Do I really need a 300 Win mag?


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PT1911
August 21, 2010, 02:01 AM
Alright, so currently I dont own a long range hunting/target rifle.... I am selling a couple of things and trying to decide what current gaps I have in my collection and what I need to add to best fill them... I noticed that I am missing a large game rifle... largest I have is a 270 win...and long range target rifle... I will be building a Mauser m48 into a 338 federal soon so I will technically have a large game rifle, but at a somewhat short range, SO, in walks the possibility of the 300 win mag (with a brake of course.)

HMMMMM.... I dunno...

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scythefwd
August 21, 2010, 02:06 AM
Depends on how much you want to spend. I'd look at a .30-06 instead, but the .300 wm is a fine cartridge. Why not get an AI and get both in 1 package?

parker51
August 21, 2010, 02:18 AM
What do you consider "large" game? I have taken 3 bull moose with a .270 Win using 140 gr. bullets. I didn't feel that I really "needed" a 300 Win Mag to hunt moose but I always "wanted" one. Now that I have one I'll probably never get the chance to hunt with it but I still keep it sighted in just in case. I say If you have the money and you really want one, then by all means get it. This gun is fun to shoot, but at close to $30 for a box of ammo she doesn't see that much range time.

TexasPatriot.308
August 21, 2010, 02:47 AM
unless you are shooting over 300 yards and love to get your shoulder bruised, the '06,.270 or .308 will do the job here, dont fall for all the BS that you got to have a big gun like that, I am 57, hunted for years, got some big caliber guns, now I pull a 6.5 Swede, a 7-08 or .308 for anything in Texas and my favorite is the .22-250, they make you a better shot unless you like the punishment of recoil to agree with all the other magnum guys, most of them cant hit doodly cause already flinching due to recoil. use common sense not testostorone, a frind of mine just got a 300 win mag, spent just as much on optics, fired it a few times and put it in the back of his safe, too much gun for our area...but it's your money.

Peakbagger46
August 21, 2010, 05:33 AM
.260 Remington might be a lot more fun...

skiking
August 21, 2010, 05:39 AM
You don't need a 300 Win Mag. I wouldn't say you are missing a large game rifle from your collection. That .270 is plenty for any critter in North America and the .270's ballistics are plenty good for long range shooting. My opinion, if you want a long range target rifle build a long range target rifle, if you want a bigger gun for larger game do that. The 300 WM is great at long range and it puts a big thump on game, but if you build a rifle you can shoot all day and get good at long ranges, you probably won't want to pack it around for a week at 8000'+ elevation for a chance to shoot an elk that will most likely be within 200 yds.

That said, I love my .300 WM and it has become my primary hunting rifle.

Try to shoot one and see if you will like it. My cousin was wanting a .300 WM until I let him shoot it this summer, the recoil proved to be much more than he could tolerate.

Lloyd Smale
August 21, 2010, 06:39 AM
its an unamerican rilfe collection that doesnt at least include one 308, 3006 and 300 mag.

scythefwd
August 21, 2010, 06:48 AM
Dang Lloyd, that was just the justification I needed to get my wife on board ;P

gun guy
August 21, 2010, 06:51 AM
I understand completely. I have been considering a "boomer" myself for some time, that isn't mounted. I think i have settled on the 300 Weatherby over the 300 Win mag because its a little faster. They both use 30 cal bullets, and I already have scads of them, from lightweight to alien bustin. Now, i only consider them because I handload, and im going to have to buy the dies and brass, its going to come out about the same with either one. the 300 mags use standard LR or LRM primers, common powders and bullets so actually plinking, to serious hunting can be tailored. If you have to buy the ammo, yikes! I don't need a boomer, going to have to sneak it in, don't hunt, but if you want something, thats about 96% reason enough. Good luck.

Rob96
August 21, 2010, 06:51 AM
I was just debating this. My shots are hardly ever over 150 let alone 300yds, so I went with a new 308.

Geno
August 21, 2010, 08:27 AM
With hand loaded 165 grain projectiles, the .30-06 Sprg and the .300 Win Mag are near identical to 500 yards. If you load the 165 grain projectile in a .30-06 to 3,100 FPS, in effect, you have a .300 Win Mag (in terms of end performance).

