CLP Gun Cleaning Products


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dak0ta
August 5, 2010, 02:39 AM
Hi,

I've been using G96 gun treatment for 3 years now and it has been great! It prevents rust and lubricates quite well. However, I found that it doesn't really clean the bore as nicely as using a bore solvent. So I started using Hoppes 9 solvent for the bore and it's come along nicely. My can of G96 is running out and I'm wondering if I should try a new brand or stick with G96.

Brands that I am interested in are Breakfree CLP and Ballistol.

Should I stick with G96 or test out the rest?

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Oro
August 5, 2010, 03:44 AM
The drill I like is cleaning parts with Breakfree CLP aerosol. For lubing/protection, I like M Pro 7 liquid.

For bores it is hard to beat Hoppes #9 and that is what I use in that application.

Werewolf
August 5, 2010, 01:16 PM
The drill I like is cleaning parts with Breakfree CLP aerosol. For lubing/protection, I like M Pro 7 liquid.

For bores it is hard to beat Hoppes #9 and that is what I use in that application.

I used to think that about Hoppes. Not so much anymore.

Hoppes is easy to beat. Off the top of my head I can say that both the M Pro 7 you mention and BF CLP is better. Butch's Bore Shine is way better.

Hoppes has been around a very long time. Lots of gun guys use it because their daddies and grand daddies used it. They've never considered that other products that are available today might be better. IMO #9 is just barely adequate.

Each to his own of course.

HGUNHNTR
August 5, 2010, 01:20 PM
CLP's only for cleaning, a proper lube for lubrication (slip ewl has been awesome), and sweets 7.62, or Butch's Bore shine for copper and lead removal.

TheCol.U.S.M.C.
August 5, 2010, 01:53 PM
CLP works great for me I would try something else but I have two gallons of the stuff bought it real real cheap $20 a gallon I think. I think even as much as I shoot I'm sure it's a lifetime supply

Manco
August 5, 2010, 03:01 PM
I can't really compare anything to G96 CLP because I've never tried it, but it does meet the same MIL-PRF standard as Break-Free CLP, for what it's worth (not a particularly challenging performance standard in today's world). That doesn't mean that they're the same, of course, but they were designed with the same or similar specs in mind, so it's interesting that Break-Free is currently the runaway winner in the poll. Maybe it is a lot better at cleaning, but only those who have tried both can say with any conviction. I haven't used either in my guns, so that's all I have to say about that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ_yQ02xwsM).

Currently I use Weapon Shield CLP to clean, lube certain moving parts (rarely and sparely), and protect the bore. I use Weapon Shield Grease to lube the slide (takes extremely little for that) and protect against corrosion (smear on, wipe off--seems to protect as well as Eezox but without all the nasty chemicals and their odors). The grease is optional and is a personal preference for grease over oil--WS CLP also lubricates extremely well, and is better than average at corrosion protection (albeit not as good as the grease in this regard). WS CLP may not be the best general cleaner, being a somewhat heavy lubricating oil rather than a solvent, but after you use it for a while, the gun seems to become easier to clean. I haven't used a strong solvent in months, and hundreds of rounds (maybe more than a thousand) later, my defensive pistol's bore is still shiny with no scrubbing and not many patches needed. Whenever there has been some bad metal fouling (seems to depend on the ammo), I've used Bore Tech Eliminator, which does a pretty thorough job of breaking the gunk down and getting everything squeaky clean with minimal hassle. By the way, all of these products are non-toxic and safe to use indoors without anybody screaming at you because of the smell.

Regarding Ballistol, the last entry in your poll, it's actually pretty good at cleaning even the heavy stuff, but it might take some time to start working, as well as a little effort. As a general everyday cleaner, it works fine in my limited experience, and several people have compared it favorably against both Hoppes No. 9 and Break-Free CLP in this regard. As a lube it seems to do the job well enough (I've used it on some squeaky hinges with great success), and it will also protect against corrosion. I haven't used it much, mostly experimentation, but plenty of people swear by it once they've tried it, and I think it's good enough to use exclusively (as is Weapon Shield CLP). It's also non-toxic, being composed of pharmaceutical-grade white mineral oil, oleic acid (a base component of olive oil and a number of other plant-based oils), several different types of alcohol, and a few natural essential oils.

