What's wrong with the SKS?


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Cactus Jack Arizona
August 19, 2010, 02:44 PM
Is there something wrong with the SKS? I ask because I've noticed an influx of SKS rifles at the gun shows I've attended, not to mention the 6 pages of SKS rifles listed at gunbroker.com as of this posting. Also as of this posting, there are 117 listings of SKS rifles at gunsamerica.com.

The SKS is not going along with the rules of supply and demand. If there were only a few of them, one would think their price would be high. However, they seem to be a dime a dozen, yet their prices are as high as if people couldn't get enough of them. I don't really get it. What say you?

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rcmodel
August 19, 2010, 02:48 PM
Literally millions of them have been imported over the years from various places. But the supply is running out worldwide.

And a lot of folks rushed right out and bought them at inflated prices during the hysteria & gun buying frenzy after the last election.

Now, they are out of work and want all their money back out of them to pay the rent.

rc

Tully M. Pick
August 19, 2010, 02:52 PM
Literally millions of them have been imported over the years from various places.
And a lot of folks rushed right out and bought them all during the hysteria & gun buying frenzy after the last election.

Now, they are out of work and want their money back out of them to pay the rent.

rc

Over in the first reply. I've noticed the same thing with AR's. People are trying to sell them at inflated prices and recoup their loss, but there's too many of them out there right now.

briansmithwins
August 19, 2010, 03:53 PM
Pages and pages of listings (at inflated prices) or pages of sold rifles?

Those 2 things are not synonymous.

BSW

zhyla
August 19, 2010, 03:56 PM
It may just take some time for prices to settle down a bit. They already have a little. At one point we were seeing Soviet specimens in the $600's, I don't think that's happening anymore.

If you're looking for a cheap, semi-auto milsurp carbine they're pretty much the only game in town. I don't know what the global supply looks like. They're not making any more, obviously. But did they make a billion of them like they did with Mosins?

ForumSurfer
August 19, 2010, 05:01 PM
It may just take some time for prices to settle down a bit.

I agree. I think many people (myself included) owned old sks's they bought back in the 90's, still unfired sitting in cosmoline in the back of our safes or back at mom and pop's house. My father and I bought a few for $75 apiece, with ammo and assorted Chinese paraphernalia. $300? What! I can sell 1 or 2 and still keep one or two for myself and the kids to enjoy. Voila...market flooded. But who knows?

I actually just cleaned one up that my cousin bubba'd with a 30 round mag and folding stock. I put the wood stock back on it and gave it a once over. I'll actually fire my first ever sks this weekend...yeah, for the first time...and I own 3. :scrutiny: If I like it, I'll designate this one as a shooter since it's a little rough on the outside and throw some of those tech sights on it.

FastMover
August 19, 2010, 05:09 PM
I bought a bubba's Cowboy Companion SKS about 3 months before the election for 250.00. I paid another 20.00 for a wood stock that I modified to fit the receiver's scope mount. Next thing I know BAM SKS's were going for almost 500.00 with 30rd magazines. ***?? I know they're fun to shoot but they're still a dime a dozen.

stchman
August 19, 2010, 05:17 PM
Nothing, I own 4 of them and like them all.

ThePunisher'sArmory
August 19, 2010, 05:18 PM
I vill be schticking vis my AR15 comrade. But i do like saving ze money. So I buys ze Wolf .223.

Average Joe
August 19, 2010, 07:23 PM
Great rifles, buy a few..

JTH
August 19, 2010, 08:18 PM
Availabilty of these weapons show that people bought at inflated prices and now need the cash. Back in the early
90's, I purchased a Norinco SKS NIB for $125. It probably doesn't have 200 rounds through it. I've aquired several other weapons including a Norinco MAK 90 a Norinco 9mm Tokarev, Remingtong 870 Law Enforcement, a vintage Winchester Model 72 .22, along with 2,000 rounds of 7.62 and 1500 rnds. of 9mm. Need to stock up on various shot gun rnds and 2,000 rnds. of .22 shells. I'll hang on to all of these, these pretty much cover all my bases.

