Friend Got All Excited When He Saw This Sign...


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The Expert
July 10, 2010, 11:21 AM
I invited a friend from back in the Marine Corps to come up shooting at my local gun range here in Michigan (he lives in OH).

He was rather excited when he saw the advertising sign on the door of the place telling everyone that you could rent full-auto MP5 there.

Said he was going to do it next time he came up. Told me about how they carried those at Camp David when he was there and started talking about how you could empty an entire magazine on-target if you had the proper stance.

I was the SAW gunner for my squad back when I was in infantry training, so I've had the experience of Full-Auto fire, but I guess there's something different about the MP5 or something.

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armoredman
July 10, 2010, 12:48 PM
It's a fun squirt gun, but the MP5/10 was better, IMHO, as 10mm seems better for s ubgun, in my mind. MP5 is a lot of fun.

Owen
July 10, 2010, 12:59 PM
the MP5SD is a miracle. Seriously quiet, and controllable like a garden hose.

Nine Lives
July 10, 2010, 02:24 PM
The MP5/10 fell through because 10mm beat the MP5 design to death. The major strength of the platform is that it has one of the most manageable recoils in the subgun category, and was meant to fire really hot 9mm rounds. 10mm nullifies that.

Not that it matters anymore, for many applications the MP5 has been replaced with the M4 or variants thereof.

FightDiary
July 10, 2010, 02:53 PM
The recoil is very small... one of the reasons why its the SAS weapon of choice when the make an enter, tight group on target.

PTK
July 10, 2010, 08:59 PM
My main beef with MP5s is that firing anything over 147gr damages things. :(

I've actually seen a broken bolt from firing 158gr subsonic Samson ammo.

RhinoDefense
July 13, 2010, 02:15 PM
Nine Lives, the FBI still has MP5-10s in their arsenal. They use the same 10mm ammunition they always have: 180gr JHP at 980fps from a service pistol. The same load is in their MP5-10s. That's the only 10mm load the FBI ever used.

LHRGunslinger
July 13, 2010, 02:27 PM
You can't forget HK's legendary diopter sights.

Nasty
July 20, 2010, 11:26 AM
It shouldn't have surprised him as Ohio is Class III friendly (although certain cities may not be).

jmorris
July 20, 2010, 11:45 AM
Nothing like an 8# MP5 SD for staying on target but a little heavy for a 9mm.

Demitrios
July 20, 2010, 12:58 PM
Nine Lives sats: The MP5/10 fell through because 10mm beat the MP5 design to death.

I'm having a bit of trouble wrapping my mind around this. The 10mm supposedly beats pistols to death as well, yet many of todays pistols hold up to the power of the 10mm very well. Are you telling us that much larger machine pistol, like the MP5, physically can't handle the power of the 10mm? Do you have any written accounts or links to prove this statement?

BADSBSNF81
July 20, 2010, 08:56 PM
1992 - first year chambered in 10mm and .40 S&W. DEA got the first .40 prototypes for testing.

The 10mm was designed with two different locking pieces in the bolt group. One for for high impulse ammo and one for low impulse ammo.

High impulse shot in a bolt with low impulse locking pieces will accelerate wear, but, no malufinctions. I don't think it qualifies as "beating" it to death. This setup might damage the rubber in the buffer of the collapsable stock.

The reverse, will cause ejection/extraction failures.

Info from "Project 64" by Frank James

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