Another product that may interest you if you prefer strong cleaning properties in a CLP is Gunzilla. I've only played around with it a little bit thus far, but it seems to have solvent properties and really cuts through crud. I'm always wary of products that have an unknown composition, but it seems to be a vegetable oil fortified with cleaning and dry lubrication additives, and is supposed to be non-toxic. If you believe the testimonials, it's apparently had a good deal of success on the battlefield (Weapon Shield CLP as well), being greatly preferred over the G96 or Break-Free CLPs. It's thin and kind of makes everything feel greasy even when it's mostly dry, which I guess helps under very dirty conditions (you can also wipe Weapon Shield CLP off, and it still seems to keep lubricating for a while).

By the way, you could probably get free samples of Weapon Shield and Gunzilla if you write to their owners/inventors:

http://www.steelshieldtech.com/mainpage/contact-information-.html
http://www.topduckproducts.com/index.php?main_page=contact_us

Hatterasguy
August 5, 2010, 03:06 PM
I use a combination of solvents and lubes to clean my guns. But CLP Breakfree is my favorite oil, I use it on everything. I also like their CLP foaming bore cleaner.

On my bores I use a combo of CLP foaming bore cleaner and Hoppes #9.

For cleaning I use Mil-Comm MC25 because its safe on just about every finish, and not highly toxic.

For lube I either use MC25 grease, CLP Breakfree, or automatenfett, depending on the application.

killchain
August 5, 2010, 04:17 PM
CLP on everything.

Maybe once a year I'll use Hoppes #9 on a barrel.

LeLynn
August 5, 2010, 04:18 PM
I use BF CLP to clean the gun and to protect the metal from rusting as well as lube things like the trigger assy. I use Hoppes #9 and a bronze brush to clean the bore followed by dry patches. Once the patches come out clean (Clean enough, I'm to anal about it being spotless) I use a patch wet with CLP followed by a dry patch to remove any excess. I use Tetra gun grease on the slide. There are a million ways to clean a gun correctly as well as a million products that will do the job. I use these products because that is what I like best, for a number or reasons, but that is not to say that these products are the only "Right" way to clean a gun. I believe that in the end, this will be the general consensus of the group when this question is asked here, or elsewhere.

mbopp
August 5, 2010, 04:33 PM
The new Hoppes is not the same as your dad's Hoppes.
I use Ed's Red for bores and general cleaning, and CLP for lubing.

LeLynn
August 5, 2010, 04:48 PM
mbopp - Not doubting you are right (Besides my dad never had any guns lol) but can you tell me what is so differant between the stuff we can buy today and the stuff "My dad" used? When did they change the formulation? Is the new stuff inferior to the older stuff? Thanks for any info.

dak0ta
August 6, 2010, 09:44 PM
Can anybody attest to the long term storage capabilities of Ballistol?

HOWARD J
August 6, 2010, 10:33 PM
I use Hoppes 9 to clean
Break-Free Sports to lube
Birchwood Casey Barricade rust prevent in bore & light coat on all metal.
I have had guns in safe at least 2 years--NO RUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Miked7762
August 7, 2010, 03:36 AM
When I bought a handgun around 4 years ago the salesman convinced me to try G96. It was supposed to be superior to Break-Free in every single aspect, or at least they told me so. I hate to denigrate any product, but G96 Gun Treatment did not even come close to living up to its billing and was one of the more expensive CLP type products I've ever bought. G96 makes several claims. Some of them the product did meet, others it did not at all:

"Cleans Your Gun: Contains solvents which will completely remove all traces of rust, gun powder, leading, and corrosion in seconds."

To put it mildly, it did not do anything about leading and corrosion, not to mention it didn't remove rust. It had no more effect on rust than the rag I used would have had by itself. It did work well as a solvent for the usual powder and carbon fouling, however.

