Range battle scars


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Gouranga
July 6, 2010, 11:16 AM
Every time I go to the local range, I see weird scars that make me just wonder what is up with people.

Before anyone thinks this is food for anti's I will make it clear, NONE of the scars endangered anyone or resulted in injuries. Despite them we have not had a serious injury at the range in a LONG time. It is designed with a certain failure tolerance and given the number of shots fired in there the accident rate is WAY lower than the rate with motor vehicles.

In every stall there is a rubberized "shelf". it is set up to allow you to put ammo or small items and to lay your weapon down in a manner that keeps it downrange and safe. In every stall this thing is shot at least half a dozen times. The weird part, the VAST majority seem to be 22's.

My ranges weirdest scar though is on the far right lane. about 2 ft on the right what looks like a 9mm or 40 round right into the wall. The only other weird one there is a shot through a folding chair. You got to wonder what folks are thinking/doing for some of these.

Anyone think of any weird battle scars in your local range?

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thebigc
July 6, 2010, 11:17 AM
i think a lot of the ones on the sides are from pepole hitting the part of the target carrier that is angle iorn to defelct rounds so it dosent get damaged at least at the range i used to go to

Friendly, Don't Fire!
July 6, 2010, 12:02 PM
A brand new room, no windows, with a new steel door, and a bullet hole about the middle of the door (about .22 size).

It certainly makes one stop and think "suppose someone happened to be on the other side of that door when it was shot!":uhoh:

Tim the student
July 6, 2010, 02:03 PM
And here I thought this was about real scars. I had a scar that was a perfect outline of a piece of 5.56 brass that got caught between my neck and my body armor. That was not fun at all. It sucked actually. Sadly it has faded a good deal - it was kind of cool.

Anyways, at a range I go to sometimes there are more than a few bullet holes in the roof, and the support beams. Yardage markers have also been shot out there. Another range that I shoot at frequently has trash bins that are filled with .22 and #7 or so shot holes. I don't really think any are accidents, but of some (insert non-high road term here) that think its cool to vandalize public property.

I love the fact that we have free public ranges here (some quite nice), but damn if there isn't always someone that will try to ruin them for the guys that respect them.

Opoche
July 6, 2010, 04:24 PM
My personal favorite is a bullet hole in the sheet metal vanes covering the exhaust vent for the indoor pistol range. It's about head height for me and I have to walk past it to get to the range office.

pharmer
July 6, 2010, 05:04 PM
A local range has a "stitch" in the concrete floor. About 8 perfectly spaced and straight 9mm holes from an "errant" MP5. Glad I wasn't around for that. Joe

NMGonzo
July 6, 2010, 05:08 PM
None at my range.

Safe shooters or great staff with carpenter skills.

The Lone Haranguer
July 6, 2010, 07:17 PM
When I shot full auto firearms for the first time (submachine guns, at an indoor rental range), the employee hovered over me and watched me very closely. I asked why and he pointed to bullet holes in the ceiling - some of them almost directly above the firing line - where the firearm had gotten away from previous shooters.

jonmerritt
July 6, 2010, 07:26 PM
The range I go to had a few scars (shots where they shoudn't be) and using center fire rifles on handgun targets.
It has since gone from public access to completely private, some people just live to destroy other peoples property.

rmfnla
July 6, 2010, 07:30 PM
"Scars" are one of the numerous reasons I do not like ranges.

alohachris
July 6, 2010, 07:53 PM
The scariest 'scars' to me are the ones directly BEHIND the firing line. I don't know how people manage to shoot 180 degrees from the bullet trap, but several have managed to do so.

RP88
July 6, 2010, 08:03 PM
Lots of chips in the walls of my indoor range.

As to how you manage to miss by three feet is beyond me, but there are a lot of them.

john44402
July 6, 2010, 08:32 PM
My brother and I were at an indoor range, and happened to be looking in the direction of someone shooting, what was probably a 44 mag.

We looked at each other with raised eye brows when we noticed the shots hitting the floor at around the 10 yard mark.

W.E.G.
July 6, 2010, 08:49 PM
Every public indoor range I've ever been at looks like it was used for IED testing.

