be ideal for either, I guess.

Greg Koziol
July 7, 2010, 03:48 PM
thanks jmorris

rcmodel
July 7, 2010, 04:03 PM
Traditional Ivory or Gold bead front sights on a dangerous game rifle is hard to argue with. It's worked well for well over 100 years.

No batteries to leak, or switches to twitch.
Just put that big ol' bead on the Son of a B-----

Eh! Nevermind.

rc

Double Naught Spy
July 7, 2010, 06:28 PM
Tradional spear is hard to argue with. It has worked well for 1000s of years.

No parts to lube, or ammo to load.
Just put that big ol' spear in the Son of a Big Lion.

Eh! The nostalgia for traditional technology over new-fangled stuff will always remain.

dns

crossrhodes
July 8, 2010, 05:59 PM
The concept was actually developed for large game in thickly wooded areas many years ago. Then the tacticool guy's ran with it from there.

rcmodel
July 8, 2010, 06:21 PM
Still and all, we haven't seen mass quantities of African professional hunters or Alaskan guides putting electronic sights on their dangerous game stopping rifles have we.

rc

KodiakBeer
July 8, 2010, 06:45 PM
I wouldn't put any kind of electronic sighting device on a weapon to be used in the wild. Get a ghost ring sight.

Greg Koziol
July 9, 2010, 01:44 AM
I wouldn't put any kind of electronic sighting device on a weapon to be used in the wild. Get a ghost ring sight.
I agree, i'm planning on getting a ghost ring and front sight set up from xs sights and brockmans sights, with a tritium dot. But that would be my back up sights or for short ranges in thick brush. But an aimpoint with a 2 moa dot would be nice for longer range precision between 100 and 200 yards, plus their faster then iron sights

Greg Koziol
July 9, 2010, 01:47 AM
For a Marlin 1895 in 45-70, I would just get the XS express sights.

Also, I think everyone that owns one agrees that the Aimpoints have plenty of battery life but the chance you have it sitting on the one (of many) brightness settings you are going to need is slim at best. On low, it is invisible during the day and on high the dot is all you can see at night. You could just put it in the middle so it wouldn't be ideal for either, I guess.
i am gonna get the xs rear and brockman tritium front sight unit with the ears on them. But it also would be nice to have an aimpoint with a fine dot in 2 moa for precision hunting in open oak woods where you can see past 100 yards

Greg Koziol
July 9, 2010, 01:50 AM
Still and all, we haven't seen mass quantities of African professional hunters or Alaskan guides putting electronic sights on their dangerous game stopping rifles have we.

rc
makes sense, but that has a lot to do with pride and ego also. Iron sights are definately more reliable then electronic sights, and I wuldn't venture into dangerous situation without reliable back up iron sights that i'm proficient with.. thats just asking for trouble. BUT if an electronic sight increases your accuracy then why not. Its easy too just put the dot wher eyou want the bullet to go

Maverick223
July 9, 2010, 07:21 PM
If you go that route I would set them up to "co-witness" if possible...then you don't have to worry about taking it off in the unlikely event that the e-sight should fail. ;)

jmorris
July 9, 2010, 11:43 PM
Between 100 & 200 yards dangerous game is a lot less dangerous. Just about anything within reason will be ok.

Greg Koziol
July 10, 2010, 03:09 PM
If you go that route I would set them up to "co-witness" if possible...then you don't have to worry about taking it off in the unlikely event that the e-sight should fail. ;)
Good idea I wonder if i could get them to co witness with an aimpoint... prob not, but I bet with a burris fast fire I could.

Greg Koziol
July 10, 2010, 03:11 PM
Between 100 & 200 yards dangerous game is a lot less dangerous. Just about anything within reason will be ok.
yea good point. the reason i like the 2 moa aimpoint is that 1)its rugged 2)the dot size is fine for 100-200 yard work, but can still be effective at close ranges in the case of a charge or something of that nature 3) 5 year battery life. Can't go wrong. My first order of business though will be install a good ghost ring and that tritum front sight from brockman's. I may put some glow in the dark paint on the ghost ring, not much just a dab here and there so when trekking thru bear country in the early morning or late evening with a flash light they will add extra illumination.

Maverick223
July 10, 2010, 03:38 PM
Good idea I wonder if i could get them to co witness with an aimpoint... prob not, but I bet with a burris fast fire I could.That's what I was thinking, the Aimpoint would probably be too high. I like the idea of the Burris FF though, while it may not be as rugged and durable it comes with its own set of advantages (co-witnessable, lighter, more compact, less likely to snag, et cetera).

:)

Greg Koziol
July 11, 2010, 12:55 PM
That's what I was thinking, the Aimpoint would probably be too high. I like the idea of the Burris FF though, while it may not be as rugged and durable it comes with its own set of advantages (co-witnessable, lighter, more compact, less likely to snag, et cetera).

:)
the burris fast fire is still water proof... only thing is that it has a 4 MOA dot so past 100 yards its gonna be useless... leupold also makes a delta point which is supposed to be good but that one looks a big high. the delta point is nice it's the same as a comp c 3 aimpoint price wise, but its parallax free and has greater lens diamter then other reflex sights... one cool thing i look too about it is you can buy a 7 moa triangle... good for close range, and then if you wanna go 100-200 yards you can use the tip of the top triangle. its fully water proof, fully shock proof, field test, can't go wrong.

Maverick223
July 11, 2010, 01:11 PM
Don't know about their reflex sights (never liked the things), but Leupold always has built a pretty well constructed, rugged optic, so I wouldn't have any second thoughts about giving it a shot (particularly if you could co-witness with it, which I think you might be able to pull off).

:)

alfack
July 13, 2010, 10:27 PM
FYI, Midway has the Aimpoint 9000L on sale right now for $250:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Promotion/default.aspx?promotionid=9076#9076_657_7276

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