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Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 02:05 PM
This is the spot for all types of VZ.58 and all things VZ.58...now lets get this party started!

Here's mine, a D-Technik/CZ-USA rifle from TGI:
http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu141/Maverick223_album/IMG_5788.jpg

:)

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armoredman
July 12, 2010, 03:49 PM
OK, I can't pass this one up... :)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/range%20trip/vz58withIsraeliSling.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vz%20at%20200%20yards/010.jpg

200 yards, shooting as pictured above.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vz%20at%20200%20yards/016.jpg


It's no AR, nor AK, it's a vz-58, baby! :cool:

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 03:57 PM
Figured you might be the first to come along...welcome to the club (though I feel like you should be the one welcoming me).

:)

MCMXI
July 12, 2010, 04:59 PM
Here's mine. I recently added a MAGPUL AFG (Angled Fore Grip) but haven't shot it yet in that configuration.

http://128.171.62.162/hawthorn-engineering/thr/cz/vz58/photos/vz58_001.jpg

:)

KodiakBeer
July 12, 2010, 05:06 PM
I don't have one, but if you let me hang around I'll sweep up the brass and drool a lot...

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 05:33 PM
I recently added a MAGPUL AFG (Angled Fore Grip) but haven't shot it yet in that configuration.Welcome to the club. I am considering swapping out my grip and forearm for the one you have pictured, and possibly adding a AFG as well. Does that forearm handle/deflect the heat any better than the composite one that comes stock? Mine gets pretty toasty after a few magazines (similar to an AK).

I don't have one, but if you let me hang around I'll sweep up the brass and drool a lot...I think you mean, sweep up steel. ;) Now is a good time to buy, if TGI has any left, they are going for $585.00.

:)

ifit
July 12, 2010, 05:50 PM
nice vz guys, heres mine at the range for the first time, couple years back
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/vz58atrange024.jpg

jeepguy
July 12, 2010, 06:23 PM
armoredman is that folding stock longer then the factory one? i just bought my vz 58 folder yesterday & i feel the lop is too short. if it is longer where did you buy it?

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 06:31 PM
jeepguy, while I am sure that is a really nice stock, it is pretty costly. If you like the original folder, you may want to consider a AK style butt-pad instead. I have heard that you can attach them to the VZ stock just as easily. If you don't like the stock, that is another matter.

:)

jeepguy
July 12, 2010, 07:00 PM
thanks maverick i will keep that in mind. i dont mind the stock, except that it feels way to short. this the same with all commblock rifles i have seen. so im just looking for options, and will go with what seems best. i even thought about buying an extra folder & welding part of it to the other to make it longer. i dont know if you can weld this alloy, so i would have to look into that.

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 07:05 PM
I am pretty sure it is steel, so welding should work fine, and IMO is probably a better solution.

:)

Bohemus
July 12, 2010, 07:14 PM
My FSN 01 by Novohradský gunsmith
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9798/fsno1a.jpg

Seeing your Vz's I should upgrade my piece s little bit...

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 07:24 PM
Thanks for stopping by, Bohemus. BTW, I am still jealous of your 20rnd magazines (not pictured). ;)

armoredman
July 12, 2010, 10:01 PM
Bohemus, it's a working mans rifle, no need to change it if you're happy!

jeepguy, that stock was about $150, IIRC, and the factory folder is about half of that from Czechpoint. I felt the factory was a bit shorter, but my vz-58 started off life with the Tactical Sporter stock, which I still have. The Zahal I have on thier now feels perfect to me. Czechpoint is carrying them now, too.

Maverick, in my case, it IS brass - I reload for 7.62x39mm, very little steel cased ammo run in this gun.

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 10:15 PM
I reload for 7.62x39mm, very little steel cased ammo run in this gun.I just don't have the brass to reload for the 7.62x39mm. :p

I am interested to hear about your best groups using handloads; Barnaul does well for me, but I am sure it could do better.

:)

Snowdog
July 12, 2010, 11:20 PM
I've been looking at these VZ-58s (http://www.southernohiogun.com/vz-2008-ak-rifle-7-62x39.html) that are currently offered by SOG for $439, but don't really know enough about them (such as what they offer over a comparable AK besides uniqueness, do they use AK magazines etc).
I'm leaning towards a Bulgarian Ak-74 (also from SOG for $395) as my next purchase.

I do like the distinctive looks of the VZ-58 though.

nalioth
July 12, 2010, 11:26 PM
(such as what they offer over a comparable AK besides uniqueness, do they use AK magazines etc)Nothing on the Vz58 will interchange with any Kalashnikov parts.

They are two entirely different weapons, coincidentally using the same cartridge.

There are numerous threads and posts here on the rifle to further enlighten you on it.

To highlight some of it's advantages over the AK:

• Reduced recoil due to the unique design.
• Light weight (the milled Vz58 is about a pound lighter than a stamped receiver AK)
• Ergonomic

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 11:30 PM
In addition to the above advantages, the rifle also offers a typically better accuracy (I feel this is mostly due to the tighter tolerances in construction and being striker fired), a LRBHO, lighter magazines, and an overall improvement in build quality IMO.

The rifle you linked to is a redesigned version of the VZ.58 marketed by CAI. It is called the VZ-2008 and has some aspects that are worrisome, including but not limited to: poor quality build parts, poor construction by CAI's goons, and a FA trigger group modified for SA fire (often leads to malfunctions, the D.Technik ones were redesigned to fix this issue). This isn't to say that it would perform unreliably, but it could, and due to poor barrel quality the rifle is unlikely to be as accurate as other VZ.58 builds. It is a dice roll...

:)

armoredman
July 12, 2010, 11:42 PM
If the SOG guns have bayonet lugs, they are probably Century builds. Hit or miss type thing, some are great, some are horrible. I'd stick with D-Technik, now known as Czech Small Arms, (gotta love it, CSA), imported through Czechpoint-USA. A new .223 version is here in very small numbers, more coming in soon.
Maverick, I have a few good groups so far, still experimenting, and now loading home cast for this caliber. I haven't tried the cast in the vz-58 yet, a little nervous about leading the gas system, though I hear that my wheelweight air dropped slugs should be hard enough not to lead up.

In this pic, there is one hole in common to the two three shot groups. I doubt I could do that again! And I mis-measured, that's 100 yards, not 120.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/range%20trip/incrediblegroupsbasepic.jpg

When it showed up looking like this,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vZ-58table1.jpg

I tried some Wolf through it at 50 yards rapid fire,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vZ58target3.jpg

Since that last photographed excercise at 200 yards, I really haven't done much target work, mostly using the CZ 527M...I guess I'd better get her out again before she pouts. :)

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 11:46 PM
If the SOG guns have bayonet lugs, they are probably Century builds.They are, if you look closely, it says "VZ-2008" in the title. ;)

Honestly I have been getting similar groups to yours using Barnaul (Brown Bear), but I was shooting at about 80yds. I need to push it out a bit farther to see what it is really capable of, but so far I am impressed.

:)

Col. Plink
July 12, 2010, 11:50 PM
I can't really join your club, yet; can I just hang out and wish I had one?

Maverick223
July 12, 2010, 11:52 PM
Yeah...I guess, but you still have to pay your dues. :p

Snowdog
July 13, 2010, 12:03 AM
The rifle you linked to is a redesigned version of the VZ.58 marketed by CAI. It is called the VZ-2008 and has some aspects that are worrisome
they are probably Century builds. Hit or miss type thing, some are great, some are horrible.

This is one of the reasons I really like THR. Though I would have done some research before putting money into a new purchase, this is probably one of the sites I would use for research.
Thanks for that info!

Maverick223
July 13, 2010, 12:13 AM
No problem, snowdog, glad to be of service. I too research the heck out of a firearm that I am unfamiliar with...and you are right this is one of the best places to do it.

:)

nalioth
July 13, 2010, 12:53 AM
This is one of the reasons I really like THR. Though I would have done some research before putting money into a new purchase, this is probably one of the sites I would use for research. Any firearms forum will tell you to stay away from Century-manufactured products.

They're that good http://forum.novarata.net/images/smilies/basic/toothless.gif

Moose458
July 13, 2010, 12:41 PM
Chechpoint vz58 with the wood furniture.
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/Moose458/109515-R1-06-8.jpg

Maverick223
July 13, 2010, 12:44 PM
Nice lookin' wood, Moose458. I am sure that you already know that ones with wood furniture is somewhat scarce.

:)

EAJ
July 13, 2010, 03:29 PM
Very nice Moose458; is that the refinished Beech wood stock set were looking at?

armoredman
July 13, 2010, 05:28 PM
Czechpoint does offer the really nice wood on thier rifles now, very well made stuff.

Might have to take mine out to the range tomorrow and see what we can see.

jeepguy
July 13, 2010, 07:52 PM
thanks for the help guys & those are some nice looking rifles.

Afy
July 14, 2010, 05:03 AM
Here is a friend shooting mine
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/afy08/IMGP0956.jpg

All orignal ex-Czech army issue.

Maverick223
July 14, 2010, 11:16 AM
Welcome to the club, Afy; that is one long sling.

:)

Afy
July 14, 2010, 11:33 AM
yup it doubles as a skipping rope. :p

Maverick223
July 14, 2010, 11:41 AM
yup it doubles as a skipping rope.Do you folks in France skip rope with your rifle like the Russians use theirs for doing push-ups? :D

jeepguy
July 15, 2010, 12:15 AM
i bought the surplus vz 58 sling, & i dont care for it. any good idea's.

armoredman
July 15, 2010, 12:23 AM
Israeli sling from Zahal, great sling.
Afy, not exactly regular range wear, :), glad to see a member of the fairer sex out shooting a vz-58!

Maverick223
July 15, 2010, 12:37 AM
jeepguy, I really like the Outdoor Connection SuperSling. It is strong, durable, comfortable, easy to adjust, and cheap (Walmart carries it under the Winchester name for about $15.00USD). You will have to take it apart to attach it to the swivels, but it will work. Mine came with the VZ.58 sling, and while it isn't my favorite, I haven't determined whether I want to change it or not, but if I do that'll be the sling that I go with.

:)

TOU
July 15, 2010, 03:34 AM
Just recently got mine from TGI it looks identical to Mavericks including the dog ear sites.

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu141/Maverick223_album/IMG_5788.jpg

I think I'm going to set it up near identical to armoredman's or 1858's when I get around to it...still not sure of which folder I want. Kinda also thinking about one of Ace's.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/range%20trip/vz58withIsraeliSling.jpg

http://128.171.62.162/hawthorn-engineering/thr/cz/vz58/photos/vz58_001.jpg

But... I am just dieing to set one up with beautiful OEM wood like this. (Yes I'm a wood junky at heart. :o)

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/Moose458/109515-R1-06-8.jpg

...but with an OEM folder stock.

So tell me, how hot does the wood get compared to the bakelite after a few mags?

Maverick223
July 15, 2010, 11:28 AM
Just recently got mine from TGI it looks identical to Mavericks including the dog ear sites.Wow, that does look just like mine, including the carpet. :uhoh:

TOU
July 15, 2010, 11:44 AM
LOL :D That is yours...just showing the style I got. I could take a pic of mine...on your carpet & you couldn't tell a difference. But I am not cool enough to take a picture of it yet so borrowed yours...but wanted to join the club. ;)

Maverick223
July 15, 2010, 12:28 PM
I could take a pic of mine...on your carpet & you couldn't tell a difference.I'd be able to tell...I have a loud German Shepherd. ;)

Medusa
September 12, 2010, 07:40 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126782&d=1283093262

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126781&d=1283093262

CZ 858 on original FA receiver, still has the bayonet lug, threaded barrel, chromed barrel, gas piston and action. So comfortable, so light (both in weight and recoil). Just needs a reflex supressor which will be there by the end of this year.

nalioth
September 12, 2010, 11:07 AM
Here's an expansive pictorial I made. It answers many questions - with pictures.

Vz58 Pictorial - Novarata.net (http://www.novarata.net/vz58-pictorial.html)

Maverick223
September 12, 2010, 11:14 AM
Welcome to the club, Medusa. nalioth, thank you for the link, I am sure that there are folks that will find it handy.

:)

Medusa
September 21, 2010, 04:35 AM
Due a rare instance I managed to get a small accessory for the VZ.58. Since it is not sharpened, it goes through a loophole in the law that otherwise bans bayonets. It was made in 1959, came with original sheath, does show the marks of usage (handle etc), but it otherwise in good order and as said has never been sharpened. And it cost me 25 bucks.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=127967&stc=1&d=1285054511

Maverick223
September 21, 2010, 03:09 PM
Nice find, Medusa. It matches the rifle well.

