Pietta Hickok Revolver Review


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denster
July 31, 2010, 11:39 PM
Fingers Mcgee posted pics of one of these on another forum and they looked so nice I had to have one. Once I found Cabela's had trhem on sale for $249 I ordered two. Got them in yesterday and at first glance they looked really good. Timing was spot on but I've had problems with Pietta in the past and the proof is in the dissasembly. Here is what I found.
Well I took both guns apart today and I continue to be amazed. I'll list what I found in sequence.

1) Wedges came out with a light tap and the spring end is properly beveled in both directions so the wedge goes in and out nicely. Both wedges were perfectly fit. Arbor wedge slot end is properly tapered.
2) Arbor length is right on the money on both guns.
3) B/C gap is .005 on one and .004 on the other.
4) The hammer just kisses the nipple at rest.
5) All of the nipples came out with no problems.
6) On dissasembly all screws came out easily.
7) Bolt fits cylinder slots with a clearance of just at .001.
8) Trigger pulls are smooth but a little long as expected one is 4lb the other 3.6lb.
9)All internals are smooth I couldn't find anything to improve.
10) No burrs present anywhere on the frame.
11) Case colors are more Colt like than anything I have seen from the Italians.
12) Engraving, while I'm sure it is done by machine or laser, is excellent.
13) On the blued surfaces the polish is to a higher degreee than usual and the blue is deeper and richer.
14) Forcing cone is well cut and smooth.

The only detractions I could find on either gun, and this is really picking nits, is I found some very faint polish marks on the barrel of one gun and the faux ivory grips stand very slightly proud of the frame on both guns. However they are otherwise well fitted with no gaps.

Bad news is that the sale is over and Cabela's has them back at $349.

If these are examples of the quality that Pietta intends to produce going forward then Uberti is going to have to get on the ball or run and hide.

Hope for some free time this week to see if they shoot as good as they look.

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robert garner
August 1, 2010, 01:38 AM
This thread is useless without pics!
However it is encouraging that Pietta has come so far!
robert

Bluehawk
August 1, 2010, 04:48 AM
Here is a pic from Cabelas website:

mykeal
August 1, 2010, 06:10 AM
denster,

Very good news, and hopefully there's more. I'd appreciate hearing about some of the things more important to performance: chamber diameters vs groove diameter, rifling depth and chamber/bore alignment for starters.

It's good to hear that they're getting the cosmetics right, though. A good start for sure.

madcratebuilder
August 1, 2010, 07:40 AM
denster, you do realize you just cost me $500 next time those go on sale.


I sure seems like the QC is getting much better on the new revolvers.

denster
August 1, 2010, 09:06 AM
Mykeal

Here is the additional info you asked for:

Chamber/bore alignment: No misalignment visible on any chamber on either gun.

Chamber dia: .368/.368
Bore Dia land to land: .362/.3625
Groove dia: .372/.372
Arbor dia: .432/.432
Cylinder Arbor dia .435/.4352

Photo does not depict true case colors due to flash.

Madcratebuilder. Fingers did it to me no reason you should get off cheap.

MCgunner
August 1, 2010, 09:37 AM
They're pretty guns, in the pic. My cheap brass Pietta was of surprisingly good quality, too, though I haven't measured chambers. Stuff like timing, gap, wedge fit, etc were above expectations for a cheap gun and are quite good for a shooter. The barrel it came with isn't real accurate, 4-5" 25 yard groups rested. The 3" one I won on Gunbroker shoots about 7" at the same distance.

arcticap
August 1, 2010, 09:43 AM
That's really welcome news.
I wouldn't be surprised if previous complaints from Cabela's didn't have something to do with the vast improvement, especially regarding the tight wedges and how many were returned because to them.
I think that Pietta should unofficially be named "the company that Cabela's built", along with a little help from Cabela's friends here at THR and at TFL too. ;)

mykeal
August 1, 2010, 10:43 PM
denster - thanks for the data.

Chamber/groove numbers are disappointing but that's very good news on chamber/bore alignment.

Don't worry about the pictures - pictures are nice but in the end they're more about the photographer and his/her equipment than the quality of the gun. And this is a gun forum, not a photo forum. My pictures are worse than yours by a long shot.

denster
August 1, 2010, 11:28 PM
Mykeal. I wasn't dissapointed with the chamber dimensions that's only .004 under groove diameter and pure lead bullets shouldn't have any trouble bumpng up that small an amount. I don't expect it to have much effect,if any, on accuracy.

mykeal
August 2, 2010, 08:38 AM
I think they have 7 grooves, each will have a 0.002" opening. That will certainly affect velocity and energy and to some degree accuracy. It would be simple to correct.

I guess it's just a matter of degree. Personally, I would probably be satisfied since I don't shoot pistols all that well any more, but it's nice to know the 'problem' exists so it can be corrected if one wants to take the trouble.

If that's the only problem, you've got a really nice pair of guns.

denster
August 2, 2010, 09:15 AM
Mykeal. We had this come up at the club several years ago, so with too much time on our hands we fired a bunch of shots into a 50 gal barrel full of water. With pure lead bullets some of which were as much as .008 under groove diameter. They all showed rifling striations on the groove portion of the recovered bullets indicating that the bullets bumped up to groove diameter on passing through the forcing cone into the barrel. I've still got a
.375 and a .451 reamer somewhere in my tool box but I haven't used them much since.

denster
August 4, 2010, 12:44 AM
More good news on Pietta. I was preping the revolvers to go shooting later this week. I took the nipples out to put never sieze on them and noticed they looked a bit different. The cones were nice and smooth with no tiny ridges that I'm used to with Pietta and the flash hole looked smaller. Surprise surprise! A "10 CCI cap was a perfect fit and the flash holes measured .029 not the usual .032. I think Tressos are .028 so that is pretty good. Looks like Pietta learned more than one lesson.

