KID and 30.06


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blacktailhunter
July 20, 2010, 01:18 AM
I bought my kid now 10 a youth model colt 30.06. He,s been shooting 150gr and kicks the hell out of him .any amo made for youth still cant find any.

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pikid89
July 20, 2010, 01:24 AM
Remington Core-Lokt Managed Recoil loads.....check online or bass pro/cabelas etc...

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-recoil/managed-recoil.aspx

jpwilly
July 20, 2010, 01:46 AM
If you handload you may want to try some of these "youth loads"

http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf

mongo4567
July 20, 2010, 02:14 AM
I have a friend who uses the Remington managed recoil rounds for his young kid to shoot in a .270, they do great if you don't want to reload.

blitzen
July 20, 2010, 02:33 AM
or you could trade that 30-06 in for a .243. i'd guess that about all he's learning now is how to flinch and be disapointed with his shooting.

Art Eatman
July 20, 2010, 08:38 AM
Any '06 much under eight pounds is gonna kick the heck out of most anybody who's not overwhelmed with masochism.

Find a reloader or take up reloading. About 20 to 25 grains of 2400 behind a 150-grain bullet is a nice plinker (can use el cheapo 100-grain bullets, for that matter) and is a minimum deer load.

Dr T
July 20, 2010, 08:53 AM
I agree with blitzen. About 48 years ago (when I was 10) I picked up a tremendous flinch shooting a 30-06. It took me 10 years and a 6 mm Rem to get over it.

Smokey Joe
July 20, 2010, 09:55 AM
Blacktail Hunter--When my #1 son was 10 or 11, he fired my '06 once. (This is a rifle that I can shoot all day w/no ill effects--once ran off 100 shots, no problem, so it is a not particularly hard kicker.) The lad firmly announce to me that he'd just fired my '06 for the LAST time.

We spent the following year looking for a deer rifle for him; finally got him a Win Ranger Youth Mdl .243. He liked it from the git-go; shot it enough to get good with it, and every deer he pointed it at, died. The Ranger Youth is an ordinary Mdl 70 with a cut-down stock and a relatively short bbl; it fit him perfectly at 11 YO. Of course he eventually outgrew the stock, and we got him a full-size stock, which the rifle still wears. He still likes the rifle.

For the kid's sake, get the "managed recoil" rounds, or load up some yourself! If you can, reconsider what cartridge he should be shooting--there are several very good, deer-killing cartridges out there that are so much milder than the old Aught-Six.

bpl
July 20, 2010, 10:33 AM
Remington Core-Lokt Managed Recoil loads.....check online or bass pro/cabelas etc...


+1

We use them in 7mm-08 and have killed a few deer no problem. Our boy just turned 12 and at 10-11 had no problem with the Rem Managed Recoil in 7mm-08. He's also quite small for his age. He has also killed one deer with a standard load .243 and that works too.

usmc1371
July 20, 2010, 12:41 PM
I started out with the 30-06 when I was 11 and I was tiny, that ruger m77 was as tall as me. I couldn't handle the factory 150 grain loads and had to do alot of shooting with a 22 and a 223 to loose the flinch I had devloped. My old man loaded up some 130 grain loads that were nice and light and by keeping my practice to a few rounds at a time I was able to shoot quite well, took over a year. I also shot my bb gun every day at rats and barn birds that tought me to get on target fast and get the shot off while not thinking about recoil.
I am 32 now and still have that old 06 and have killed alot of big game with it but now it fits me like it should. After going through all of that when (if I have a kid) I teach my kid to shoot a deer rifle I will buy a suitable/right size gun of a smallish bore, not an 06. I shot a .243 for the first time not to long ago and it was fun, very little kick and easy to shoot. Never killed any thing with one but I am propably the only one who hasn't.

cougar1717
July 20, 2010, 01:59 PM
No need to get a different gun, Remington's 125gr. Managed Recoil will be fine. Just make sure to get enough for him to practice and have some to hunt with. Managed recoil cartridges can be hard to find once the weather cools down and everyone gears up for hunting season.