As for the .270 Win, it will handle any North American game, and will do so to 500 yards. If you want a .300 Win Mag for firing 180 and 200 grain projectiles, now you're talking .300 Win Mag's strength. In those loads, it will blister the .30-06's backside. It will also say "hello sunshine" every time you pull the trigger. :D Get a muzzle break on the puppy.

Let us know what you decide.

Geno

FLNT4EVR
August 21, 2010, 09:54 AM
I have a .260 Rem.Mod.7, and am very soon going to buy a CZ 550 fs in 6.5x55 .They will do the job on anything I will ever hunt here in the US.Also you can shoot them all day at the range and not hurt your sholder.

Taurus 617 CCW
August 21, 2010, 10:11 AM
Do I really need a 300 Win mag?

It depends on how fast you want to push the bullet and how much you want to spend on brass. I have not seen any gain in adding 300-400 fps as compared to the 30-06. I also don't see any advantage to pushing 30 caliber bullets to nearly 3000 fps. If you must have one then get it but the gains will be minimal and you get less rounds in the box magazine when you move to the magnum platform.

handle02
August 21, 2010, 10:15 AM
I say get one! I was recently going through this debate last fall and I ended up with a very nice model 70 in .300WM. Ammo is expensive as stated before but if you reload it's no worse than anything else. Recoil, is the biggest factor that should help you with your decision,you could have the biggest and fastest bullet in the world but, if you can't shoot it straight whats the point.However, you said that you would get one with a muzzle brake. So I say go for it!:D

Moose458
August 21, 2010, 10:16 AM
I have a Sako .300 Winnie, and before I ever shot it, I had a brake installed (this was a while back about 1990). I had heard all the horror stories about how brutal they were. Big waste of $125. Depending on you and the rifle, a muzzle brake may not be needed. Plus you will only forget to use hearing protection ONCE, when using a brake. Of all my rifles, if there was a fire and I could only save one, it would be the .300 Winnie. I've taken more game (elk, moose, bison) with it then any other rifle.

Oceans
August 21, 2010, 10:42 AM
No, you do not NEED a 300 Win mag. You have a .270, you live in a Alabama, where if a .270 can't get the job done, you must be hunting an imported river Hippo. The .270 IS a "long range" hunting rifle, with proper bullet selection, it can do what you ask of it. Remember it is called hunting and not sniping, I try to get AS CLOSE as I can to the game when I shoot it. 300 yards is A LONG WAY for a game shot, and an ethical hunters, which I'm sure that you are, would not take shots beyond that range in MOST circumstances. A .270 will do fine at these ranges for MOST American game that it normally and reasonably is employed against. Spend your money upgrading your .270, better barrel, stock, bedding, glass, trigger, ect...

ugaarguy
August 21, 2010, 10:47 AM
If you're looking for long range performance, take a read at Zak Smith's demigodllc web site articlew on the .260 Rem.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/the-case-for-260-remington/?p=2
The .260 Remington cartridge is gaining favor with many long-range shooters for the simple reason that it slings the long, slim, high-BC 6.5mm bullets at respectable velocity. It duplicates or beats the .300 Winchester Magnum's trajectory with less recoil than .308 Compared to the venerable .300 Winchester Magnum's most common load - a 190-grain Sierra MatchKing at 2900 fps - the .260 has about 17% less wind drift and a few clicks less drop. Even though it shoots a 140-grain bullet, it still has 87% of the Magnum's energy at 1000 yards because its slim design yields a much higher ballistic coefficient (BC) value, so it retrains velocity longer. It also has 60% less recoil than the 300.

The .260 Remington blows .308 out of the water. It has 35% less wind drift and about 10 MOA less drop at 1000 yards than the standard 175-grain M118LR load. Despite a 35-grain deficiency in bullet mass, it has 31% more energy because it loses less along the way due to atmospheric drag, hitting 350 fps faster at 1000 yards.

So, short answer is no, you don't need a .300 Win Mag. With your .338 Fed, and .270 Win. I think you have your bases covered pretty well.

Arkansas Paul
August 21, 2010, 10:47 AM
I'm with Geno. It's with the heavier bullets that the magnums distance themselves. As far as needing one, who cares? You don't have have it, so if you want it, get it. I had a .280 Rem when I bought my .30-06. I didn't need it, I just wanted it.

