For you 223 bolt guys.......


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viking499
July 13, 2010, 07:40 AM
Looking at picking up a 223 bolt gun. Already have an AR, just looking for something a little lighter, easier to handle in and out of the truck, on and off the tractor etc. Used for varmit, paper and overall cheap shooting.

Wood or synthetic. Probably a detachable mag, maybe not. Don't want junk, but not looking for a safe queen. Not real picky, just want a good gun for the money

What do you recommend?


I know that the 223 is not the best in the ballistic dept, but I already reload for the AR. Any good, accurate bolt action loads out there? Something that makes the 223 shine over standard factory ammo?

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DIM
July 13, 2010, 08:24 AM
Check Tikka T3 either lite or varmint model, great guns detachable mags, 1:8 twist barrel guarantee to shoot MOA or better... Then TC either ICON or Venture, both use mags, both guarantee to shoot SUB MOA .

Geno
July 13, 2010, 08:26 AM
I would suggest an M700 SPS Tactical if you want a 1-9 twist. It has a heavy, free-floated 20" barrel. If you want a 1-12 twist, you could opt for a Weatherby Vanguard Varmint Special. It has a heavy 22" barrel.

Geno

fireside44
July 13, 2010, 08:28 AM
Savage.

Heck
July 13, 2010, 09:52 AM
I'd look at the tikka or one of the CZ's.

alsaqr
July 13, 2010, 10:05 AM
I have several Remington rifles in .223. A few years ago I bought a CZ 527 American: That CZ shoots just as well as my Remington 700 heavy barrel varmint gun. The CZ is much lighter and smaller than my Remington guns and it comes with a set trigger.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-american/

PT1911
July 13, 2010, 10:15 AM
cz 527 varmint....

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=110623&d=1260316861

GET ONE!!!

all joking aside... a hell of a rifle..

Grey Morel
July 13, 2010, 10:23 AM
There a TON of good bolt guns out there in .223.

For the same price range as many AR-15's (1,000 - 1,100) you have a TON of high end options:

CZ 527 Lux, Remington Tactical, TC Icon, Kimber M84, Vanguard SUB-MOA, A-bolt Medallion, and others. The Kimber is easily the lightest in the group.

DIM
July 13, 2010, 10:26 AM
and don't forget Tikka T3 Tactical ;-) $1K+

http://www.ozarkguns.com/rifles/tikka/tactical.gif

Legionnaire
July 13, 2010, 10:33 AM
.223 bolt actions I have shot and liked: CZ 527 American, Tikka T3, Remington 700 BDL. Lots of good ones out there, most of which can be very accurate with good ammo.

Art Eatman
July 13, 2010, 10:42 AM
My ruger 77 Mk II light sporter is a half-MOA critter. Great prairie dog gun. I did put a Timney trigger in it, but that merely made the groupings easier, not tighter. :)

Abel
July 13, 2010, 11:04 AM
I like the new Ruger Hawkeye M77 for what you're doing. With wood, not plastic.

TOU
July 13, 2010, 11:21 AM
Another vote for a CZ 527...I am so enamored with these that I have them in 8 variations of the 527 in 7 calibers and have sold all other small caliber brands. (I'm just about to have two more built in wildcat cartridges.) My CZ 527 Carbine in .223 actually out shot my CZ 527 Kevlar Varmint regularly...by a hair. It is an amazing rifle. I recently sold the Kevlar & kept the Carbine. My kids love it to & I love having iron sights as a a back up. I think if I didn't have it, I would go for the classicness of the Full stock. And I LOVE the single set triggers as well as the removable magazines. Their have been some other great suggestions but I think you will be hard pressed to find a better more featured rifle for the money. JMHO.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-carbine/


The 527 Carbine is a compact rifle with iron sights available in .223 and 7.62x39.

http://cz-usa.com/assets/product-images/334/main334_png_637x200_q85.png

CZ 527 features:
True micro length action
Controlled round feed
Hammer forged barrel
Single set trigger

.223 Rem., 5-round detachable magazine 7.62x39., 5-round detachable magazine
Ammunition .223 Rem
Magazine Capacity 5
Magazine Type Detachable
Rate of Twist 1:12 in
Dimensions
Weight 5.9 lbs
Overall Length 37.4 in
Barrel Length 18.5 in
Length of Pull 13.5 in
Features
Barrel hammer forged, blued
Stock Walnut
Trigger SS
Sights fixed

ocharry
July 13, 2010, 12:29 PM
i use a TC contender in rifle configuration for my truck and tractor gun,,not a bolt i know but it is short and easy to handle,, and it is a sub moa gun

if you are shooting at yotes or foxes you are only gona get one shot anyway,,lol,, well most of the time,,,and you should only need one shot ,,,LOL

my .02

ocharry

ECVMatt
July 13, 2010, 12:47 PM
I have a couple of Ruger M-77's and they both shoot great. I also have a Remington Model Seven and a 700 LTR. The M7 was a youth model that I put an adult stock on. It shoot great and has a 1/9 twist for the heavier bullets. I would recommend all of the above.

dagger dog
July 13, 2010, 12:53 PM
viking,

The Howa line from Legacy Sports has the rifle you describe, they come with 20" tube it is their Ranchland model and they come with Houge stocks, detachable mags, check 'em out!

