need some advice, 18" revolver


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BadJuJu
July 7, 2010, 10:23 AM
i recently became aware of the Uberti 1873 Cattleman New Model Buntline Target. my first reaction was "totally unpractical but very cool... and i want one" with an 18" barrel, obviously this has its useful limitations.

my question is, does anybody have any experience with this model? how does it shoot? is the barrel just too awkward to handle? i am torn between the 45LC and the .357. aside from target shooting i thought this might make an interesting deer hunting gun.

any thoughts?

http://www.impactguns.com/store/345060.html

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Ratdog68
July 7, 2010, 12:27 PM
If'n ya wants it... get it. I'm jonsin' for one of the 12" black powder rigs of the 1858 Remington variety. Ordered one up a year ago, got a "reject" off the line (last one available)... and ended up with a sweet nickel/gold plated 8" barrel rig instead. I still wants one though. I think they also offer the "carbine" version with a long stock instead of grips. :D

BadJuJu
July 7, 2010, 02:31 PM
i have no doubt that this would make a "fun gun" but what about for hunting? realisticaly i would only ever use something this big from a stand with a shooting rail so i have something to rest it on. with that said, anybody have preference on the caliber?

i know 357 is great for deer but i cant say i have heard much about using 45LC for hunting.

JellyJar
July 7, 2010, 03:09 PM
I believe that the British can still own modern handguns if the barrel is a very long one. I don't how long it would have to be to be legal in GB. That gun is probably made for sale there.

rcmodel
July 7, 2010, 03:36 PM
but i cant say i have heard much about using 45LC for hunting. The .45 Colt with handloads or +P ammo can outperform the .44 Magnum in a strong revolver.

Unfortunately, the Uberti 1873 Cattleman is not a strong revolver.
It is a Colt SAA clone, and as such is limited to standard pressure loads.

Still, the .45 Colt cartridge with black powder loads was expected to put down charging 1,100 pound Calvary horses when it was invented, and it did just that.
By that measurement, killing a 150 pound deer would not be much of a challenge for it.

As for an 18" barrel revolver?
You would find it unwieldy, hard to carry, impossable to holster, and even harder to shoot one-handed. Thats why there were never that many 12"+ revolvers made over the last 150 years, and none were a commercial success.
They just can't do anything a short carbine can't do far better.

If I wanted an 18" revolver, I'd for sure want one with a stock on it.
Like this one for instance:
http://www.rossiusa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=25

rc

BadJuJu
July 7, 2010, 07:27 PM
thanks for the info. i had no idea that Tarrus owns Rossi now, that should be a pretty sweet team.

im glad you mentioned the round limitations, i was going to ask that myslef. i was unsure if a normal 45lc would do the trick by itself but i guss it makes sense.

i am not fully decided on the revolver so much as trying to rationalize why i should buy one :D, but the carbine is a cool idea too. maybe some day i could buy both.

ok, hypothetical question....is there, or has there been a longer barreled handgun that has been used as a handgun AND a carbine? what i mean is, has anybody been creative enough to take this revolver for example and design a grip/stock that would mount to to the existing grip frame and give you the benefits of a rifle stock?


thanks for the info so far folks, keep it comming!!

W.E.G.
July 7, 2010, 07:49 PM
I would call it "Pinnochio."

Ratdog68
July 7, 2010, 08:01 PM
thanks for the info. i had no idea that Tarrus owns Rossi now, that should be a pretty sweet team.

im glad you mentioned the round limitations, i was going to ask that myslef. i was unsure if a normal 45lc would do the trick by itself but i guss it makes sense.

i am not fully decided on the revolver so much as trying to rationalize why i should buy one :D, but the carbine is a cool idea too. maybe some day i could buy both.

ok, hypothetical question....is there, or has there been a longer barreled handgun that has been used as a handgun AND a carbine? what i mean is, has anybody been creative enough to take this revolver for example and design a grip/stock that would mount to to the existing grip frame and give you the benefits of a rifle stock?


thanks for the info so far folks, keep it comming!!
In the Black Powder firearm realm... there are revolver pistols that will accept a detachable carbine stock. In real life terms, I don't think they were as effective as planned. You didn't want your paws infront of the cylinder as it fired... unless you liked burns on your hide.

Oyeboten
July 7, 2010, 08:28 PM
If to be a 'Pinnochio', the Barrel would need to get longer every time the shooter fibbed about how good the groups were.

captain awesome
July 8, 2010, 02:00 AM
it'd need one hell of a long holster.

madcratebuilder
July 8, 2010, 08:52 AM
They are not very practicable, can be very accurate. Fun to shoot, great range toy, I have several different ones I shoot fairly regularly.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/asmdragoon02.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/rcarbine01.jpg

These are cap and ball so NFA does not apply.

BadJuJu
July 8, 2010, 09:54 AM
very cool. thats exactly what i was getting at.

guns are cool:)

with regards to a holster, i recently became acquainted with a guy that makes holsters. i had him make one for my XD and it turned out great.

for the Buntline i was thinking something more along the lines of a low hanging chest rig. and possibly something that could be fully enclosed so it could act as the case as well.

rcmodel
July 8, 2010, 02:12 PM
Attaching a shoulder stock to a cartridge firing revolver falls under the 1934 National Firearms Act, and the law & ATF says you can't do it legally without jumping through all the legal hoops to regester it and pay the transfer tax on it.

If the gun was made as a handgun, it is always a handgun, regardless of the barrel length.

If it were to have a barrel long enough to measure over 26" total length without a stock, it would then be legal to put a stock on it, just like a pistol grip shotgun.

Otherwise, you would be in violation of federal law to put a stock on a modern firearm.

Black powder muzzle loading revolvers do not fall under the law, so shoulder stocks are legal on them.

rc

zoom6zoom
July 8, 2010, 05:42 PM
I'm guessing they don't make an IWB holster for it.

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