Ceiling all shot to hell, walls all shot to hell, partitions well-fragged.

I think its hilarious that one of the ranges I frequent makes it a point to inform the shooter that there will be a $20 charge for each round that strikes the target bracket.

For the love of Pete, people!
Have you inspected your ceiling lately???

orionengnr
July 6, 2010, 08:50 PM
Whenever I see a hole in the dividing wall between lanes, I shiver a little...

yakkingallover
July 6, 2010, 08:59 PM
I was shooting with my dad and wife one time when a family came in and the mom who i hope was a new shooter managed to muzzle climp a glock into a flourescent light fixture and the ceiling. How it happened i can't explain and I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it for myself.Thankfully we had started to pack up as this happened.

Tallinar
July 6, 2010, 09:05 PM
Was at the range with a guy today pointing a jammed Glock at his own body. Glad he didn't inflict any scars.

Manco
July 7, 2010, 09:14 AM
Was at the range with a guy today pointing a jammed Glock at his own body. Glad he didn't inflict any scars.

I guess that's why there's a rule at my local range that you're to summon help for any jams or other mechanical malfunctions.

Tallinar
July 7, 2010, 10:00 AM
I think that is a good rule. I may bring that up.

VegasAR15
July 7, 2010, 10:16 AM
At a range I went to a few times when I was a kid there was a bullet hole in a partition between two lanes. Someone had decided to go to the range and give himself a more permanent scar.

hso
July 7, 2010, 10:27 AM
This is nit picking, but damage to the range is due to negligence as opposed to "battle" scars. One may have some merits, the other is usually due to incompetent/unsafe handling.

The more damage to the range proportional to use, the greater the "warning" sign that users need to be trained on proper firearms handling. Treat a lot of range damage as a warning sign that the folks on the range are more likely to be a hazard to shoot around.

Regen
July 7, 2010, 11:46 AM
I think its hilarious that one of the ranges I frequent makes it a point to inform the shooter that there will be a $20 charge for each round that strikes the target bracket.
Sounds like Blue Ridge Arsenal. The charge $20 a hit on the hangers on the rifle side. I'm pretty friendly with most of the staff there and they had to institute that rule because of the number of lanes put out of commission due to people complete shearing off the hangers. A lot of it is due to newbie's renting full auto and the guns getting away from them.

gbran
July 7, 2010, 12:07 PM
My 1st ccw class was in a metal building at an outdoor range. As we looked around, we noticed numerous bullet holes coming INTO the building from the range side. Trust me, this is not a confidence builder. The instructor said the range a allowed a special session for local LEO's to do some tactical training and it was during this event the bldg got shot.

Foxtrot427
July 7, 2010, 12:25 PM
Sounds like Blue Ridge Arsenal. The charge $20 a hit on the hangers on the rifle side. I'm pretty friendly with most of the staff there and they had to institute that rule because of the number of lanes put out of commission due to people complete shearing off the hangers. A lot of it is due to newbie's renting full auto and the guns getting away from them.

I was thinking the same thing. I cant help but notice how bad the walls are shot up there too. Ive always had good, albeit expensive, experiences at blue ridge, so I just chalk those things up to the fact that there are so few range choices around VA.

Prince Yamato
July 7, 2010, 12:30 PM
Every public indoor range I've ever been at looks like it was used for IED testing.

Yep. The one exception I can think of is Calibers in Albuquerque, NM. That place is immaculate.

Lakeshore
July 7, 2010, 04:41 PM
Every lane in the indoor range where I shoot is riddled with bullet holes, in the partitions on either side of the booth and overhead. Not just forward of the shooter position either; in every booth it's like someone turned 90 degrees to the left or right and fired point blank into the wall. The partitions are metal lined but first time newbie shooters blasting away in the adjacent lane make me nervous.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
July 7, 2010, 05:35 PM
What really stinks most about this kind of carelessness and outright vandalism is that it typically makes it harder and more difficult for those who are careful and conscientious.

Like they always say, it only takes a few people to spoil it (whatever 'it' happens to be, in this case - SHOOTING SPORTS) FOR EVERYONE!