The Weatherby Vanguard series are Howa actions

Stenner302
July 13, 2010, 02:00 PM
Based on your specs, I'll enter another vote for Tikka T3 lite -- Has a factory guarantee of 1MOA, about the lightest thing out there, detachable mag, and I've seen it for sale below $400. Just be careful to put a similarly lightweight scope on it or it gets top heavy.

rcmodel
July 13, 2010, 03:18 PM
I don't think the CZ-527 American has a 1 MOA accuracy guarantee.

But between my hunting pard and myself, we have 3 of them in .223 & .204.

None of them have ever shot 1 MOA.
All of ours shoot closer to 1/2-3/4 MOA with handloads off a bench.

rc

EAJ
July 13, 2010, 03:25 PM
CZ 527 Varmint or Tikka T3.

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/cz527_02.jpg

james_bond
July 13, 2010, 05:06 PM
I have savage 12 in .223, I love it (plastic stock, internal mag)
Mine has a 24" bull barrel, and you can find them for under $400

benzy2
July 13, 2010, 05:25 PM
There are a lot of decent shooting rifles in .223 today. If you want a light weight option, especially with iron sights, I would go CZ carbine. If you are looking to scope it I would go with either the CZ 527 American or a Tikka T3 lite. The Ruger 77 Mk II could also work as well as a Remington SPS or a Savage 11 FCNS. Most all should shoot well. I am a fan of the CZ myself, but I really like their trigger, both in the set mode and not. It is the best trigger of that price range from my perspective. Others are good, but that one is great.

armoredman
July 13, 2010, 05:30 PM
CZ 527 carbine for light, handy and accurate.

Grey Morel
July 13, 2010, 05:56 PM
I like the new Ruger Hawkeye M77 for what you're doing. With wood, not plastic.

I would build on that to recommend the Hawkeye Ultra Light, topped with a Leupold Ultra Light; a drop in trigger is gravy.

Even with the fancy scope and aftermarket trigger, you would still come in with a lower bill than some of the other options, and you would have built a rifle lighter and more handy than nearly anything else.

Water-Man
July 13, 2010, 06:10 PM
Tikka T3 Lite.

Ratshooter
July 13, 2010, 06:28 PM
Its not a bolt gun like you asked for but I have an H&R Handi that stays in the 1" area and cost $250 OTD. No open sights on it so I put a Leupold 3x9 VX1 on it. Its a $450 rig you don't mind banging around. Plus its only about 37" long.

husker
July 13, 2010, 06:50 PM
Rem Mohawk 600

viking499
July 13, 2010, 11:05 PM
Looked today, but didn't find anything that jumped out at me. Looked at CZ, Tikka, Howa and a Stevens.

Still Looking...........

thegeneric
July 13, 2010, 11:09 PM
Cheap? Savage Edge is $250 at Budsgunshop.com

viking499
July 13, 2010, 11:48 PM
Held one of those too. Just didn't fit right. Liked the Stevens better than the Edge.

dougw47
July 14, 2010, 12:12 AM
Someone mentioned the H&R single shot...my Wallyworld has them with a cheap scope all day for $297, but that is not a bolt like you asked for...but cheap.

I picked up a Winchester Ranger (Mod. 70) .223 for $299, used. Whattadeal!

Saw a Savage FP10 short-action .223 with accutrigger and scope for $359, won't be there long. CZ's are nice. $550.

Saw a Howa Ranch for $450...how much do you want to spend?

Tikka is nice, if you got the loot...Rem's are cheaper, thy Di*ks, or Academy.

ECVMatt
July 14, 2010, 01:47 AM
Savage has some nice .223 in standard configurations. They would make a great truck gun/pesting rifle. They are very reasonable for what you get. I believe they are the 11 series rifles.

viking499
July 14, 2010, 07:50 AM
Tikka is nice, if you got the loot

The tikka price is cheaper than the CZ and about the same as the Savage(depending on model).

DIM
July 14, 2010, 10:08 AM
What do you think about Thompson Center ICON
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/images/silosDetail/5518.jpg

or Venture

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/images/silo-detail-745-venture-predator.jpg

viking499
July 14, 2010, 10:24 AM
Like the feel of the TC's. From what I have read, they say they shoot pretty good too.

DIM
July 14, 2010, 10:40 AM
Yes they are, I have TC ICON PH its consistent SUB 1/2 MOA more like 0.35 MOA, but I shoot 308 out of it, my .223 is REM 700 Varmint with 26" barrel and B&C Medalist Tactical stock it shoots same bug-holes with reloads I make for it

Dentite
July 14, 2010, 12:36 PM
I have a Savage Classic 14 in .223 that I really like. Not exactly a truck and tractor gun though with walnut/polished bluing. Of course Savage has syn/stainless options that might be better for what you had planned.

