Tula primers????


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gab909
August 4, 2010, 12:50 AM
Did a search here and it didn't turn up much. Has anyone used the Tula Primer in Large Pistol? I see that it is Boxer and was looking at placing an order. I would like to get a couple cases to stock up on, since I will start reloading for the new Sig this weekend.

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Sport45
August 4, 2010, 03:56 AM
I'm interested in knowing this too. I saw them online at Graf's and the price is reasonable.

Dynamite Rabbit
August 4, 2010, 09:44 AM
Powder Valley also has them. They say they're the same primer as Wolf.

Bula
August 4, 2010, 01:55 PM
I've read they're produced in the same factories as Wolf, just packaged differently. I've read good things about Wolf, although some say they're a little tight fitting in some brass.

Mikee Loxxer
August 4, 2010, 02:08 PM
If they are the same as Wolf primers I'd pass. I bought a bunch of large rifle primers and was really disappointed in their inability to reliably ignite a propellant charge.

Sin City Shootist
August 4, 2010, 02:15 PM
I've gone through about 3000 wolf primers, and the only problem I had with them was when my Lee press trashed them. Other then that, they go bang everytime.

ljnowell
August 4, 2010, 02:52 PM
Hmm, lets see, wolf primers? Got a few thousand SPP that have around a 10% failure rate, got burned on those. None of them fit worth a crap in any pistol round I reload, all are hard as hell to seat. I dont think I would buy them at 18 dollars a K, to be honest, they can keep them.

floydster
August 4, 2010, 04:21 PM
Humm, I have used over 7,000 Wolf primers in the last year, SPP and LPP and have never had a failure, altho the LPP are a little harder to seat then others, other then that, I think they are just fine.
Floydster

ljnowell
August 4, 2010, 07:16 PM
Humm, I have used over 7,000 Wolf primers in the last year, SPP and LPP and have never had a failure, altho the LPP are a little harder to seat then others, other then that, I think they are just fine.
Floydster

If you do a little searchin on the internet floyd, you will find that they have had a bad run of SPP. I ended up with some of them. It was pretty much the same with everyone that had them, around a 10% failure rate. Unfortunately after some people took advantage of them, they stopped offering to replace or make right on them. They cut it off about a week before I found out about it.

For all I know they may have all that fixed, and I am sure they do, but I wont spend my money on them again. With something like ammo, I wont take that chance again. I can pay another 1/2 a cent apiece to get name brand ones.

jcwit
August 4, 2010, 07:40 PM
If I quit buying anything that I've had a defective unit of, I'd sure save alot of money. Course I'd probably starve to death on the process.

EddieNFL
August 4, 2010, 08:12 PM
Haven't tried SPPs, but LPPs and SRPs have worked as well or better than R-P, W-W, CCI and Fed (including match grade) for the past few years. My only misfire in the past (can't remember) years was a CCI BR2.

ljnowell
August 4, 2010, 08:18 PM
If I quit buying anything that I've had a defective unit of, I'd sure save alot of money. Course I'd probably starve to death on the process.
I assume thats criticism of my decision. Thats fine, your choice doesnt have to be the same as mine, thats why its a choice. I wouldnt quit buying everything that I have a defective unit of, because I do like to eat and enjoy the qualities of life, in fact, I find the comparison ridiculous.

I have the luxury of not using them, as I can find other primers, so I will. I also do not buy premium self-defense ammo. I load it all. A failure rate of 10% is not good enough for that purpose, so I will no longer buy them. I dont want to deal with keeping reliable and non-reliable primers seperate, they need to be all reliable.

jcwit
August 4, 2010, 08:48 PM
Not a criticism at all, just a fact. Bought a very defective new Camaro years ago, replaced it with another GM product after 6 months. This is just one example, in 67 years most everything I ever bought on a continuing basis I've had defective ones at one time or another. You correct you have the right (luxury) "well maybe", of not using them, no problem, go for it.

Comparison ridiculous? Well thats your opinion.


I really guess what I was trying to point out was just because a company has a defective run, and we know they corrected the problem, then why not purchase, but as you point out that is your choice.

floydster
August 4, 2010, 08:55 PM
All I can say is my experience with Wolf primers has been ok, no problems, so I will continue to use them, it's like anything else, good or bad.
I shoot a fair amount and if I can save a few bucks with no problemos----I mean what can I say.:)

Floydster

zxcvbob
August 4, 2010, 09:00 PM
I bought 30000 Wolf primers a couple of years ago. I haven't had a single bad one yet out of the 1500 or so that I've used. But these are the old brass-colored and funny-copper-colored ones.

