coyote choices?


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butcherboy
August 5, 2010, 09:48 PM
i am a farmer and have a coyote problem. here are my choice for guns based on what i have.

marlin 336 30/30
howa 1500 .243

(i already know these are last resort)
marlin 100g 22.lr
ruger 10/22

winchester 1300 20ga
Remington 870 12ga

ruger p95 9mm
ruger single six 22/22wmr.

any help on what to use or experience with these calibers/guns would be greatly appreciated. thanks

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TonyAngel
August 5, 2010, 10:06 PM
I've only hunted varmints a couple of times, so not real swift on the issue, but at what ranges are we talking? A good ole 30/30 has served many well and is a might handy rifle.

Or were you talking for up close situations?

sxechainsaw
August 5, 2010, 10:10 PM
You really don't need that high of a caliber for a coyote. I take them out with a .223 with ease.

nelsonal
August 5, 2010, 10:16 PM
That .243 is a pretty nice coyote gun. On the big end of usual varmint calibers but unless you were planning to sell the hides that isn't going to matter too much.

something with a varmint bullet, like these (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=766699), would be excellent.
You don't need to use these, but look for a .243 cartridge (or bullet if you're reloading) that is in the 60-70 gr range, most of those are varmint bullets.

The lighter bullet will shoot flatter and thus the range will likely be longer than with deer bullets so be extra cautious about what's behind Willie.

ECVMatt
August 5, 2010, 10:36 PM
I would go with the .243 and 85 grain bullets. This will hammer all coyotes at just about all ranges. While doing a very small bit of cattle ranching in TX we always had the trusty .243 handy in the truck. It always worked great. We also used .223 and .22-250. The lighter bullets will work great, but they were very hard to find out near us. Everybody had the 85's and they hammered well.

Good luck,

Matt

viking499
August 5, 2010, 10:39 PM
Mine is a Winny 243 With Federal 55 grain Nolsers. SWEEEEEEET combination.:D

Abel
August 5, 2010, 10:43 PM
The 30-30 has a trajectory that limits its use to about 200 yards. If I knew that all my shots would be within that range, the 243 would sit in the gun safe. I just like a 336 better than a turnbolt.

butcherboy
August 5, 2010, 11:43 PM
i dont plan on saving the hides just my live stock. dont mind overkill either. just want them gone. im in ny and they reak havoc on the deer in my area. i kinda figured 30/30 for close range and 243 for longer. just wanted some outside opinions. thanks guys!

jbkebert
August 5, 2010, 11:58 PM
Have you sighted any yotes during daylight hours or are you just hearing them at night? What kind of ranges are the yotes coming into? My vote would be for the .243 in the truck and take the shot when it presents itself. The odds of getting a coyotte to come in close enough for a shot with a handgun is slim. Even if your calling yotes they are smart critters. So my thoughts are to get your hands on a predator call and sit very very still. Then take care of your problem animals.

MinnMooney
August 6, 2010, 12:08 AM
If for riding in the truck, I'd carry the Marlin .30-30 with the Revolution rounds - you know, those that have the pointy, polymer tip? If your marlin has a scope, you now have a 250-300 yd rifle. If you have a decent way to carry the Howa (.234 Win.), that would be almost as fast to get it out the window and it would reach to double the .30-30 with any bullet of 70 gr or larger (I'd go with any of the 80 gr. Polymer tipped bullets).

browningguy
August 6, 2010, 12:18 AM
.243, I use the 70 gr. Nosler BT and it works them over pretty good. And you can easily reach out 400-500 yards to pop them.

Jefferson Herb
August 6, 2010, 02:17 AM
Add one more for 70 gr nosler BT,should be all the meat grindser you need.

Bluenote
August 6, 2010, 02:20 AM
i am a farmer and have a coyote problem. here are my choice for guns based on what i have.

marlin 336 30/30
howa 1500 .243

(i already know these are last resort)
marlin 100g 22.lr
ruger 10/22

winchester 1300 20ga
Remington 870 12ga

ruger p95 9mm
ruger single six 22/22wmr.

any help on what to use or experience with these calibers/guns would be greatly appreciated. thanks
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The best coyote rig you've got in the bunch ( unless you're under 50 yards or so) is your .243 , I've ( literally) taken hundreds of coyotes over the decades with various .243 rigs , and at fairly long ranges , though currently my favorite coyote rifle is a .22-250 A.I. I've been playing with , your .30-30 will work just fine out to about a 150 yards or so too. They'll learn to stay out of range pretty quickly though so the .243 and a solid rest ( note you'll need to practice at extended ranges) will allow you to make 500 yard shots with proper ammunition and a solid rest. Get yourself some varmint time on ground squirrels , crows and the like , if you can consistenly turn ground squirrels into redmist at 400 yards then coyotes are easy.

