Selling my CZs! Zed wasn’t so bad friend but there are better ones

I am sorry guys but I have to announce that I’m selling both of my CZ85Bs. Maybe Todd really got me with his “Zed is not your friend” article. I’m going to get some more modern, more reliable and durable pistol that is not is not as heavy as the CZ. I have to admit, and this is based on my experience, it is NOT as reliable as the Bretta 92 or the Glock 17/19. :(

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9158/cz85bml.jpg

The more you stir it, the stinkier this gets. :)

Thats the dumbest thing i have heard. Someone writes a report and you feel you have to ditch the firearm now?

CZ75's are amazing firearms.

What?

Too bad. My Cz's have been my more reliable guns. Sorry to hear you had problems with yours.

So, ummm, since they're such crappy guns and all, you should want to let go of 'em pretty cheap right?

Forgive me but, who is Tod?

Forgive me but, who is Tod

Wasn't it this guy?

http://www.movieprop.com/tvandmovie/reviews/soldier.jpg

As far as this post - the OP seems to want to tell every firearm forum that he is doing this for some reason...

you should want to let go of 'em pretty cheap right?
They have been proven unreliable in this case so they should be sold for well below market value. Somebody should get a nice deal on the two 85s.

Forgive me but, who is Tod?

This guy: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:MEpMGgpjNsZB9M:http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/PlayboyPenguin/Glock-Aid.jpg

Yes, he is posting this everywhere, but if he is selling them, the wider the market for offers, the better for hinm, I would guess. Good luck, sir. I wouldn't sell based on that article, but he apparently also had some reliabilty issues with his customized guns, and wants to change. The beauty of this country, great diversity in firearms choices.
I will continue to carry my CZs, they work just fine for me.

He is talking about Todd at pistol-training.com who wrote an article about his observation that in his training classes CZs have been very unreliable.

smells like a troll in here...... :/

Selling a good pistol for a chunk of plastic? Thats like trading in a BMW for a Toyota, yuck.:barf:

I have been told that he is not selling them in the US, but overseas in his home country, so this is his opinion posted, not an actual for sale thread. All well and good, everyone is entitled to thier opinions and beliefs.

hey BMdub and Yota are both great...

Between my brother and I we owned 5 different CZ's at one time. 3 were 75 B's a 75 BD and a PO-1. We had troubles with all of them. We fell for all the internet hype and thought we were pretty smart getting great guns for much less than the big name brands.

We came to the same conclusion several years ago, sold them all and moved on to better guns.

Oy vey. Buy what you want and feel comfortable with.

jmr40: I "fell for it" also except I think I'm going to keep my CZ. I am interested in what took the place of your sold CZs though. I want as many guns as I can get that do not malfunction at all.

Why don't you try one of those reeeaalllly high dollar 1911s.

Between my brother and I we owned 5 different CZ's at one time. 3 were 75 B's a 75 BD and a PO-1. We had troubles with all of them. We fell for all the internet hype and thought we were pretty smart getting great guns for much less than the big name brands.

We came to the same conclusion several years ago, sold them all and moved on to better guns.
CZ sucks? My PO1 shoots sub 1" groups at twenty-five yards, its never malfunctioned, it is as close to ergonomically perfect as you're likely to get, best of all, mine was bought at a no "sales tax" sale for $480.00! It is beautifully finished, and IMO completely superior to my P226. Of course any manufacture can turn out a lemon, but FIVE to one party? Sorry, I ain't buying it!

Well good luck. Unfortunately if you read everything on the internet you will find out that ALL guns are unreliable. Remember all the Glock 40 kabooms from a few years ago?

quit licking the spoon!

that's nasty.

^^^^^^^^

Now that's FUNNY :D

CZ-75... unreliable??? Not durable???

Was the OP posting this from the Twilight Zone? Mine hasn't had a single failure in it's last 200 rounds (range day).

Mine's a 1996 by the way. Made in CA back when the plant was still open.

My first impression is that this a big April fools joke....

