Remington 1911 R1


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mjb
July 6, 2010, 03:48 PM
I saw that Remington is now making a 1911 .45. At first I was excited in purchasing one. However, I have heard that some 1911 magazines will not fit in the gun, and that it is not rated for +p ammo. Does anyone have any more infor or experience on this gun?

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FIVETWOSEVEN
July 6, 2010, 04:15 PM
Some of the mags won't fit it? Sounds like its not made to Specs! :eek:

Red Cent
July 6, 2010, 04:52 PM
Hear that in a gunstore?:cool:

Quoheleth
July 6, 2010, 04:53 PM
Or on the interwebs?

9mmepiphany
July 6, 2010, 05:19 PM
additional question, if you don't mind

does anyone know who makes the parts for Remington's 1911...someone told me it was Armscor

The Lone Haranguer
July 6, 2010, 06:53 PM
However, I have heard that some 1911 magazines will not fit in the gun ...
This is unlikely. What is more likely is that some magazines may work better in it than others. This is common with modern 1911s. With all the 1911 and magazine combinations out there, each made by a different company, to slightly different specs, tolerances and clearances, sometimes you have to experiment until you find a combination that works. It was a lot easier when only one company made them.

... and that it is not rated for +p ammo.
Also unlikely. It should be rated for any ammo for which there is a SAAMI spec.

DrLaw
July 6, 2010, 08:12 PM
It's all true. Remmington, which has not been in the pistol business since the 1930's (The XPX-100 aside) is farming out all it's work to other places. The reason most 1911 magazines won't fit is that the Remmington is installing the magazines backwards, the square end to the front.

They are having Tawrus make the slides from MIM using zinc alloys from the supply left over from the former Jenings Arms Co., aka Bryko.

Working parts such as the trigger and hammer group are being made by DWM using titanium-coated bronze alloys for light weight and heatability.

The barrels are being made by the Spanish Company Junkar, and are being rifled by buttons, which is where they get the phrase, button rifling.

I could go on with this one, but I want to see how many fish I can catch tonight, so I am heading out now. (You know, the Doc is out now.:D)

The Doc is out now. :cool:

:neener:

mjb
July 6, 2010, 11:32 PM
on the web

MICHAEL T
July 6, 2010, 11:38 PM
All I know is at the NRA convention I ask several times who makes the frame and slides. They would not give me a answer . Just ignored my question. I won't buy one if can answer a simple question

9mmepiphany
July 7, 2010, 02:43 AM
All I know is at the NRA convention I ask several times who makes the frame and slides. They would not give me a answer . Just ignored my question. I won't buy one if can answer a simple question

that mirrors the reports i got from attendees at the SHOT show

what i would take from that response is:
1. not us
2. not domestically

sidheshooter
July 7, 2010, 06:10 AM
Don't know about mags. Regarding +P, folks can scroll down and see for themselves; it appears that their own 185 gr. +P Golden Saber from the same website is not recommended.

http://www.1911r1.com/pages/FAQs.aspx :barf:

Good thinking, Remington... no one asked me, but I would have suggested warranting the gun for their own ammo... :evil:

Jon Coppenbarger
July 7, 2010, 09:41 AM
I have 2 of them and was one of the first to get one in colorado and have two more ordered but what the heck I like 45's.

I have not had a lick of problems shooting the one I have shot and it is a very nice looking pistol for the money. I would not have a problem shooting 45 +P+ even threw it.

But then again I own many, many of them from a 1913 colt to the new ones coming out.
It could turn out that I do not like them but everything I have heard from folks who actually own one they like them.

earlthegoat2
July 7, 2010, 09:58 AM
I dont think there will be any more problems with this one than any other 1911 in the price point such as Armscor.

The question as to where the materials are made are anyones guess. I have heard many reports similar to Michael_T's. IMO, the only way Remington could make a 1911 at such a pricepoint would be to farm it out overseas. So far I have not seen a claim they are made in the US but I have not seen a gun either so I do not know what it says on it.

