Rifle shopping


Ruger GP100 fan
August 21, 2010, 12:54 PM
I've read several places that the 25-06 is a good target rifle and gives less recoil than other calibers. Can someone tell me about this round and a good entry-level gun to buy. I got a quote of $279 +tax for a new Savage 18910. Anyone own this gun and your opinions on it? Due to shoulder injuries and surgeries I'm left with very little upper body strength and "tender" shoulders. What would you go with? My son-in-law has a 7mm and loves target shooting and I love reloading but just own a GP100 for now. His 7mm nearly knocked me over,thus my interest in the 25-06.

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August 21, 2010, 05:11 PM
If your shoulder is as bad as you sasy, you might want to consider a .243 Win instead.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 21, 2010, 06:12 PM
It has been my understanding (maybe incorrectly)that a 25-06 has less recoil than a .243.

August 21, 2010, 06:18 PM
I don't understand why you want a long-action hunting cartridge for a "target rifle."

Get a flat-top AR-15.

You won't even notice the recoil.

I REALLY don't understand why SIL thinks 7mm Mag is a target cartridge.

I guess you CAN nail shoe-molding with two-pound hammer, but why would you want to?

.223 will hold Minute Of Angle out to 600 yards without any difficulty.

If you are on a hard budget, I'm sure you can get a cheap .223 bolt gun for the same money that you can get a cheap gun chambered in a long-action big game cartridge.

The Lone Haranguer
August 21, 2010, 06:25 PM
A target rifle? If your target is a deer, pronghorn or similar size game animal at long range, the .25-06 is one of the best. While its recoil is not heavy, it is still a high velocity cartridge and might be borderline for your shoulder injuries. If you just want to shoot at long range paper targets, something like a .223 Remington will have the range and accuracy without beating you up.

gun guy
August 21, 2010, 07:13 PM
the 25 cals were all the rage till the 243 came out. It just seems to fill the niche better than the 25's. The main reason is the availablity of cheap brass for the 243, although brass for the 25 06 is still around by the buckets as well. As to felt pain, try to fire both before buying either.

August 21, 2010, 07:20 PM
If your gonna load it you could still go .308 and light load. The 25-06 is a great round but I wouldn't use it for target shooting. Its a fast flat shooting round but you can work the 308 to the recoil of the 25-06 with 100 or 125 gr bullets and I think the heaviest you can get for the 06 is 117gr

Ruger GP100 fan
August 21, 2010, 09:48 PM
Thanks for the responses. I'll check out used 223s in my area first,then look at new.
My SIL likes shooting big,heavy rounds. Just more fun,he says. I get his point...I'd rather shoot magnums through my 357 than 38s,especially if I'm all alone at the range. I just love the sound of a fully loaded 357 round. A spillover from my passion for CH3NO2,I suppose.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 22, 2010, 02:52 AM
Both .223 and .243 have been suggested. What are the major differences,advantages over the other?
I shot what I think was either a .223 or a .243 at the range today. The guy in the next lane had a better screwdriver than I had on me and helped me get the GP100 sighted in a little better. One thing lead to another and we wound up trading guns for 2 or 3 rounds. I had some loaded to the max rounds in mine with 296 powder. He shot it twice and handed it right back saying it was just too much gun. His,on the other hand was an assault-type gun with a short barrel that I couldn't hit a thing with. Don't want anything like that for target shooting. If I'm going to remove a 25-06 from the list I'd like to understand why a little more than I've read here so far. Low recoil&flat trajectory seem like ideal characteristics for target shooting. I'll be straight out honest with the membership that until 4 months ago when I bought my GP100 I had never owned a gun. Then I got into reloading ammo for my 357 and enjoy that as much as shooting. I know absolutely nothing about rifles,though I fired my son-in-law's 7mm once and a 30-06 once belonging to a friend of his. Is it reloading cost? Which is cheaper to reload of the .223 and the .243? I do not doubt the opinions of those giving the 25-06 a thumbs down. After all,I've been in this game a very short while....I'd just like to understand why I'm walking away from it. Thank you for your help,everyone.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 22, 2010, 03:10 AM


How about some opinions on this gun. This gun will not be used for hunting. Strictly a target rifle. Like to get your opinions.

And this looks like a lot of gun for the price,but is it.....?