Pet loads for coyotes from a .243.........

55 grain Nosler ballistic tip , 50 grains of H414 , this turns up a consistent 4020 fps out of a 26 inch barrel ( both in a modified Savage and a model 70) and has been a sub minute of angle load in most every .243 I've tried it in.)

51 grains of H380 behind the same slug delivers about the same performance just very slightly faster. 49.5 of Varget is faster yet ( 4100 or so) but seems to produce an occasional flyer in my rifles , very little velocity variation with the Varget however. 48 of Varget is very very consistent , half to three quarter groups and 3900ish in most rifles. 4895 at 44.5 is close to 4100 and a very nice load too.

Want a heavier slug a Matchking ( Sierra) over 47.3-47.5 of h414 gets you 3500plus and is a half minute of angle load in my rifles , VERY good extended distance load.Likewise with the Nosler slugs in a 70 , the Noslers do more damage but groups open up slightly as compared to the Sierras.


For *very* extended ranges I like a 75 Nosler over 42-43 grains of Varget , this is a FAST one 3600 plus and shoots *under* a half minute in my savage , your Howa should be safe with this load but start a bit low and work up to it , I've got several 600 yard plus coyotes on this load out of that rifle.

MAXIMUM load 80 Sierra varminter over 48 grains IMR 4350 *DO NOT* start at this level , work up to this one from 44 grains or so this will be 3500 plus out of even a 24 inch barrel and busts coyotes at 600 plus like you wouldn't believe , bucks wind well ( in my expierence) very consistent.

I've got many more if you want 'em. .243 is a perpetual favorite with me , along with .257 roberts and 7mm mag.

sxechainsaw
August 6, 2010, 02:37 AM
Has anyone been successful against coyotes with a .22 LR? Never tried it before but I'd love to bring out the .22 AR and take some yotes out.

forindooruseonly
August 6, 2010, 08:39 AM
Has anyone been successful against coyotes with a .22 LR? Never tried it before but I'd love to bring out the .22 AR and take some yotes out.

Good way to just wound them and let them suffer.

It's been done plenty, doesn't make it right. The range at which they are generally shot is further than the effective range of the .22 lr, and more importantly, the bullet is too small and too slow. So unless you are a sadistic person, don't do it.

any help on what to use or experience with these calibers/guns would be greatly appreciated. thanks

By far the best coyote gun you have is the .243. As previously mentioned, it has a much longer reach than the 30/30. If you start hunting them, you'll find out pretty quickly that the coyotes will learn to keep their distance. I live in rural Oklahoma, few of the coyotes I've shot have been closer than 200 yards, most at 300 or beyond. I've used a .243 plenty, as well as any of the hot .22s, like the 220 Swift and the 22-250. I used an AR a couple of times, was not impressed. A lot of pelt hunters use them, they tend to do as much damage from what I hear, but I just want them dead so I like something with a bit more oomph behind it.

tju1973
August 6, 2010, 08:42 AM
You can't go wrong with a good lever in 30-30, so I would say based on your list, take the Marlin 336.

That being said, it is really hard to beat an AR15 for 'yote duty.... .223 work great on knocking them down. IMHO

rangerruck
August 6, 2010, 09:47 AM
the howa 1500 is proly the best entry level rifle, still made out there, it will be inexpensive, cheap, and accurate. Basically , it is a Wetherby, and so you know it will be a good shooter.

Water-Man
August 6, 2010, 10:24 AM
The .243 is your best choice.

chains1240
August 8, 2010, 08:16 PM
the howa 1500 is proly the best entry level rifle, still made out there, it will be inexpensive, cheap, and accurate. Basically , it is a Wetherby, and so you know it will be a good shooter.

I think the Weatherby is basically a Howa. :)

FLAvalanche
August 8, 2010, 09:17 PM
My vote goes to the Howa.

John Wayne
August 8, 2010, 11:30 PM
Hard to beat a .243.

The .30-30 will work of course, but there is no real advantage in carrying both if you have a .243.

