Don't buy K31's...


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Hatterasguy
July 15, 2010, 10:22 PM
They suck, worst rifles ever, do yourself a favor and don't buy one!:what:


Seriously <...> I have been thinking it would be nice to add another to my collection. Maybe something nice and original and pretty to keep that way, and since my current one has a refinished stock on it, drill it for some competition sights. The last one I bought was 8 months ago, and since then they seem to have gotten kind of hot. I figured for around $300ish I could grab another nice one, maybe even in the $200 range since the gun dealers are sucking wind now; nope, not happening unless I get luckly. I can get a beater for that price, nice ones are on their way to $500.


So I'm going to start talking about what <junk> they are. Seriously stop buying them.:scrutiny:


I wish the market for FN49's was this hot.:rolleyes:

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PT1911
July 15, 2010, 10:23 PM
LMAO... too damn funny... lets bring the price down on em...I hate mine too!

jpwilly
July 15, 2010, 10:25 PM
Wait, I'll sell you a really nice walnut stocked one only $500 :)

Hatterasguy
July 15, 2010, 10:32 PM
I'll trade you a good rifle, a Mosin 91/30 for that Swiss POS...I mean how good could it be? The Swiss have never faught a war, its totaly untested...now the Mosin thats quality they won a few wars.:D


Seriously stop buying K31's!:scrutiny::cuss:

CHEVELLE427
July 15, 2010, 10:33 PM
love mine for the $200 i paid and the $35 to have the stock restored and i also loved the sks i bought for $100 and sod for $400
3 years later.

u can still get k31 at j&g for $300+- some places less with a c&r
no matter how or who talks down a gun people will pay the price if they want one bad enough.

sks has come down to $300-350 here, don't see any $100 ones any longer

Canuck-IL
July 15, 2010, 11:10 PM
Aim got some about 10 days ago ... $250 and 270 for walnut ... a few pics on the site, they don't really show the butt adequately.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=109
/Bryan

lopezni
July 16, 2010, 12:06 AM
I paid $200 for mine, with 100 rds gp11. The bore is excellent, bluing about 85%. stock very good except for one spot where it got beat up by someone boot cleats. People have to just refuse to pay stupid prices for things. Avoid those ridiculous auction sites.

chicharrones
July 16, 2010, 03:27 PM
I have to agree with other K31 owners here. I have to work the bolt manually on my POS K31. I think I need a new recoil spring or something.

Kman
July 16, 2010, 06:13 PM
I've seen them all over price wise, birch stock for $200 couple weeks ago, at a diff. show there was another with a $700 price tag, I didn't even ask, must have been the presidents gun or something, but it seems $300 is average now. If I find a walnut stock for $250 or less I'll probably pick it up,,,what a trigger, great gun, just wish it was a little shorter.

grilledcheese
July 16, 2010, 11:20 PM
I have to agree with other K31 owners here. I have to work the bolt manually on my POS K31. I think I need a new recoil spring or something.

You need to use heavier loads. You are probably using that garbage GP11 stuff---it won't cycle the action on mine either.:rolleyes:




Jeffrey

earlthegoat2
July 16, 2010, 11:22 PM
In my experience, they have always been hot.

For, like the last 10 years.

They have always seemed to be the most desireable surplus regardless of ammo supply or what have you.

Hatterasguy
July 16, 2010, 11:52 PM
Yeah they have sucked for like 10 years now...don't buy them!:scrutiny:

madcratebuilder
July 17, 2010, 08:01 AM
I've seen some pretty crazy asking prices on K's, but I don't see them selling on Gunbroker at least. To me prices seem to be down, maybe not prices but the number of fire arms that are getting bids. Economy sucks in my AO.

ScratchnDent
July 17, 2010, 01:32 PM
I felt like I paid too much for mine at $225 a couple years ago.

Not so much anymore.

Nico Testosteros
July 17, 2010, 03:00 PM
As long as there is one left for me, I'll be happy.

nathan
July 17, 2010, 04:05 PM
I ve got one already with 200 rds of GP 11 as stockpile. I m waiting to use this for deer hunting when the opportune comes along, of course, with use of Hornady BTSP.

hangovur
July 17, 2010, 09:25 PM
Just picked up a Walnut K-31 in great shape this week for 275. Shot it today and I LOVE this rifle. It just balances so well and shoots like a dream. Now I just have to learn to shoot worth a damn w/ iron sights.

gunnutery
July 17, 2010, 09:50 PM
I wish the market for FN49's was this hot.