:)

Shane333
November 22, 2010, 03:52 PM
Can I join the club? I just purchased a D-Technik VZ-58 through Waffen Werks. I'll post pictures after I get a chance to take some and upload them.

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 03:58 PM
Can I join the club?Sure thing...but we have dues. Please remit a minimum of one photo to the thread. :p

ifit
November 22, 2010, 05:33 PM
congrats man, lets see some pics
my current setup
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/025-1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/033.jpg

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 06:51 PM
Lookin' good, ifit. Same rifle with new furniture and optics or a new addition?

Couple questions about your forend...does the top handguard not come off like the original (using the captured push-pin), and if not does it still afford easy access to the GP? Also, what about weight and balance? I like the sturdiness of a good Al. forend, but I wouldn't want to sacrifice the lightweight that the carbine affords. I want to swap my furniture in the near future and am having trouble deciding between a cheap and lightweight polymer Mako handguard set or the Mako VFR Al. rail. I only plan to add a Magpul VFG so the added strength isn't really necessary (though I might add a prismatic sight later on), but if I can have more without adding too much weight i'll do it.

:)

sansone
November 22, 2010, 07:01 PM
I would MUCH rather have a VZ than an AK fellas. Just a few reasons: milled receiver, neat mag release, neat safety switch, and just because it is NOT an AK :D .. thanks for all the photos

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 07:27 PM
I would MUCH rather have a VZ than an AK fellas.Well join the club. Personally I find the big advantages to be the controls (mainly the safety), improved accuracy, better workmanship, and the lighter weight (especially when compared to a milled AK).

:)

MCMXI
November 22, 2010, 07:50 PM
Personally I find the big advantages to be the controls (mainly the safety)

You just have to remember that the safety is opposite to the AR! The AR safety is typically operated with the thumb by flipping it down to the "fire" position. This is both natural and ergonomic. The Vz.58 safety is operated with the trigger finger (RH shooters) by flipping it up to fire. Not quite so ergonomic but still functional.

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 08:06 PM
Perhaps not the most ergonomic, but it is much improved over the AK system, and it has the side benefit of "telling you" when it is on safe (by getting in the way of the pistol grip). Additionally it follows the standard of pointing the lever parallel with the muzzle (not all firearms adhere to this standard but many do). As someone without an AR, the issue of being the opposite isn't a concern, but for those inconvenienced there is a Ambi. Safety (http://www.neitarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=3) available.

:)

nalioth
November 22, 2010, 09:48 PM
milled receiverJust what is the fascination with milled receivers?

Has the Arsenal propaganda marketing gotten to everyone?

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 10:42 PM
Just what is the fascination with milled receivers?IMO they look nicer and exhibit better workmanship, but in an AK it is absolutely not worth it as there is too great a weight penalty in addition to the excessive cost. I know that some folks feel that they are stronger and/or more durable, but I don't subscribe to those beliefs. If I am doomed to using an AK :D, then make it stamped so I can leave the wheelbarrow at home. :p

As far as the VZ.58, I am happy that it is milled (for the reasons mentioned above), but it is a different design that still affords light weight (in fact lighter than a stamped AK).

:)

ifit
November 22, 2010, 11:21 PM
thanks mav, same rifle with new furniture(fab def. vfr hg) the red dot i pulled from my ar to try out on the vz. unfortunately the upper hg does not come of easily as compared with the pin, as both halves are solidly clamped on toghether with 4 screws. the hg is very light and when installed does not throw of the balance of the vz. this is the most solid hg i ever put on the vz, but not without some issues. so a heads up for those who are considering this particular hg. what i found out is that the cz-usa gas block(mine) is taller than an original vz58 hg(my vz parts kit)
vz58 gas block from my parts kit
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/008.jpg
cz-usa vz gas block
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/007-1.jpg
this prevented the front portion of the upper hg to sit flush with the lower, sadly i had t cut off the front portion and dremel a good amount underneath for it to sit flush.
this is part of the front portion i took off(notice how much i would have to dremel so i decided to cut it off,
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/004-1.jpg
then trimmed a little bit more under neath to sit flush
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/006.jpg
some close up pics, you can see the releif cuts on the hg where the screws go
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/019-1.jpg
bottom
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/022.jpg

Maverick223
November 22, 2010, 11:40 PM
Thank you for the information, ifit. That gives me a bit to think about, because I like how simple it is to remove the piston for cleaning (would be really handy if I decided to shoot corrosive ammo). I could probably swap the upper for one from North Eastern Arms (http://www.neitarms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=43), but that would make it a $350.00 handguard! :eek:

Shane333
November 23, 2010, 12:09 AM
My D-Technik VZ58 from WaffenWerks.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/ShaneArfcom/100_4090.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/ShaneArfcom/100_4086.jpg

I figure that she's elegant enough for a picture with my wife's great-grandmother's hand-embroidered piano bench.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/ShaneArfcom/100_4083.jpg

Maverick223
November 23, 2010, 12:14 AM
Nice looking rifle, Shane. You are now a member in good standing.

A few questions for those of you with muzzle devices on your VZ.58: Do they actually reduce recoil or simply suppress flash (basically how much louder will it be after installing one), and how difficult is it to cut back the bbl extension for threading?

:)

Shane333
November 23, 2010, 12:26 AM
My muzzle brake was permanently attached by WaffenWerks (who apparently also replaced the front sight to include a bayonet lug) so I don't know how hard it would be to do the job oneself.

I haven't had a chance to shoot my new VZ58 yet, so I can't remark on the muzzle flash impact. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a marginal increase in noise for the shooter, and a notable increase in noise level for anyone standing next to the shooter.

MTMilitiaman
November 23, 2010, 01:26 AM
How difficult is it to SBR one of those?

I was thinking how if I got another AK it should be a Krink build. But I did get to handle one of these Vz58s at a local FFL and was impressed by the quality of its machining and worksmanship, weight and balance, and the placement of the controls (I even shoot lefty, so the AK's controls aren't even that bad for me). With the lighter weight and better balance, I was wondering how short you could get the barrel on one of those without adversely affecting reliability or accelerating wear, and without massive modification of the gas system? Could you have the barrel threaded for a flash suppressor right in front of the gas block and put a QD Vortex or Blackout on it? How long of a barrel would that be?

Nice rifles guys.

Maverick223
November 23, 2010, 02:32 AM
With the GP gas system I imagine it wouldn't be terribly difficult to SBR, but I don't really know. If you plan to run a suppressor it would probably do alright, otherwise you would might need to open up the gas port for it to operate reliably, especially if you want to go all the way down to a Krinkov length bbl (only 8in. IIRC).

An interesting little detail that you may or may not already know is that virtually all of them (those with mil. spec barrels) are already technically SBRs. IIRC the bbl length is 15.75in., and thus requires a short extension for sales in the US.

nalioth
November 23, 2010, 02:36 AM
An interesting little detail that you may or may not already know is that virtually all of them (those with mil. spec barrels) are already technically SBRs. IIRC the bbl length is 15.75in., and thus requires a short extension for sales in the US.Actually, 15.66666666~" or 15⅔", but "illegally short but fixed with a permanent muzzle device" will do :D

MTMilitiaman
November 23, 2010, 04:28 PM
Well I don't want to have to alter the gas system and I don't want to have to run any funky muzzle brake. If I have to think more "AMD-length" than "Krink-length," i.e 11 to 13 inches verses 8 to 10 inches, I am okay with that. I just think it would be cool to stubby that thing up a bit and add a suppressor, and I was wondering realistically how short I could get away with?

I don't even own the rifle, I am just mulling over ideas in my head. Window-shopping, if I may?

Maverick223
November 23, 2010, 08:32 PM
Just speculation but using what little I know about AKs, you'd probably be okay with AMD length, but iffy on Krink length (even the original has trouble with certain types of ammo without modification). Perhaps Bohemus might know a bit more...they are made in his backyard after all. It might be worth shooting him a mssg.

:)

Bohemus
November 24, 2010, 02:06 PM
MTMilitiaman: Somethink like this? (http://www.marstar.ca/gf-FSN/FSN-01K.shtm) Even if its not supercompact (http://www.deasarms.sk/upload/tovar/1385.jpg) you wont get away without modification of the gas system - channel between barrel and piston is slightly wider but I dont have any exact number, nor I have any FSN 01K (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/GomerPyleCZ/FSN01K_before_after.jpg) home to measure it...
sorry

Shane333
November 24, 2010, 02:18 PM
Bohemus, I don't care much for the supercompact, but the compact is sure pretty.

Maverick223
November 24, 2010, 02:52 PM
I like the FSN 01K too. Thanks for the additional information, Bohemus.

:)

Bennybone
December 9, 2010, 02:17 AM
How did you get in contact with Waffen Werks and what was the price?

Bennybone
December 9, 2010, 02:22 AM
This is the latest info from my research...

TGI in stock folding style with 1 30 round mag - 690.00

Czechpoint sporter with 2 10 round mags - 745.00

Accessories :

There is a package for the M4 style buttstock with recoil damping tube forerail for 185.00

is this about the cheapest to outfit this weapons platform?

Thanks,

Hoping to order within the month.

Lastly Czechpoint states to be running a Holiday special starting Dec 15th, wonder what the discount will be.

Maverick223
December 9, 2010, 12:27 PM
Benny, I don't know if the deal is still available, but I ordered my VZ.58 from TGI for $590.00 (with the inclusion of only one 30rnd. magazine). This was 6mo. or more ago, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

:)

sturmgewehr
December 9, 2010, 12:31 PM
I really like the Vz.58. Here's a video review I did of my rifle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPB9GbbBylI

Maverick223
December 9, 2010, 12:57 PM
Great video StG. I agree with your assessment.

BTW, the furniture is sawdust impregnated resin...which is actually much stronger and more durable than it sounds like. It is similar in strength to fiberglass but cheaper and affording an interesting/different look.

:)

Uncle Mike
December 9, 2010, 12:58 PM
I'll play....

While not in its final form, it does for now. I kinda, 'threw' that together, as far as the accessories are concerned, with some parts laying around the shop, and some I purchased from various establishments.

Lookie..../www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=549085

sturmgewehr
December 9, 2010, 01:01 PM
Thanks, I'm glad you like it. :)

Maverick223
December 9, 2010, 01:05 PM
Cool beans, Uncle Mike. Gotta keep us updated if you manage to perfect the 20rnd. magazine. I have an idea for one myself, but I need to place a few parts orders and start tinkering to see if it will work...I too will keep you guys posted on the progress.

:)

Bennybone
December 10, 2010, 12:21 PM
Thanks Shane333, based on your post I called Mark over at Waffen Werks and placed an order today. They have 9 guns left and no indication whether more will be ordered in the future.

For $ 650.00 the offering from Waffen Werks as of the date of this post is:

The gun dressed in the impregnated wood look
One 30 round magazine
A bayonet lug attachment on front
A muzzle break (pinned)
A sling
and the black finish baked on (some type of coating)

Mark states that they test fire the guns prior to shipment to avoid any surprises.

Act now guys, I cannot wait to receive and shoot the gun!

Maverick223
December 10, 2010, 12:27 PM
Great news, Benny...make sure and give us an update when it arrives.

:)

Bennybone
December 17, 2010, 11:28 PM
Well it is in... Good news and Weird news.

First off the Waffen Werks gun looks great, and during a feed and extraction exercise the bullets go in and come out with ease. Ready to test fire and sight in tomorrow.

I ended up winning an auction on gunbroker for what I thought was a CZ USA VZ58 but what I got was a Sporter with a receiver stamped CAI. So now instead of getting a steal on the gun I think I actually paid too much!!! Ahyhow check this out and let me know what you think.

During a feed and extraction exercise (prior to shooting) I already am seeing an issue. The bullet head is dragging/catching on the feed lip and it is gashing the bullet head from tip to base. Sometime the bullet wont feed with the sling shot method and you have to drawback again and release till it takes the bullet into the chamber. The feed lip is different in design than that of my Waffen Werks VZ58.

Also I have noted the following:

There is a muzzle cap on the end of the barrel, I thought ALL Century builds had the slant tip (AK muzzle break)

The safety is the same as the VZ58 military version, in other words forward is to fire

And no bayonet lug....

What sort of build did I buy?