All in all though I think you get what you pay for with this one.

mjb
July 7, 2010, 01:43 PM
Remington has told me in a e-mail that they did a market survey before the pistol was introduced, and therefore the pistol was a response to the survey. I do not believe that. I really don't think that anyone would tell them to make it not rated for +P. I will not buy it. :banghead:

Omaha-BeenGlockin
July 7, 2010, 02:24 PM
Dealer had one in the case marked at $699---was thinking that was more than MSRP---then I notice written in small letters on the bottom that its not for sale---so not sure what to think about that. I didn't even bother to ask to see it.

sidheshooter
July 7, 2010, 06:22 PM
The early reports really got my tail wagging on this thing, but the ammo constraints (as dictated by the company, if not in reality) hemming and hawing about the parts origin (just be forthcoming, it's not like RIA is suffering for fans) and general post-introduction vibe just serve to make the Springer Mil-Spec look even better as an entry piece than it already is, IMHO.

Nice looking piece, though. If someone gave me one, what the heck, I'd shoot it...

(...but you can bet that the first rounds through it would be from my old stash of proload 230 +P. Spank that thing and make it behave...) :evil:

CoRoMo
July 7, 2010, 06:25 PM
I'd take the cheapest Springer over this one, all day long.

Jon Coppenbarger
July 7, 2010, 07:15 PM
I have the gi springfield and like it also but I like the remington more. so what happened when you shot your remington that made you not like it?

I see your in colorado also I will give you $500 for it since you do not like it as long as you have not torn it up?

earlthegoat2
July 7, 2010, 07:20 PM
You can probably still safely shoot +P out of it. Remington is just CYAing.

Heck, get an extra power Wolff spring before you shoot +P out of it.

DrLaw
July 7, 2010, 07:50 PM
I guess I was using the wrong bait, I didn't get any nibbles. :evil:

Interesting to see how much people know about a gun that few have seen, but have heard of. :scrutiny: If I had listened to the nay-sayers of Taurus, I would not have a nice PT-1911 that is serving me very well in competition.

Just saying.

The Doc is out now. :cool:

Jon Coppenbarger
July 7, 2010, 09:35 PM
Actually DR I did enjoy and had a good laugh with you. Thank you

Everybody has a opinion and thats fine and some folks are seeking info on if they should chose to buy something then we as a community need to step up and give them all of the CORRECT information that they have to help them make a choice.

I will need to check in on a few of the 1911 forums to see what they have been saying since they have been out a little over a month to the public.

just checked on a few of those other 1911 forums and overwelmingly positive.

Jon Coppenbarger
July 7, 2010, 10:26 PM
Oh how many of you have put in a request for the NEW Ithaca 1911's already?
Can not wait to get a few of those that I have requested. reports seem positive on these also.
I hope they keep them coming. maybe a savage to make up for not doing complete pistols in 1918. dang savage I have on the colt frame---(yes its correct) well it all should be savage so maybe I will email them and ask when they are going to make one ! LOL

DrLaw
July 7, 2010, 10:30 PM
Ithacas making a 1911??? :confused:

Personally, which I know brings this thread down, I'd rather see Remington bring back their .380 auto, and Savage bring back the double stack 1918's, etc...

Oh yeah, Smith & Wesson without that dang Clinton lock. :fire:

The Doc is out now. :cool:

jbkebert
July 7, 2010, 10:47 PM
A remmington 1911 sounds like a giant peice of crap. At least it will be on par with every rifle they have made in the last 10 years. Might even come with a factory trigger of 35# to match the model 700 CDL in .260 rem that I bought. Not sure what actual trigger pull was before installing a jewell trigger but it was horrible.

bradcl
November 29, 2010, 05:24 AM
My Remingotn 1911 has been nothing but enjoyable to shoot. in the 6 months I have owned it. Definitely not a "piece of crap" I have yet to find another mag that will not work. I havea Kimber mag for mine that has never ftf or fte. The gun has been extremely accurate, and easy to shoot. My wife even likes shooting it more than her 9mm or our .380. I have shot some +p ammo through it with no problem. Since any +p ammo I have found is quite expensive, I would never use it as my main ammo at the range, so once I saw how it performed in the gun, it will remain my self defense ammo, and be limited to the occasional range trial. Otherwise I just stick with the manufactures' recommendation for the range. I think a .45 with a good quality .230 grain hollow point should have enough stopping power for most cases. Anyway, my main point was that I have not seen another 1911 mag that will not fit the Remington, although there may be one out there somewhere.

ulflyer
November 29, 2010, 11:24 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but to make it from hearsay doesnt' seem fair to me. I do have one, it functions as it should, and it did so out of the box with McCormick and Rem mags. Absolutely no issues other than it shot low on my 12 yard range which might be a result of my low power reloads that I shoot in all my 1911's. Had to file the front sight down a bit. BTW, for R1 owners, the slide has a Novak cut should you want to change the sights.

jaysouth
November 29, 2010, 12:44 PM
Has anyone stripped one to see if there are any markings indicating forerign manufacturer?