Are you trying to sell one?

crossrhodes
July 17, 2010, 10:57 PM
I don't feel bad now. I paid $165.00 each for my two about 4 years ago. excellent shape. I think I will hold on to them for awhile. Also bought 4 CZ 52's when they were going for $95.00 each.

rondog
July 18, 2010, 01:36 AM
Is the K31 a carbine? Or rifle length?

mordechaianiliewicz
July 18, 2010, 05:46 AM
K31 is carbine length for it's time. But it is a significantly large weapon.

Oh, and yeah. It's a terrible gun. In fact, I can take one right off anyone's hands. PM me for my address so I can recieve your "gift."

Afy
July 18, 2010, 08:42 AM
Forget the K-31 get its replacement the STGW 57
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/afy08/STG57.jpg
Its a lot more fun too...

GunsBeerFreedom
July 18, 2010, 12:24 PM
AFY, what do I have to do to get that eye sore out of your hands? I mean it's disgusting. No real man would want one. You should consider how good of a person I am for wanting to help you dispose of that atrocity ;)

Seriously though, where can I get one?

Hatterasguy
July 18, 2010, 02:26 PM
Are you trying to sell one?

Yeah, havn't even gotten any good offers. I figured someone would at least lowball me.

Hatterasguy
July 18, 2010, 02:28 PM
Afy I still hate you!:p:D

gunnutery
July 18, 2010, 04:32 PM
Are you trying to sell one?

Yeah, havn't even gotten any good offers. I figured someone would at least lowball me.

Not to rain on your parade but I'm not currently in the market, although I'd like one someday. Good luck.

Afy
July 19, 2010, 03:56 AM
GunsBeerFreedom: Come on over across the pond. The eyesores are plentyful.

Karl Hungus
July 19, 2010, 06:27 PM
K31's are horrible. The GP-11 round is even worse. I've been trying for months to work up a handload that matches the GP-11's terrible performance, but to no avail. Give a wide wide berth to both the rifle and the ammo.

hatchetbearer
July 22, 2010, 09:06 AM
I Just ordered my first K31 from Aim. Cant wait until i get to it in September. What Kind of groups at 100 yards can i expect with GP-11 given I do my part, at 300? Wikipedia says its effective to 800 yards, how valid is that claim?

GunsBeerFreedom
July 22, 2010, 09:26 AM
Come on over across the pond. The eyesores are plentyful.

I f only I could bring them back. :(

bmwguy
July 22, 2010, 10:29 AM
Ha!

got you guys beat. I picked up mine from Aimsurplus when they first came in, had 'em for 79.95!

Mikee Loxxer
July 22, 2010, 11:24 AM
I picked up my third K31 two weeks ago. I traded (2) Mosin Nagants (a 91/30 and a nice laminate stock M44) along with an Ishapore 2A1 enfield for a walnut stocked gun. The only thing that miffed me is that Cabelaís didnít provide the matching magazine. I was told that they had a large group of them at their headquarters in Sidney Nebraska and kept the magazines separate from the rifles. When they shipped them out to the other stores they didnít make sure that the magazines matched. :cuss:

Not sure what Iíll do with this one, either clamp on my second set of diopter sights or have rock solid scope mounts put on the receiver.

45bthompson
July 22, 2010, 11:52 AM
I bought one in birch a few years back. The stock is trashed but nice bluing still. Anybody know where I can get a walnut stock for cheap? Or maybe even a monte carlo style aftermarket one?

chicharrones
July 22, 2010, 10:00 PM
I Just ordered my first K31 from Aim. Cant wait until i get to it in September. What Kind of groups at 100 . . .

Well . . . in this thread, 8 inches. :D






In real life, 1 MOA or less. :cool:

rust collector
July 22, 2010, 11:35 PM
45bthompson, here are some aftermarket options for stocks. Plenty of extra wood in the original buttstocks to sand out the dings, but these are a bit easier on the eye and have a more familiar feel.

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/RIA-Replacement-Stocks-for-Military-Actions-s/119.htm?searching=Y&sort=9&cat=119&show=12&page=2

Careful, they grow on you. Always wear a cap, as the empty case goes straight up and can take a divot out of your noggin.