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/IMG00394-20101217-2053.jpg

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/IMG00395-20101217-2054.jpg

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/IMG00396-20101217-2054.jpg

Maverick223
December 17, 2010, 11:54 PM
Bennybone, are the photos of the suspected CAI build or the WW rifle? If it is the former, it isn't a Century rifle because D-Technik makes the good stuff (they make the CZ-USA receivers) and from what I have seen they parkerize all of their rifles (to be perfectly honest I like their finish better...but not everything else). Judging by your description, and the photo (if that is the correct one) the safety is the same as my D-Technik (which is still flawless in operation BTW), same story with the muzzle device (just a barrel extension). I am not aware of any of the CZ-USA (or D-Technik of any kind) rifles having a bayonet lug...I know that mine doesn't. Either way, it isn't something that I am super concerned about, because I am unlikely to be in need of a pointy stick on my rifle. :p

Now as far as your feeding problem; I am wondering if you have a California model because it clearly has a "sporter"/thumbhole stock and you say the feed lips are different. If this is the case, it was designed for single stack 10rnd. magazines. The conversion to double stack requires a new bolt (as found here (http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/bolt-complete-for-double-stack-magazine-rifles/)), and the proper magazines (which you already have). There might be more, but that is all that comes to mind at the moment. Might I be so nosy as to inquire about the price?

Anyway, good luck on both of the new rifles! :)

Bennybone
December 18, 2010, 12:23 AM
Maverick, I was hoping you were on :)

The photos are of the mystery gun, the serial number begins with VZ58xxx which I thought was the definitive marker of the receiver being made in Czech's factory...

However the trigger is metal which I know to be a marker for Century's builds.

Additionally the receiver has CAI Georgia VT imprinted directly below D-Technik.

The receiver is NOT parkerized.

I am really confused about this gun. It could be a California version but it came from a shop in Tennesse....

The feed ramp appears to have an additional cut edge that the Waffen Werks gun doesn't have. Other than that it is exactly the same.

Price was 399.99. I went from being on Cloud 9 thinking I got a steal on a VZ58 to feeling like I overpaid for a Century build.

BTW the barrel in the chamber looks brand new (as in not previous mil-surp) I mean SPARKLING.... Not like the Waffen Werks.

Help.:banghead:

Maverick223
December 18, 2010, 01:11 AM
Maverick, I was hoping you were onThanks, but I don't know how much help I am.

I see what you mean about the "CAI-Georgia VT", though CAI uses US made receivers on all the VZ-2000s that I have seen. You are correct about the trigger (should be polymer), but the bbl extension is atypical because CAI used 16in. barrels that didn't require such. Also the SN sounds right (for a D-Technik) as well. Perhaps you have one that they imported complete...hopefully someone more knowledgeable and well versed in CZs (like armoredman...hint, hint) will chime in and uncover the mystery behind this particular rifle. Either way, i'd say you did well for $400USD, just because it says the word "D-Technik", and heck I have seen the rifles that CAI cobbles together go for more than that.

:)

Bennybone
December 18, 2010, 01:25 AM
Stumped ya did I ???

I can't explain it but I am hoping someone can ... What is also strikingly strange to me is that the serial number is 101. Seems awful low to me being this late in the game.

The bolts between the two are very similar just a few contours towards the back are different.

nalioth
December 19, 2010, 03:47 AM
Bennybone, you have an early Century import.

They were the original importers way back when of neutered Vz58 "Sporters".

Bennybone
December 19, 2010, 12:05 PM
Nalioth-

Thanks for the advisement, do you know anything more about CAI's import process for these guns? If they imported the rifles ahead of Czechpoint and TGI then this gun would be from.... 20XX?

I am making a BIG assumption here, but is it possible that the trigger , sear , piston, mags are the only Century parts on the gun?

I have Zero experience with the VZ2008 model but aren't those receivers killed err I mean milled by Century and does the model VZ2008 bear the name anywhere on the gun?

All I can tell you is that the bullet marring is no more (I believe gun just needed to be fired) and that I haven't had ANY FTF's and that the rifle shoots "lights out" in terms of accuracy.

The Waffen Werks gun is experiencing multiple FTF's - its quite frustrating when the premium gun is getting outpaced by the lesser....

Are any of you current owners having to file down the receivers feed lips and polish them?

I have taken the gun apart 4 times cleaned , oiled and dried parts and still getting multiple FTF on a single magazine.

BB

Maverick223
December 19, 2010, 01:45 PM
nalioth, glad that you were able to shed a little light on that. I figured that must have been the case, but haven't heard of one. Do you happen to know what type of trigger group is in that rifle (the one completely redeigned by Cechpoint or the CAI abortion)?

Bennybone, either way, I think you did quite well. If it turns out to have the CAI trigger group I would look into a suitable replacement (in part or in whole), but other than that I believe you are good to go.

:)

nalioth
December 19, 2010, 08:03 PM
I am making a BIG assumption here, but is it possible that the trigger , sear , piston, mags are the only Century parts on the gun?Century did not sell 922r compliant imported Vz58s. They only sold the neutered ones.

Someone purchased your gun from Century and converted it on their own (with parts from wherever).

Maverick223
December 19, 2010, 09:06 PM
The Waffen Werks gun is experiencing multiple FTF's - its quite frustrating when the premium gun is getting outpaced by the lesser....

Are any of you current owners having to file down the receivers feed lips and polish them?I don't know how I missed this part of your post the first go around (not feeling well at the moment, so you'll have to forgive my fogginess), but that is peculiar. I haven't any experience with a WW, but they are touted as well-made, reliable builds. I'd be inclined to ship it back and let them fix it for you, it doesn't appear to be a rifle that is easy to work on; more importantly you bought it new with the agreement that it would perform as advertised, that didn't pan out, so let them make it right. Glad to hear that the CAI conglomeration is working well, still might be a good idea to look into the parts manufacturers to make sure that it is 922r compliant.

FWIW, my D-Technik/TGI rifle has been flawless straight out of the box...surprisingly accurate as well. My understanding is that most any of the VZ.58 clones are at the very least reliable. Heck, the only problems that I recall hearing regarding CAI built rifles (the VZ.2008) is a trigger that is prone to double and accuracy is less than spectacular.

:)

armoredman
December 19, 2010, 11:11 PM
Ditto, I have not had to do any work on mine for reliabilty. D-Technik, now known as Czech Small Arms.

armed hiker
December 22, 2010, 10:36 PM
New Victim for VZ ownership.

Okay you guys drove me over the edge. I have been looking at the VZ58 for a while and started looking closer this winter. After looking around and reading everything I could find on these guns I decided I needed one.

Sooo.... options
1. build
I see parts kits that seem okay, and plentiful, this way I get just what I am after. chrome lined barrel, bayonet mount, muzzle device.

2. buy
A couple of options here.

VZ2000 by century, to be honest this is probably a great option, low entry cost and most of what I am looking for.

Czech. built parts gun, more costly than the vz2000 buy it is not a century. I have just heard too many bad things about this company to trust them. ... Yet.

I hate options some times because now I need to make a decision.

1. Parts kit
yeah baby, sounds fun. just my configuration and everything. But.....
Receivers are pricy , and after pricing out all the parts the overall costs kept climbing . You can easily buy a pre-built for less money and most importantly...When will I get the time to build it?

2. VZ2000
Its a century ..... well that really cannot be that bad can it? I almost cannot go on a gun forum without someone bashing them. Even the guys on the high point forums often look down on them! I held one and liked it but had issues like the safety seemed backwards from how I would think it should be. plus the front sights were all at about 11 o'clock ( I have been told this is on purpose??). Green mountain barrel is not a problem, I used to drill for them and know they do a good job. I would like a chrome lined barrel on a gun I will feed lots of surplus ammo in.... did I mention it's a century?
Okay maybe the next one.

3. D-technik
Pricy but it has enough going for it I think this will be close. I don't plan on using the bayonet for spear practice, I hear the guns don't really need a muzzle brake. Buy you know what I would like them ( don't try and make sense of it .. I can't).

After watching a few on I'mbroker (GB) I see that Czechpoint is having a sale!
Okay I am in! just a few more days until the sale starts and I will line up my FFL to receive it. After lurking about a bit I feel that not only will I get a great gun I will be dealing with one of the good guys (Czechpoint has a great reputation) . Everything is great ........ and then. This thread continued :banghead:

What The #@$%#.. who the :cuss: is Waffen Werks!
You have to be kidding me. lets see...
Czech. build parts czech
chrome lined barrel czech
bayonet mount czech
muzzle brake czech
killer sale price czech
good reputation czech

Okay so now there is only three left at Waffen Werks. great guys to do business with.

So now I only need to
build a parts gun
buy a Century to see for myself
buy a gun from Czechpoint (support the guys you want to stay around!)

Man I need another job

Is it here yet???????

Bennybone
December 23, 2010, 01:41 AM
Woah I had to read your post a few times but heckuva recap ;)

I am a new guy as well and all I can say is this has been hella fun researching and buying and shooting these gun(s).

I MUST SAY I OVER REACTED ON THE CENTURY GUN THAT I GOT FROM GUNBROKER AND THE JAMMING ON THE WAFFEN WERKS MODEL.

I just kinda got wrapped up in it all and didn't do enough research on what I had and taking time to load the magazine properly. I called Century today and verified that the gun I bought was made at the factory (D-Technik), these guns were imported and sold prior to Century launching its VZ2008 model. I then called the gun shop who sold me the gun on Gunbroker and was told that it was brought in on the purchase of a private collection of unfired "safe queens" from an older gentleman. So essentially it was new and stored for the last 4 years. What a treat and bonus I think!!!

All in all it worked out in the end. I have sold the Waffen Werks and I am keeping the imported early model "neutered" Century. Alot of decision making involved 10 vrs 30 round mags, muzzle brake vrs no muzzle break, metal trigger vrs plastic trigger.

I just gelled with the single stack sporter, I was amazed at the accuracy with known lesser quality ammo (Herters 154 gr soft points).

I will update photos when my Zahal kit arrives and when I settle on a muzzle brake/optics/mounts.

Here is the targets from my shooting over the weekend (easy decision huh?) :cool:

WAFFEN WERKS, from 30 yards laying prone, iron sights at "Universal setting"

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04680.jpg

CAI VZ58, from 30 yards laying prone, iron sights at "3 setting"

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04679.jpg

WAFFEN WERKS, seated position with rest, iron sights set to "3" (low group) and then "5" (high upper right group)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04682.jpg

CAI VZ58, from 100 yards seated position with rest, iron sights set to "3" ( right grouping) and then kept the sights at "3" and aimed left of black (middle/left grouping).

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04681.jpg

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 02:29 AM
Bennybone
Lol yes there may be too many decisions to make. As much as I hear bad about century in the VS platform they seem to do the best. As well you have the Czech receiver so some of the problems are not going to be there. Do you have the Czech barrel? I hear green mountain makes the century barrels now but I wonder if they did when yours was built.

Either way it really does not matter as it looks like yo have a good shooter in the century. I hope my Waffen werks turns out to be do as well.
I have been told the herters is repackaged Wolf just Cabelas store brand, These guns seem to like it.

I look forward to hearing your impressions of the Zahal parts I too have been looking at them and wondering. I like the idea of the t-pod but just read some issues with the magazine length. People seem to speak well of the hand guards and grip.

nalioth
December 23, 2010, 04:48 AM
As much as I hear bad about century in the VS platform they seem to do the best. As well you have the Czech receiver so some of the problems are not going to be there. Do you have the Czech barrel? I hear green mountain makes the century barrels now but I wonder if they did when yours was built.His was built entirely in the former Czechoslavakia.

As he's described, it's an original Czech import with a slimline mag well and proprietary "sporting" magazine. It's Czech-made from muzzle to butt stock.

Maverick223
December 23, 2010, 05:10 AM
Welcome to THR, armed hiker!

I have to recommend any of the several D-Technik built VZ.58s (imprted by TGI, CZ-USA, or Czechpoint) despite not having any significant experience with any others. Mine has been fantastic, and despite some nice features offered by other manufacturers (like bayonet lugs and a threaded muzzle) there are too many lacking features (like a chrome lined bbl or quality fire control group) for my taste, as well as several unfavorable reviews (mostly regarding the Century VZ.2008 builds). As far as a build goes, it is what you make it. Do it well with good parts and I have no doubt that it will be as good or better as a D-Technik complete rifle import...whether or not you'll save any money I can't say. Uncle Mike would be a great person to ask, as he did just that. He has quite a bit of experience with other rifles (I hear he specializes in AKs :evil:) so he should be able to give an accurate difficulty comparison and might even be willing to share some tips and tricks he learned along the way.

:)

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 02:09 PM
Nalioth
I see that now, sounds like a great way to make a century gun is to just have them import the competition lol.

Sounds like Bennybone did well with his. I am a little concerned with the accuracy he saw from his waffen werks. I expect to fine tune the sights but I don't see what has caused the gun to shoot worse than a similar build from the same company. Muzzle device?

maverick223
Thanks ! Yes I have been researching these guns for a while and your advice is certainly conventional wisdom. The waffenwerks guns Should be the best of both worlds. D-Technik built and with a bayonet mount and muzzle device. I will find out soon they were due to ship some time around now.