I've heard bad things about the new nickel Wolf primers. I would still be willing to try them, maybe the people having trouble really just have hammer springs that are too light -- but I wouldn't place a huge order right off the bat.

ljnowell
August 4, 2010, 11:42 PM
Not a criticism at all, just a fact. Bought a very defective new Camaro years ago, replaced it with another GM product after 6 months. This is just one example, in 67 years most everything I ever bought on a continuing basis I've had defective ones at one time or another. You correct you have the right (luxury) "well maybe", of not using them, no problem, go for it.

Comparison ridiculous? Well thats your opinion.


I really guess what I was trying to point out was just because a company has a defective run, and we know they corrected the problem, then why not purchase, but as you point out that is your choice.
I understand entirely what you are saying and I am sorry if I came across as confrontational. Its funny that you mention that car thing. I have owned 5 camaros in the last 15 years, four at once, and two now. I wont, however, ever buy another front wheel drive v6 GM car. Too many intake gasket problems, intakes themselves, etc. I've been a mechanic since the middle 90s, and have just seen too many problems with them to put myself in one. Just like the wolf primers. I wouldnt say that I would never buy them, if its all I can get, well, I will be using it. As long as I have a way to use something else, I will.

I've heard bad things about the new nickel Wolf primers. I would still be willing to try them, maybe the people having trouble really just have hammer springs that are too light -- but I wouldn't place a huge order right off the bat.
Its alot more than that, Wolf actually recalled some and replaced them until they started losing too much money on them, people were taking advantage of it. It was definately an issue.

Dodge DeBoulet
August 5, 2010, 11:26 AM
Its alot more than that, Wolf actually recalled some and replaced them until they started losing too much money on them, people were taking advantage of it. It was definately an issue.
I don't believe they replaced any, but they did offer a refund on the unused portion and allowed the purchaser to keep them. I think that's what some folks may have taken advantage of, but I'm more of the opinion that the problem with their SPPs was more widespread than anticipated and they needed to cut their losses.

zxcvbob
August 5, 2010, 12:14 PM
Has anyone had problems with the new Wolf SR primers? (are they still that funky copper color?) They (the old copper ones) work great in .357 Magnum and in 9mm; of course you'll need to work-up your load data again if it's anywhere close to max.

Sport45
August 5, 2010, 12:18 PM
I thought this thread was about Tula primers. Has anyone tried them?

Graf's shows Tula Berdan primers too, but not in stock and they don't say what diameter they are...

ljnowell
August 5, 2010, 12:21 PM
I thought this thread was about Tula primers. Has anyone tried them?

Graf's shows Tula Berdan primers too, but not in stock and they don't say what diameter they are...


Tula=Wolf

Dynamite Rabbit
August 5, 2010, 12:39 PM
Tula's website shows the Berdan primers at 6mm diameter.

http://tulammousa.com/products/non-corrosive-berdan-primers/non-corrosive-berdan-primers/

Sin City Shootist
August 5, 2010, 01:13 PM
I found this on the net...
Tula Ammo Information

Tula Cartridge Works ammo company was started in 1880 and is currently a leading ammo manufacturing facility in Russia. Furthermore, Tula Ammo is one of the largest ammo suppliers for its home country of Russia and even for many markets abroad.
Tula Ammo is marketed under the Wolf trademark and represents the pillars that are unique to the Wolf brand. Strict quality control, a wide array of products, cutting edge patent technology, and excellent performance are guaranteed when using Tula Ammunition. The Tula name has gained a following worldwide for being a rugged, reliable, and economic product.
Where Tula Ammo Is Manufactured

Tula Ammo is manufactured in the same Tula factory that makes Wolf ammo which is located in Russia.

ds/ks
August 5, 2010, 04:01 PM
I hope they are good, I unpacked 3k Tula LLP's I got from Powder Valley, Yesterday. I prefer CCI and Win. haven't seen any round here in over a year. Local store had Rem. primers for 49.95 per k. I'll try to get some of these Russian primers loaded up soon and give an opinion.

floydster
August 5, 2010, 05:09 PM
I am going to place a large order from Powder Valley as soon as they get Tula SPP in stock.
I am checking every day:)

Floydster

Sport45
August 5, 2010, 11:20 PM
Tula=Wolf

Them's fightin' words. You might as well say HP-38=W231 or H110=W296. :)

You know it ain't so just because the distributor says it is... :uhoh:

A and O
August 6, 2010, 02:07 AM
I'll be looking forward to the Berdan 7.62x39 Primers. If/when they come available from Tula.

luis7
August 6, 2010, 02:34 AM
Tula, wolf and Murom are manufactured by same company in Russia. The company is called Murom. In my opinion these primers are as good as can be the cci, etc.
I have never a problem and the price is better than others.
Greetings from Spain.