So the guy doesn't like CZ I wish more people didn't it would drive the price down for those of us who do

I don't think I ever got a CZ handgun to give me sub 1" groups at 25 yards, but then I don't think I got ANY handgun to give me that kind of accuracy yet, no matter the maker. I also shoot standing, not from a rest of any kind, I should try that sometime. :)
This is a good group, for me, from the P07 at 10 yards.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/P07range13.jpg

And not a single other message from the troll

I only own one CZ ~ Its a model CZ 83. Its a great medium size high capacity pistol. Has always shot flawlessly with all types of ammo. Accuracy is tops. I picked it up a couple of years ago as a used European police trade in??? The gun was a hand picked firearm by the vendor and was a good 99%. At $230 the bang for the buck has been awesome. If for some reason I needed another CC pistol, I would not hesitate to look at the CZ line.

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And not a single other message from the troll

He averages about 10.5 meassages a year so he's obviously not the most prolific poster on THR. I don't know that you can call him a troll.

I went back and read the original article by 'Todd" (wasn't the guy Gecko was looking for named "Todd" too?) and I'm willing to accept that he had three students W/ CZs that had issues that class. A tanfiglio isn't a CZ and I don't care what issues someone had W/ that. You might as well not by a Ford Mustang because the Pintos sucked. What I'm not willing to do is base my handgun purchases on what some anonymous internet gun guru thinks.

When I bought my first CZ I was unfamiliar W/ the brand I was looking for a .40 S&W W/ a DA/SA trigger and the 75B was my second choice. It happened that I couldn't find my first choice at the gunshow so I went home W/ the CZ.

I paid 400.00$ for it used and in the 2 years I've had it I've had exactly one FTE.
That's enough for me to be willing to bet my life on it and I don't care what "Todd" thinks.

LOL, WHAAAT?

I've owned my CZ-75 Semi-compact for 6 years. It has over 1,500 rounds down the tube without a SINGLE malfunction.

Less reliable than Glock? - Not that I've seen from my G17 or G30

Less reliable than Beretta? - Not that I've seen from my Cougar

Less reliable than Sig? - Not that I've seen from my P6.

Frankly: your being foolish.

The OP never said CZ's were bad, or unreliable, just that there were better choices. I agree.

I understand the appeal that CZ's have. They make a great range toy. But don't confuse that with a great combat handgun. CZ's are accurate, the weight helps tame recoil and if you have average to small hands they have great ergonomics. All that helps for paper punching and shooting games. But for a variety of reasons, there are much better self defense handguns.

Some of you guys seem impressed with 2,000 rounds or so of reliable service. The Beretta had to continue working for 25,000 rounds to pass the military trials. Many 1911's have documented 100,000 rounds and are still working. When someone documents 250,000 rounds through a CZ you will now be playing with the big boys and I'll be impressed.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands. Their experiences mirror mine. While the CZ is a good gun, it is not the best choice as a fighting gun.

Thats the dumbest thing i have heard. Someone writes a report and you feel you have to ditch the firearm now?

CZ75's are amazing firearms.
I count on people like this. The latest article that pops up is the gun du jour. I buy most of my guns from these guys. They always take a beating on the gun and I get a nearly new for CHEAP!!

Post'em up in the classifieds, let's see how much you think it's worth!

I wanted to see what this article he referenced said so I Googled "Zed is not your friend". The 1st result was the article in question, but the 2nd two were posts by the OP on other forums. So I searched "Zed is not your friend irfan" and found he'd posted this exact same thing at a total of four other sites plus he'd had responses on the original article at pistol-training.com, which I found odd.

czforumsite.info
m4carbine.net
glocktalk.com
thefiringline.com
pistol-training.com << site of Todd post

I also found this post made here by the OP on Apr. 19th, 2 months before he read the piece by Todd

I’ve had my CZ-85B 9mm pistol for 7 years. For those who don’t know it’s an ambidextrous version of the CZ-75B. I have to say I really like the pistol! It has great ergonomics, low bore axis, a steel frame, can be carried cocked & locked, hi-cap etc.

Today, I bought an excellent leather Italian VEGA shoulder holster for my CZ! My question for you guys (especially for those of you who are member of law enforcement agencies) would you feel comfortable to carry a CZ85B? I know it weighs too much, (I’m probably going to buy some smaller handgun, maybe a G26 or M&P340 revolver, but not so sure) but I speak here about its reliability and dependability. This is SHTF, go to war pistol. Do I really need a more “tactical” and popular Glock 17 or a SIG Sauer P226 for this purpose???
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6436774#post6436774


That said hes not a troll in my opinion, but I don't know what to make of it all

Sorry for the long post but when I get a whiff of something weird I start to dig.

<<<< please note my low post count lol

OK, so where is this "tod" thread????