Errornet = BS at the speed of light. I am acquainted with two different R1 owners. I do not hear the BS from them that I see on the web. One is a duffer like me, the other is an accomplished machinest and gunsmith who can't say enough good about value received. Before I posted any thing on the internet, I would have hands on experience.

TuckerNielson
November 29, 2010, 03:43 PM
Internet proof is the proofiest proof there is.

perazzi
November 29, 2010, 10:29 PM
Having nothing short of a good time with mine. Updated it with a longer trigger, and a caspian ambi safety (left hander here). shoots fine with 185 and 200 swc bullets. No problems with the remmie mags and loves my Colt GC mags also....

RevDerb
November 29, 2010, 11:39 PM
This is unlikely. What is more likely is that some magazines may work better in it than others. This is common with modern 1911s. With all the 1911 and magazine combinations out there, each made by a different company, to slightly different specs, tolerances and clearances, sometimes you have to experiment until you find a combination that works. It was a lot easier when only one company made them.


Also unlikely. It should be rated for any ammo for which there is a SAAMI spec.
From the Remington 1911 R-1 Owners Manual:
WARNING! The specific ammunition cartridge suitable for use in your
firearm is marked on the barrel. Different cartridge types and calibers
are not interchangeable. Do not use any ammunition other than the
designated cartridge specified for your handgun. Do not use ammunition
marked with Plus P, “+P” or any other high velocity or pressure
ammunition.

Using incorrect ammunition in your firearm can result in a severe
malfunction of your firearm or ammunition leading to personal
injury or death.

Taroman
November 30, 2010, 05:03 PM
Interesting how all the internet "experts" will diss the Remington, probably without having ever seen or fired one.
All I can say is that mine has been nothing short perfect from the very first. As for mags, I use both Checkmates and McCormicks that work just fine. OTOH, some $5 cheapos couldn't even be loaded.

Clost to 4K rounds, factory and replade fired with NO issues whatsoever.

Here's the first 100 (WWB) I fired with it:

http://www.hverovhe.com/93.jpg

RevDerb
November 30, 2010, 10:55 PM
Mine is in layaway. It'll take me several months to redeem it but it's MINE. :D

hardworker
December 1, 2010, 10:44 AM
My buddy bought one and let me shoot it. Never any issues with fmj ammo and I'm ashamed to say I was more accurate with that gun out the box than I am now after six months of owning a 92fs.

Tag
December 3, 2010, 10:34 PM
I think it's funny that people are getting so worked up over the +P thing. My Kimber warned me off high pressure ammunition as well.

mustang_steve
December 3, 2010, 10:55 PM
This is typical of all gun boards...lots of people more than happy to diss anything that cost less than their firearm. You get used to it after a while....or you start to believe that every Kel-tec is a hand grenade in handgun's clothing, that Hi-Point is a boat anchor with bullet firing capability and that Anything with Zamak in it is a deathwish to shoot (but they'll praise some big name .22 pistol they don't even realize is made of Zamak).

At the price, I may be 3-4 months from getting one, but dangit, I will get one.

hardworker
December 3, 2010, 11:10 PM
The thing about +p is that it won't blow up a gun. it'll just wear it out faster. shoot regular, pack +p. at sd distances it won't be an issue

ulflyer
December 4, 2010, 06:32 AM
FWIW: After I got mine I wanted to know what type sight cut the slide had. Emailed and promptly got a reply: Novak. Recently emailed again asking how much for a front sight as I had filed mine down too much because it was shooting too low: reply....new on is being sent and if you still have problems let us know and we'll send you a shipping label to send it in. Sounds like they're trying to offer good service.

