Why do i want this gun?!


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PT1911
July 21, 2010, 04:45 PM
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=38
124588

I am not sure what it is about the combination of a 16 inch barrel and full length hand guard that I find appealing, but I most definitely do!!!! I have wanted one for some time... Maybe it is the longer sight radius. I honestly do not know...

ANYHOW, I put one on order today, should be getting it next week... I cannot wait... Getting it at a decent price too, so I guess i will be a happy camper next week.

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mikewayde
July 21, 2010, 04:49 PM
I have allways liked the look and function of the full length guard and prefer a full length quad rail than a shorter one.

Kernel
July 21, 2010, 05:28 PM
An 8.2 pound 16" carbine! Looks nice, but it's gonna be a heavy little PIG.

Q: Why do i want this gun?????!!!!!

A: Because hauling it around is more fun than working out with dumb bells. (?)
:neener:

Gouranga
July 21, 2010, 05:54 PM
LOL, I hear man, I picked up my Classic 16 today. Can't explain what I like about it, I just do. lol.

PT1911
July 22, 2010, 03:59 AM
I did notice the little bugger was on the heavy side, but I just cannot help myself... of all of the AR configurations I have seen, I like this one the best.... it may not be the most accurate or the lightest, but then again, if I only bought the most practical things, I would have a lot fewer guns.

PT1911
July 22, 2010, 09:18 AM
Anyone with experience with this configuration or one similar? Since I bought my first flat-top i have wanted a fixed carry handle model. Once again, I really cannot elaborate on the origins of this..... hankering...but I wanted to keep to the carbine length... leave it to me to further complicate things by wanting to keep the full length hand guard (and longer sight radius) on said carbine... needless to say, when the opportunity to "pull the trigger" on getting one ordered, I just did not have the self control to say no...

perhaps someone should do a study about the relationship between gun enthusiasts and impulse control..I am thinking there is an inverse relationship waiting to be discovered.

dom1104
July 22, 2010, 09:30 AM
its a dissipator right?

I like it a lot myself, always have liked Dissipator rifles.

tju1973
July 22, 2010, 10:25 PM
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=38
124588

I am not sure what it is about the combination of a 16 inch barrel and full length hand guard that I find appealing, but I most definitely do!!!! I have wanted one for some time... Maybe it is the longer sight radius. I honestly do not know...

ANYHOW, I put one on order today, should be getting it next week... I cannot wait... Getting it at a decent price too, so I guess i will be a happy camper next week.
Here is mine (not a great pict, but the D.I.V.O.R.C.E. took my good camera)--its another option..18" barrel-- full length gas system, and full sight radius...the length is not much more, and you arent hampered by a carbine length gas system..IMHO..
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e70/tju1973/DSC03145.jpg

TheGrimReaper
July 23, 2010, 02:43 AM
???

desidog
July 23, 2010, 10:18 AM
The weight balance of a dissy just feels good....and a longer sight radius doesn't hurt either (although i haven't noticed any huge improvement on accuracy!)

Here's my 7.62Tok Dissy
http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/6959/ar762toks.jpg

jobin
July 23, 2010, 12:52 PM
I like your style. I've had this for a few months & love it.

124644

Onmilo
July 24, 2010, 08:54 AM
The original concept.
The Bushmaster Disapator Carbine.
Mine has since been shot out and rebuilt into a standard A2 rifle.
This little rifle made me actually like the M16/AR15 format after six less than encouraging years using and fixing M16A1 rifles in the Army.
http://www.fototime.com/CC9061370122307/standard.jpg

PT1911
July 25, 2010, 08:07 PM
I am honestly pretty surprised at the overall tone of the responses... I guess i assumed there were avid fans of the rifles and carbines, but not many left over for a "mixture" of the two... I am greatly looking forward to its arrival next week.

briansmithwins
July 25, 2010, 08:28 PM
How heavy is the barrel?

If it's a HABR it's going to be very nose heavy.

BSW

airdale
July 26, 2010, 08:35 AM
PT,

Congrats on your new acquisition! I just recieved my new DPMS and am thrilled. It's definatly a shooter. A lot different from yours but it's what floats my boat. The point is if yours meets your epectations as well as mine did you're gonna be a very happy camper. Let us know how she shoots.

Tirod
July 26, 2010, 11:22 AM
Weight is dependent on a lot more than handguard length. Most quad rails come within ounces of the issue guards in each length, and can weigh more. It's the barrel profile, accessories, and A1 upper with GI FSB that contribute the most to rifle weight.

