Need help in new rifle choice


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jcollins1007
July 17, 2010, 08:43 AM
Guys, I am selling two mediocre rifles, a guitar, and am saving up a bunch of money so I can get one really good rifle. The problem with free markets, though, is that they provide too many choices (not really a problem, I know). So here is what I've whittled it down to:

1. Savage 116 - Stainless bolt action known for their accuracy

2. An AR of some sort - possibly a Sabre defence SPR, since they are built in my neck of the woods

3. A Springer or Fulton M14 - I've always wanted one.

Now, there are a plethora of reasons why I would want each one. Some things to consider:

1. I have a rifle capable of taking deer up to 300 yds, which is probably the longest shot I'll see in Middle Tennessee anyway

2. I have access to 22LRs for varmint work, so I don't NEED a varmint gun

3. I reload, so caliber and ammunition choices are not a limitation

4. I want this to be a versatile gun, but one that is fun to shoot, and can practice with a lot in the off season so I can get better at marksmanship

I know this is the best place for opinions on guns, so I let y'all have the floor!

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Abel
July 17, 2010, 09:13 AM
I'd get the Savage 16 in 223 or 22-250 instead of the long action 116......& a nice 300-500 dollar scope. Then you'd have a better varmint gun.

Taurus 617 CCW
July 17, 2010, 09:28 AM
What are you going to be using your long gun for? I assume it will be for bench rest or target shooting. Savage is a good choice of gun. Make sure you get the accutrigger model. Don't overlook the Tikka rifles either though if you want a quality bolt action.

jcollins1007
July 17, 2010, 10:01 AM
It won't be just for varmints or targets. It's going to be a do-all. I will probably hunt deer with it, but if I get a 223 AR I can use my 30-30 for deer. Again, I'm ready to spend some money, as I will have saved up around $2000, so price isn't really an issue. Weight isn't either, as I'm still a sturdy young man. I carried a full-sized Mosin Nagant through a mile of thickets, so I'm not concerned about weight.

Some things I'm concerned about:

1. Accuracy. I know the Savage wins big here, but the AR and M1A are close seconds.
2. Dependability. A bolt won't break, and the M1A is a piston. Plus, I was issued an M4 in the Air Force so I know how to take care of one of those.
3. Ability to mount optics. All three are good.
4. Iron sights. Savage loses here, because they do not offer an accustock model with irons, and I prefer aperture sights anyways. Unless someone knows how to mount adjustable peeps on a Savage.
5. Caliber options. I want something that's available, procurable, and prolific, and prefer that it's cheap to reload, as I plan on target practice alot with these.

Abel
July 17, 2010, 10:12 AM
It's going to be a do-all. I will probably hunt deer with it

Choose a 243 or 7mm-08 then, same rifle, the Savage 16.

Iron sights. Savage loses here, because they do not offer an accustock model with irons

This is a very easy fix & its often a deal-breaker when it really shouldn't be. A Williams rear peep and a front sight installation is all it takes.

dakotasin
July 17, 2010, 10:21 AM
remington r-25 (ar-10) in 7-08 seems to be a great fit, here.

7-08 is a versatile chambering, the r-25 is varminter-accurate, and the 7-08 is big game capable.

jcollins1007
July 17, 2010, 11:19 AM
I took a look at the R-25. One question: how is the barrel free floated? It has a gas block on it!

dakotasin
July 17, 2010, 03:08 PM
not sure how you can have a functional ar-platform without a gas block?

at any rate, gas block or not, i still think the r-25 in 7-08 should get a close look by you. they are a good rifle, and mine came w/ a fair 2-stage trigger on it.

good luck!

Dookie
July 17, 2010, 03:27 PM
If you want irons but don't like the fact the Savages don't have them you might consider a red dot. They have faster acquisition (proven, but by a small margin) and can bolt right to your scope mounts. You can get them in 0, 1 and 2X for a good price.

I would also second an AR10. But I am wary of the Remingtons as I heard the last couple of years they have started making their own receivers instead of having Stag (I think that was the company) make them and don't have as good a reputation any more. But that was coming from my local gun store, going by returns.

Maverick223
July 17, 2010, 07:21 PM
Sounds like a AR chambered for 6.5Grendel or 6.8SPC might be what you are looking for. A long range, lightweight, deer capable, carbine with a multitude of parts and accessories available for it. Alternatively you could choose an AR-10 (like the R-25) in a chambering like .260Rem. or 7mm-08Rem., but it is significantly heavier, more costly, and offers less parts/accessories which are mostly manufacturer specific.

:)

jcollins1007
July 18, 2010, 04:52 PM
Maverick, I have looked at the Stag Arms Model 7 Hunter in 6.8 SPC. Some questions for you all:

1. How accurate is it?
2. Is it a Heavy Barrel model?
3. What is the reputation of Stag?
4. How do traditional match-grade carry handle type irons work on them?

Thanks guys, this is a lot of help, and a lot of fun.

Maverick223
July 18, 2010, 05:01 PM
ARs are not my specialty, so I will let others answer your questions, the only thing that I have to add is not to limit yourself to one brand of AR.