PS: I think my shooting too low is prob due to my low power reloads. Gotta try it with some factory ammo.

Quack
December 4, 2010, 11:21 AM
+P is just covering them, just like Springfield says (in their manual) no +P in 1911's under 5"

Has anyone stripped one to see if there are any markings indicating forerign manufacturer?
Yep, i did this back in June.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=527825

and here's a thread started by 1911Tuner:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=542096

After I got mine I wanted to know what type sight cut the slide had.
The r1 has the same dovetail as a colt, gi spec. The Novak that fits that is the dcr01 not the lmc01. The 10-8 NM rear sight is what i'm going to use on my R1 build that i do this winter.

jaysouth
December 4, 2010, 12:48 PM
Quack,

Thanks for posting here and elsewhere your excellent analysis of the R1.

I have it on good authority, from an "aisle shark" at a gun show, that the R1 is made in taiwan from recycled bicycles and junked cars.

I have a lot of experience with Asian imports other than firearms. Shoddy merchandise comes from China, Malaysia, Vietnam, and sometimes the Phillipines. If it were made in Taiwan, the Switzerland of Asia, it would not have visible machining marks and would cost double the MSRP. Ditto for Korea.

So much for gunshow commandos and their lore. Remington says that the slides and frames are made in the USA. Is there any evidence to doubt this?

Thanks again for your objective posts.

Quack
December 4, 2010, 01:06 PM
not sure if Remington does it's own castings, or uses castings from Pine Tree (Ruger)

and for those wondering who "E-RPC LLC" is, it's a subsidiary under Remington Arms brand.

Dr.cry
January 15, 2011, 03:24 PM
I've fired over 2,000 rounds through my 1911-R1. I bought it new, and had to send it back for a new slide stop and slide stop plunger spring. The time I picked up the phone to the time I had my gun on my doorstep was less than a week, which I appreciated.

Of course, the mags that come with the gun should be recycled or used for scrap metal. Mine didn't feed well. Note - Wilson 8 round mags don't lock. I bought Wilson 7 round mags and I haven't had a feed failure since.

Since Remington sent it back to me, I've fired 1,500 perfect rounds. I feel fine relying on this gun to fire. It feels as reliable as my revolver.

The stock grips are now used as a chew-toy for my dog. Instead I fitted the gun with some Pachmayr rubber wrap-around grips.

I think for around $600, this gun is a good value. I like the look, too. Very military, once you lose those stock grips. Except there is a massive, tacky "Remington" scrawled in cursive on the slide. I wish the could have been true to the original, where the brand name is the same size as the serial...

Quack
January 15, 2011, 03:27 PM
mine is stil going strong, but with changes...

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1150351658_RyskB-L.jpg

9mmepiphany
January 15, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quack - That is a huge hole in the burr hammer, who makes one that way?

Also, that is a very closely fitted beavertail...your handwork also?...very nice

rellascout
January 15, 2011, 04:36 PM
That hammer also caught my eye...

Quack
January 15, 2011, 04:55 PM
Thanks!!!

it's a Caspian hammer. i chose it because it's different that the rest of the hammers usually seen. i also installed one on my TRP Champion that i did some work on.
http://www.caspianarms.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CAL&Product_Code=R52B&Category_Code=R5

yep, i fit the grip safety on my Christmas vacation. a LOT of filing to get the tangs down, and there wasn't too much blending that needed to be done. topped off with Formula 44/40 until i finish up with the gun and have it refinished.

9mmepiphany
January 15, 2011, 05:40 PM
Nice work, you have a lot of patience, a steady hand and a fine eye

mingo
February 17, 2011, 08:58 PM
Good to hear that you folks that actually have this gun are pleased with it. Dang, I really think I want one of these, if I can find one in stock....
mingo

Dr.cry
February 18, 2011, 01:00 AM
Mec-Gar 8 round mags fit the 1911-R1, but Wilson and Chip M. 8 round mags don't. FYI.

Quack
February 18, 2011, 08:25 AM
Wilson mags work fine in mine.

bbuddtec
February 18, 2011, 08:43 AM
Does this sound familiar... "using any ammo other than factory manufactured ammo voids warranty"...

Done.

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