Whatever it is I will play with it a bit to get to try out the gun. If things go well I see Czechpoint is offering receivers, kits are not $50 anymore but Building has its own rewards. I don't think I have seen a non factory kit for sale yet, people must like them.

Maverick223
December 23, 2010, 02:24 PM
The waffenwerks guns Should be the best of both worlds. D-Technik built and with a bayonet mount and muzzle device. I will find out soon they were due to ship some time around now.I agree, it should afford both good workmanship and better features. Make sure and give us an update as to how well it performs when it arrives (I think, and hope, Bennybone's was just the one that got away).

:)

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 03:02 PM
Make sure and give us an update as to how well it performs when it arrives

I will for sure, man that wait is killing me. This is why I purchase face to face.

Bennybone
December 23, 2010, 04:08 PM
Keep in mind that I was shooting two different styles of the gun, Military Stock vrs Sporter Stock AND that the wind was blowing at the time of shooting.

I recorded the shots up near the target on video and that is what made the decision for me - For this reason.

The Century VZ58 placed more shots into the same/adjacent holes more consistenly than the WW VZ58. There was less here and there with the Century gun.

Is it the muzzle brake? Possibly, this is a debateable subject as the ballastics of the bullet are effected by the concentric forces of muzzle gas as the bullet is launched out the end of the barrel. I think that you should research other owners photos of their target practice and concentrate on finding photos of owners with the muzzle brake, if you start to see a trend post the links and get back to us as that would start to lend credibility to the notion.

Shooting has so many variables the least of which is bullet type/make , you see this many a time when guys/gals are hunting down different ammo types to see what the gun likes... I don't mean to alarm you about the accuracy of the VZ58 I just wanted to lend for discussion to this "CLUB" why I chose one gun over the other.

After all it could be worse, it could be less accurate than an AK - Har Har Har...

I am curious to know how many other "neutered" Century imports are out there, not that I am disillusioned to think that this gun is worth 3 - 4 times it value as a collectable but I am curious nonetheless as nearly two weeks of daily research didn't uncover another owner mentioning that they have one.

I am going to shoot and modify the heck out of it anyways, what with it being that I paid what I did for it I may as well enjoy the heck out of it.

BB

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 05:19 PM
Bennybone
I think that you should research other owners photos of their target practice and concentrate on finding photos of owners with the muzzle brake, if you start to see a trend post the links and get back to us as that would start to lend credibility to the notion.

Lol... you are killing me. You do know I will be doing this, lets see what we find.
anyone want to post up reference materials?

It was plain to see the difference in your two targets. I am assuming that you had used the same ammo on the same day and in similar conditions. That's good stuff for comparisons. Now we just need you to remove the barrel extension off of the century and add a similar muzzle brake and see if you start shooting around corners.:what:

I don't think many would have made a different choice than you given that it seems the you do not have a "neutered" century but actually have a high end VZ58 that just happens to have a century logo on it. kind of like a double minted coin or other rare occurrences.

Video?

nalioth
December 23, 2010, 05:23 PM
Nalioth
I see that now, sounds like a great way to make a century gun is to just have them import the competition lol.Actually, Century was the first to import the Czech Vz58 (in a neutered state). It took them about 2 more years to figure out they wanted to produce their own.



Armed Hiker, please use tags instead of tags. It makes what you're quoting more readable (and doesn't cause a 3x width web page).

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 05:39 PM
nalioth

please use tags instead of tags. It makes what you're quoting more readable (and doesn't cause a 3x width web page).


Lol.... I will get it , I am not that up on message boards. feel free to point me in the proper direction when I stray, I promise not to take offense.

When you say "in a neutered state" what are you referring to?
I look at his Century and it looks to be the same as what Czechpoint and others are selling right now.
1. D-Technik receiver

2. Chrome lined barrel (assuming since it has the chopped up bayonet mount and barrel extender.

I did not catch weather he had 922r parts but does he need them if the receiver had not been modified still a sporter (no 30rd mags)?

I think he is as far away from a current century product as czechpoint is.
No?

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 05:43 PM
Wow looked at that posting and that was bad. can I go back and fix it?

Maverick223
December 23, 2010, 10:51 PM
When you say "in a neutered state" what are you referring to?Just that it uses a 10rnd. single stack magazine rather than the standard double stack. Per my understanding 922r is not in effect unless this is changed (which I assume he intends to do).

Wow looked at that posting and that was bad. can I go back and fix it?Sure can, there should be a little "Edit" button on the bottom right of the post...click it and modify as needed.

:)

Bennybone
December 23, 2010, 11:05 PM
I do not plan on milling out the receiver to accomodate double stack mags, i would sooner find another gunbroker deal and have two VZ 58(s) .

Instead of "neutered" maybe we should call it short... Well nevermind I would rather be called anything but short :D

Videos, couldn't crop them any closer I guess you need an advanced degree it techno-nerd to know how to do that.

These videos coincide with the target photos from above.

ENJOY !

Waffen Werks VZ58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcOerUn3QU

CAI VZ58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACIxnqaaM8U

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 11:06 PM
Maverick223
Thanks ! post fixed.

That's what I thought about the 10rd receiver. I have been lead to believe all of the Vz58's come in that way and just some are modified in country. Any thoughts on that?
I believe that they could not import them with the 30 rounders (and bayonet mount).

armed hiker
December 23, 2010, 11:14 PM
Bennybone
Nice videos! lol the shots were quiet enough down range I hope never to be on that end.

Oh and better not feed that hay to the critters you have so much lead in it you can hear it clang .... lol

nalioth
December 23, 2010, 11:59 PM
That's what I thought about the 10rd receiver. I have been lead to believe all of the Vz58's come in that way and just some are modified in country. Any thoughts on that?You are correct. All VZ58s are imported with a "single stack" receiver and no US parts.

The importer mills open the mag well and adds 922r parts before sending them on to distributors.

Bennybone
December 26, 2010, 12:00 PM
I installed the Zahal.org / FAB Defense polymer rifle upgrade combo kit ~ $ 190.00 last night.

Thoughts and impressions: It looks great but getting there was a battle. The products arrived nicely packaged with NO INSTRUCTIONS. I went to Zahal's and FAB's websites, plenty o' photos but no instructions. I searched the Internet and there are a few other owners with the kits already on but nobody really speaks to what it takes to outfit the gun and convert it to tacticool...

So I approached the situation blind, BAD IDEA !

5 hours later and a few knicked up finders and knuckles it was complete.

NOTES: On the sporter stock, drop the pistol grip screw first and then when unscrewing the interior receiver nut which holds the stock in place turn RIGHT to unscrew. (Reverse threaded).

On the lower handguard, I looked like a Monkey trying to woo a football, how is one supposed to beat the heck out of a small little pin without knicking/gashing/mauling the receiver and stock???? I finally wrapped the gun in a shirt and placed it in a vice and cinched down on it with the base of the receiver butted up against the table with cushioning under that. Had to go for the handheld sledge after numerous attempts with just a hammer. Used a stubby phillips screwdriver and FINALLY the pin released !!! As I read and read and read on the Internet someone out there stated that it doesn't matter which side you move the pin to even though it looks like one end has a flanged head. Just keep trying.

Next was separating the Sporter upper handguard from the metallic piston cover. Where is that football....? Oh my goodness did I feel like a supreme **** when I finally figured this one out. Again no instructions on the manufactures website and no Internet guides from other owners. So I pryed and pryed and pryed on that Sporter handguard section, I even miraculously got the middle holder out but couldn't get the two to separate. I was desperate at this point and pissed, and in my frustration I began twisting the part (in a wringing motion) and guess what, that thing turns 180 degrees in place and drops right out. HOLY $#%* .

So I replace the handguards, install the cheapo red-dot. Get to the recoil buffer and again come to the conclusion that someone at this point, someone of a higher order, is just wanting to have some fun at my expense.... They package an allen wrench with the recoil buffer tube and eventually I discovered the secret access point under the recoil tube in which you slide the end way up in there to disengage the middle bolt from the counter-threaded outer bolt.

Lastly the buttstock will only go so far onto the back end of the buffer tube before it stops dead in its tracks and won't go any further. Once again it is time to play with the football. I tried and tried to get that tube in there but it wouldnt budge. Well the secret is that when it stops you must then pull out manually on the bolt on the exterior of the butt stock to further removed the retaining bolt to allow for passage.

DONE.

I guess by now you have figured out that I have NEVER converted a gun before, nor do I have a large overhead of creativity.... But if I can do this then I am sure anyone can. Here are the final results.

BEFORE:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04683Small.jpg

BEFORE: parts exploded out for viewing (all stock)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04684Small.jpg

AFTER: parts exploded out for viewing (Kit)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04685Small.jpg

AFTER: Assembled whole

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04686Small.jpg

AFTER: Front handguards / rail system

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04687Small.jpg

AFTER: Buttstock and recoil tube

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04688Small.jpg

Maverick223
December 26, 2010, 01:35 PM
Lookin' good, Bennybone.

I understand the desire to keep plugging till you figure something out, but you should have come here in your frustration. I have completely disassembled (just for familiarization) mine and already discovered some of the tricks to removing the furniture and such (I am sure that there are others here with similar experience...and more of it). That said, you got it done, and it looks good, so no worries.

:)

Dave Markowitz
December 26, 2010, 09:49 PM
I have a Century VZ-2008. It had some teething problems when I first got it a couple years ago, but after a break-in period it's been trouble free. Initially, the phosphate finish inside the action was thick enough to impeded cycling. I got numerous failures to extract and eject. After polishing the contact points by degreasing, "lubricating" with Flitz metal polish, working the action about 100 times, and finally cleaning and properly lubing, it ran much better. Since I crossed the 200 round threshold it's ran 100% for at least 400 rounds.

http://www.flintlock.org/zenphoto/zp-core/i.php?a=vz-2008&i=dscn1247.jpg&s=595&cw=&ch=&q=85

http://www.flintlock.org/zenphoto/zp-core/i.php?a=vz-2008&i=dscn1258.jpg&s=595&cw=&ch=&q=85

The butt pad is from FSE, the brake is from CNC Warrior, and the paracord wrap on the stock was done by me.

At some point I may replace the furniture and/or install a red dot. In the meantime, I'm happy with it.

nalioth
December 26, 2010, 10:55 PM
The butt pad is from FSEFor those of you who may be interested, it's not a Vz58 butt pad.

It's a copy of the Soviet "baby shoe" grenade launcher butt pad, which - in its original form - was issued to combloc soldiers who get to fire grenades from their AK.

It'll add about an inch to your LOP.

Dave Markowitz
December 26, 2010, 11:01 PM
That's correct about the FSE butt pad. Although it was intended for AKs, it fits the VZ-58 stock like it was made for it.

Maverick223
December 27, 2010, 01:27 AM
Dave, I did the same thing to my folder (all of 'em for that matter)...it isn't pictured in the above photo (post no. 1) because that is a "out-of-box" shot, but that was the first thing I added (the sling came pre-installed, otherwise that'd be the first). The paracord makes it generally more comfortable, not stick to you on cold, icy days, helps with cheek weld, and adds a bit of useful material for survival.

Glad to hear that your CAI build is reliable with a little work...how is accuracy?

:)

Dave Markowitz
December 27, 2010, 12:19 PM
I'm seeing accuracy on par with my AKs. About at inch at 25 yards, 4 to 5" at 100 yards. For me the limiting factors are the open sights and short sight radius, which magnifies any aiming errors. I can keep my Arsenal SLR-101SG under 4" at 100 but it has a Mojo peep installed, and frankly, it's got a better barrel than most other AKs.

Maverick223
December 27, 2010, 01:13 PM
That isn't bad; FWIW, CzechPoint sells a peep that replaces the rear leaf (uses the existing slider) that might help. I plan to purchase one, just need to figure out what my plans are for the furniture first.

:)

Bennybone
December 29, 2010, 10:32 AM
Consider this my attempt to "recruit" more people into our "Club" :)

As of today, 12-29-10, there are some good deals out there for REAL VZ58's. Do a google search for VZ58 and you will see that Wholesale Hunter has what are stated to be CZ-USA VZ58's for 639.99 plus 25.00 shipping to your FFL. States that they have 4 left.

Also there is an individual on Calguns forum selling a VZ58 built using the ORF (Ohio Rapid Fire) reciever states that it is new and only test fired... You are basically buying a home built kit. Price is 500.00

I do not know these people, I do not vouch for the quality or functionality of their offerings again i am only spreading the knowledge of what is available to date to get some new owners a fair deal.