My budget is closer to $400 than $500(gift certificate at a local gun shop)

August 22, 2010, 03:18 AM
The Edge is pretty new to the market, so information on them is still a bit scarce, as are accessories. In the same price range, you can get a Stevens 200, which is just a standard Savage with cheaper furniture and no Accutrigger. There are plenty of accessories available for the Stevens if you ever want to perform any upgrades.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 24, 2010, 02:13 AM
I was at a gun shop today and the manager explained to me why a 25-06 would be a bad choice and he agreed with you guys that a .223 with a bull barrel would be just the ticket,but he said new I'd have to lay out nearly a grand for rifle and scope. He told me,in his opinion,he would not recommend buying a scope for less than $300 and if I went with a Savage I should move up to models with acutrigger. Then he showed me a used gun the he said he sure wished was a 223 and not a 30-06 because he thought it would be the perfect gun for what I want. He took it in on consignment and said the kit would run around $1200 new. The owner had $750 on it. Maybe with a cushy shoulder pad.... Actually,I'm thinking I could handle 10 rounds at a time OK. It sure was a pretty gun! He also pointed out that reloading .223 is cheaper than most other calibers,and I have fallen in love with reloading.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 24, 2010, 02:18 AM
W.E.G,his 7mm is new and will be a hunting gun,as well. I,on the other hand,do not hunt. I'm looking for just a good target rifle.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 24, 2010, 09:13 AM
Can't get that 30-06 with scope I looked at yesterday out of my mind. Is that round any good for shooting paper? And,how does 30-06 compare to .223 on price to reload? Can anyone suggest I really good recoil pad for the 30-06? I won't really be able to afford to shoot it much,so I'm wishful thinking I could handle it without doing more harm to my shoulder. Can I get some feedback?

August 24, 2010, 11:50 AM
Whatever your price range was for the .25-06, you can do a .223 the same and will be happy. You don't have to get a $1000+ setup, but remember that you typically get what you pay for.

I REALLY like my .25-06, but if you are only punching paper there is no need and a .223 sounds perfect for you (especially considering the recoil issue). Just look around and you will find a nice bolt action and can match it with a nice scope. The .223 is so popular that eveone makeing rifles makes something in it.

August 24, 2010, 01:09 PM
Ruger, the .25-06 and the .30-06 use the same size case except for the neck of course.

They are longer and therefore have more powder volume than cartridges made for short actions like .223.

The .223 will have very mild recoil, the .25-06 will have significant recoil. Unless shooting over 500 yards the .223 will make a MUCH better range gun.

The other choices are great for hunting or long range, but overkill and overpainful for your needs.

August 24, 2010, 01:45 PM
At what distances are you going to be shooting? If less than 500 yards, get something in a .223. Cheap to shoot/reload for, nearly non-existent recoil, etc.

Buying a 30.06 for a target gun with shoulder injuries? Well I'd say you deserve the pain if you choose that one! :)

I have a bolt-action .223 that I love to shoot...can shoot it all day due to what I described above.

As far as cost...you get what you pay for...you could have a lot of fun with a $350 rifle and a $150 scope for your first rifle. You chould also spend more if you want more serious optics...but don't think you have to spend $1K+.

Hope that helps.

Aren't we all
August 24, 2010, 02:33 PM
Well if you are just going to be target shooting why not get a caldwell lead sled? I was reading an article on the .458 socom and the author used one so he could test fire it after a rotating cuff injury and it worked pretty well even with the hot 300 grain loads. Then you could shoot anything you want.

August 24, 2010, 05:18 PM
GP100 fan,

I'll go down the list with what has been talked about so far, first the 25-06. The 25-06 is sometimes called the .25 magnum because it's a very stout and high velocity round. It also will eat powder at an alarming rate.
A 30-06 is a great round for shooting from 100 yards to 1000 yards but in a light weight rifle it will pound the crap out of you shooting from the bench. This will be no fun for you at all. Even in a heavy target rifle the 30-06 gets a bit too much. It's rare to find a target shooter using this cartridge anymore even though it does everything really well. The reason is simply too much recoil.
The .243 is an excellent choice until you get to extreme ranges. With a custom twist barrel and heavy bullets, 1000 yards is no problem but in the standard twist your range will be limited. It's still a good one to consider, it's a good all around gun.
Now the 223. This is a fun cartridge. Easy on the shoulder, and easy and cheap to handload. It has the same limitations as the .243 but it's cheaper to load. Most sporting rifles are accurate in this chambering. For a first rifle you can't go wrong with this one.

