[Chipperman]

Was in a shop the other day. Noticed an AR-10 on the rack with a post-ban upper and a Bushy collapsable stock.

I asked the guy, "Is this a Pre ban Rifle?", already suspecting the answer would be "No".

He said that it was not. I commented on the stock. He shrugged, saying that he just puts them on that way for display. When someone buys the rifle, he switches to the fixed stock. He said, "Nobody cares, as long as the rifle does not leave the store with the collapsing stock in place."

Seems to me, he is begging for trouble. What do you guys think?
:uhoh:

[gun-fucious]

O. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS AND
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES
(O1) What restrictions does Federal law impose on semiautomatic assault
weapons?
It is generally unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or
possess semiautomatic assault weapons after September 13, 1994, the effective
date of the law.
[18 U.S.C. 922(v)(1)]

(O14) What markings must appear on semiautomatic assault weapons manufactured
after September 13, 1994?
In addition to the markings required of all firearms pursuant to 27
C.F.R. 178.92(a)(1), the frames or receivers for semiautomatic assault weapons
must be marked "RESTRICTED LAW ENFORCEMENT/GOVERNMENT USE ONLY" or, in the
case of weapons manufactured for export, "FOR EXPORT ONLY."

[Chipperman]

I assume that means you agree with me. ;)

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Surprised your local friendly ATF hasn't paid him a visit yet.

The bigger the bust---the better the boost---Sgt Studinko

[Jim K]

Not only is he violating the law, but he may be trying to deceive his customers as well. They think they will get a collapsible stock and don't. IMO, he is just a plain idiot.

jim

[Redlg155]

Illegal ..definitely yes.

It doesn't make sense to put a collapsible stock on and then tell the customer he can't have it, but he can have a fixed stock. No longer is the weapon technically NIB, but there is no telling what other tricks he may be up to. Who is to say that the customer will even get the factory items put back on and not have a aftermarket part substituted?

If I'm paying 1100 plus for a rifle it had better not be tampered with.

Good Shooting
RED

[Gewehr98]

He lost his FFL and paid a $500K fine for doing something like that. Sacramento, May of 2000:

http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news/old/local02_20000513.html

[AR-10]

I'm not commenting on the legality or the wisdom of what he is doing, but...

Either he is putting a postban pinned stock on the rifle that is not collapsible, or he is using a preban AR-15 Collapsible stock and buffer tube, which is way too short to allow the AR-10 bolt carrier to travel back and forth.

[Chipperman]

It's a preban Bushy stock. It does collapse, I did it in the store.
:what:

[AR-10]

Well, that is just plain stupidity on his part, then.

Not only is it illegal and unethical, but it won't let the gun go boom. On top of that, it throws the balance of the rifle off, which would not be a big selling point.

Oh, my, I see you are in Massacantspellit. He is a daring soul, isn't he?

[Gewehr98]

He's definitely asking for trouble. Put some distance between yourself and him.

[WonderNine]

He lost his FFL and paid a $500K fine for doing something like that. Sacramento, May of 2000:

http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news...2_20000513.html

That story makes me want to hurl.

[Gewehr98]

Well. no, not really. He's trying, to this day, to get his FFL back.

He put a fast one over on the judge, saying it was the corporation that was at fault, and Sterling made sure he had no connection to the corporation. By the time the fine was levied, the corporation was insolvent. Meanwhile, good 'ol Sterling walks away, ready to re-apply for his new FFL. And the judge was steaming, he knew exactly what was going on.

[Tamara]

Is it just me, or is the AWB beginning to get about as much respect as a fire hydrant at a dog show?

I must've seen a half-dozen guns on various ************ over the last six months that were just blatant violations. I'm beginning to think nobody cares any more... :eek:

[WonderNine]

I must've seen a half-dozen guns on various ************ over the last six months that were just blatant violations. I'm beginning to think nobody cares any more...

I know I don't :)

You know what they say though, the more laws their are, the less respect for the law there will be :)

[Chipperman]

As an addendum:

During our conversation, he basically said that, "Nobody cares what you do with a gun until you commit a crime with it. Then they all begin asking if you had the proper permits, or did any illegal mods. I've seen guys at the range with AWB violatons shooting next to cops. People shooting post ban AR's with pre ban uppers and collapsing stocks, Chinese SKS with bayos, etc. They (the cops) just look over and say 'Cool gun'. They either don't know or just don't care." :uhoh:

I think he is right to some degree (about people not caring), but we're not talking about a speed limit or even running a Stop sign. This is FELONY stuff.

I ended the conversation saying something like, "Well, I hope you're right," and left.

[Gewehr98]

Not good!

[Steve Smith]

Yet again I'm reassured that the only people that actually care about this law are shooters. That is, of course, until you do something truly bad, and then every ATF agent in the country will know all the laws and will prosecute for everything.

I've seen pawn shops do this collapsible stock-on-the-post-ban deal and I've seen the ATF guys completely ignore it.

[Jon Coppenbarger]

well I will put it this way personally I do not like him and we have never ever really got along and I will not give you reasons for that but it is based on my bussiness and personal dealings with him.
now that aside I believe he was wronged on what they tried to do to him.
#1 they went after the big fish as it make good news
#2 the guns in question were used from my understanding and were bought by a employee and set out without his knowing about it.
#3 the big bad assult weapons were 10/22's with that darn add on folding stock everyone thought looked so cool a few years ago.

I am glad sterling put it to them as the atf and ca. laws are why I closed my shop in sacramento and not because I did anything wrong.


I love living in a free state and not in a prison like state like ca.
I hope it falls off into the ocean. oh! not till late sat. when steve gets out of there.LOL