Oceans
August 19, 2010, 08:59 PM
At the end of the day the SKS is an outmoded, limited fixed capacity, crudely sighted,poorly platformed for modern optics, albeit reliable, fighting carbine: with limited usefulness in the game fields. Unless one is a collector and wants a particular specimen for his collection, the demand for them is just not that great. Today people want tricked out ARs in the fighting rifle space, and I don't blame them. It is very hard to beat a sold M-4 platform with modern optics for an offensive/defensive weapon.

Big Bill
August 19, 2010, 09:06 PM
I had three and gave two of them away to my sons. I'll probably give the last one away too. I personally don't like the cheap POCs.

ThePunisher'sArmory
August 19, 2010, 09:08 PM
Well hay Bill if your giving them away........I'll take one :D

jimmyraythomason
August 19, 2010, 09:10 PM
The only thing wrong with them is that I don't have enough of them.

Bluehawk
August 19, 2010, 09:12 PM
What's wrong with the SKS?

They aren't made anymore!!!! :banghead:

WardenWolf
August 19, 2010, 09:16 PM
There's a lot of them out there, but most of the good ones are already gone. You see tons of Yugos and Norincos, but the good ones, the Russian and Romanian ones, are hard to find and you normally pay a premium for them. I got a steal on my Romanian at $275 a few months ago. It has a chrome-plated bore and beautiful wood. Romanian craftsmanship at its best. It looks 10 times better than any Norinco or Yugo I've seen.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/th_SKS2.jpg (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/SKS2.jpg)

Ignition Override
August 19, 2010, 09:17 PM
2075 RAMI:
Nothing.
Bought mine in March '08 and have never considered selling it.
For blasting objects at 50-100 feet, the ammo/rifle expenses of an AR, FAL, PTR-91, M-1A would be overkill.

As for prices, most Norincos on "GB" seemed to list at about $270 in spring '08, long before the election.
Do you read "SKSboards"?

Big Bill
August 19, 2010, 09:38 PM
Well hay Bill if your giving them away........I'll take one...Too late! I've got 5 sons and 7 SILs. So, it's already spoken for. :)

SSN Vet
August 19, 2010, 09:48 PM
what's wrong with the SKS?

the Simonov action evolved into Kalashnikov action... guess which one is still in production?

donning anti-flame suite.... counting down to ignition...

theotherwaldo
August 19, 2010, 10:23 PM
Nothing, for it's intended purpose. Makes a darn good truck gun. Mine replaces a M-1 carbine, which took the place of a Win '94 saddle-ring carbine.

bushmaster1313
August 19, 2010, 10:26 PM
Anything made by Chinese Communists, especially a firearm is a problem for me.

briansmithwins
August 19, 2010, 10:33 PM
the Simonov action evolved into Kalashnikov action...

Not really. Kalishnikov stole from lots of earlier designs* for the AK, but the SKS was not one of them. The only thing those two rifles have in common is the caliber. BSW

*Safety from the Remington 8, bolt and trigger from the Garand, gas system from any number of earlier weapons.

MaterDei
August 19, 2010, 10:39 PM
Too late! I've got 5 sons and 7 SILs. So, it's already spoken for.

Mormon? :)

I've got nothing to say but good things about my Norinco. Great value and great fun.

Big Bill
August 20, 2010, 02:00 AM
Mormon?Or, Catholic or Hispanic or... :)

nathan
August 20, 2010, 03:29 AM
1995 i bought my first centerfire rifle and it s a Russian SKS 1950 . Still have it today . Lots of memories. First kill was a 130 lb wild hog at 10 yds away.
I have acquired several thus far of diffeent countries of make. I like them all.

zhyla
August 20, 2010, 10:29 AM
Anything made by Chinese Communists, especially a firearm is a problem for me.

Are non-Chinese communists ok then?