Thanks for some links, but to the op, come on, post a link don't just drop a pointless "hate" thread, really, what is the point of your post???????

I have CZ's and I am willing to spend my money to buy more, don't really see what your problem is, hell, you can get a bryco or jennings to work if you are willing to put the effort in. CZ's run with fewer hicups, now don't get me started on Kimbers :rolleyes:

Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands.
This is not the case outside of the U.S. The CZ is one of the most popular military and police pistols on the planet.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands.

You need to do some research. The US military and police market is dominated by who can deliver a weapon that meets the spec at the lowest price. It has nothing to do with what is the best. 99% of law enforcement and military get n choice in what they get to carry.

CZ has been used in great numbers all over the world by the very people you claim have passed them over. :eek:

I don't know how anyone can claim the CZ-75 is not a reliable firearm. I have several CZ-75's and they will even eat ammo that is rejected by the case guage without any hiccups. In my expereince the CZ-75 is amongst the msot reliable firearms manufactured.

I'm not choosing sides, but the CZ I had was not reliable.
It had a problem failing to eject the spent brass, thus causing the next round to stove-pipe.
It was sent back to CZ once, they claimed to have fixed the problem, but after a few hundred rounds it once again was malfunctioning.
It also didn't matter what ammo I used or who shot it, or what magazine I used, it would fail to eject the spent brass about three times per 10 round magazine.

I later traded it to a guy who felt that he could fix the problem.
Last time I talked to him he had sent it back to CZ again (this was several years ago).

It was a CZ 75B .40 Single-Action.


Does this mean that I don't trust CZ pistols?

No.
I think I just got a lemon.
It could happen to any gun maker.

Still, there were other things I didn't like so much about my CZ:
Since the slide rides inside the frame, if offers less to grab when racking the slide.
The sights were just a tad too small.
The reset was very long.
The trigger-pull, while crips and precise, was rather long too.
And it was a rather heavy pistol.

But it was very accurate.

My wife put over a thousand rounds through her's in a single weekend class and the only problem was sore thumb from loading magazines. No problems before the class. None after. Of course her CZ could just be the one good gun off the line that run, but our buddy taking the same course ran his and he didn't experience any problems either.

Perhaps they both were just lucky.:rolleyes:

The other thing was the blogger claiming CZ was/is responsible for Tanfoglio products. Thats like saying "My Taurus Model 82 broke, so all Smith and Wesson revolvers suck!" ;) Also not mentioning that some of the guns exhibiting possible mag related failures were using home altered magazines made for another manufacturers firearms. :eek:
BUT, I only have 32 years shooting, and 17 years experiance with 6 Tanfoglio and 10 CZ-B products, what do I know.:rolleyes:

BTW, the Phillipene National Police force just dumped Glock for the CZ P07, but no law enforcement agency would consider that move... :uhoh:

Nah, that's OK, move along citizen, nothing to see here, move along.:p

"I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands."

Not in this world they don't pass them over. What world are you talking about?

CZ-75 pistols have been widely used in combat and police work since they were invented in '75.

John

BTW, the Philippines National Police force just dumped Glock for the CZ P07, but no law enforcement agency would consider that move
I don't know if this is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

After all, the Philippines is not a very wealthy nation and CZ probably made them a better deal than Glock.

Not to mention that Glocks are kinda fat in the grip, and Filipinos are not very large people (small hands), so the CZ's might be a better fit.


Does this mean that CZ pistols are better than Glocks?
No.
But the CZ might be better than a Glock for the average Filipino police officer.

I look at it this way. Everyday there are men who go into harms way carrying a handgun for protection. Soldiers, law enforcement, and professional security personel overwhelmingly pass over the CZ pistols for other brands. Their experiences mirror mine. While the CZ is a good gun, it is not the best choice as a fighting gun.

Well first of all the gun was chambered in 9mm luger vs 9mm makarov all eastern block countries were forced to use.

It was a cold war foe, so no nato countries used it till the wall fell.

In its orginal form with a safety its not a very police recruit friendly gun. No departments or militaries allow cocked and locked carry except by special units.

Its my understanding the orginal 1911 was carried in a flap holster with the hammer down on an empty chamber, same with the BHP.

So even though it was a double action gun, one had to manually lower the hammer, which is done very easily, however one of the reasons police cheifs stuck with revolvers so long is because they were so easy to train new recruits on. Only after policemen unions in larger departments basically forced alot of cheifs to adopte semi's due to the escalating violence of the drug wars in the 1980's did this change.