Al LaVodka
August 21, 2010, 11:01 AM
[QUOTE=PT1911;6692337]Alright, so currently I dont own a long range hunting/target rifle.... I am selling a couple of things and trying to decide what current gaps I have in my collection and what I need to add to best fill them... I noticed that I am missing a large game rifle... largest I have is a 270 win...and long range target rifle... I will be building a Mauser m48 into a 338 federal soon so I will technically have a large game rifle, but at a somewhat short range, SO, in walks the possibility of the 300 win mag (with a brake of course.)

oldreloader
August 21, 2010, 11:18 AM
Not according to Jack O'Connor.

ms6852
August 21, 2010, 11:28 AM
I have to agree with most here I have hunted over 45 years and the 30-06 is the largest caliber I have ever hunted with and own. I can hunt bear with a 220 grain bullet, or varmint with a 110 or 125 grain. Biggest dear I've taken was with a 125 gr remington core-lokt. For long range plinking a 165 gr or will get you over 1000 yards.

usmc1371
August 21, 2010, 03:04 PM
Get the 300! you want it enough to ask a bunch of total strangers if you should get it so that in my mind says you should get one. I really don't think you need a brake on a 300wm unless the gun don't fit you or is very light. Or you really wan't to shoot more than a box of shells off the bench at one time. I went from my 06 to a 300wm almost 10 years ago and havn't looked back. Taken elk, deer, coyote, bear, and some rabbits and such and I really like it. My 300 is a ruger all weather so its pretty heavy gun and IMHO it ain't bad to shoot but I would not consider it great for extended bench shooting sessions.
I have had great luck with 180 NP's in the fedral factory loading, not the cheapest but puts the critters down. I killed plenty of deer and elk with the 06 and to be honest at the ranges I "normaly" shoot animals ie less than 300yds the 06 and 300 leave the same hole. The one time I was really glad I was shooting the 300 was a last day shot at a 6 point bull down hill and facing almost away at 340 yds. I hit the bull just in front of the right hip and broke the front left shoulder, lots of penetration. Would the 06 or a 270 have done the same thing? Maybe. But I don't think the extra power hurt anything in that case.

browningguy
August 21, 2010, 03:42 PM
I certainly think so, but then again I like .30's. I currently have hunting rifles in .308 (1), 30-06 (3) and .300 Winny (1). I guess I like the '06 best but when you want to throw heavy slugs (180-220Gr.) the .300 does it just a little better.

But to be honest if something can't be killed with a .270 you should probably just go with the .338.

PT1911
August 21, 2010, 04:38 PM
Well, my 270 is a Weatherby VGX delux topped with a Leupold VXIII and is very capable (3/4 inch groups with Rem Core Lokt ammo,) but with its Fancy wood stock, tapered barrel, and internal box mag, I just dont see putting the necessary modifications to it (in my mind anyway) to make it a long range paper thumper...I guess I could always do the 270 Weatherby or rebarrel it into a .280... ideas ideas....


Y'all do make a good point that with the 338 fed, I will have a hell of a bruiser capable of taking whatever, wherever at moderate distances.... It could definitely take anything in Alabama (As could my 270, 223, or even Puma 92 in 45 colt) but that is beside the point as I have every intention of hunting the larger game that other states offer.

I will add that the .260 is another cartridge that has me chewing at the bit....

Zak Smith
August 21, 2010, 09:58 PM
.300WM is a great medium and long range game cartridge.

Redneck with a 40
August 22, 2010, 10:22 AM
30-06 will do everything you want to do out to 300 yards. Beyond that, its an unethical shot for most hunters, as they don't practice nearly as much as most shooter's do. Plus, the ammo is much cheaper and it won't beat the crap out of you.