"Lubricates Your Gun: Contains lubricants which will not freeze, oxidize, or evaporate (the result of missile research). Leaves no gummy residue. Keeps firing pin and all moving parts working as low as -50F below zero; insures perfect firing every time."

It does all of the things listed in the paragraph above, but you'll notice that adequate lubrication isn't among them. Mainly because G96 doesn't do it. I've noticed more wear while using G96 as an oil than with anything else.

That's the product's largest shortcoming, in my opinion, and it's a fatal one.

"Protects Your Gun: Leaves invisible magnetic film over all metal parts which protects your gun against rust under all weather conditions, even salt water spray. Protects frequently handled guns against "fingerprint" damage."

This is just my opinion, but anything which "leaves invisible magnetic film over all metal parts" is likely snake oil. That isn't to say I think G96 is useless for preventing rust, in fact I've found it to work well for that purpose. But it doesn't work any better than other products which do not have the magical magnetic film.

"It just works better!"

Better than what? Compared to its direct competition, Break-Free CLP, G96 is not very good. It's also more expensive.

I'm sorry to the G96 company, but there isn't anything G96 Gun Treatment can do that Break-Free CLP does not do better. And with the Break-Free product being much less expensive, there is no question to which product I will continue to buy.

In the category of smell and fumes, however, I will give G96 the nod without hesitation. It smells exactly like eggnog!

Sport45
August 7, 2010, 05:50 AM
I don't use any of those to clean. My cleaning solvents are Ed's Red (go-to cleaner), followed by Shooter's Choice or Montana Extreme if needed for copper fouling.

I find Breakfree CLP to be a very good lubricant, but much too expensive and messy to use as a cleaner.

jimmyraythomason
August 7, 2010, 07:44 AM
They've never considered that other products that are available today might be better. Hoppes #9 has performed perfectly for me for just over 40 years. I see no need for anything "better".

LeLynn
August 7, 2010, 11:09 AM
jimmyraythomason - There was mention from a fellow member that the Hoppes#9 you use today is differant fromt he stuff you used to get years ago. Have you noticed any differance in the formulation? Does it work as well today as it did years ago? Thanks for your input.

jimmyraythomason
August 7, 2010, 12:32 PM
Have you noticed any differance in the formulation? Does it work as well today as it did years ago? I have never paid any attention to it's formulation. It works and smells the same today as it ever has(at least since I bought my first bottle in 1968). I used it yesterday as a matter of fact. I am very happy with the results I get so I don't spend time looking for replacements for what is already doing the job. Is it the best? Don't know, cant say, dont care. I will use brake cleaner on really tough junk. and hot soapy water for complete breakdown cleanings but for routine,after range time, cleaning it's Hoppes#9.

Doug b
August 7, 2010, 02:40 PM
Might have been referring to Hoppes Elite cleaner.This stuff is an outstanding metal cleaner.

dak0ta
August 7, 2010, 04:29 PM
So today I bought some Hoppe's #9 solvent and an older can of Ballistol but still new. It's an older can but it said Universal Oil. There was a modern can with newer labelling but was a small aerosol can and they wanted $12 for it. My 500 ml can of Ballistol liquid universal oil cost the same price. I was torn because I wasn't sure if they were the same product, but they advertised the same thing, except the newer labelling says for Firearms as well. But my old can says Rust preventative, Gun Cleaner, and Lubricant. I feel like they are the same product just older packaging.

Here are some pics if you guys can help me out if I got the right can of Ballistol. Otherwise I'll go return it.

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/IMG_2871.jpg
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/knightofcydonia87/IMG_2873.jpg

WNC Seabee
August 7, 2010, 05:30 PM
Maybe I'm lazy and need to pay more attention, but I have never really noticed much difference in any of the products.

#9, BreakFree, ProShot, etc, etc, etc....all do the job for me just fine. In my mind they're all pretty much interchangeable. Oil is oil, grease is grease....

THe Dove
August 7, 2010, 05:42 PM
LeLynn

I see you are questioning everyone else on their opinion..... Why don't you tell us your operation? Everyone obviously has their own SOP's but I wanna know your 1st.

