I'm in the market for a IWB small of back holster for my FM90 Hi Power so keep in mind the slab side slide. I'm thinking under $50 with a thumb break retention. I don't know how to say what cant I want because I don't know the different cants. I would like a slight cant.
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July 20, 2010, 03:44 PM
Hmmm... an IWB with a retention strap is kind of a strange animal. Not sure how many of those you'll find.
SOB's have largely fallen out of favor for being several flavors of dangerous, and uncomfortable, and poor in the concealment department, though a few compaies do still make them. Adding up that wish list it might be easier to find someone to do it custom. $50 would be a steal, though.
Desantis actually does make a few versions of a thumb-break retention IWB. (Who knew?) But none for the H.P. and none SOB.
Rays (www.shado.com) makes various holsters for the H.P., and they're under $50, but nothing that combines everything you're asking for.
What kind of activity do you foresee doing that requires that exact type of carry?
July 20, 2010, 04:44 PM
I guess i'm don't really need the retention but I would prefer to carry the HP in that place. I've heard that 1911 holsters also will work especially with the 1911 style slide. What would conceal the HP the best in your opinion?
July 20, 2010, 05:40 PM
You want to carry truely in the small of your back? Or just behind your hip? A 4 o'clock position is very comfortable and provides decent concealment.
A true SOB holster prints badly when you move, makes sitting in a chair or car seat extremely uncomfortable, often encourages you to sweep your body with the muzzle when you draw, and can cause very serious spinal injuries if you should fall and land on the gun. That's why many manufacturers have very few offerings in their catalogs. Some won't make them at all.
I use a "pancake" or "Speed Scabbard" (same thing really) OWB holster to carry my 1911 most of the time, as it is very comfortable and the smooth outer leather surface blends the gun's profile smoothly beneath a cover shirt.
If I'm going without a cover garment -- or just want maximum concealment -- I use a custom tuckable holster very similar to a Versa-Max II. I've also had fine success with a Summer Special IWB.
IWBs are extremely secure. The gun is in tight and usually carried deeper than an OWB -- and your belt tension can be adjusted to make them as tough to remove as you want. I ride roller coasters, have been in roll-over car wrecks, wrestle with my kids, climb trees, etc., etc. with any of these and have never had a gun move a hair out of the holster.
A thumb-break or other retention holster is designed more for openly carrying where you might want to slow down a gun-grab or might have you gun jostled loose from an OWB holster. I can only imagine that the few thumb-break IWBs that exist are built for police officers whose departments mandate they must carry with a retention holster.
The Lone Haranguer
July 20, 2010, 07:12 PM
The Bianchi model called "Pistol Pocket" and the Don Hume H715 thumbbreak version are the only IWB retention holsters I can think of offhand. If your CCW holster fits properly you don't need a safety strap, IMO.
July 20, 2010, 07:38 PM
Now that you say it Sam, it is a behind the hip where I want to carry and I don't need the retention. What are your recommendations for a IWB holster in the 4'oclock.
(I thought that SOB was the 4'oclock position)
July 20, 2010, 07:52 PM
Ah, ha! Makes sense now.
This is a true SOB: http://www.shado.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/resized/Shado_Back_Belt__4a8f03f35ef2a_150x150.jpg
Sits just at your spine, or slightly to the strong side of it (kidneys). Not what most folks want.
For the normal 4:00 position, I like the Versa Max or Summer Special (both Milt Sparks names for the styles) or good copies/variations of them.
The VM has wings to spread out the belt loops more for better stability and concealment. Some versions of that design (like the one I use) are cut deeply on either side of the holster so you can tuck your shirt in in front of the gun and only the belt loops show. They also need more room in your pants & belt because of more leather, but they are smooth across the inside and so, very comfortable.
The Summer Special (or variants of it) are a little simpler and place belt loops directly on top of the gun. That's thicker, so "lumpier" under a shirt. Also might be slightly less comfortable, maybe, depending on your build.
Both will ride nicely just behind your hip.
July 20, 2010, 07:55 PM
Here is the custom one I use for dress occasions and/or deeper concealment.