elorenzo
August 22, 2010, 11:41 AM
Well I have to agree with the first reply you got the 30-06 will do anything t big 300 will do and with a broader bullet selection yes I did say the 06 will do what the big 300 will do tje latter shoots flatter has more recoil and the ammo is more xpensive the 200 fps that you get from the big 300 is not worth tje price of ammo and before I stary a huge debate I own 2. 30-6. And two. 300 win mags just remember that most of us do not posses the ability to make 500 yard shots so make sure to place the bulleyt in the vitals. And remember that both guns are capable of taking game beyond 500 yds whuch ever you decide to buy will work well. Good luck and happy hunting

redneckdan
August 22, 2010, 11:50 AM
My thoughts are that to see any worth while gain over the .270 you'd have to step up to a medium bore, something like the .338 win mag. Ya, a .300 win mag does put out more than a .270 but is it enough for you to justify the cost of another rifle, optics, reloading tooling...etc....? Another benefit of the medium bores is that they can use 'non-premium' bullets just fine for just about anything in north america. that is just my .02

elorenzo
August 22, 2010, 12:18 PM
Very well said redneck dan totally agree

jon86
August 22, 2010, 01:18 PM
I also agree with redneck dan. 338 and up. Maybe consider a 45-70?

Aaron2091
August 22, 2010, 02:34 PM
Easy answer.....just use your .270 for everything less than bears/bison and use the .338 you are planning on building for the big stuff.

PT1911
August 22, 2010, 02:45 PM
I also agree with redneck dan. 338 and up. Maybe consider a 45-70?

No worries, that is definitely in the works too.. I just have to decide which gun I want to get... I am tempted by the Marlin Guide Gun, but I am leaning towards the Buffalo Classic. Lucky me, just one more thing to eventually decide!!!

I suppose there are worse problems to have.

LoonWulf
August 22, 2010, 02:55 PM
Much worse, atleast these problems can be fun :D

My heavy rifle right now is a .300wm, It used to be a 7rem mag, but i wore out its barrel and have a huge pile of .30 cal bullets sitting one my bench from a friend. Ive never been keen on the .270 (tho it IS a good round id youll never here me bash it) so im in the process of restoring a sporterized 1903 in 06 for my girlfriend, she isnt keen on the recoil of 300. I think its a fine cartridge, and in know people say there aint no such thing a deader then dead, but there is such a thing as deader quicker, and having used both on axis deer (150-300lbs) i can say the .300 hits hard and makes bigger holes. This might not be a good thing mind you LOL. Also, reloading gives a bunch of options. i use 125gr BST on a minimum charger of 4895 for goats and a full charge for 4350 and a 180gr sst for deer. Overkill im sure but i neither like, nor am i good at tracking wounded game.

redneckdan
August 22, 2010, 08:28 PM
I have a buffalo classic. Shoots good, kicks like a mule especially when you wind them up. I may be interested in selling it. I had a guide gun then a cowboy, traded them both off. I've had a CZ-550 in .375 H&H for just over a year now. Definitely my favorite rifle. I've used it on everything from a squirrel to a sick cow.

PT1911
August 23, 2010, 01:53 AM
I appreciate the input Loonwulf and reneckdan...

Not sure what it is about the Buffalo classic I am so interested in... just a lingering interest i guess....

I can pretty much tell y'all what will happen, i will build the 338 fed, buy the 300 win mag (just to have my long and short range big gun basis covered,) buy a 25-06 and 45-70 somewhere in there as well, and then rebarrel my 270 into a 280 just for the hell of it...

can i get any more complicated!?

Redneckdan, you shot a squirrel with a 375 H&H? Was it at least a fat squirrel? LOL

Uncle Mike
August 23, 2010, 12:30 PM
If you load the 165 grain projectile in a .30-06 to 3,100 FPS, in effect, you have a .300 Win Mag (in terms of end performance).

Hornady Superformance.....

Point is, if your shooting the 30-06, and just have to have 'magnum' performance(300 Win.Mag.) you can use the Hornady Superformance 30-06 165gr.SST, p/n 81153, this stuff is a whisker less than a 'standard' loaded 300 Winchester Mag.

Seems though a lot of rifles do not favor the Hornady Superformance as well as the older, and now discontinued, 'Light Magnum' Hornady ammo.

Nothing wrong with the 300 Winchester Magnum cartridge, my position on this is that... you buy it! It's not going to cause you any heartache if you do, but it may if you don't! hehehehe

And you could use Remington 'Managed Recoil' ammo....p/n 27648.

CB900F
August 23, 2010, 12:43 PM
PT1911;

Several years ago, I put my money where my mouth is. I had a .30-06 I'd used for hunting for years & it was and is fine. But, I could afford it so I started looking for something more. After all the crunching & perusing, arguing with buddies, and catalog reading I decided on the .338 Winchester magnum.