Ratdog68
July 20, 2010, 02:05 PM
They're spendy if you can find 'em... but the "Accelerator" rds by Remington are VERY recoil friendly. They're SMOKIN' fast at 4080fps, but at 55gr (.223 with a plastic sabot), it's about like shooting a .22-250

dmazur
July 20, 2010, 02:11 PM
Accelerator not a good recommendation...no matter what he's trying to do with them

1. Target? -- inaccurate, hard to find and expensive
2. Deer hunting? -- inaccurate, bullets too light
3. Varmint hunting? -- see "target" ( :) )

I'm surprised Remington still makes these things...

Ratdog68
July 20, 2010, 02:58 PM
Accelerator not a good recommendation...no matter what he's trying to do with them

1. Target? -- inaccurate, hard to find and expensive
2. Deer hunting? -- inaccurate, bullets too light
3. Varmint hunting? -- see "target" ( :) )

I'm surprised Remington still makes these things...
I watched MANY caribou die with a single well-placed shot from an Accelerator out of my father's .30-06. Personally... I used my .22-250 for 'bou.

rcmodel
July 20, 2010, 03:18 PM
Buy a Lead-Sled and let him shoot it off the bench until he grows up some more.

As others have said, trying to get him to shoot a hard kicking riife like that at his age is not doing him any good a tall.

rc

mjyeagle
July 21, 2010, 10:37 AM
i dont know about the ammo but if you reload or know somebody that reloads you can get them very mild with gas checked cast bullets

Fremmer
July 21, 2010, 11:43 AM
You might have to order them online, but the reduced recoil (managed recoil) rounds will really help.

hometheaterman
July 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
I've also seen that Federal offers a Fusion Lite now. I'd be more inclined to check into those over the Remington managed recoil loads.

sonier
July 21, 2010, 02:04 PM
we need to know if you reload your own ammo or are you stuck with factory rounds.

41magsnub
July 21, 2010, 02:37 PM
I've fired several of the 125gr managed recoil .30-06 and it felt .243'ish to me. My buddy uses them exclusively now for deer hunting due to his bad shoulder to good effect.

Mule
July 21, 2010, 02:47 PM
As we were about to field dress a whitetail doe, my then 14 y.o. son said "Dad, when we practiced with your 30-06, it beat the h*** out of me. When I shot this deer, I didn't feel nothin."

Temp430
August 16, 2010, 08:53 AM
I put a youth stock on my Remington 700 BDL for my ten year old and he says the Remington Managed Recoil loads don't kick that much relative to his 20 ga. shotgun. My only complaint is that the rifle hates these light loads. The best group I was able to shoot was just under 4 inches the worst was almost 6 inches. I tried several times and free floated the barrel which did not help. I was able to shoot a 1" group with the same rifle on the same day with normal ammo. I figure it'll be OK for him to use since we'll be hunting in woods where at best one can see 70 yards. Although, I'm tempted to sneak him a normal round on the youth opener.

bpl
August 16, 2010, 11:22 AM
Although, I'm tempted to sneak him a normal round on the youth opener.

I'm tempted to do the same with the 7mm-08 when we go out for black bear this year. I have a box of Federals with the 140gr TSX. I just need to shoot a couple to ensure that the POI is similar enough to the managed recoil cartridges.

snakeman
August 16, 2010, 12:44 PM
slip on a pachmayr decelerator and that should help. I personally think a kid at 10 shouldn't shoot anything bigger than a 308 but you already bought the gun and pad should help a lot.

Captcurt
August 16, 2010, 01:21 PM
My Speer manual (#12) has reduced loads. I loaded some 243's down for my buddies 8 year old grandson. He's killed 4 deer with them.

DeepSouth
August 16, 2010, 01:36 PM
My 10 year old had the same trouble with a 308. I put one of these (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0012758224114a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCHFEAT_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntt=recoil+pad&Ntk=Products&sort=all&Go.y=8&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/search/search-box.jsp.form1&Go.x=10) one him him and he said it kicked like a 22.


I would definitely try one.

benzy2
August 16, 2010, 01:44 PM
I would load some reduced loads. Even if you don't load currently the cheapest loading setup along with a box of bullets, a pound of powder, and 100 primers is going to be cheaper than 100 reduced recoil rounds and you get your pick of bullet. Load them down to .30-30 velocity and it should be a bit easier on the boy.

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