45bthompson
July 23, 2010, 01:03 AM
Thanks for the link rust collector.
And to the OP..... Have you noticed that all the Schmidt-Rubin rifles have that horrible smell? It's hard to notice at first but after handling one it ends up in your clothes. It’s kind of like a turpentine/fecal smell. Everybody should stay away from theses smelly overpriced rifles!

bearmgc
July 23, 2010, 01:22 AM
I still prefer Swede Mausers. sorry.

chicharrones
July 23, 2010, 08:11 AM
I still prefer Swede Mausers. sorry.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone should run out and buy one of those! ;)

sixgunner455
July 23, 2010, 11:55 AM
Yeah, mine's horrible, too. I didn't pay enough for it, so it cries every night and tells me I don't really love it enough. And I don't shoot it enough, or load enough softpoints, and I've never killed a deer with it, or anything.

Crybaby, says I. Can't stand a crybaby.

arkansashillbilly
July 23, 2010, 03:11 PM
I bought a couple of them years ago for under a $100 bucks a piece when they were new on the market. Then I heard that straight pull bolt actions are unsafe. Apparently the bolt can fly back out of the action and hit the shooter. Now more of the unsafe things are in the country. If anyone is interested, I'll reluctantly pay the same price I did back then for them and dispose of your safety hazard for you. Don't want anyone getting hurt out there.

45Badger
July 24, 2010, 07:56 PM
Saw one at the gun show today for $250. Metal was mint. Stock had been refinished and has a thick gloss finish to it. It looked nice, just not my preference. All numbers matched. Good deal?

Ignition Override
July 24, 2010, 08:00 PM
You guys will fool as many people as those naive gun owners (paranoid of the govt.), who claim that they lost all of their guns in a tragic boating accident....

Hatterasguy
July 24, 2010, 09:45 PM
Thats what were hoping for! I just bought a 1911, what a horrible POS, the Swiss should be ashamed of themselves for making such a POS.

I'll give everyone with a 1911 Swiss rifle or even a K11 $20 to take that POS out of their safe!:cool::D

regal
July 25, 2010, 12:56 AM
I had one but sold it, the steven .308 does everything better. Better scope mounting, cheaper ammo, more accurate, same price but new. Other than the historical collectability I don't see the appeal. What am I missing?

ScratchnDent
July 25, 2010, 01:06 AM
What am I missing?

That Stevens doesn't throw the empty brass 10 feet straight up to come crashing down on your head, as rust collector pointed out!
:D

Mikee Loxxer
July 25, 2010, 04:44 AM
All of my K31's were used in the field as evidenced by their stocks, they are well over 60. I Wonder what shape a Steven's would be in after that, as accurate as a K31 today?

Nothing wrong with a good accurate Stevens chambered in a common caliber. Just not as cool as the K31.

jd46561
July 25, 2010, 11:36 AM
And there so damn ugly....


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/jd46561/Swiss%20rifles/Riflepicts10-13-08020.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/jd46561/Swiss%20rifles/Riflepicts10-13-08015.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y206/jd46561/Swiss%20rifles/Riflepicts10-13-08016.jpg

david_the_greek
July 25, 2010, 11:46 AM
jd46561.... drool....... that thing is beautiful

jd46561
July 25, 2010, 09:17 PM
Thank you, I got real lucky.

Virg461
July 25, 2010, 09:23 PM
Not to brag....well, maybe a little. Just picked up my third and fourth for $145 and $155. Beech stocks, matching numbers, and one has the troop tag under the butt plate. Both were pretty grungy, but they're cleaning up nicely. I'm convinced, though, that the Swiss used the stocks for batting practice.

parker51
July 25, 2010, 10:14 PM
I bought one of the 5 gun "cracked stocks" packages that was offered several years ago. I believe I paid $60 per gun and ended up getting 3 complete guns out of that lot. Two of the barrels looked like they had been sitting in a barrel of water (there was still water pouring out when I opened the box). These 2 were so badly rusted that all I could do was use parts from them to restore the other 3. One had a cracked stock just in front of the band that hold the sling, so I cut the stock off and made one into a "sporter". I took this one over and had it Parkerized and cut the barrel back about 2 inches. It is now one of my favorite hunting rifles. The 4th one was missing a magazine so I used one from one of the 2 that had the barrels rusted beyond repair. The 5th one had a cracked stock, missing bolt and a cracked handguard. The barrel and magazine were in great shape so I took parts from the damaged ones to make a working gun. I just took this particular gun to the range last week and managed two 5" groups at 100yds without a scope (with my eyes I didn't think this would ever happen again). It's definitely not the prettiest of the bunch but it shoots as well as any of the modern rifles I own costing 10 times as much. What was really great about this old gun was it had one of the higher front sights on it that allowed it to be dead on at 100yds. Some day I'll thin out the herd but I know the Swiss will be the last to go.

45bthompson
July 28, 2010, 08:00 AM
That looks really nice parker!

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