Part of the reason Glocks are so popular is that they are a easy weapon to learn, rack slide, pull trigger, not far from a revolver.

So yes if you are typical police officer or military officer who only pulls his gun out once a year for qualification, by all means buy a glock.

If you are a expieranced shooter, the CZ is not that hard to master.

The cz patter is probably the most copied gun in the world, except maybee the 1911. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

easyg
http://www.czub.cz/en/news/news/the-success-of-the-cz-75-sp-01-at-3-gun-championship-in-the-philippines.aspx

Read about halfway down on that press release.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_National_Police#Weapons_and_Equipment

Sorry this is a Wiki page, the PNP homepage doesn't appear to have this info.

If that information doesn't meet your standards, I do apologize.

EasyG:

I had similar problems with my .40.

I replaced the extractor and spring: 5 minutes max.

I called CZ on the slide stop - the gun was assembled with a 9mm SS - these WILL tap the rounds and give you erradic feeding. They sent me a NEW .40 SS, so now I have a spare for my Kadet kit.

Now it is 100%.

CZs are EASY to work on, and almost all of it can be done my the user. And... reliability problems are rare.

Also, try to rack the slide on a Browning HP with the hammer down. CZ is easier.

It is also one of the most accurate pistols in general - read some forums. The .40 in particular. The CZ is also the easiest pistol to get a proper high thumbs hand hold with NO RISK of touching the slide at any time.

If you want a lighter pistol, they make them.

I don't drink CZ coolade. I criticize their trigger execution and offering NO P01 model with a manual safety - and I do it regularly.

But, reliability for the CZ is NOT a general issue.

The President of the Philippines Police Force, Mr. Jesus A Verzosa, who participated in the entire championship using the CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow pistol, finished this shooting challenge and stated that the results of the championship helped him conclude the final qualified decision as to which manufacturer should be selected to supply pistols for the Police Force of the Philippines. His words were further supported with a confirmed order for CZ 75 P-07 Duty pistols.
So the President of the Philippines Police Force participated in a competition that only had about 500 pistol shooters total (half of which were shooting CZ weapons), in which he shot a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow, so he then ordered some CZ pistols....

Sounds like someone is getting paid under the table for delivering a contract with CZ. :scrutiny:

You doubted my word that they had signed a contract, I delivered the news, now you instantly assume it is an underhanded deal. If it were, would they publicize that? Ok, you obviously don't like the company and you don't believe the gun is good enough for any real user. Fine, you are certainly enitled to your opinions, even when A) you call me a liar

I don't know if this is true or not,

and B) I provide facts and data to support my statements.

Sorry, I deal with enough liars at work, don't need to deal with you too.

He posted the exact same thread over at the Firing Line Forum.

And it is illegal to post the same thread on more than one forum??? :uhoh:

Zed???

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/zed.jpg

not that it matters at all, but I am doing the same.

I just plain shoot the M&Ps better. So I am cashing in the CZs and jumping ship to Made In America.

I will keep my SA SP01 tho. :)

My wife put over a thousand rounds through her's in a single weekend class and the only problem was sore thumb from loading magazines. No problems before the class. None after. Of course her CZ could just be the one good gun off the line that run, but our buddy taking the same course ran his and he didn't experience any problems either.

Perhaps they both were just lucky.:rolleyes:
Buy your wife a Uplula loader and her thumbs will thank you.

W.E.G.

Post #51 . . . . . . now THAT'S funny :p

The obvious answer is: if you want to get a new gun, then get a new gun.

But, don't just sell your defense gun. Instead, buy the new gun, proof it, train with it, then sell the old one.

And it is illegal to post the same thread on more than one forum??? :uhoh:

illegal :D

The OP is fishing with a broad cast of his net, though. :scrutiny:

Oh wait, you're the OP.

Hey, you're not part of Irfanview are you? :confused:

I also read that Tod said you should sell them for 25 dollars a piece to some guy named Mike in Michigan. It's on the internet brah, it's gotta be true.