SteveInColorado
August 4, 2010, 01:14 AM
The cones were nice and smooth with no tiny ridges that I'm used to with Pietta and the flash hole looked smaller. Surprise surprise! A "10 CCI cap was a perfect fit

I have 2 Pietta '58 .44's, and they tell 2 very different stories. I'm assuming the blued one is older (they belonged to my father-in-law), because it seems to have all the issues. Pretty much everything on it could and should be tighter, except the trigger spring screw, which I still haven't tackled, just clean around. It couldn't be tighter under any circumstances :banghead:. Pretty much every detail of the gun is sloppy and poorly fitted.

The stainless one, however, has the nipples you describe, which take a #10 with no pinching, nice tight fit. Everything on the gun is cleanly fitted. Big difference between 2 "identical" guns.

I haven't taken any dimensions of either, but I haven't seen any noticeable difference in accuracy.

I think when these Hickock pistols go on sale again, I may just have to get one. I know he was known for carrying 2, but so was my great-great grandfather, and I only have one of his Peacemakers, happy with that.

Fingers McGee
August 4, 2010, 11:57 AM
denster, you do realize you just cost me $500 next time those go on sale.

Fingers did it to me no reason you should get off cheap.

Mea Culpa :o. If I had known that my posting about the Hickok revolvers was going to cause you poor souls to spend your hard earned ducats; I'd have kept it to myself :rolleyes:.......................... Nah :evil:

I feel bad about not having tried mine out yet. It's be so dad-blamed hot here - heat index forecast to be 105 to 115 again today. I've got two matches this weekend, and may just take it along to try out on a side match or something. I just wish Pietta would get the grip shape right.

FM

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
August 5, 2010, 09:00 PM
I don't see why ya'll have all this trouble. I have 5 Remington (Pietta) 1858 New Model Armies, and 3 Remington (Uberti) Cattleman's Carbines and they all used #10 Remington percussion caps perfectly right out of the box and all use .451 swaged round lead balls perfectly right out of the box. All of these weapons came from Cabela's....

denster
August 5, 2010, 10:37 PM
Cabela's put them back on sale today at $249 each.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
August 5, 2010, 10:42 PM
Well, I don't reckon I need any more but maybe that will help somebody who need's to get their hands on one....

denster
August 5, 2010, 10:48 PM
And that was why I posted it, because someone might be interested.

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL
August 5, 2010, 10:54 PM
Yeah, you done right in posting it to. I know I go to Cabela's site several times a year but I'm not hardly ever looking for anything that's got to do with a firearm. I seldom go to the gun section. I MIGHT maybe now and then order a few .45 caliber sabots and I don't do that much anymore. Hell, I don't make but 2 or 3 shots a year with the .45's and God know's I have plenty of them backed up here..Yeah, you done the right thing Denster....

adaptandovercome
August 9, 2010, 11:16 PM
Hi I'm nw here but their is a video about this revolver on utube!
I like it but I already have several bp revolvers

denster
August 16, 2010, 03:27 PM
I finaqlly got a chance to shoot the pair of Hickok revolvers. The target shown is the first six rounds from both guns. 15Gr of 777 and a .375RB from 15 Yards offhand. Point of aim was the center of the target. I am really pleased.
I shot a total of 30 rounds from both guns and moved the chaqrge to 20gr 777 with no change in accuracy. The only thing I need to change are the trigger pulls on both guns, while light, are too long. Typical Pietta so I will pin both full cock notches to cut the length of pull in half.

junkman_01
August 16, 2010, 03:54 PM
denster,
Could you explain and or show how to 'pin the full cock notch' to shorten a trigger pull?
I would really appreciate it!

denster
August 16, 2010, 06:05 PM
Sure. This is how I do it. I drill about a 1/16" hole about 1/8" deep about 1/16" in front of the full cock notch. I set a pin that is a drive fit into the hole and then file it down till I have the amount of engagement that I want.
Some guys do it by putting a little bead of JB weld on then dress it down when cured.
I'm going to be doing these in the next couple of days I'll take some pics when I do.

junkman_01
August 16, 2010, 06:25 PM
Thanks. I'd really like to see the pics. A picture is worth a thousand words!

madcratebuilder
August 17, 2010, 08:34 AM
More good news on Pietta. I was preping the revolvers to go shooting later this week. I took the nipples out to put never sieze on them and noticed they looked a bit different. The cones were nice and smooth with no tiny ridges that I'm used to with Pietta and the flash hole looked smaller. Surprise surprise! A "10 CCI cap was a perfect fit and the flash holes measured .029 not the usual .032. I think Tressos are .028 so that is pretty good. Looks like Pietta learned more than one lesson.
I'm glad I came back to re-read this thread, although it was expensive. I was able to use $50 in discounts.

denster
August 17, 2010, 09:06 AM
MCB. Look at the bright side. If you hadn't bought them you would likely have miss spent the money on non essentials like food and utilities.

BCRider
August 18, 2010, 02:37 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of this pinning mod for the trigger. My two recently gotten 1860's have rather long and creeping trigger pulls that I'd like to fix.

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