The Dove

Bentonville
August 7, 2010, 06:40 PM
Just for kicks why not give Weapon Shield a try. I like it a lot for a CLP.

D Rock
August 7, 2010, 07:06 PM
+1 for Weapon Shield. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=830592

I took a break from using it on my M&P for about a month (shoot about 200 to 300 rounds a month) and went back to Breakfree because I can get it locally. Used Weapon Shield after my final Breakfree cleaning and found the barrel to still have quite a buildup. Than sold me on Weapon Shield.

Dave

wep45
August 7, 2010, 07:16 PM
i received a free sample of "weapon shield" a couple of years ago and since then, it is the only cleaning product i need to use on my firearms.

cleans, lubes and protects in one application.

Manco
August 8, 2010, 11:29 AM
So today I bought some Hoppe's #9 solvent and an older can of Ballistol but still new. It's an older can but it said Universal Oil. There was a modern can with newer labelling but was a small aerosol can and they wanted $12 for it. My 500 ml can of Ballistol liquid universal oil cost the same price. I was torn because I wasn't sure if they were the same product, but they advertised the same thing, except the newer labelling says for Firearms as well. But my old can says Rust preventative, Gun Cleaner, and Lubricant. I feel like they are the same product just older packaging.

These days there are a number of products (mostly for industrial use) under the Ballistol name, and because this one says "USTA" (whatever that means) but still says that it's for cleaning guns, I bet that it's ALMOST the same stuff as original Ballistol, but with some ingredients added, subtracted, or substituted. I suspect that it will work fine, but it's not 100% the same as the Sportman's Oil or Universal Oil (and known by some other names as well), which is the original formulation.

Here is the product page for USTA:

http://www.ballistol.de/english/index.php?page=01&sub=04&sub2=31

dak0ta
August 8, 2010, 02:55 PM
I read the MSDS for the USTA and it doesn't seem as non-toxic as the Sportman's Oil becuase it says that long term contact with skin can cause dermatitis and irritation. Hence, some ingredients are definitely different in the product because the Sportman's Oil can be applied to wounds. Plus it also states that USTA isn't 100% biodegradable like Sportman's oil.

Should I just return it and get BreakFree CLP or something for cheaper? Ballistol ain't that cheap.

LeLynn
August 8, 2010, 08:26 PM
THe Dove, I'm not exactly sure what it is that your asking. I don't know what you mean by SOP (Forgive me for being new at this I guess) If your asking for my own personal preferance in cleaning my firearms, I posted it earlier (Post #9). I did not question anyone in order to prove them wrong or try to stir up any dust. I am simply new to firearms myself and learned the procedure from a good buddes father. He was injured in a motorcycle accident about 15 years or so ago and is now in a wheel chair. What I'm saying is that he has not purchased any cleaning supplies in at least 15 years. Perhaps the Hoppes #9 he used was better then the stuff I use today. However he recommended I use Hoppes, assuming that it would be the same stuff. Once again, I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else, but the tone of your message seems like one of an person upset with the fact I am trying to get an answer and asking 2 differant people to get it. I can not simply go out to th store and buy a 20 year old bottle of #9 to compair it to my own bottle, all I can do at this point is ask the more knowledgable people here, people who have been around this type of thing for a long time.

Deltaboy
August 8, 2010, 11:41 PM
Ballistol is for Black powder.
Clp for everything else
I use JB Bore Cleaner for heavy duty cleaning.

MYREDTAIL
August 9, 2010, 12:47 AM
LELYNN nothing it's all a gimick & selling point my product is better than theirs YADA YADA YADA, I start using EEZOX & never looked back

Manco
August 9, 2010, 03:24 AM
I read the MSDS for the USTA and it doesn't seem as non-toxic as the Sportman's Oil becuase it says that long term contact with skin can cause dermatitis and irritation. Hence, some ingredients are definitely different in the product because the Sportman's Oil can be applied to wounds. Plus it also states that USTA isn't 100% biodegradable like Sportman's oil.