I hope you are not gaged by the number of threads you post on THR. I am more of a reader than a poster and have gotten alot of information here and really enjoy reading the opinons and ideas. I don't post much and don't really intend to. I bought my CZ PCR in Jan and I love it. The trigger is getting better and yes i have smaller hands so it fits me. Have shot several types of ammo without a hickup. My brother-in-law had one years back a Kadet maybe and i liked shooting it. Finally got one of my own

I wanted to see what this article he referenced said so I Googled "Zed is not your friend". The 1st result was the article in question, but the 2nd two were posts by the OP on other forums. So I searched "Zed is not your friend irfan" and found he'd posted this exact same thing at a total of four other sites plus he'd had responses on the original article at pistol-training.com, which I found odd.

czforumsite.info
m4carbine.net
glocktalk.com
thefiringline.com
pistol-training.com << site of Todd post



I noticed his threads on several of those forums as well... not that it matters.

CZ internet popularity changes depending on the forum. Lots of guys here and over on the firing line like them and have had generally good results with them.

Over on m4carbine.net they aren't big fans in general. ( http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=51477 )


Todd does post there quite a bit, incidentally, I guess he now shares that sentiment. Unfortunate, I would have liked to have seen him do one of his 25k or 100k round tests on a CZ.

why does he feel the need to share his sellings of his CZ's to the world wide web? it's his gun, so he can do with it what he pleases, and I wonder if that would include selling it for about two dollars to a certain guy in Idaho.... haha

I am getting a new pistol tomorow but I am going to stay with one CZ. It would be a stupid move to sell both of them.. I'll post some pics of the CZ I am going to keep and also of the pistol I'll get tomorow in a new thread.

I guess I've lived a sheltered life. I thought CZ's reputation was solid. I have a P01 that is 5 years old with hundreds of rounds (being conservative, never counted but more than any gun I've owned) fired without EVER malfunctioning in any way.

I've had Glocks, SIGs, Kahrs, Walthers malfunction, usually there is a reason, my most common have been a worn out recoil spring or a problem mag...but never with my CZ. I'm keeping mine .... I'm sure not reacting to an article that doesn't match my experience!!!

First of all he has CZ85s not C75s..

Having said that..makes no difference.

You couldnt give me 20 glocks for 1 CZ 85. Better yet, make mine a CZ85B.

Personal experience though..i HAVE seen 2 glocks "ka boom" in .40 and my G19 jammed all the time.

CZ is up there at about the same level with the Beretta 92...and yes..Beretta 92 has even had their share of problems (slides flying back into the face of the shooters)..but these are all LIMITED issues that all manufactureres have had..i dare say even the fugly glock.

.i HAVE seen 2 glocks "ka boom" in .40
Reloads.

and my G19 jammed all the time.
Limpwrist.

and yes..Beretta 92 has even had their share of problems (slides flying back into the face of the shooters)
Over pressure sub-machinegun loads.

lets see

the OP could have been using those excellent 3rd party mags like Triple K, Promag and such forth.

He and his brother could be excessively limp wristing

They could be using sub-par ammo or bad reloads

they could also be using CZ clones for all we know.

We are just supposed to take his word that CZ sucks because he had a bad experience. Considering all the positive reviews on this forum and this thread alone, I think we can deduce that the problems the OP had most likely were the result of user error.

(I have owned six CZ pistols and they are by far the best bang for the buck)

Quote:
and my G19 jammed all the time.
Limpwrist.

Seems to be a common problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

Apparently they are more prone to this type of operating malfunction than other nines. Makes me want to rethink on getting a G19. Shouldn't a combat pistol not have this issue? Wonder where Todd on this issue?

Seems to be a common problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

Apparently they are more prone to this type of operating malfunction than other nines. Makes me want to rethink on getting a G19. Shouldn't a combat pistol not have this issue? Wonder where Todd on this issue?

all pistols can suffer from limp wristing.


wiki
Depending on the operating mechanism, there are a number of places that limp wristing can cause a failure to cycle. Recoil operated firearms are more susceptible to failure of this type than blowback and gas-operated firearms, and lightweight polymer framed handguns are more susceptible than heavy steel framed handguns. When there is not enough energy to move the slide back far enough relative to the frame to cycle the action, it is called limp wristing. When there is too much energy in moving the slide back relative to the frame, it is called slide slam.

In blowback and gas operated firearms, the slide reacts against the frame pushing the frame forward slightly against the recoil of the bullet leaving. In recoil operated firearms, the slide reacts against the bullet, and the frame is under no force at the time of firing. As the slide begins to recoil to the rear some of that energy is transmitted to the frame through the locking mechanism (in locked breech designs) and the recoil spring. This transmitted energy accelerates the frame to the rear as well. If the frame is not sufficiently restrained by its mass and the shooter's grip, the frame will "catch up" to the slide, and the recoil spring will not be fully compressed, and the slide will return forward under less than the designed force.