BRad704
August 20, 2010, 11:43 AM
All this SKS-hate is giving me a headache... They are a great rifle for their time, and still a good rifle to have around. It is good enough for predator control to about 150 yards, easy to use a 30rd mag for higher capacity, 154gr SP will kill almost anything in NA including BG's, and it is easy to strip and clean without any special tool other than an extra bullet to press the trigger group release.

I think the market flooding got summed up in the first reply to the OP...
"Originally Posted by rcmodel
Literally millions of them have been imported over the years from various places.
And a lot of folks rushed right out and bought them all during the hysteria & gun buying frenzy after the last election.

Now, they are out of work and want their money back out of them to pay the rent.

rc"

jimmyraythomason
August 20, 2010, 11:46 AM
a lot of folks rushed right out and bought them all during the hysteria & gun buying frenzy after the last election.

Now, they are out of work and want their money back out of them to pay the rent.

Or they bought a lot of them when they were dirt cheap and now want to make a profit at the higher prices the SKS is bringing today?

stchman
August 20, 2010, 01:24 PM
I don't think the Romanian SKS look 10X better than the Yugo. The Yugo SKS is the best looking of the SKS rifles.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=537510

Cactus Jack Arizona
August 20, 2010, 01:43 PM
Well, no hatin' here. I love my SKS. I finally found and purchased a long desired Russian SKS that includes "CCCP" in the number. Best looking SKS I have. My Norinco's wood wasn't really that nice so I put it in a black Tapco T-6 stock. I was going to sell my Norinco since I acquired my Russian. However, I changed my mind and have decided to keep both. I call my Norinco SKS my poor man's AR. :neener:

BRad704
August 20, 2010, 01:51 PM
With Tapco 30rd mags and either tech sights or a red-dot, they are plenty capable of sustained fire within Minute of Vitals... :D

Palehorseman
August 20, 2010, 01:56 PM
Nothing is wrong with the SKS.

Back in late 1980s I bought two SKS rifles for 90 bucks each, also got two 1200 round wooden crates of ammo for about the same price each.

With Williams aperture sights, they are quite capable for minute of perp out to 200 yards. So mine are home to stay, have other rifles etc, but one of the SKS is my always truck gun. I don't intentionally let it get beat up, but if it does, so what, it is a tool that can take it and still perform very well.

WardenWolf
August 22, 2010, 11:23 AM
I don't think the Romanian SKS look 10X better than the Yugo. The Yugo SKS is the best looking of the SKS rifles.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=537510
I'd have to say I disagree. Here's my Romanian. It's not unissued, the finish is all original, but it's in beautiful shape, and the picture doesn't do it justice:

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/th_SKS1.jpg (http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/WardenWolf_1982/SKS1.jpg)

It's got a chrome-lined bore, a smooth action, and is a real nice shooter. The guy I bought it from had it as a safe queen; he fired about 100 rounds through it, and put it back in the safe.

janobles14
August 22, 2010, 11:45 AM
well i for one hope that the market continues to be flooded back with them. around here we are getting back into non insane-o prices for AR-15's and the like. AK's have gotten back down to around 250-300 bucks. im hoping that the SKS's will drop to 150-200 again and then i will add a couple as i see them.

JTH
August 22, 2010, 11:59 AM
It all comes down to gun snobs and a topping contest. If I come across another reasonaly priced SKS, I'll grab it in a heartbeat. The only thing I don't care for on the Yugo SKS, is grenade launcher, it makes the rifle look too long but that doesn't affect it's shooting. My preference would be a Norinco D, Paratrooper model with extended round mag capacity. Now if you can find some Grenades to launch of the end of the Yugo, I'd change my mind in a second!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll keep my Norinco SKS purchased NIB back in the 90's in it's original configuration. I would like another and throw a Tapco Tactical composite stock on it.
JT

wally
August 22, 2010, 01:36 PM
AK's have gotten back down to around 250-300 bucks

Where is this? $350 is about as low as I've seen in a couple of years for a WASR with ugly wood and welded muzzle nut.