Goodluck let us know if you buy one!!!

BB

Racebannon
December 29, 2010, 10:46 AM
I have the real CZ 58, it's a great gun, much better than my AKs.

Bennybone
December 29, 2010, 01:04 PM
Oh yea... Post up a pic, lets see it.

What makes it better than your AK's, in your opinion?

Welcome to the Club

Maverick223
December 29, 2010, 01:18 PM
Welcome to the club, Racebannon. I'll second the motion for pics.

BTW, thanks for the references, BB. I wouldn't be a bit afraid of the CZ-USA ones (like my own), but while the kit may be high quality it depends greatly on the smith that built it.

:)

nalioth
December 29, 2010, 05:20 PM
BTW, thanks for the references, BB. I wouldn't be a bit afraid of the CZ-USA ones (like my own), but while the kit may be high quality it depends greatly on the smith that built it.*cough*manufacturer of receiver*cough*

Other variables to consider exist with that rifle, too.

Maverick223
December 29, 2010, 06:21 PM
^Are there known problems with the ORF receivers?

:)

nalioth
December 29, 2010, 07:14 PM
^Are there known problems with the ORF receivers?

:)You'll need the "big guffaw" smiley for that statement.


Honestly, you haven't heard of ORFs "quality" products?

Maverick223
December 29, 2010, 08:30 PM
Honestly, you haven't heard of ORFs "quality" products?I have but I haven't heard of problems with their VZ.58 clones. IIRC they had big problems with the fire control group and improper mating on the trunnions of AKs...and in hindsight if you can muck up a bent section of sheet metal riveted to a cast hunk-o-steel, and a hammer fired FCG...well, you should be able to mess up a machined receiver and striker FCG pretty good. :uhoh:

Not that I don't believe you, but what are the problems with the VZ.58 receivers? I am sure that there are other folks considering buying/building one (or already having problems with theirs). BTW, thanks for bringing this to our attention, nalioth.

:)

armed hiker
December 30, 2010, 11:27 PM
As I was looking into building a VZ instead of buying one built I went through the roller coaster ride that was ORF. So many wanted a good receiver at a good price to build these guns and it seems that there were more than a few teething problems. they all could have been worked out given time.

I would be cautious of a gun with the ORF receiver, maybe more so than a century build ... lol

BennyBone
Nice job on the VZ , I looked at that stock how do you like it? I wondered if the raised piece was solid or not.

Dave.
It looks as though century may be getting their act together, I read more good things about their VZ2000 than bad. Thats good and bad for me, now I may need another VZ.

Bennybone
January 3, 2011, 06:51 PM
Here is the latest setup, going to the range on Thursday to sight in the scope. I have never shot well with a red dot (no military training) so the consistency is not there for me. Hoping this pistol scope will do the trick. Plan to try and zero at 75 or 100 yards. Will post best grouping with new Military Classic (Wolf) JHP.

BB

2x - 7x illuminated reticle pistol scope, hopefully spent casings don't hit the scope...

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04689Small.jpg

Here is a view from the cheek rest of the fence in the backyard.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04691Small.jpg

Maverick223
January 3, 2011, 08:09 PM
Never tried a EER optic on one, but I don't believe you'll find a problem with your clearance (IIRC it ejects pretty much straight up (in other words, neither forward or back) and slightly to the rt. side.

:)

armed hiker
January 5, 2011, 12:00 AM
Bennybone
That magazine length looks just about right on your gun, be sure to let us know how your mods work for you.

Spec ops Grunt
January 6, 2011, 10:27 AM
J&G sales has a sell going on for VZ 2008's.

http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/rifles/ak-pattern-rifles/rifles/ak-pattern-rifles/cPath/209_214/page/1/sort/4a


Edit: It's cheaper than J&G's WASR prices! :O

TOU
January 6, 2011, 11:34 AM
VZ2008 Sporter 7.62x39 w/ Fixed Synthetic Stock & Milled Receiver, by CAI $429.95 $359.95

VZ2008 Sporter 7.62x39 w/ Fixed Wood Stock & Milled Receiver, by CAI (Backordered) $429.95 $359.95

VZ2008 Sporter 7.62x39 w/ Side Folding Stock & Milled receiver, by CAI $429.95 $359.95
I don't think there is any more CAI "monkey guns" for me...no matter what the price. :banghead: I think I would rather pay twice the price for a D-TECHNIK...JMHO.

GCMkc
January 6, 2011, 01:42 PM
I've gambled with the C93's from Century. If it doesn't work, just send it back in and they will send a new one. I think that these vz2008 sporters are almost too good to pass up at that price. If you get a lemon, send her back!

Bennybone
January 6, 2011, 09:43 PM
Today was the day at the range with the VZ58 and new scoped setup, I got to the range late so I didn't have as much time as I would have liked to further sight in the scope and concentrate on each and every shot. BUT no complaints any day at the range is a ..... :cool:

ALL OF THE BELOW IS SEATED AND SUPPORTED 10 shots:

30 yards with the scope on 2x power:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/30yardsVZ58SeatedSupportedSmall.jpg

50 yards with the scope on 5x power: (Two in bullseye, tried to higlight with offset color)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/50yrdsVZ58seatedsupportedSmall2.jpg

100 yards with scope at 7x power: (The range closed before I could make adjustment to come over to the right and try for a final grouping) :cuss:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/100yrdsVZ58seatedsupportedSmall.jpg

I'm happy, this was much easier than trying with open sights or red dot. Going pig hunting January 21 - 23rd hopefully I will have more photos then!!!

Maverick223
January 6, 2011, 10:17 PM
Good luck with Mrs. Piggy, Bennybone.

:)

Bennybone
January 21, 2011, 09:36 AM
Adding this information to this thread for historical reference related to Century Arms involvement with the VZ58. Earlier in this thread I covered my purchase of an early import Century rifle which I mistook for a VZ2008.

Century Arms was the original importer of the VZ58 and sold it under part number Ri-1309-N. They were only offered as Single Stack receiver with two 10 round mags (below)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/VZ58CAiR-1309-N.jpg

Sometime later after they were no longer the importer, Century began offering their own build of the rifle made up of Czech used parts kits and US made barrels and receivers. These current rifles are sold under part number RI-1554-X, offered as folding stock or fixed stock double stack receivers with two 30 round mags (below)

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/currentcaiofferings.jpg

Bennybone
January 21, 2011, 09:38 AM
Oh and if someone knows where I can buy more of the original Century guns (RI-1309-N's) PM me. Thx

Maverick223
January 21, 2011, 11:10 PM
Thanks for sharing, Benny. I know this isn't much help, but I imagine that keeping an eye out for one on GB or GunsAmerica would be your best bet.

:)

NWCP
January 22, 2011, 03:08 AM
I ended up dressing my CZ VZ58 with ZAHAL furnishings. It's as reliable as they come and battle accurate at 100 yards. I wouldn't own an AK after getting my VZ. The one ZAHAL addition that was really nice is the recoil reducing M4 adjustable stock. I'm going to have to take a photo sometime soon. The rifle really is worth the money, I would get one through Czechpoint since CZ quit selling them. Czechpoint was doing the builds for CZ anyway.

nalioth
January 22, 2011, 03:28 AM
I would get one through Czechpoint since CZ quit selling them. Czechpoint was doing the builds for CZ anyway.They're actually built in the former Czechoslovakia.

CZ-USA elected to stop selling them for some reason, and Czechpoint picked up the reins.

Bangzoom
January 22, 2011, 06:35 PM
I am the proud owner of this rifle with the natural beech wood furniture...took it to the range last weekend...cannot remember when I had more fun shooting. This is an awesome rifle...

(I noticed a couple of days after I ordered the rifle from Czechpoint, they posted the Military Classic (with natural wood) as Out of Stock.

Czechpoint is great to deal with too.

Thanks.

Bangzoom

Maverick223
January 22, 2011, 06:44 PM
Bangzoom, welcome to the club, and to THR!

:)

Bangzoom
January 22, 2011, 06:49 PM
Thanks Maverick!

Bangzoom

Bennybone
January 23, 2011, 10:51 PM
BangZoom, WELCOME !

I would like to see some pics of your acquisition, THANKS!

Maverick223
January 24, 2011, 01:33 AM
+1, pics or your membership is eligible for revocation! :p

Bangzoom
January 24, 2011, 07:50 AM
BangZoom, WELCOME !

I would like to see some pics of your acquisition, THANKS!
OK Bennybone....as soon as I can get a pic and figure out how to post it here...thanks!

BZ

abcdef
January 30, 2011, 09:24 PM
Thinking about getting a VA 58. Has anyone experienced any problems with the Czechpoint plastic parts like the trigger or mag follower/baseplates? How are these holding up? Are there any additional US parts available so that surplus mags may be used?

Thanks!

ifit
January 30, 2011, 11:42 PM
i have in upwards of 1k rounds + through my vz and never had any issues with the plastic trigger or floor plates. they do sell the steel triggers, i beleive czechpoint might have some plastic floor plates for sale

nalioth
January 31, 2011, 04:36 AM
Thinking about getting a VA 58. Has anyone experienced any problems with the Czechpoint plastic parts like the trigger or mag follower/baseplates? How are these holding up? Are there any additional US parts available so that surplus mags may be used?
1) US made gas piston from hotbarrel (http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5461) (an individual) will add one US part
2) US made pistol grip from Ronin (http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79335) (another individual) will add one US part

These two additional US parts will allow you to use any magazine, provided you don't change any other US parts for foreign ones.


As far as the "plastic parts", it seems it's only the people who hate plastic guns who are doing the crying over them.

ifit
January 31, 2011, 11:35 PM
some pics i found, and hopefully some day a company will produce these for us, i would definately pick up a pistol version if offered, cannot own SBR where im from:(
5.56 version SBR
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/IMGP0378_1.jpg
7.62, interesting how they mod the vz to accept ak mags
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/IMGP0381_1.jpg
hell will even pick up a sniper version if offered, or is this a DMR?
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/IMGP0025_1.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/IMGP0015_1_1.jpg

armoredman
February 1, 2011, 12:05 AM
abcdef, a member that goes by obiwanbonjovi at czforumsite.info has USA made and marked gas pistons and steel triggers. We also have Niet Arms over there with Czechpoint. Neit has great ambi mag releases and bolt releases that are simply awesome.

Maverick223
February 1, 2011, 12:45 AM
abcdef, I really like my Czech made VZ.58 (D-Technik/CZ-USA build imported my TDI), and have neither had nor seen of any problems with the plastic parts, though I can see where the floorplate might crack with a violent impact.

Thanks for the added info, nalioth and armoredman.

ifit, those are some pretty neat builds (FWIW I believe the long bbl'd variant is more of a DMR than a true sniper rifle)...especially the SBRs. While I have no interest in a 5.56NATO/.223Rem copy, one chambered for 5.45x39mm would make a nice plinker.

:)

abcdef
February 1, 2011, 02:44 AM
Very cool, thanks for all the replies and links! Now I just have to find one. I like what I've read about the D-Technik models, sounds like the plastic/polymer parts won't be a problem.

Maverick223
February 1, 2011, 03:53 PM
Check out TGI to see if they still have any of these (http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27_28&products_id=1063) in stock. It seems to be the best deal going ATM.

:)

abcdef
February 2, 2011, 12:43 AM
Maverick: Thanks for the link, that is the best price for a new one I've seen. I sent them an e-mail to see if they have any fixed stocked models.

Maverick223
February 2, 2011, 01:05 AM
No problem, hope they have one for ya.

:)

Bangzoom
February 3, 2011, 02:22 PM
Here's my pics....

135590

135591

Maverick223
February 3, 2011, 02:26 PM
That is a nice looking rifle with the wood furniture, Bangzoom!

:)

Bangzoom
February 3, 2011, 10:32 PM
Thanks Maverick....

rocinante
February 4, 2011, 02:59 PM
Well I just joined the club by ordering a century from classic arms. Maybe joining as the branch of the family on the wrong side of the tracks but still close kin :)

Maverick223
February 4, 2011, 07:01 PM
Welcome and good luck with your new rifle, rocinante.

:)

rocinante
February 4, 2011, 07:29 PM
Maverick thank you for the nice greeting unlike some I got at another board I posted at. It got my dander up so I had to write a defensive reply. I think it is both accurate and amusing but I am one of those that laughs at his own jokes sometimes.

Geez give a guy who does not *** golden goose eggs a break. I know it has the hated name CENTURY but they didn't go down to Lowes and buy a piece of PVC pipe for a barrel or contract with some dirt floor machine shop in the Swat Valley of Pakistan for a receiver. I did a little research and not many folks that have bought the recent ones are bad mouthing them. Everyone that gave feedback at J & G gave it a five star. Fact is several that own it and the pricier czech imports claim the Century outshoots. SHOCK!!! BLASPHEMY !!!