One common result of limp wristing is a failure to eject, as the slide will be moving too slowly at the point where the ejector is activated. The slow moving case will be caught as the slide closes, resulting in a stovepipe jam. These jams can be easily dealt with by knocking the used brass out of the way with the side of your hand or closed fist. The other common result of limp wristing is a failure to return to battery; the slide will be moving too slowly to move the new cartridge fully into the chamber, so the slide will stop partially open. The least common form of failure is a failure to feed, where the slide returns to battery on an empty chamber, because the slide moved back just far enough to eject the fired cartridge, but not enough to strip the next round from the magazine.

And there you have it...

all pistols can suffer from limp wristing.

But Glocks seem more susptible to it then other 9mms.

I had a G17 that was really easy to limp wrist vs my Ruger, berretta, cz and M&P

True enough.

I dont 100% blame glock...but then again i do.

Part of the problem was trying to have good trigger control with glocks long horrible spongy trigger thats about as "nice" to pull as hot burritto coming out the other end...its horried.

So when you are trying to stay relaxed and on target and pull through that long spongy trigger pull....about the only thing i could do to keep it on point was tell myself.."let the gun suprise you...dont tense up"...and FIGHT that horrible trigger..ther result = limp wrist.

I do not/have not had this problem on ANY OTHER GUN except the glock.

As a matter of a fact, the only gun i have ever seen with a trigger that bad was the Taurus Millenium and the Kel tec.... (what can i say, im a trigger freak..LOVE the para LDA's and anything that has a good single action mode). The trigger reset on glocks however...are acceptable. Newbs (like i was) don't really learn to shoot with trigger re-sets for a bit when they first start shooting.

..and to further make matters worse... I let the "experts' at the gun stealership talk me into getting a ported barrel..

So no i dont fully blame glock..although most of the factors were glock induced (spongy trigger, being susceptible to limp wristing...and the poor choice of getting a ported barrel version) all add up to a gun with constant jamming problems.

Of course we are a bit off topic now but i think the side topic needed to be addressed lol.

I have a nose for B.S. so here's what I plan to do:

I've always meant to buy a CZ, just never got around to it. When my European Lottery money arrives by courier next week I'll have enough money to buy a few and test them out. Maybe I can combine my studies on curving and throwing bullets into the research. Sound reasonable?

PS: thanks to the OP for informing us all of the HUGE CZ problem and thanks to the friendly Nigerian fellow who persisted in his email campaign to notify me of my winnings. Where would I be without guys like those two?

I submit that if one brand of handgun is more susceptible to limp wrist failures that is a design flaw. If one brand functions when others fail that is a plus for that brand. If your hands were shot and you couldn't get off two shots with one brand but could with another the choice is clear between them.

Also, I'm thinking of buying a CZ 75, if I could find one in stainless in .40, but maybe they don't make them in SS?

Please go to:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6645825#post6645825
You'll find more answers here. :D

I hope the Moderator will close this thread.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/D11/60/60732.jpg

Read this!

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1247912

PS>SKylar. are you wanting a 75B SS Limited Edition?

They even have two Stainless mags with them.

This tactic doesn't seem to e working for you... I'm just sayin
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1246218
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417480

CZheck this out:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=535806

So.... you changed your mind again?

Well Irfan, if you are from another country perhaps there is something lost in translation from what you are writing here. However, your written English is better than many posts from members in the USA.

You seem enthusiastic about firearms and very willing to share your views about them.

CZF, just posted the first SS CZ link I could find on Bud's for HisSoldier as he had inquired about stainless.

All the same, I will some day own a CZ because, quite frankly their fine reputation precedes them and no one ever has too many pistols, just too many for the likes of some.

It's interesting to me how liberals can adore Jay Leno, overlook the fact that he owns more than 200 automobiles in a state that regulates everything and despise a guy for wanting an extra magazine for his Glock.

All of this post has been off subject, if there is one, but I've been on an M&P kick of late acquiring 3 since March. Once I hook the wife on shooting (I think she's almost there) that 75B will be mine! OK, after the 1911 and the High Power but before the Beretta. That's a lotta 9s...hmmm.