Gryffydd
July 14, 2010, 12:45 PM
For what you describe as your intended use I'd recommend the CZ 527 carbine. Short, light, handy. Half of these suggestions would be heavier and bulkier than your AR. (Unless it's one of those huge target units of course.)

viking499
July 15, 2010, 01:30 AM
New kink to the 223 idea.......Of the rifles I am looking at, I may also want to thread it in the near future(1-2 years). All other options still the same.......

MAC USMC
July 15, 2010, 10:47 PM
JUST A SAFETY REMINDER

It IS SAFE to shoot .223 in your AR chambered for 5.56, but DO NOT SHOOT 5.56 in a .223 caliber weapon. Do not ruin your weapon by using the wrong caliber. On the shooting bench it is very easy to make this mistake. The two rounds are very similiar in appearance so keep the calibers separate at all times.

MAC USMC
July 15, 2010, 10:49 PM
I vote for the CZ 527 as an inexpensive, accurate and fun .22 to shoot. Their other rifles are an excellent buy also in all calibers.

tc54
July 16, 2010, 01:24 PM
stevens model 200 - inexpensive, very accurate, won't mind banging it around, blind mag, 22" barrel, very dependable. of course, there are other rifles that will get it done.

bodiebill
July 16, 2010, 06:15 PM
Savage--Buy American

jimmyraythomason
July 16, 2010, 06:31 PM
My .223 bolt gun is the Stevens Model 200.

NCsmitty
July 16, 2010, 06:40 PM
The Euro rifles are fine firearms, but you can't go wrong buying an American made rifle.
You have a great selection to choose from, and if I was looking to buy, it would probably be the TC Venture in the Predator model but any Venture would do with it's 5R rifling. Their price is hard to beat for the features offered.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/venture_predator.php



NCsmitty

MistWolf
July 16, 2010, 06:42 PM
I know you said you wanted a bolt action, but what's wrong with a lightweight AR? Sure, it's the same which means you have magazine commonality.

A lightweight AR 20" with a scope would make a good truck/walkabout rifle.

There's nothing wrong with wanting something different, however. I'd go with one of the Ruger Hawkeye rifles with a 22" or 20" sporter weight barrel. Easy to carry and looks right with it's classic styling

Dimis
July 17, 2010, 04:26 PM
I have a stevens that i won in a raffle it shoots pretty good and for the most part is a savage without an accutrigger

if it were me buying a .223 rifle id get the savage but the stevens is pretty good too

greyling22
July 17, 2010, 05:45 PM
detachable mag limits you to basicall the CZ and the tikka. my beef with the tikka is it's built on a long action.

I've got the charles daly mini mauser I bedded. it's a 1 hole gun. nice light 20" barrel. you can get them for under 400 from cdnn as the remington 799. add the bell and carlson carblite stock http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=368706 and you have a very nice little lightweight gun.

savage makes a good gun too, but their wood was too plain for me. and I"ve always liked the a-bolts.

my boss has the ruger m77 compact all weather. stainless 16" barrel, laminate stock, built like a tank, used and abused and still killing deer and hogs left and right.

husker
July 17, 2010, 09:25 PM
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=402898#post3973354 Try holding 1 of these Mohawk 600 & see how it feels to you. This is the best i could do as far as getting a pic up. It is a 222 that can be mod to fire 223 or 5.56. i have the same rifle & my father did the mod job on it.
Out of 30+ rifles, its the 1 i would never let go of. Great lil rifles. They are not cheap. you will pay a few dollars for it & have to do some look-en around as well to find 1 you like. But its WORTH IT!!!!!

joel.favre
July 17, 2010, 09:36 PM
I can't believe no one has recommended the Savage Precision Carbine yet! Awesome trigger, you get the Accustock, 20" tube, 1 in 9 twist and only 7 lbs. seems to meet your requirements, plus its a Savage....no qualms here.

BillyDa59
July 18, 2010, 02:36 AM
I would pick a CZ 527. It has a set trigger. I had been considering getting one, for awhile, in 7.62x39.

There's one like what I had been looking for (not in .223, sorry) in the classifieds of this board, but I don't got the $$$ right now. Really wish I did.

45crittergitter
July 25, 2010, 06:23 PM
+1 for Tikka.

308 sharpshooter
August 4, 2010, 10:03 PM
Check out the FN TSR USA we t&e'd one a couple weeks ago take driver w winchester 55 grain sp's hopefully mine will be here soon

ThePunisher'sArmory
August 4, 2010, 10:09 PM
Savage bolt action. But why not just use a standard AR carbine? They are not that heavy and could easily be taken out of a car or tractor (combine).

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