This is who makes the receiver. They also make FAL receivers. Not exactly joe's garage guys.

http://www.northcountryeng.com/

Green Mountain makes the barrels. I don't hear too much about them churning out a bad product.

http://www.gmrifleba...utdoorResources

Everything else is Czech military parts kits.

I don't know if Century has their infamous monkeys slamming them together but it wouldn't be unheard of them contracting that task out to people with a mild pot instead of a harsh hallucinogenic meth habit.

Chrome line barrels aren't the be all end all of of everything. Plenty, maybe most, rifles do not have them. All the legendary arms like Garand and M14 and 1911s and .. do. Whoops. No they do not. Well all the high end target rifles do. Whoops caught telling more lies. Yes they are easier to clean and last longer but I doubt I will ever shoot it down to a shiny shotgun bore.

Besides for 370 it has to beat your run of the mill WASR 10 wouldn't you think?

Can't we all just get along?

Maverick223
February 4, 2011, 07:41 PM
Besides for 370 it has to beat your run of the mill WASR 10 wouldn't you think?Yep, sure do. There is absolutely no reason to put down a man for purchasing something that you might not choose yourself. In all likelihood your CAI will serve you well.

:)

Bohemus
February 7, 2011, 10:22 AM
Just quick question: Have you ever tried to conceal and carry your vz.58?
I found these photos and wonder if anyone actualy practise it
http://sweb.cz/walt.fotky/zaves%201.jpg
http://sweb.cz/walt.fotky/zaves%202.jpg
(source: Walt, www.strelectvi.cz)

Maverick223
February 7, 2011, 12:37 PM
I can't effectively conceal my H&K USP-45FS (which is pretty dang big), so I don't think that would work for me (nor would it be terribly comfortable), but that is an interesting concept. Anyone know if it is legal to conceal a rifle here somewhere in the US (if so, please specify where). I don't see why not (as long as it is legal and you can legally conceal), but I can't say that I know anyone that has tried it either. FWIW I don't believe it would here in NC, because our CWP is a "Concealed Handgun Permit".

:)

nalioth
February 7, 2011, 12:44 PM
I can't effectively conceal my H&K USP-45FS (which is pretty dang big), so I don't think that would work for me (nor would it be terribly comfortable), but that is an interesting concept. Anyone know if it is legal to conceal a rifle here somewhere in the US (if so, please specify where).Texas has no restrictive long gun laws.

IOW, there is no law here prohibiting carrying a long gun any way you desire, so long as you don't carry in violation of the general firearms laws.

Maverick223
February 7, 2011, 12:46 PM
That was quick. Thanks for the info, nalioth.

:)

rocinante
February 11, 2011, 04:22 PM
I got my rifle in last night. First impressions are very favorable. It definitely feels lighter than my saiga and points real nice and feels balanced. The receiver and barrel look great, nicely machined and black parkerized. Sights look straight. This may sound odd but even the rock and lock feels easier. This one had the wood stock and they look new. I wonder where they came from and if they are czech because the underside of the hand guards still had cosmoline on them. I removed the hand guards to install a MAKO set. I boogered up the wood on the upper hand guard trying to get it off until I figured out how to really do it. The metal does not come apart. Grip or better yet put in a vise the metal ends and twist the wood off. So easy a caveman can do it. The MAKO stuff seemed solid and I put a red dot on it and a pistol grip. I am outfitting this one for my teenage son and he had me order a very long front pistol grip which totally interferes with the magazine. I told him so but being a doting dad makes you agree to dumb stuff sometimes. He really likes the look of the czechpoint polymer stock set so I ordered one for him. Not too bad, 50 including the butt pad and cheek rest. Hopefully the length of pull will be a little longer because the current stock has that commie tucked in too tight feel. Also ordered 4 more magazine. Got a muzzle brake on the way. I guess it is a testament to all the good reviews I have read on the rifle and my own compulsive nature that I ordered so much stuff without even seeing or firing the gun first. I ordered a folder with the resin stocks from jgsales. At 380 shipped how could I go wrong?

Hopefully I will be able to take it to the indoor range soon just to sight in the red dot and get a general impression. IMHO YMMV FWIW YADA YADA I believe I got a nice gun.

Maverick223
February 11, 2011, 09:09 PM
This may sound odd but even the rock and lock feels easier.Not at all, I agree that it is more refined (for lack of a better term) than the AK, which should come as no surprise as the entire rifle exudes the same feel IMO.

I look forward to your upcoming range review.

:)

armoredman
February 11, 2011, 10:18 PM
vz-58 is a great rifle, and adding accessories from Czechpoitn and Neit Arms just makes it better. :)
That "concealed" set up is a little odd, would work a LOT better with a 20 round mag, plus getting the rifle up to a shooting stance would be hard. Looks like for point and shoot single point sling style shooting. How hard is it to release it to swing out that folding stock?

Scott7891
February 12, 2011, 04:42 PM
Here is my Vz-58. It is an ORF-build. Only problem I had with it was the front sight was canted (got it fixed) and the pin holding the lower handguard to the receiver was not staked correctly (also fixed).

I ironically got this one when I sold my Czech built one. Many of you will be scratching your heads wondering why I would sell a Czech-made one for a U.S. parts built one from Ohio Rapid Fire of all people is:

-a huge chunk of the top hand-guard was missing when I bought and it was NIB

-the bakelite furniture was wobbly, was not sturdy at all, replaced with wood furniture

-the screw threads holding the pistol grip and butt-stock i guess were not staked or built properly so I had to rescrew the pistol grip and buttstock into the threads properly after every range visit and i did not fire it much

-the magazine it came with did not work at all, would only feed one or two rounds at a time, worked fine with surplus mags

-trigger group felt tacky and wrong

-did not like the finish

-lacked bayonet lug and muzzle brake, i am a purist at heart

Sold my Czech Vz-58 to the Captain of the Rochester, NY SWAT Team


So far my ORF made one has been reliable and super accurate. Has correct military finish I want and features (yes the brake is welded permanently so is still Title 1). Plus I got a ton of replacement parts to go with it when I got it. I know ORF has had heat-treating issues with their receivers. I have not seen any cracks yet so here is hoping that it will last as long as I do.

Maverick223
February 12, 2011, 08:38 PM
Welcome to the club, Scott!

:)

Bennybone
February 13, 2011, 01:10 PM
The weather has been crap lately, can't wait to get out this weekend with the VZ, try for Mrs. Piggy again.

Maverick223
February 13, 2011, 01:25 PM
Good luck Bennybone; I welcome photos of anything shot with your VZ (that goes for everyone; pitchurs are always good).

:)

abcdef
February 15, 2011, 07:52 PM
Hi:

Has anyone used the Stormwerkz VZ58 stock adaptor with a fixed (non folding) ACE skeleton stock? Does it fit well? secure? Wobble free? Thanks!

http://www.stormwerkz.com/Description_Pages/VZ58_SA_VZ58_03_Views.html

armoredman
February 15, 2011, 08:49 PM
Some of the guys whon post pics at czforumsite.info use the Stormwerkz adapters, and they like them.
The price of the Century's makes even me interested in getting one just to test it out, but I lack the scratch to do so.

mic_poo
February 15, 2011, 11:37 PM
I like the look of the ACE stock... not so much the AR slider though.

Maverick223
February 15, 2011, 11:46 PM
The ACE skeleton stock (and the folder for it) is a well made and robust stock (I have one on my Saiga-12), but personally I like the standard folder for the VZ.58. It is well designed, durable, and best of all it comes free with the rifle (depending upon which one you choose). The only real fault that I can think of is if you plan to use optics, as it is fairly low (doubt it would provide a good cheek weld).

:)

abcdef
February 20, 2011, 12:54 PM
Thanks to all for for the feedback. Took a good look at a brand new out of the box D-Technik, seems very well built and assembled. The barrel was very, very soiled, make sure you run a bore brush/solvent patches through the barrel before firing it for the first time. Maybe it was just black colored grease but the patches were filthy. Everything else was pretty clean out of the box. After cleaning you get a nice shiny bore with defined lands and grooves. The CD-Rom that came with it was well done, by far the most technical and informative owners manual for a commercial firearm I've seen. They really went into detail about the development of the civilian export model and the engineering effort and overcoming various problems during the design process.

CobraGT
February 20, 2011, 05:14 PM
Mine :) (note the long barrels, required to make them 'non-restricted' here north of the border)

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/cobragt/Vz58L005.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/cobragt/Rifle.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c281/cobragt/DSCFFavorites.jpg

Maverick223
February 20, 2011, 05:20 PM
Welcome to the club, CobraGT! How long are those tubes...20in.?

:)

CobraGT
February 20, 2011, 06:21 PM
18.5"-ish, to be unrestricted here... we can have shorter barrels, but then they are subject to stricter transport requirements and can only be fired at gun ranges :banghead:

Maverick223
February 20, 2011, 06:36 PM
Wow, that extra little bit of length sure looks like more...I suppose it is just the m4gery that it is pictured beside making it appear that way. Have you thought about dressing one up like the DMR variant as seen in post no. 148?

:)

rocinante
February 20, 2011, 08:02 PM
CobraGT that 18.5 is only 2.5 inches long than what is legal here in the U.S. I like the way yours looks and wonder if the little bit of extra length has a positive impact. Could you cut your back and have the muzzle brake permanently attached and still be legal up there?

CobraGT
February 20, 2011, 10:32 PM
CobraGT that 18.5 is only 2.5 inches long than what is legal here in the U.S. I like the way yours looks and wonder if the little bit of extra length has a positive impact. Could you cut your back and have the muzzle brake permanently attached and still be legal up there?

My understanding of our law is that if you cut the barrel to less than 18.5, you're a criminal... no ifs, ands, or buts. So nope, unfortunately not.

aubie515
February 20, 2011, 11:08 PM
Check your laws...here in PA a long gun must be at least 26" OAL...in the picture...it does not look like the rifle has a stock, so it would not meet the 26" OAl required...making it NFA.

nalioth
February 20, 2011, 11:17 PM
Check your laws...here in PA a long gun must be at least 26" OAL...in the picture...it does not look like the rifle has a stock, so it would not meet the 26" OAl required...making it NFA.Who are you addressing? There are 184 posts in this thread, and many pictures.

If you're referring to the pix most recently posted, they're posted by, and owned by a Canadian.

Maverick223
February 20, 2011, 11:52 PM
Check your laws...here in PA a long gun must be at least 26" OAL...in the picture...it does not look like the rifle has a stock, so it would not meet the 26" OAl required...making it NFA.He is in Canada, and does have a stock on all pictured rifles (though a couple are folded). Furthermore, here in the US there is no stock requirement on a 18.5in. bbl VZ (don't know about in CAN; but those crazy Canadians tend to be fairly practical and stocks come in handy so they'd probably just look at you funny if you asked :p) as it would measure about 27.5in in length (just confirmed this by measuring mine and adding about 2.5in.).

:)

CobraGT
February 21, 2011, 02:59 AM
He is in Canada, and does have a stock on all pictured rifles (though a couple are folded). Furthermore, here in the US there is no stock requirement on a 18.5in. bbl VZ (don't know about in CAN; but those crazy Canadians tend to be fairly practical and stocks come in handy so they'd probably just look at you funny if you asked :p) as it would measure about 27.5in in length (just confirmed this by measuring mine and adding about 2.5in.).

:)
lol Yep, we're pretty practical! Here, a rifle does need to be a minimum of 26" overall length AND over 18.5"ish barrel length to be 'non-restricted' (which means it tan be fired in places other than ranges). And yes, even without stocks, all of mine meet both of thos requirements :)

Our gun laws are different up here... just as weird and illogical as yours, but different

Bennybone
February 21, 2011, 08:15 PM
Good luck Bennybone; I welcome photos of anything shot with your VZ (that goes for everyone; pitchurs are always good).

:)
Well I didn't kill anything but time this past weekend.... I did however get to see what the 124gr JHP Sapsan (8m3 bullet) does to a water jug at 40 and 150 yards.

Enjoy !



[URL=] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUgxTjMbcNg (] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hxyjBmcMGE [/URL)

abcdef
February 21, 2011, 09:24 PM
Good Shoot'in Benny! Man I couldn't even see the jug at 150 yds until you zoomed in. At that range would it be better to set the rear sight for 150 since meters and yards are pretty close?

