night vision newbie looking for goggles...


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skipbo32
July 16, 2010, 11:22 PM
i am thinking of putting an aimpoint comp ml3 on my M1A rifle and was wondering what kind of gen 3 nightvision goggles to pair with it. does anyone have any experience with decent quality vs price nightvision? any help would be great.

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Owen
July 16, 2010, 11:40 PM
I'd go with a clip on NVD, rather than goggles

glock36
July 17, 2010, 02:01 AM
The aimpoint comp ml3 is not compatible with night vision the comp m3 is. Better double check so you don't endup wasting a bunch of money.
Good luck
Godmspeed

skipbo32
July 17, 2010, 03:02 AM
glock....yes yes. i meant the m3.

wideym
July 17, 2010, 06:40 AM
If you can afford it, then go with the PVS-14 nvgs.

I spent 10 years active duty in the Infantry/Army and used PVS-5 (not very good even when new) and PVS-7 B & Ds (much better than 5s). Mainly they were used for movement and security since PAQ-4s were in short supply. Depth perseption and degraded night vision after removing the nvgs (mark 1 eyeball) were the main problems since both eyes were used while wearing the goggles.

I later joined my local Army Nat.Guard when I learned they were going to Iraq and was pleaseantly suprised when we were issued the newest weapons and equipment before deploying. The PVS-14 was part of the issue and I fell in love with it. Light weight, single eyepiece, and mulitiple mounting options (headharness, helmet, and rifle). I liked them so much that after I came home, I bought one from a dealer at the Tulsa gunshow.

I actually got a great deal, the dealer was from California and a customer had sent a $500 deposit with the balance to be paid when he picked it up at the show. The customer tried to weasel a lower price from the dealer at the show and lost his deposit as a restocking fee. The dealer ended up selling me the compleate setup-headharness, helmet mount, soft carring case with small accescories, and the brand new ITT PVS-14 for $3000. Heck he even threw in a pair of AA batteries.

skipbo32
July 17, 2010, 11:55 AM
wideym, so is the pvs-14 nightvision or is it thermal vision? and how much is it worth?

wideym
July 18, 2010, 12:25 AM
It's night vision and they usually run about $3500. Thermals will cost you significantly more, about $5-6000 if not more

The pvs-14s also have a mount for picatinny flattop ARs, that you can utilize aimpoints or eotechs at the lowest power setting.

skipbo32
July 18, 2010, 12:48 AM
does the optic run infront or behind your primary optic? i currently have an aimpoint ml3 and have heard that you can use some nightvisions with it on the lowest setting.

Broken11b
July 18, 2010, 03:34 AM
If your dropping the money for gen-3 toys, why not just get an IR laser designator for the rifle, definitely better than trying to line up the goggles with the sight. And to look at things without having to point the weapon at it.

and unless your getting an uber expensive gen 3 parallax free night sight (if you can afford a UNS go for it) they usually go behind the optic. Some night vision will have an attachment allowing it to be mounted to a 1913 rail section.

skipbo32
July 18, 2010, 04:12 AM
i thought of the problem of lining up goggles with an aimpoint, but it would be possible to wear a monocular on my left eye and use my right eye to see the red dot, since you can use both eyes with a non magnified aimpoint. it is kinda like being able to use the aimpoint optic with the front lens cover closed.

aubie515
July 18, 2010, 09:45 AM
I would opt for a helmet config versus trying to mount it behind your Aimpoint.

1) On an M1A, you do not have enough rail space to do this with an M1A. M1A are tough to mount optics, you will not find a rail able to fit your Aimpoint along with NV.

2) You are very limited in what you can do if you have a dedicated NV on your weapon. You would have to hold up the rifle every time you wanted to look through the NV. Using it on a helmet will give you more options. As the other poster already stated, you will need an IR laser, which can be very difficult to purchase.

Thermal is a whole different animal and will cost you up to $25,000 depending on which unit you purchase.

skipbo32
July 18, 2010, 07:43 PM
aubie,

i have the ultimak rail on my m1a. i am able to mount optics all up and down my barrel.

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