faire bien de...!
August 6, 2010, 06:00 AM
What happened to buy American...? for love of God and Country I shall pay more to support our "way of life"! ... hah.. sell outs!

frankge
August 8, 2010, 11:18 AM
i buy american but is it ok for american companies to stick it to us? So far alliant is the only one that seems loyal to us - check out shotgun world where they are the only ones that interact with thier customers.

atomd
August 8, 2010, 08:50 PM
I've shot a bunch of that Tula ammo (got it really cheap) and it ran fine. If it isn't Wolf, I can't tell the difference because the quality and materials seem the same. I've also shot through a bunch of Wolf primers with no problems. I bought most of that stuff when the supply was really low. When no one had any primers at all around here, I walked into a shop while they were opening their deliveries (really lucky at the time) so I took what I could get. When availability became good again I switched back to CCI. The difference in price is pretty much non-existent. I actually paid less for the CCI than I did for the Wolf because of the timing. I have nothing against the Wolf stuff though because it ran just fine. I actually still have some Wolf primers kicking around and I'll use them up when I get to em.

Visionz45
August 8, 2010, 09:35 PM
Wow, berdan primers. Now I can actually load that FN brass Ive got. These are probably Murom Apparatus production primers.
http://www.flame.murom.ru/en/default.htm

Hondo 60
August 8, 2010, 10:51 PM
Tula SUCKS! My AR15 HATES Tula ammo with a passion.
I can shoot all day long without problems using any ammo in brass cases.

But I tried Tula cuz it was $3.49 a box. What a waste of money.
I usually get 3-4 FTEs with every 20 round magazine.

I wouldn't cross the street to get free Tula anything!
If it works for you - you can have it.

ArtP
August 8, 2010, 10:51 PM
I have used about 1000 wolfs in LR, LRM & LP. In 1000 I had one failure to fire in the large pistol. When comparing the large rifle wolf's to Remington, I get the same accuracy but have to use about 1% more propellant with the Remington's to achieve the same results.

I too have found the wolfs fit tighter, but that fit hasn't caused a problem. Also, the wolfs have a thicker cup over the remington's.

atomd
August 9, 2010, 02:46 PM
Tula SUCKS! My AR15 HATES Tula ammo with a passion.
I can shoot all day long without problems using any ammo in brass cases.

But I tried Tula cuz it was $3.49 a box. What a waste of money.
I usually get 3-4 FTEs with every 20 round magazine.

That's really your gun being picky, not the ammo (unless you got a bad run of out of spec ammo or something). That ammo runs fine in the multiple ARs I've shot it through and I have a friend who bought stacks of it when it was $3.49/20 and it runs in all of his too. It's not great ammo but it goes bang every time for me. Anyone who has this stuff and hates it, feel free to send it all to me! :D My AR seems to eat anything and everything. I'll admit that for store bought stuff it's still pretty economical to buy the PMC brass @ ~$6/20 or so which is usually what I do. That PMC isn't bad stuff at all for the money though.

I actually have seen more problems with that crappy Remington UMC (obvious manufacturing defects that I would never fire through any gun) than I've had in Tula. Yikes!

Cfish
August 14, 2010, 07:51 PM
Powder Valley has Tula Berdan primers in stock at $23/K.

bds
September 5, 2010, 06:33 AM
What happened to buy American...? for love of God and Country I shall pay more to support our "way of life"! ... hah.. sell outs!
Whenever possible, I try to support "Made In USA" products. Believe me, I would have paid a lot more to buy my preferred Winchester primers if they were available last year. Now that Winchester primers are available again, it's happy days again and I am stocked back up. :D

Ok, back to OP. With my latest group order from Powder Valley, we added some TulAmmo LP primer to try out (some in the group were desperately low on LP primer and didn't wanted to spend more on separate order with HazMat/S&H charges from another vendor). On the box, it's marked "Non-Corrosive" and "Made in Russia" - same as Wolf. The color of bright brass cup is same as Wolf and even the primer compound color is the same (peach color).

The comparison range test between Wolf and TulAmmo LP primers resulted in same shot groups, felt recoil and spent case ejection. As far as I can tell, they are the same exact primers. There was no primer failure to ignite. As to Wolf LP, I have not had a single failure to date after 6000+ rounds (fortunately from what I read, I am glad I did not buy any Wolf SP primers last year :rolleyes:).

EddieNFL
September 5, 2010, 09:14 AM
What happened to buy American...? for love of God and Country I shall pay more to support our "way of life"! ... hah.. sell outs!
That's why I drive a made in America Toyota versus the competitors made in Mexico or Canada.

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