Maverick223
February 21, 2011, 09:43 PM
Bennybone, thank you for sharing the videos...they are always a welcome addition. BTW, where on earth did you find Sapsan 8M3 (or was it Wolf Mil. Classic)? I could really use a couple of boxes of the stuff, i'm not picky WRT brand just as long as it is genuine 8M3 (I dissected some new production Mil. Classic a while back only to find that my lot was loaded with the Tula HP instead of the excellent Uly. bullet).

:)

Bennybone
February 22, 2011, 11:41 AM
I lucked into 640 rounds of it on GunBroker a month ago, yes it is the true Russian labeled ULY "effect" bullets. I have 400 rounds left.

I don't know whether to shoot it all up or save it, it is marked 1998. I would think that shelf life on ammo is 10 years before it starts losing its "thwack".....

So a little bitter sweet, shoot and enjoy while it lasts or save it and hope that it is effective over the next 2 - 3 years....

If I come across anymore I will let you know :)

Bennybone
February 22, 2011, 11:47 AM
@ abcdef -

Thanks Man, too be honest I was a bit frustrated at this point of the shooting day. I had a LER scope mounted on the forerail and after taking 4 shots to get the 40 yard jug I started working on the 100 yard jug.

Well 25 rounds later the jug was still standing and I am thinking *** !

So I figured I had bumped the scope and knowing that a through cleaning was ahead I just took it off and started in on the 100 yard with open sights. 20 rounds later the jug still is sitting there.....

So I fooled with the 150 yard jug at first with setting of 3 which was hitting high and so then I went with Universal which was as you can see close enough.

Upon further inspection of the 100 yard jug when I finished the session, it had incurred shrapnel from an early miss which all the water leaked out except for an inch at the bottom. The jug had 10 holes in it so perceived misses where actually hits. So you live and you learn.

I am seriously considering a red dot mounted on the rear optic mount that Czechpoint is close to releasing.

BB

Maverick223
February 22, 2011, 12:03 PM
I lucked into 640 rounds of it on GunBroker a month ago, yes it is the true Russian labeled ULY "effect" bullets. I have 400 rounds left.

I don't know whether to shoot it all up or save it, it is marked 1998. I would think that shelf life on ammo is 10 years before it starts losing its "thwack".....

So a little bitter sweet, shoot and enjoy while it lasts or save it and hope that it is effective over the next 2 - 3 years....

If I come across anymore I will let you knowI wouldn't worry about it, ammo lasts a great deal longer than most folks realize. Corrosive in particular, but all modern nitrocellulose based ammunition will last several decades if properly stored. After a little ballistics testing, I plan to do just that...store a couple magazines of it (and hope to never have need of it).

I'd appreciate that, those boogers have become scarce.

:)

rocinante
February 22, 2011, 09:40 PM
Got my second vz2008 in. This one is a folder. The first one will be too as soon as I get my order in from czechpoint. It will take some mods or getting use to. First it is short and as a lefty the hinge is on the 'wrong' side and my nose is about half inch away from it. If I don't hold the stock tight I can see an unhappy nose in my future. I am definitely going to figure out some way to put a pad on it just for l.o.p. Second that square rod does feel sharp on your cheek. I wonder if I can pop the spring and flip it around to fold to the left? Then I would have the rear sling hook on the correct side of the gun. I could get someone to weld an attachment on the right so I could use a sling for shooting. The first rifle had the t shaped front sling ring and this one is a circle.

I got a second cnc warrior muzzle brake. I told the guy how tight the first one was and he sent me one that was looser. Too loose and it is short about a third a turn from indexing properly. Maybe it is the gun because the slant brake wasn't indexed super tight either. I think I will ask if I can return this brake and get one from the first batch that fit real tight. If that is a no go does anybody know what size washers I should get?

The bolt carrier on the first one seems to be smoother finished than the second. The second has slight swirling machining marks on it. But before anybody jumps on century for that the carrier is original czech. On thing I noticed on both bolt carriers is there is a part that is welded almost as if they had to extend that section, make it square. Was it originally different because of full auto feature?

They didn't seem to park the top cover on the second one. It is kind of a dull gray. I'll have to paint it a flat black to match up better. Otherwise the receiver and barrel is equally nicely machined and finished. The internal parts seem to be about the same state of usage, i.e. barely. Judging from the serial numbers the folder is like 700 rifles earlier than the first one.

The resin wood is kind of attractive in a functionally fugly way. I have a mako grip on the way and already have the sportster synthetic top and bottom hand guards. I might order a different metal top so I don't have to cut the tabs holding the resin wood piece in. My plan is to attach a rail directly to the top metal but it looks like the piston rides awfully close so I will have to determine if there is enough space inside for bolts.

No cant in sights.

Just got back from the range. Shot both rifles, 2 mags of wolf fmj, 1 of wolf military classic hp, 1 of something brass cases, might be yugo. No fail to feed or ejects. On the first rifle it didn't lock back on the last round once but did otherwise. Maybe the magazine? Pretty easy shooting guns even with the folding stock. The sharp rail edge and hinge didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. The czech style muzzle brake work pretty well and seem to send fireballs out of the two big side ports. Neither me or my kid will win any turkey shoots and we were firing free standing but overall it they seemed to stay in a decent spread.

I like it.

Maverick223
February 22, 2011, 10:18 PM
Second that square rod does feel sharp on your cheek. I wonder if I can pop the spring and flip it around to fold to the left?
rocinante, one of my first modifications to the rifle was a paracord wrap...simple but effective (and a good source of emergency cordage if needed). I can't see how you could reverse the folder without doing some cutting and welding.

On thing I noticed on both bolt carriers is there is a part that is welded almost as if they had to extend that section, make it square. Was it originally different because of full auto feature?I believe so, I think the addition is part of the FA/select-fire delete process.

They didn't seem to park the top cover on the second one. It is kind of a dull gray. I'll have to paint it a flat black to match up better.For some reason (possibly camo) that is the original color. I ordered mine in blk, because I feel it looks a bit better (though my mags are the original grey). I would recommend NAPA low gloss black ceramic engine paint for that job. It is rated for high heat and holds up better than anything else I have tried other than powdercoat, electrostatics, and epoxies. It also gives a nice flat drab sheen, which should match the phosphate finish fairly well.

The resin wood is kind of attractive in a functionally fugly way. I have a mako grip on the way and already have the sportster synthetic top and bottom hand guards. I might order a different metal top so I don't have to cut the tabs holding the resin wood piece in. My plan is to attach a rail directly to the top metal but it looks like the piston rides awfully close so I will have to determine if there is enough space inside for bolts.I agree with your assessment WRT the furniture. It is utilitarian to the extreme, but I like it. If the hardware clears the piston when you install it I think you'll be GTG because unlike the AK it has a short stroke piston that doesn't move much. In other words you don't have to worry about the bulged ends making contact, just the slender section in the middle.

:)

A_Matthew
February 24, 2011, 03:03 AM
BennyBone,
Is that stock on your VZ a folding stock? Or is it a collapsible stock? Also, is it the same one on Zahal.org?

http://www.zahal.org/products/vz-58-cz-858-conversion-and-accessory-kit-basic-2?path_parent=219001

Matthew

Bennybone
February 24, 2011, 11:08 AM
@ A Matthew -

Yes it is from Zahal and it is fixed but adjustible, not a folder. Installation opinions can be found on a post of mine on previous pages.

BB

A_Matthew
February 24, 2011, 01:01 PM
Bennybone,
Thanks, sorry for not reading through the thread more carefully before asking the question.:) Matthew
P.S. Nice looking rifle!

SsevenN
February 28, 2011, 06:08 PM
Hey guys, checking in. I've been a huge fan of CZ pistols since I turned 21, now I'm about to join the VZ club too!:evil: Hopefully as soon as the end of the week.;)

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/yes.gif

Maverick223
February 28, 2011, 08:08 PM
Welcome to the club, SsevenN. Make sure and give an update, and if possible a range review, when the twins are adopted. ;)

SsevenN
March 1, 2011, 11:19 AM
Thanks Maverick! Unfortunately Right after I purchased the guns their status went from in stock to back order. :(

Maverick223
March 1, 2011, 12:32 PM
Bummer. Well you know what they say; good things come to those that wait (but somehow I don't think the guy that wrote that was waiting on a new firearm...or two :rolleyes:).

:)

SsevenN
March 28, 2011, 01:33 PM
Well I went with one Czechpoint rather than 2 CAI's. Very happy with my purchase, the gun shoots better than I do.

Still plan on adding one more to the collection, CAI or CSA, haven't decided yet. :evil:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/VZ58006.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/SsevenN_photo/VZ58007.jpg

Maverick223
March 28, 2011, 06:04 PM
Nice carbine, SsevenN!

I like your paracord wrap on the buttstock, that was my only modification to mine (so far).

:)

SsevenN
March 28, 2011, 06:05 PM
Yeah my first and last modification to the gun, it's my KISS rifle. Seeing as how my primary MSAR is very overbuilt. :D

Maverick223
March 28, 2011, 06:16 PM
Yep, nice to keep it lightweight...like it was designed. When you get to the point of doubling the weight and adding items that interfere with ergonomics and controls...well you might as well have an AK. :eek: :p

SsevenN
March 28, 2011, 06:29 PM
Oh snap!

macadore
March 28, 2011, 08:43 PM
Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?

rocinante
March 28, 2011, 08:51 PM
Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?

No they are not messed up at all. I went with 2 CAI rather than 1 czechpoint and am very happy with my purchases. YMMV but I doubt it. Most owners are pleased. competitors not so much.

nalioth
March 28, 2011, 08:54 PM
Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?
No they are not messed up at all. I went with 2 CAI rather than 1 czechpoint and am very happy with my purchases. YMMV but I doubt it. Most owners are pleased. competitors not so much.Dealing with Century-produced (not Century-imported) guns is always a roll of the dice.

macadore
March 28, 2011, 09:27 PM
Thanks for the responses.

Bennybone
March 28, 2011, 11:45 PM
The Century guns are scarce at the 359.00 price point, if you are looking for one of those I would suggest waiting a couple of weeks and checking J&G sales, Classic Arms, or some other sites daily. Seems like lots of 5 - 10 are trickling out from CAI.

I was going to buy a CAI and do a head to head comparison but that didn't work out. I too thought for the price of a Czech VZ58 you could have a century build and a nice optic for the same price.

Problems to watch for fitament issues with the Zahal kit or FAB defense kit as you see on my weapon, they say it may not fit correctly.

Also the barrels on the CAI seem to be threaded a slight bit off so buying a muzzle brake and screwing it on may not be as easy as it would seem.

Lastly Dan @ Czechpoint says the exterior of the CAI receivers have a slight ridge to them which may be required to be brought down if you choose to add a side rail mount from his company.

Rociante is right, competitors are feeling the pinch of CAI's price however I believe even more concerning is the attitudes of owners. LUCKILY this Club seems to play it fairly straight up and be low key about the CAI vs D-Technik (Czechpoint) arguments.

Lets hope it stays that way......

Here is my latest configuration on my VZ58, I picked up an Aimpoint PRO and I am sending the gun in for a side rail mount this week.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/AimpointMedium.jpg

Enjoy and welcome new members!

Maverick223
March 29, 2011, 12:54 AM
+1 for Classic Arms if considering a CAI VZ-2008 (or most anything else), they seem to be good folks to deal with.

:)

millertyme
March 30, 2011, 06:07 PM
It's kind of nice to hear substantially positive remarks concerning the CAI VZ2008's. I have been considering selling off my Sun Devil AR and buying a couple. I'll have to weigh it out for now.

rocinante
April 9, 2011, 08:12 PM
pics of my vz2008s

each has a cnc warrior brake, fab grip, caa stubby vertical grip, grenade launcher pad. I used 5/16 fuel line hose and athlectic tape to make the folder more comfortable. Both will soon have a home grown quick mag release. First attempt my steel was too light of a gauge. Got a thick cookie sheet pan for 1.25 at a thrift store as a donor for attempt 2. Yep it is true. I be cheap.

Thang one I went with a fab hand guard and a chinese aimpoint clone. Had the red dot on an SKS before and it is better than what you may think. Looks like Bennybones and I had similar ideas.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g439/notahack/vz2008/DSC01626.jpg

thang two I got the synthetic top and bottom guards from czechpoint. I like its more slender classy line look. I J.B.Welded a Ruger pistol rail on the top and bolted on one of the FAB side rails on the bottom. To make the top really not move at all I squeezed each end in a vise to make it a super snug (i.e. almost not slip on at all) fit. It has a Primary Arms Red Dot on it.

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g439/notahack/vz2008/DSC01623.jpg

here is my saiga 12 just for gun porn sakes

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g439/notahack/vz2008/DSC01628.jpg

Maverick223
April 9, 2011, 08:48 PM
Lookin' good rocinante. I have thought about adding an Trijicon RMR Dual Ill. Sight and probably a Magpul AFG to mine if and when I add a FAB poly forearm.