Whenever I see a highway or road sign riddled with bullets, and/or shotgun holes, I always shake my head and think about how some careless person - possibly drunk and/or high on something, or just plain stupid - would actually shoot at the sign, either from a moving vehicle, or they walked up and did it - perhaps a hunter coming out of the woods.

I read an article in American Rifleman magazine a few decades ago and they were saying that the average speed limit sign may last so many years (let's say ten years for purposes of argument). Think how many people see the damage caused by a bullet, bullets and/or shotgun shell(s).

I remember seeing a "regular" at the range (the kind of person who knows everything about everything - or at least he thinks he does). I remember bringing up this topic as he was angry at a new metal roof they had installed just months prior over the benches and there were already several .22 holes in the metal roofing. When I mentioned how many people would observe a sign that has been riddled, his reaction was "highway and street signs don't last that long, there wouldn't be THAT MANY PEOPLE SEEING THE DAMAGE!"

I almost fell off the range bench when he said that as one sign in particular had been shot at at least 20 times. It was a sign that looked like it was fairly new when the shooting happened and now was literally shredded to the point where you could barely make out what it said (it was a Speed Limit 25 sign). And, may I add that that particular sign was in that same location, all shot up like that for at least 10 years! I believed the road crews decided to keep it up to prove a point, and the point, in my mind, was well-made!

Last summer, they replaced expressway signs with all new ones. The old ones were about 30 years old. The new ones already have several bullet holes in a section of them and several look like someone stood about 30 feet away with a 12 gauge full choke and shot the sign with 6 shot, a nice hole blown through the huge green sign a couple inches in diameter with pellet holes and dents around the hole.

I realize I am "preaching to the choir" here, so I hereby get down off my soapbox.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
July 7, 2010, 05:41 PM
This is nit picking, but damage to the range is due to negligence as opposed to "battle" scars. One may have some merits, the other is usually due to incompetent/unsafe handling.

The more damage to the range proportional to use, the greater the "warning" sign that users need to be trained on proper firearms handling. Treat a lot of range damage as a warning sign that the folks on the range are more likely to be a hazard to shoot around.
I agree 100%

There is no need of this. It is a disgrace that makes all shooters look bad!

hemiram
July 9, 2010, 04:24 AM
I have to admit I have left a couple of "scars" in years past. I hit a couple of hangers, and I blew a hole in the roof when the gun went off due to a mechanical failure right after I cocked it. That was almost 30 years ago.

But I never blew any holes through the separating walls, never shot anything behind me, etc. I saw some of that at every indoor range I have ever shot at. One guy had brought in a full auto Thompson, and sprayed .45 ACP all over the place. He was hitting hangers, the cables, and he blew a couple holes in the roof. It was impressive, but scary to watch. He got whacked about a hundred bucks, and he said that anyone who wanted to shoot it could, if they had ammo. I went and bought three boxes of .45 ACP, and that was the first time I shot anything full auto. I didn't hit anything but what I was shooting at. It was a lot of fun.

Gouranga
July 9, 2010, 04:04 PM
Wow, some interesting scar stories here. See the ones that are downrange, while disconcerting a bit, they don't bug me as much. What it means is that whatever the cause, at least the shooter was following the critical rule of having the weapon pointed in a safe direction. It is ones in places no gun should be pointed, like the one at my range that is right through the back of the folding chair (I was told nobody was in the chair at the time and the person who did it was NOT welcome back) that scare me.

Accidental/Incompetent though, is IMO overshadowed by the ones you guys have described as deliberate. That is just beyond foolish to do something like that.

One of the scars I pay attention to is one on a lane in the floor about 4 ft up from the line. It was done by a regular shooter, usually one of the safest guys you are gonna meet. Regularly competes, fired more rounds than I have ever seen. One day, he racked his slide and somehow managed to pull the trigger as he did it. The gun went off as soon as the slide went forward putting the mark in the floor. He was so embarrassed, he packed up and left, and did not come back for weeks. The good thing was he only violated 1 rule not 2, so nobody was hurt.

That particular mark always reminds me about complacency. If someone like him can make a mistake like that, heck I know i can.

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