Katana8869
August 22, 2010, 08:11 PM
I loved the SKS back in the 80's when you could buy Russian models for $75 at a gunshow. I miss those days :(

SleazyRider
August 22, 2010, 08:21 PM
Glad I came across this thread, because I've been a-eyeballin' the SOG sks's at $320 unissued. I take it that most of feel this is overpriced?

General Tso
August 22, 2010, 11:28 PM
Glad I came across this thread, because I've been a-eyeballin' the SOG sks's at $320 unissued. I take it that most of feel this is overpriced?
No. I just paid $300 for a Norinco SKS in VG condition.

oldbanjo
August 22, 2010, 11:46 PM
Years ago I bought one for $90, I added a folding stock $41. I couldn't ask for a more accurate rifle and I've killed two deer with it. One at 65 yds and another one running at about 20 yds. Look at the Motorcycles for sale. People are hurting in this economy. I bought a real nice Motorcycle last Nov. The price was so good that I told them that they didn't even have to crank it.

BRad704
August 23, 2010, 10:31 AM
We watched a show last night called "Hurricane Katrina: The First Five Days" and it made me want to go buy an SKS for each member of my family...

tinygnat219
August 23, 2010, 10:43 AM
At the end of the day the SKS is an outmoded, limited fixed capacity, crudely sighted,poorly platformed for modern optics, albeit reliable, fighting carbine: with limited usefulness in the game fields. Unless one is a collector and wants a particular specimen for his collection, the demand for them is just not that great. Today people want tricked out ARs in the fighting rifle space, and I don't blame them. It is very hard to beat a sold M-4 platform with modern optics for an offensive/defensive weapon.

Total crap.

The SKS won't cost you a grand or more to get working, it fires a real .30 caliber round, and it'll work when the M-4 is choked from dust and carbon fouling in the action.

ForumSurfer
August 23, 2010, 11:04 AM
The SKS won't cost you a grand or more to get working, it fires a real .30 caliber round, and it'll work when the M-4 is choked from dust and carbon fouling in the action.

It's not too much more expensive than a 22 to plink with. My girlfriend thought it was a hideous beast. I agreed. She shot it this past weekend after buying some cheap ammo, now she loves it. In her own words "It's not much more expensive than your 22 and it makes a bigger bang. It's more fun than the 22's when shooting your plates."

It has a chrome-plated bore and beautiful wood. Romanian craftsmanship at its best. It looks 10 times better than any Norinco or Yugo I've seen.


I own a romanian and two norincos. I see a little more craftsmanship in the romanian, but not much. They are all cheap, mass produced rifles with no features or particular attention to detail to write home about. But that's just my opinion. Ugly, sloppy and not known for outstanding accuracy (just accurate enough)...but fun as all get out to shoot!

RockyMtnTactical
August 23, 2010, 01:08 PM
The SKS is a good gun. One of the best for the money.

augustino
August 23, 2010, 01:33 PM
Nothing's wrong with the SKS.
In fact nothing's wrong with firearms in general. It's just that so many decided to fall for the hype about Obama taking away your guns. That is and was BS. Sure he may not be a pro gun president. But I seriously doubt that he or any other president for that matter can or will ever successfully take away our firearms. So here's how I see it. The industry as a whole saw an opportunity to make money using fear, the old scare them into it tactic. That's how the Patriot act was embrased by so many.
But under the umbrella of fear millions of Americans fell for the hype and ran out to buy guns and ammo. Now a couple of years later when we see that things are the same as they ever were, the dust settles and many are looking to sell off what they picked up in panic buying.
So it's a great time to get great deals on firearms and ammo for that matter.

By the way to help protect our right to have arms join the NRA.

Justin
August 23, 2010, 01:48 PM
Total crap.

The SKS won't cost you a grand or more to get working, it fires a real .30 caliber round, and it'll work when the M-4 is choked from dust and carbon fouling in the action.

I've yet to see all of these AR15s that supposedly choke at the slightest hint of dust, and while the cost for an AR is much higher, you also get a plainly superior rifle. Also, your post would seem to imply that it costs $1000 above and beyond the purchase price of the rifle itself to get it running, a supposition that is clearly incorrect.

