CVA Muzzleloader Questions


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chains1240
July 31, 2010, 11:13 AM
I am looking at getting a muzzleloader this year to extend my season. The two I am looking at are both by CVA. The Wolf and the Accura. The new versions with the easy breech plug can be had for $200 and $300 respectively. Ia the Accura worth $100 more? Or, would the Wolf do what I need for a first muzzleloader?

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husker
July 31, 2010, 11:41 AM
I wouldn't waist my money on either 1
Or the over priced ammo that you need to buy for them.
Get a traditional rifle like a Kentucky or Hawken's that shoots round ball.

scythefwd
July 31, 2010, 11:43 AM
Either should do you, but I would go for the accura. As to overpriced ammo, maxi's aren't that expensive. I've got an optima elite and so far I like it but I haven't really fine tuned it's load yet.

MCgunner
July 31, 2010, 02:36 PM
I just bought the Wolf and man am I happy with it! It's blued steel, guess if you want the stainless you'd spend more, but I'm very happy with the wolf. It has a very good trigger and so far doesn't seem to be load picky like my Hawken Hunter Carbine. As for the "expensive ammo"..:rolleyes:, it's cheaper to shoot FOR ME than buying patches. I cast a conical bullet that shoots to 2" at 100 yards in it, the 320 grain Lee REAL. I get lead for free. I just got it and am experimenting, but it loves 80 grains of 777 behind this bullet. I put a scope on it for my hunting, but it has very nice true glow sights on it, too. NO FRIGGIN' WAY would I, in the field, prefer a percussion cap Hawken to a break open 209 primed gun, either. It's much more weather resistant and no hangfires. I'll tote one of my Hawkens if the law says I must, but we don't have a BP season here and I will use the Wolf during the regular gun season. Too, when I get home I can unload it without using a ball puller or shooting it.

As far as I can tell, all you get with the more expensive guns practically speaking is stainless. Spend the extra if that's important to you. Functionally, hard to beat the Wolf for the money. I picked mine up at Gander Mountain for 170 bucks plus tax.


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kbbailey
July 31, 2010, 03:21 PM
I wouldn't waist my money on either 1
Or the over priced ammo that you need to buy for them.
Get a traditional rifle like a Kentucky or Hawken's that shoots round ball.

this goes for mee too. It is a whole new world.

MCgunner
July 31, 2010, 08:38 PM
The traditionalist will use the traditional. Me, I'm not that traditional. :D I'm more practical. Hell, I sit in a stand and hunt a feeder. I don't see Dan'l Boone doing that. But, he had more'n 10 acres to hunt.

chains1240
July 31, 2010, 09:53 PM
MCgunner, thank you for the post. And please, disregard the PM I just sent you 2 minutes ago. My e-mail did not inform me that there were replies to this post. Thank you again, and thank you to everyone that replied.

wombat13
August 4, 2010, 04:25 PM
I have a CVA Accura (stainless/camo) that I purchased in December. I've barely had enough time to sight it in, but I've already found an accurate load. Barnes Expander MZ 250 gr. over two 777 pellets (total 100 grains) gave me three shots touching and one 1/4" away at 100 yards (the only four I've shot with the Barnes). PowerBelts did not group well at all and Hornady XTPs were acceptable. I bought a package of the Barnes Expander MZ 300 gr. to try out (much better BC allows for more energy and a flatter trajectory).

My understanding is the Accura and Apex barrels get extra honing over the lower priced models. I think this is in the August 2010 American Rifleman. I couldn't be happier with mine.

frontiergander
August 5, 2010, 01:29 AM
actually both rifles are awesome. Put the names in a hat, stir it and buy the one thats name is drawn.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
August 5, 2010, 10:51 AM
Guess my opinion dosen't count for much but I'm giving it here anyway. (actually I'm giving someone else's opinion. I'vd never actually had my hands on one).. I live in Wyoming. Very rural. Just about everyone within 200 miles of me hunt a great deal of their winter (and spring, and summer, and fall) meat and many of them use muzzle loaders. I have so far talked with 3 people who use CVA. Two of them are now using the Wolf. They really like it. They say it's a good accurate rifle and 'not just for the money'. (these people can afford to buy whatever kind of rifle they want by and large). They just like the Wolf. They really like it....

courtgreene
August 5, 2010, 12:33 PM
The receivers are different because one will not take the barrels of another, so something MUST be different. However, the most noticable difference is the shorter barrel of the wolf. I have a wolf so I'm not criticizing, but one would imagine better velocity out of the optima or accura over the wolf.
I'm glad they came out with the newer wolves though (or would it be wolfs since it's a product's name and not an animal), because cabelas pretty much had a fire sale on the older models right before the new version came out (quick remove breech plug) and that meant I got mine for pennies on the dollar. It's a good gun. Not pretty, but hits where aimed.

CajunBass
August 5, 2010, 12:51 PM
I bought a Wolf last year. It's worked just fine for what I want it for. I've bought the "expensive" ammo for it one time and have enough rounds left over to check the scope and go hunting again this year. Maybe if I was plinking cans with it that would be a consideration, but it's not for me.

frontiergander
August 5, 2010, 01:00 PM
The New Wolf is a heck of a shooter. www.rrarms.com has them for well under $200.

80gr Blackhorn209, 250gr cva slick load sabot seated lightly on top of the powder, CCI 209M primers. 100 yards
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/000_1475.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/wolf90250SLS.jpg

The Accura is a heck of a shooter! My first 3 shots were excellent and i should have stopped but i went for 5 and it blew the group. I think barrel heat was a problem that day but who knows. The first 3 should have done the job on the deer :D

245gr Powerbelts 90gr Blackhorn209.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/000_1588.jpg

The Accura's trigger is much much lighter than the Wolfs and thats what helps improve accuracy, especially in the field with off hand shooting.

courtgreene
August 5, 2010, 01:53 PM
just got this in the inbox... it does a pretty superficial discussion of cva's new product line and should help you out a little. he doesn't really review them but there are links to reviews.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/guns/2010/08/going-country

chains1240
August 5, 2010, 07:59 PM
Thanks everyone. Gonna scrounge all the pop cans and look in the sofa for change. Hopefully I can get the Wolf or Accura next year.

wombat13
August 7, 2010, 07:57 PM
The New Wolf is a heck of a shooter. www.rrarms.com has them for well under $200.

80gr Blackhorn209, 250gr cva slick load sabot seated lightly on top of the powder, CCI 209M primers. 100 yards
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/000_1475.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/wolf90250SLS.jpg

The Accura is a heck of a shooter! My first 3 shots were excellent and i should have stopped but i went for 5 and it blew the group. I think barrel heat was a problem that day but who knows. The first 3 should have done the job on the deer :D

245gr Powerbelts 90gr Blackhorn209.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/CVA%20Gun%20Pics%20and%20Reviews/000_1588.jpg

The Accura's trigger is much much lighter than the Wolfs and thats what helps improve accuracy, especially in the field with off hand shooting.
Try something other than the powerbelts in your Accura and I'll bet your group gets even better. I have not found the powerbelts to be an accurate bullet in any muzzleloader I've tried (2 T/C and my CVA Accura). The Barnes Expander MZs (250gr) are incredibly accurate in my Accura (see my previous post).

frontiergander
August 7, 2010, 10:55 PM
Cant use sabots in colorado.

My main hunting bullet in the Accura are the 250gr Thor conicals.

The Accura with Powerbelts is far from being a slouch in the accuracy department!
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm53/thepowerbeltforum/Powder/PowerbeltAPPAccura2.jpg

That group was .403" center to center

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