Should I just return it and get BreakFree CLP or something for cheaper? Ballistol ain't that cheap.

Only you can decide whether things like low toxicity are worth the additional cost. I'd have trouble helping you decide anyway because I can get Ballistol Sportsman's Oil for half the price of Break-Free CLP, so obviously we're in very different markets.

Jimmy10mm
August 13, 2010, 06:38 PM
I just bought a bottle of BF CLP and I'm going to give it a try in a few minutes. I'll still clean the bore with Hoppes 9 since I've used it for forty years with satisfaction. Heck of it is I really do love the aroma too. :)

DasFriek
August 13, 2010, 10:06 PM
Oro- The drill I like is cleaning parts with Breakfree CLP aerosol. For lubing/protection, I like M Pro 7 liquid.
For bores it is hard to beat Hoppes #9 and that is what I use in that application.

This is almost my exact routine also, Except i add white lithium grease to rails and barrel lugs.

Ill start by wiping the whole gun down with paper towels to remove old oil and grease and dirt. Then clean with everything with CLP and wipe that off. Then the bore gets Hoppes 9 and i wipe that dry. Then everything gets a layer of M Pro 7 internally and external and left there and i reassemble the gun and wipe the M Pro off the external parts.
If a gun See's little shooting it will get a thin layer of M Pro down the bore.
If i shoot that gun alot it gets a thin layer of CLP down the bore.
Slide rails and barrel lugs get a thin layer of lithium grease, But only in spots where dirt wont collect in it. Same goes for Bolt action bolts and rails.

Ragnar Danneskjold
August 13, 2010, 11:02 PM
Personally I think CLP is a great field-expedient all purpose cleaner/lubricant. I keep a small bottle in my vest and one of those single use ampules inside my AR. But for home cleaning, I don't like to use "all in one" since there are generally single purpose cleaners and lubes that are better at the one task they were designed for. I generally use Hoppes for cleaning parts, Hoppes copper solvent for the barrel or a foaming cleaner, and FP10 for lubrication. And RemOil for external wipedowns.

But like I said, if I'm in the field, I'll use Break Free CLP for everything.

bluesky11
June 16, 2011, 08:34 PM
I have owened glock pistols for years and have tried many cleaners ,although glocks very seldom need any lube, the barrel and bore need cleaning and solvent, i have used CLP, no. 9, both very good, but Ballistol ,seems to work the best, the more you use it the better , i spray it in the barrel and coat the outside of the barrel ,let is soak for a few minutes then wipe clean ,then mop the inside with a clean patch.i have even seen improvment in the action. Ballistol was invented in germany for the military in world war 2 . A very good product still !. It even works on wood stocks also.

Sky
June 16, 2011, 09:18 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=545607

is a test with products. http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

Breakfree CLP at Walmart is hard to beat for storage and general shooting and plinking. I have used it for several years as have several of my friends. I have been told some of the guys who go through 1500 rounds a day can start having problems with the CLP breaking down and gumming....I have never seen that myself and have only heard stories and I probably do not have 1000 rounds of 223 to my name so I don't worry about it. Pistols, ARs, and SKS shot with corrosive ammo always get a shot of CLP after cleaning and as a rust preventive; never had a problem.

It really is better to see actual test on products because what works for someone in Arizona might not work the same for someone in South Florida. Every test I have seen Breakfree comes out within the top tier of lubes tested and certainly beat most for the price.

Bentonville
June 17, 2011, 04:18 PM
weaponshield for me

orionengnr
June 17, 2011, 09:14 PM
Why do first time posters dredge up dead threads for their first post (Post #35)?
Happens so frequently it's almost cliche...

jimmyraythomason
June 17, 2011, 10:33 PM
dredge up dead threads If the thread is "dead" it should be closed,if not it is fair game. Welcome to THR,bluesky11.