Speaking of which, these do install the same way as the original (with a captured pin & tabs in the front), correct?

:)

rocinante
April 9, 2011, 10:23 PM
The fab stuff installs just like stock. You will probably have to cut the metal tabs holding the top plastic piece in to replace it with the FAB piece. The top does have tabs that rest on the bottom piece to aid in stability.

I thought about AFG but one review is it is kind of narrow and didn't feel comfortable to the hand. With the vertical grip I have room to hold the hand guard naturally if I want to. I have thought about experimenting with the stock lower guard I have and building a palm swell like some AK stocks have.

Maverick223
April 9, 2011, 11:24 PM
That is what I thought, thanks for the confirmation. What i'd really like to find is a Al. upper handguard like the Troy (without having to buy the lower as well; I actually like the stock impregnated wood ones and could do without the additional cost), but they are unavailable as best as I can tell.

As far as the AFG I believe it is an outstanding solution to the problems inherent with a traditional style forward grip. I love mine.

:)

rocinante
April 10, 2011, 12:09 AM
maverick here is a thread where AFG was attached to your hand guard.
http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=39349.0

Maverick223
April 10, 2011, 11:22 AM
Thanks for the link. That doesn't look too bad...in fact I like it alot. The only problem is the lack of solid rail for optics on the upper handguard (and the standard one isn't stable enough to attach one).

:)

rocinante
April 10, 2011, 12:00 PM
The only problem is the lack of solid rail for optics on the upper handguard (and the standard one isn't stable enough to attach one).


I will contest that statement. My DIY top rail is just as stable and non moving as the FAB replacement. Squeeze the ends of the top cover enough and it is solid.

Maverick223
April 10, 2011, 04:34 PM
I don't know about your's (perhaps the polymer is a bit tighter fitting) but my wood impregnated one is mighty wobbly. I might play with it and see if I can tighten it up a bit, but I doubt that I can get it as solid as i'd like.

:)

rocinante
April 10, 2011, 05:05 PM
Maverick the metal ends, the polymer, and the rail are all connected on my set up. Yeah just the insert itself has play but not the way I did it. If you didn't like it that way you could drill holes through the insert and metal and find it with screws but I didn't find it necessary and I was afraid there wouldn't be enough clearance under the cover.

Maverick223
April 10, 2011, 05:15 PM
I might give it a shot...would save me quite a bit and allow me to retain the lightweight furniture that I prefer. Chicago screws might work and should be more than strong enough for a massive, hefty Trijicon RMR (I think they're sub-2oz. w/ mount). I'll keep everyone posted as to how well it works out after I purchase an optic to go atop it.

:)

rocinante
April 10, 2011, 06:09 PM
I think I spent 7 for the top and 12 for the bottom from czechpoint.

ifit
April 19, 2011, 07:06 AM
had some time to modify a yugo m70 grip to my vz, and my first attempt at stippling, what a difference the stippling makes.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/005.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/032-2.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/030-1.jpg

Maverick223
April 19, 2011, 11:53 AM
Looks like you did a very good job on the stippling...it almost looks as if it were performed at the factory. Should give a great deal more purchase on that grip too.

:)

Bennybone
April 19, 2011, 08:28 PM
Update:

Alot has been going through my head lately on fashioning a night hunting hog gun out of the VZ58 platform. I ended up selling my D-Technik tactical sporter (10 round single stack) and switching over to the Century VZ2008. My application in the field requires using a flash hider to save the night vision monocular from damage. The reason I switched over was to save shipping fees and cost to have the muzzle cap cutoff and barrel treated to accomodate the flash hider. In a perfect world I would have kept the D-Technik but I don't have the funds to do that, not with gas prices and corn prices and lease fees and......

So first and foremost here is a photo of my hunt from Sunday night into Monday morning. I shot this hog with a .270 rifle at about 200 yards, it was a spine shot so the VZ2008 was pressed into service to dispatch the animal. Boar weighed 170 lbs.

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/hunting/hogvz2000.jpg

The Aimpoint Pro will get sighted in at the range tomorrow and after that I will have a gunsmith locally tap and drill the receiver so that I can fit the gun with the rear optic mount. I plan to place the night vision monocular on the back optic rail and have the Aimpoint on the front handguard about 17 inches ahead. I did some rude and crude testing in the field last night and it appears that the Aimpoint Pro is going to deliver as promised...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrhl15AhSfw

So the next hunt should be a stalk and hunt with the VZ2008 and I hope to take out multiple hogs on that hunt. At the time I shot the above hog he was 1 of 20 in the field eating that are planted to support the cattle on the land.

BB

Maverick223
April 19, 2011, 08:40 PM
BB, that's a big ole hog!

Make sure and give us an update with regards to that optics mount...is it a side rail system?

:)

Bennybone
April 19, 2011, 08:54 PM
It is the Czech Small Arms mount that Czechpoint-USA recently got in stock. Same style as the, now classic, video at the tactical rifle range on youtube.

Look for the next update next month, I wish I could stalk/shoot/and film all at once but unfortunately I would need three extra arms to manage that and from a safety standpoint it doesn't work. If I get ahold of a spare night vision mono and a camera man they could film it from behind my shooting position - any takers !?!?!? ;)

Maverick223
April 19, 2011, 09:23 PM
That's what I figured (seeing as how you had to D&T for it).

On a different but related note, anyone interested in purchasing the railed upper handguard only can now do so at Neit Arms for the cost of about $95.00USD. I think this is the route I will end up taking for an optics mount (and it lets me keep most of the sawdust furniture that, for some crazy reason, I happen to be fond of).

:)

ifit
April 21, 2011, 04:22 AM
thanks mav, bb that is a big hog... nice

Bohemus
June 3, 2011, 08:38 AM
vz.58 and its namesake:
link (http://admin.battlegroup.eu/kosa1%20kopie.jpg)
photo by Reyes

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 11:34 AM
^ The VZ.58 has a "nickname"? The scythe? :confused:

Bohemus
June 3, 2011, 01:55 PM
Actualy it got two nicknames - scythe and paddle (Sa vz.58V and vz.58P)- depending on the stock used.
And the soldiers using them were divided between "harvestmen" and "canoeists" depending on what vz. were they issued :).

Maverick223
June 3, 2011, 02:05 PM
Hehehe...I guess that makes my folder (V-type stock) a scythe? From now on I'm going to laugh and point at the folks with a paddle. :D

Bennybone
June 6, 2011, 07:23 PM
I got the idea, or should I say the motivation to paint a couple of my magazines.

These are your standard mil surplus magazines in good functioning condition.

Hand sanded with 320 grit, then 220 grit and finished with 2000 grit.

Taped up mag lips, hung them with wire hangers.

2 - 3 coats of the BBQ black paint, let dry 12 - 15 hours (it is 100 degrees in TX right now and I have a fan on them non-stop).

2 - 3 coats of the glossy clear enamel, let dry for 6 - 8 hours.

Viola!

Now I have 8 more to do.... I think I will put these two through the paces over the summer to determine durability.

BB

BEFORE:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04804Medium.jpg

Mag on right sanded with 220, mag on left sanded with 320:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04807Medium.jpg

Prepped and hung:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04808Medium.jpg

AFTER:

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04810Medium.jpg

Bonus photo - I got my siderail fixed (long story) so here it is outside and ready for the next hunting trip!

http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/Guns/DSC04813Medium.jpg

Maverick223
June 6, 2011, 08:13 PM
It's a little late now, but the best paint that I have used (on most any metal surface) has been ceramic low gloss black engine paint from NAPA (their gloss may be just as good, as may other retailer's similar products, but I haven't tried either).

Thinking about magazines, I am probably going to order a few parts here in the near future in order to modify them for 20rnd capacity. If anyone is interested I may be willing to make a few extra (depending upon difficulty and how they work out)...either way I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

:)

rocinante
June 6, 2011, 09:49 PM
maverick i would be interested in a couple 20rd mags.

Maverick223
June 6, 2011, 10:01 PM
I'll see what I can do if all goes well. Additionally, i'll post a tutorial on how to do it once I get it down...that way others can follow my lead and perform the work themselves
(or more likely learn from my mistakes :o).

:)

Bennybone
June 8, 2011, 11:55 PM
Guys-

I am seriously contemplating having my VZ2008 hydro dipped, what patterns do you think would look best?

To save on cost I believe I am going to leave the polymer parts black (as-is) as well as the scope and pistol grip.

So I am thinking about having all the metals done, including the optic mount.

If anyone is gifted with photoshop I would be most appreciative of see what some of these patterns would look like....

http://www.filmpatterns.com/

http://texascamo.tk/pattern.html

No I am not affiliated with any of the above sites, this is the websites the guy told me to look through for selecting a pattern.

Thanks lets hear it, good and bad - I can take it all in :neener:

BB

Maverick223
June 9, 2011, 12:11 AM
Take this with a cup of salt, because I'm not too fond of camo patterns and the like, but if I were to do any tactical style rifle it would, without question, be a arctic camo pattern (which isn't shown in the above links and I'm no help with Photoshop). IMO it just looks right, particularly on rifles from the Eastern Bloc.

:)

Bennybone
June 9, 2011, 04:44 PM
http://i628.photobucket.com/albums/uu1/bennybone/SKO-77.jpg

He offered to do this pattern, man I wish I knew a photoshop expert.... ;)

Maverick223
June 9, 2011, 07:34 PM
I think that would look pretty good. I can't make any promises, and haven't the skill necessary to do it myself, but I will talk to a friend of mine and see if he can apply that pattern (and perhaps a couple others if you let me know which ones) for you.

:)

Bennybone
June 12, 2011, 03:05 AM
A little background on my experience in shooting the VZ platform.

I bought a D-technik 10 round tactical sporter back in Dec 2010 and promptly moved into a FAB Defense kit to suit my personal desire. I am a civilian, never enlisted in the military and have no formal shooting training. I am an avid hunter and as such I predominately shot bolt action rifles up until 2010.

Since December I have tried 4 different optics, ALL mounted on the FAB Defense upper. Accuracy was respectable but not anything worth getting really excited about. For me the most difficult task is getting a good clear sight picture at 100 yards and beyond. So I have decided to use this in hunting at a range of 125 yards or less and sticking with my bolt action rifles for longer distance shooting.

So the most recent upgrade to my new Century VZ2008 rifle, which by the way I sold the D-technik due to a lack of funds to modify the muzzle brake, was the Czechpoint side rail and CSA optic mount.

Here are a couple of videos from the weekend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsmRa5mC64U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zTOn_gwYRs

I can tell you without any doubt whatsoever that my accuracy has greatly improved moving over to a non-polymer rail. I couldn't be happier with how the rifle shot this weekend.

NOW I AM EXCITED ! ;)

BB

Apocalypse-Now
June 12, 2011, 04:13 AM
i like these rifles, but since they're no longer imported, where are you going to get spare parts? :confused:

Bohemus
June 12, 2011, 08:37 AM
i like these rifles, but since they're no longer imported, where are you going to get spare parts? :confused:
Who told you so?

Bennybone
June 12, 2011, 11:28 AM
i like these rifles, but since they're no longer imported, where are you going to get spare parts? :confused:
The Century version of the gun (VZ2008) is all US Part with the exception of some internals (springs,mags). So that solves any importation challenges.

With the World Wide Web being what it is I am sure that it would be a problem getting replacement parts (internals, handguards, etc) from that point on.

So thats worse case scenario.

I take it you read they are no longer imported from CZ-USA? I.e. they are discontinued or no longer the "importer" for the weapon...

The reality is that this gun is just getting started here in the USA and we "The Club" are the people who compromise "The Movement", so join us ;)

BB

Maverick223
June 12, 2011, 01:17 PM
i like these rifles, but since they're no longer imported, where are you going to get spare parts?Czechpoint (http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/) definitely sells parts, and I am pretty sure that they are still importing the CZ/D-Technik version. As others have mentioned CAI still imports their variant, the VZ-2008, which is very similar.

The reality is that this gun is just getting started here in the USA and we "The Club" are the people who compromise "The Movement", so join usYep, the carbine is just starting to take hold, but I have no doubt that it is going to be around for a long time, and as folks start to become more familiar with it become increasingly more popular. With that comes greater availability of parts and more aftermarket parts & accessories.

:)

Apocalypse-Now
June 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
I take it you read they are no longer imported from CZ-USA? I.e. they are discontinued or no longer the "importer" for the weapon...


i thought i read somewhere that CZ was no longer selling them . i had wanted to get one until i read that. if spare parts won't be an issue, i'll still consider getting one. i do like the design. :)

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