Take a look at the B/C's & Sectional densities of the bullets available, it'll "do" anything long range you ask it to, if you put in the range time. Having shot both, I feel comfortable stating it doesn't recoil much different than a .300 Winchester magnum either. My rifle, though a hunting gun, shows me outstanding accuracy at distances I don't want to take game at. And it'll drop anything in this half of the world & most of the rest.

Or, as other people have sorta mentioned, you can go to a good 6.5mm. But go to the original 6.5 X 55mm Swedish Mauser. True, the .260 is almost as good, but then you get tied to Remington. It's no fun being green.

:D 900F

Wood Man
August 23, 2010, 02:42 PM
I have a Browning BAR in 300 WIN MAG. Nice gun, does have a thump to it. Especially when you bump fire it, LOL.......:D

TexasPatriot.308
August 23, 2010, 06:37 PM
No you dont need it, but if you got the money spend it.

Bearhands
August 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
I say buy it..... and maybe 10 more off the used rifle shelves in most any gunshop I've been in. That'll give more room for other fun things!

Txhillbilly
August 23, 2010, 08:49 PM
You may not need the 300WM,but I love shooting mine.
I also like my 25/06,270,308,and 30/06.

You just can't have too many calibers to choose from,especially if you reload.

jbkebert
August 23, 2010, 08:58 PM
Another you are certainly not out gunned with a .270. Hey I own both a .270 and a .300 win mag. I have not use for a 30/06 since it does not gain really anything over a .270 and the .300 win is a great rifle. As a whole my .270 win has taken 20-25 deer, 2 black bears, 3 elk, 1 caribou, 3 pronghorn. Shots were taken from 50 yards to around 350 yards. All of them fell with a single well placed shot. I have not hunted brown bears or moose but I don't think I would hesitate in the least to carry my .270 with the proper load.

Big Bill
August 23, 2010, 09:30 PM
If you reload, buy the 300 WSM. The belted 300 WM is more difficult to reload. I have one for big game. My regular deer rifle is a 25-06.

redbullitt
August 24, 2010, 01:20 AM
That would be a fine rifle to add IMHO.
I have cut my magazine down to .22 LR, .223, .308, .338 Lapua.
I feel like I have all my bases covered.

BUT I really like the 260... Great ballistics and a lot less recoil....

decisions decisions lol. Just comes down to what you want! They will all work haha.

Rokman
August 24, 2010, 10:52 AM
You probably don't need one, but I would look at the Savage 16FHSAK which is a weather warrior with the brake if you decide that you have to have one. I sold a Browning A-bolt that had a brake and it was a real screamer. I have a Winchester Model 70 without the brake, but I rarely shoot it because I don't feel the need for magnum power for what I hunt.

DRYHUMOR
August 24, 2010, 07:06 PM
There is a fine line between need and want.....

Mr. T
August 25, 2010, 12:33 AM
I personally think that a 30.06 would be more than enough gun to do what you would want to do for longer ranges with adequate knock down for larger game. The .270 you already have though is a very good long range weapon in it's own right and can take anything in North America as well. But like someone else said if you really want the .300 WM then go ahead and get it; life is too short...you should get what you want.

Girodin
August 25, 2010, 01:16 AM
I noticed that I am missing a large game rifle... largest I have is a 270 win...

What are you planning to hunt in terms of large game? and at what distances? I have the antlers of a large bull elk that fell where he stood courtesy of a .270. It was not a one of incident either and that gun is responsible for some of his elk friends joining him in elk heaven.

The .270 is plenty at the ranges that the vast vast majority of people can ethically hunt at. Those that can do so at longer ranges know their equipment well and have no question about what they need to get the job done.

The only game in N.A. I'd question using a .270 for is Big Bears and Bison. If you can afford a big bear hunt then buying a gun in advance just for the occasion is probably not an issue.

If Africa in on your agenda then again you might have need of more rifle.

That said I'm with the if you want to get it then get it crowd. I want a .375 H&H I have no real need, but then if need dictated all my gun purchases I would likely have a fewer guns. Sometimes want is plenty good enough.

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