Apocalypse-Now
June 17, 2011, 10:52 PM
i use weaponshield grease for lube with breakfree clp for cleaning. once i run out of breakfree clp, i'll probably just get the weaponshield clp for cleaning too.

armsmaster270
June 18, 2011, 05:57 AM
Breakfree CLP is used by the army for there weapons per TM9-1005-319-10 CLP means Cleans, Lubricates & Preserves

ADVICE ON THE USE OF CLP
CLP - Cleaner, Lubricant and Preservative - does three things at once: ONE - It contains solvants to dissolve firing residue and carbon. TWO - It lays down a layer of Teflon as it dries to provide lubrication. THREE - It prevents rust from forming.
Use CLP as follows: a. Always shake bottle well before use. b. Place a few drops on a patch or rag. c. Clean your rifle with these patches and rags until they come out clean. d. Take a clean patch or rag and apply a fresh, light coat.
NOTE
Don’t “dry clean” your rifle. DO NOT use hot water or other solvents or you will wash away the Teflon lubricant that has been building up as a result of your using CLP.

bluesky11
June 18, 2011, 09:18 AM
this gentleman has many good videos on you tube. this one about cleaning and lubing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZf4mUM10Vc

wep45
October 13, 2011, 10:52 PM
i use weapon shield exclusively on all my S&W revolvers

HankB
October 13, 2011, 11:54 PM
I use Break-Free CLP as a lubricant, it's ineffective as a cleaner.

Cheap brake cleaner in a spray can works as well as any of the aerosol products, for a fraction of the cost. Good for removing soot and old, dirty lubes.

For metal fouling . . . Hoppe's #9 today is different than the "old" forumula, which included nitro benzene. It still works well, but Hoppe's BR9 works a bit better at cleaning a barrel . . . and Hoppe's is still one of the moderately effective cleaners that doesn't carry a warning against being left in the bore too long. (Accubore, Shooter's Choice, and Butch's Bore Shine don't seem to work any better. Haven't made up my mind on Blue Wonder.)

Haven't tried Ed's Red yet, but I should . . . a little casual research suggests that the chemicals in most bore cleaners are CHEAP in industrial quantities, at least, compared to the price charged; there's a huge markup there. Ed's Red has the potential to save some money, but how well it will work on metal fouling remains to be seen.

ballistol
October 14, 2011, 12:05 AM
I will send you a can of Ballistol if you are interested.

ballistol
October 14, 2011, 12:10 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Ballistol was invented in the year 1904.

RatherNotSay
October 14, 2011, 12:17 AM
For average everyday cleaning I use break free clp or gunslick gun flush. Evaporates fast and is a great degreaser. If I've shot a lot and let it sit for a while I like to use Mpro-7 gun cleaner. It's a bit expensive but it's the best I've seen so far with carbon build up. It even removes most fouling and would recommend it for such. For copper fouling I use montana xtreme copper killer. It's cheap and works well. Every now and then I'll use hoppes #9 just cause I miss the smell.

If I shoot surplus ammo through my ak I like to use boiling water followed by wd-40 to remove the corrosive salts. Then I use the normal cleaning products. I've used foaming products but wasn't impressed with them. I've used butches bore shine with good success too.

x_wrench
October 14, 2011, 01:07 PM
i have been told several times that you need to change up your cleaning solvent occasionally, no matter what you use. the reasoning behind that is that every solvent, has some variation to it from every other one. and whatever you use, something else will likely have an ingredient that will dissolve or loosen whatever you normally use leaves behind. i have tried this for myself several times, and found it to be true. i currently have around a dozen different products on the shelf to clean my guns with. and i try to rotate the guns thru different solvents occasionally just to keep any major accumulations at bay. i do not think there is any one solvent that will remove every type of fouling from the bore. most do a very good job at removing most of the fouling. but to get every spec of fouling from any gun every time would be a ridiculous task. and one that would provide no real world difference in the way the gun shoots.

JohnBT
October 14, 2011, 02:52 PM
Nitrobenzene was removed from the Hoppes #9 formulation in the 1980s after California declared nitrobenzene to be cancer causing.

Good old #9 ain't Nitro no mo.

Doxiedad
October 14, 2011, 03:12 PM
Slip2000 ewl for me

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