For an American shooter, the SKS makes for a decent trunk gun/beater rifle due to its low cost to purchase and modify with after market add-ons like Tech Sights.

Within the niche of a low-cost, field-accurate 200ish yard rifle, the SKS does fine. However, it's preposterous to claim that it is in any way superior to the AR platform. Reloads are slow and clumsy, ergonomically the gun is inferior, it is not as inherently mechanically accurate as an AR, especially if shooting from field positions, and the weapon lacks the modularity of the AR system.

Joe Demko
August 23, 2010, 02:04 PM
Within the niche of a low-cost, field-accurate 200ish yard rifle, the SKS does fine. However, it's preposterous to claim that it is in any way superior to the AR platform. Reloads are slow and clumsy, ergonomically the gun is inferior, it is not as inherently mechanically accurate as an AR, especially if shooting from field positions, and the weapon lacks the modularity of the AR system.

All of this is perfectly true, but ignores that many shooters will not take advantage of the AR's modularity. I, for example, have owned four AR's over the years and have never done so, unless you count putting a scope on one.
Further, many shooters are not at a skill level where the AR's greater accuracy is something of which they can take advantage. Ditto the quicker reloads. I personally know a fair few AR owners who have just the one or two magazines that came with the gun.
So, modularity etc. are really advantageous only if the shooter is willing and able to use them. If not, an SKS will serve just as well.

Wood Man
August 23, 2010, 02:27 PM
Nothing wrong with SKS's at all in my book. I've owned one or more for the past 20+ years. Got 3 right now:
Norinco SKS-NR
http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/WoodMan70/MySKS-NR.jpg
Norinco SKS - Original Matching #
http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/WoodMan70/MatchingSKS.jpg
Romanina SKS - Original Matching #
http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/b436/WoodMan70/RomainianSKS.jpg

Lov'em........and I've hit everthing I've ever aimed at with them too.

Ignition Override
August 23, 2010, 03:06 PM
If the SKS had been both an American design and used in combat by our troops, they would be much more popular and pricier. You can always add a 'Tech Sight' aperture.

augustino summed up the 'hype' after the presidential election.
Guess why Chicken Little said the sky is falling? It was mostly to create a scalpers' market.

A bill which tried to ban many types of rifles has sat in a Washington cabinet for many years, with no chance of passing, and astute people told me that Obama never had the "political capitol" to pass any type of ban or major gun/ammo tax etc.
But the politically astute sellers at gun shops and shows forgot to mention this;).

General TSO: Not a bad price, as many Norincos at 'GB' were listed for $270 in March '08, many months before the election.

Justin
August 23, 2010, 03:38 PM
So, modularity etc. are really advantageous only if the shooter is willing and able to use them. If not, an SKS will serve just as well.

Indeed. Ultimately it's what you expect to get out of the rifle, and what you can bring to the marksmanship table. If the SKS fits the bill for what you need in a rifle, then that's what you should go with.

Last year, I was going to run an SKS in an AR vs. AK practical rifle match. I took the SKS out to sight it in, and was thoroughly dismayed at the groups it shot at 200 yards, and simply decided it would be an exercise in frustration to try to shoot the rifle beyond those distances.

I may well give it a try again at this year's match, but only after installing some Tech Sights and buying some decent US made ammo by, say, Federal.

oldbanjo
August 23, 2010, 03:41 PM
I was amazed when I first fired one that my brother had bought. For what I consider a cheap gun it really surprised me. Now is not the time to sell any gun that you have for HD, on the news they say that the economy is improving. I didn't just get off a turnip truck, where I'm at things are a lot worst and getting worst yet. The stealing will increase you can bank on that. The people around here arrested for stealing are turned loose to continue stealing until they go to trial in approx two years. I'm retired and am glad that I am. I feel sorry for anyone that has to find a job today. If our Gov survives I'll draw my check if not I'll be cleaning more guns.

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