:)

jcollins1007
July 18, 2010, 06:23 PM
For those questions on my last post, I have the same questions about the R-25. Thanks.

Maverick223
July 18, 2010, 06:34 PM
All I know about the Rem. R-25 is it is basically a rebadged, cammo'd DPMS. They tend to exhibit good accuracy from all accounts.

:)

FMJMIKE
July 18, 2010, 08:03 PM
Get the AR-15 in 5.56 X 45 caliber for fun shooting. Then buy an upper in a hunting caliber later............:D

gondorian
July 18, 2010, 08:38 PM
^Here here^ This is good advice.

Maverick223
July 18, 2010, 09:15 PM
^ LOL, not tryin' to pick on you but the correct phrase is "hear, hear"...hear as in to listen. ;)

Al LaVodka
July 18, 2010, 09:31 PM
I'd say a good AR. Try multi-position shooting vs. just bench. You'll have a great, relatively inexpensive, time with the AR.
Al

rozziboy18
July 18, 2010, 09:45 PM
ill put my vote on either the stag 7 or the r25, i have had both, both are very accurate and capable of sub moa with good ammo. i sold my stag 7 due to lack of ammo in my area, and hug on to my r25 (308) for almost a year before i traded for a dpms 308lr. i would recomend any of the above to anyone with a big +1 for the r25 in 308

jcollins1007
July 18, 2010, 11:18 PM
rozzi, how's the trigger on the r-25?

BusMaster007
July 18, 2010, 11:19 PM
Rock River Arms is having a great AR sale right now.
Check 'em out.

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=453

Afy
July 19, 2010, 04:58 AM
Get a Savage and a bunch of barrels in all the calibers you want. Barrel swap's are literally a 15 minute task.

BRad704
July 19, 2010, 10:32 AM
Load up all $2000 and go get a P90... :) Might not give you the 300 yard range, but you've got the 30-30 for that, right?

jcollins1007
July 19, 2010, 01:52 PM
Does anybody know if 6.8 SPC rifles (like the Stag M7) use standard Ar-15 lowers? I know that Ar-10s use different receivers completely.

jcollins1007
July 19, 2010, 02:03 PM
Also, does anybody have any info on either the DPMS Panther 6.8 SPC 20" or the 260 Remmy AR-10 type?

Fremmer
July 19, 2010, 02:21 PM
Buy a Blaser bolt action rifle. You can swap barrels and have many different caliber choices. And accurate as heck!

dakotasin
July 19, 2010, 02:28 PM
the remington r-25 (ar-10) comes w/ a 2-stage trigger, and a medium weight barrel. it is a fairly heavy rifle once you get optics on it. very accurate, and p-mags available. the mag that comes w/ the rifle is a 10-round mag. mine came w/ blocks so i could block it to 3+1 to make it legal for big game hunting. since 5+1 is legal in my state i trimmed the blocks to accept 5, and then ordered p-mag 20-rounders. so i have one legal-to-hunt magazine, and the rest are for whatever.

the trigger is decent - not as good as expensive triggers, has a little bit of drag, but good enough that replacing it isn't worth the expense to me. i haven't weighed it, but i would guess the second stage breaks at 3.5-4.0 pounds. it is predictable and consistent.

traditional detacheable carry handle mounts would work fine on the r-25. you'd have to come up w/ a solution for the front sight, but a carry handle would work fine for the rear.

as far as stag... my ar's are built from stag lowers. they have been very good, but i do not have experience w/ stag uppers. given my experience w/ stag lowers i wouldn't be opposed to using a stag upper, but currently have no need.

jcollins1007
July 20, 2010, 02:32 PM
I read an article that the Stag 7 can routinely get sub-MOA with good ammo. Anybody tried this?

jcollins1007
July 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
Well guys, after much consideration, it looks like I'm gonna get a boltie for now, and maybe someday down the road I'll get a battle rifle. Now I have to re-sift through the bolt gun selections, since Thompson Center now have the 5R rifling on their guns, plus a smoother bolt throw than the Savage.

MistWolf
July 23, 2010, 03:32 PM
Remington & DPMS do not make AR10s

BusMaster007
July 23, 2010, 04:13 PM
ArmaLite makes the AR10.
It is the predecessor to the AR15, BTW. :D

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCN0540.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCN0541.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCN0549.JPG

Ignition Override
July 23, 2010, 06:40 PM
If you already reload ammo, then how about an M-1 Garand from the CMP? You can buy a really good one for about $550-600, and each rifle is evaluated by CMP staff. You need papers from a club if you buy directly from them.
They sell the correct pressure ammo (Boxer-primed) at .50/rds, and if it is Not AP, the Greek 30-06 is Non-corrosive.

"Hit two birds with one stone":
A) Many claim that they these are versatile rifles, and
B) You will also have the classic US Battle Rifle, for the price of a used plastic .223 AR.

jcollins1007
July 24, 2010, 12:12 AM
I will definitely keep that in mind, as Anniston is not too far from here. But like I posted earlier, I'm gonna get a boltie first, then I'll get the Garand as a toy later. Thanks guys.

jcollins1007
July 28, 2010, 07:08 PM
Well, I've decided on the Savage 114 American Classic. Thanks again for all the good advice.

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