MYREDTAIL
August 9, 2010, 12:04 AM
Iv'e had good luck with my Rem 700 BDL heavy barrel varmint special, used for woodchucks, & coyotes & never lost one or the other yet, one shot kills are common with this gun, out & beyond 200 + yds My handloads are 33-34 grns. of IMR 3031 topped with either Nosler billistic tips or Hornady V-MAX bullets, very explosive, As I am not a Pelt hunter, So I do not care about the pelt damage from these round's I have the same or even better results at times using IMR 4041 powder with 34 grns. P. S.this gun is topped off with a Leopould 6x5x20 TARGET SCOPE this is what makes me reach out so far with bullseye results

MYREDTAIL
August 9, 2010, 12:14 AM
A nice budget minded Coyote gun OTB accuracy is the Savage/ Stevens 200 rifle sells for about under $300.00 & you can mount a nice BSA 3x10x 50 MM Illuminated scope on it the scope sells for about $80-95.00 from Midway USA I picked one up in a 243 cal for Coyote's, this gun has a regular Barrel on it & not the heavy varmint type as my Rem 700 gets to heavy at times to lug around in the field's. " DON'T EVER GET OLD "

Art Eatman
August 9, 2010, 09:26 AM
Some folks aren't paying attention: He's selecting from what he has, not what he might acquire.

I'd take the .243. It has always worked very well for me on coyotes. The Federal load with the Sierra 85-grain HPBT is devastating on Ol' Wily.

Jbabbler
August 9, 2010, 10:19 AM
heck, that 10/22 will do the job with ease. You pop a yote with 1 or 2 HV 22lr hollowpoints and he's going down or turning away. If he runs off, the rest of the pack will take care of him in short order.

chas08
August 9, 2010, 10:42 AM
.243 would be my choice with whatever ammo it shoots best.

desidog
August 9, 2010, 12:58 PM
I've knocked off eastern coyotes with .22lr, 9mm, 12ga., .223, .243, and .308 reduced-recoil, which is similar to 30/30 in performance. I've also hit some with well placed shots that didn't go down. Shot placement is key - hit the head and they drop, double lung and heart and they can still run out of sight sometimes. Unless you want to stuff it, I'd use a bullet that makes a mess.

Similarly, bullet choice matters as does the range you're using them at...if you're using a .22lr.

Depending on the terrain and the type of hunting, I think the OP's got a number of solid options. Carry the 9mm, jump a yote and shoot him; and keep a long gun close by. The 12ga or the .22 are fine for inside 70 yds, and the rifles further, depending on accuracy and optics. Or, go out looking for them...I shoot orange price tags at 200yds with my .243, and a 75gr Vmax can really eviscerate a coyote's head; my go-to for daytime/evening hunting.

Around here, hunting at night is limited to a .22lr...a night vision scope helps considerably too, along with a couple of predator calls. I use CCI Velocitors.

heeler
August 9, 2010, 01:25 PM
Another vote for the 243.
In fact since you are trying to get rid of coyotes I suggest being cheap and just buying any soft point 243 ammo of any grain weight that you can catch on sale.

Eb1
August 9, 2010, 02:00 PM
I got some 110 grain hp over a massive dose of h335 that will turn that 30-30 into a 300 yard yote getter.

Just make sure you don't shoot out the passenger window. Might catch your vehicle on fire.
I vote either high powered rifle.

happycamper374
August 10, 2010, 09:16 AM
Ha well we know where Eb1 stands! ;)

Eb1
August 10, 2010, 07:59 PM
HA!

Sorry.... Happy Trigger Finger.:neener:

iblong
August 16, 2010, 03:34 PM
I love the 30-30 but your 243 hands down!

elorenzo
August 23, 2010, 10:51 AM
your 243 with a 80 grain bullet is one of the best coyote slayers you have one of the best long range guns around use it and watch the dogs die

Good luck:)

FROGO207
August 26, 2010, 09:53 PM
I agree that the 243 is the answer. Do practice at long range as previously posted and you will benefit. They do get smarter as you trim up the population.:D

PHB
August 26, 2010, 10:19 PM
243 since this is what you already have varmint hunting I one of my favorite sports what state are you in Butcher boy?

Thatguy686
September 6, 2010, 12:48 PM
Forindooruseonly

I just thought u should know I have shot on different occasions probally 35 yotes with a .22 Lr and got instant kills it's all shot placement don't be a bad shot and you'll see the same results

butcherboy
September 6, 2010, 01:29 PM
PHB : im in upstate NY.

HOOfan_1
September 6, 2010, 09:15 PM
Went out dove hunting with my dad today in Virginia about 30 miles West of Richmond (on the farm where they shot some of John Adams) we took a .22 Mag and a .223 in case we saw some groundhogs. We saw 3 coyotes (including those 2 I've only seen 4 my entire life..all at that farm) he took a shot at 2 with a .22 Mag...said he rushed the shots and both ran off. He might have gotten one, but I hope not. I've seen people say they hunt them with .22 mag, but I think .223 is about as light as I would go.

monwa
September 7, 2010, 10:25 PM
Your 243 and 12 gauge with some sort of buck shot are the best choices from your arsenal.

DANNY243
September 7, 2010, 11:31 PM
.243 is a perfect coyote round with 70gr nosler BTs

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