A lot of dissappators are being built on midlength barrels now. It's the optimum set up, as the gas hole is drilled to position it the proper distance from the muzzle, not the chamber. Most get that backwards.

The AR15 weight calculator on TOS can tell pretty close what a finished carbine will weigh, and a lot of loaded down M4geries will go 10.5 pounds easy. I've estimated my build at 8.25 pounds, and that's a whole bunch better than a HK91 when hunting all day on foot.

Some of the internet HSLD commandos put them in ill repute, but they have a purpose beyond the looks. Three gun shooters have gone to long rails for better hand placement and barrel control, they aren't grabbing the hot barrel on their guns for a reason. It works the same for hunting when it's carried in the car and on foot a lot. It protects the user from the barrel and gives more control.

wally
July 26, 2010, 04:01 PM
I got one for the longer sight radius since I can now use iron sights again after having Lasik. I don't think it'd be so great if you wanted an optic unless you also want a bayonet on a 16" rifle :)

I enjoy shooting it, although I still do better with red dots or optics.

Hatterasguy
July 26, 2010, 04:17 PM
I always liked the standard hanguard on an AR, this aluminum quadrail fad is just sillyness.

bluedesert17
July 26, 2010, 04:19 PM
There is nothing wrong with a full length AR. Hell, my unit still uses M16A2s for rifle qual, and I shoot expert everytime.

Al LaVodka
July 26, 2010, 10:14 PM
The 16" HBAR with a full stock is very well balanced. The full-length (20") ones are front heavy!

I know how you feel PT, I have bought TWO Dissipator uppers in the past coupla months. Both Bushmaster flatops: one an HBAR with scout rail and BUIS while the other is a customized essentially M-4 profile-barreled one with carry handle -- the latter would be better telestock balanced. Besides protection and sight radius the full-length handguard lets you shoot well in prone. The gas-blocks are where they belong -- they are set up as 16" carbines.

So, why am I hankering for a middy? Slightly longer sight radius and handguards, less gas erosion and dust some say, takes a bayo... I dunno. Best of all worlds?

Al

killchain
July 26, 2010, 10:33 PM
I think part of the attraction is at first glance, it looks like an SBR?

I have been noticing that more and more people are going with the longer handguards.

It does look neat though. I'm more of a carbine length guy myself.

MachIVshooter
July 27, 2010, 08:42 AM
So, why am I hankering for a middy? Slightly longer sight radius and handguards, less gas erosion and dust some say, takes a bayo... I dunno. Best of all worlds?

That's my take. The midlength carbines are the best combination of handiness and performance, IMO. Slightly higher velocity and smoother cycling than a carbine, but noticeably lighter and shorter than a rifle. The dissipator doesn't really seem to offer any advantage over a middy (esp. if optical sights are used), and looks a bit funny. I like to see the correct amount of barrel protruding from the handgaurds and FSB. That means 14.5" on a carbine, 16" on a middy and 20" on full handguards.

I opted for an Armalite M15A2 middy

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/miniM-15.jpg

PT1911
July 30, 2010, 08:06 PM
well, I picked 'er up today and I must say... though the gun is a bit heavy (as expected) it is so in a GOOD way... the weight distribution is GREAT IMO... I guess some would say it is nose heavy or front heavy but it feels perfect... hopefully I will get some range time next week... I am incredibly excited about it... didnt think I could get giddy about a gun anymore... well, I was wrong.


on an unrelated not... this is the first AR I have ever been tempted to mount a bayonet on!!!!:eek:

PT1911
July 31, 2010, 07:54 PM
so, the more I handle this gun, the more I like it!... I am definitely not regretting this purchase.

Gouranga
July 31, 2010, 08:02 PM
Don't blame ya. I love my DPMS Classic 16, thing is a joy to shoot. I had a LOT of fun running rounds through it. One thing that is a PITA is getting the hand guards off for cleaning. That ring does NOT want to come down.

rangerruck
August 1, 2010, 02:08 AM
You wanna talk crazy? I don't wanna go build one, cuz that means I would start investing the money. but if I ever ran across one, in either gas or piston, that had a flat top, pencil bbl, with a 18 to 22 inch bbl, and used the triangle handguards, but the sides of the handguards had milspec rails on them, but not the bottom?
... Don't get me started...

so what did they charge you for the rig anyway?

Sport45
August 1, 2010, 03:46 AM
Why do i want this gun?!

I don't have a clue... Different strokes for different folks, I guess. ;)

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