Thanx, Russ

Ruger GP100 fan
August 24, 2010, 09:01 PM
Well I found the gun I want,bought it and pick up in the morning. It's a 22-250 Ruger M77 Mark II with a Weaver V16 4-16X scope. Can't find primers or bullets,but a gentleman who was listening in on the shop owner and I talking told me he'd bring me 100 pieces of brass that I can get when I pick up the gun...free of charge!!! Said he just no longer shoots that round. What a kind gesture. I sure hope an occasion comes along when I can return the kindness. But that still left me with no ammo for the gun tomorrow. On my way home I stopped in at another gun shop and they had no reload stuff but had a single box of factory rounds. Must have been the only box anywhere in my area. $30 for 20 rounds,but at least I now have some. And I bought all of the equipment needed to reload them. I'm ecstatic! I can take my new gun to the range in the morning and the temps are supposed to be much cooler. I about had a heat stroke shooting my .357 this morning. Can't wait until tomorrow.
I'd like to get some of your thoughts on my choice of gun/caliber. It is a target rifle with a bull barrel...just what I was hoping to find.

August 24, 2010, 11:09 PM
The .22-250 Rem is a blistering round! Whatever target you hit with that velocity, well, it won't stand much chance of needing a second plugging. The recoil should be very mild for you. Post some pictures when you have time.

By the way, I hear you about the recoil issues...I've had 47 surgeries since my 1995 auto accident. I really like my Rem M700 Police .308 Win. It weighs in around 18 pounds scoped and loaded. Talk about zero recoil. :cool: Good luck! :)


Ruger GP100 fan
August 25, 2010, 12:08 AM
Thanks,Geno,and I'll post pictures but maybe not til after I make a trip to the range. And,yes,the store manager said recoil will be just slightly more than a .223. He was convinced from the start that this gun was just what I needed. As for the shoulders,I can barely lift 2 lbs. straight out to the side. My surgeon said he'd advise against lifting weights to build up my upper body...that I'd only cause the cuffs he fixed to become inflamed and my muscles would develop in weird ways trying to compensate for the dead muscles . The good side is that I have no pain at all in my left shoulder and only minor pain on the right,if I over use them. Better than what I had before...lots of pain and no strength,either. Ain't getting old a bear?
That's a lot of time being under the knife. You must have really gotten beat up!

Ruger GP100 fan
August 25, 2010, 12:17 AM
Could I hear from a few more of you?

August 25, 2010, 01:58 AM

You are good to go with the 22-250. You can load it down just a little bit and it makes a fine shooter.

Thanx, Russ

August 25, 2010, 02:43 AM
Could I hear from a few more of you?

From everything I've heard, the Ruger 77 Mark II is a real shooter. .22-250 should be super accurate up to 400 yards...farther if there is no wind.

August 25, 2010, 03:42 AM
for paper targets, 223 rem up to 300 metres, 380 win to 1 km.
price and availability can't be beaten on those two and for paper punching, you want to shoot many rounds, so price is important.

those calibers in the right gun will outshoot almost anyone.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 25, 2010, 10:44 AM
On my way out the door to pick up my 22-250. I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

August 25, 2010, 10:50 AM
I know the OP is going to get his new 22-250 (congrats btw), but I didn't see anybody bring up the .204 Ruger. I hope to get a Savage in .204 very soon.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 26, 2010, 11:26 PM
The next day when I picked up the Ruger I found a box of factory ammo,took the gun to the range and pretty much spent the $30 trying to dial in the scope. Last night I reloaded the 20 cases and took it back to the range today. I had to take a 50yd lane a short while. A 100yd lane opened up in about 15 minutes and I grabbed it. Shot the gun right out of the case and did not touch the scope setting. Targets probably won't impress anyone here,but it felt so good firing ammo I made.

Ruger GP100 fan
August 26, 2010, 11:32 PM
Cases trimmed and 50gr Nosler Ballistic Tips seated to OAL,34.5gr Varget .

August 27, 2010, 12:05 AM
If you have the money and like to tinker, you can try different powders and bullets and load up a range, from minimum load to maximum load. Maybe try some heavier bullets or lighter bullets....different brands. I've always had great luck with Sierra Match King/Game King and Blitz King.

Great looking gun

Ruger GP100 fan
August 27, 2010, 12:35 AM
Don't have the money but am going to tinker,anyway...even if I have to sell one of my other toys. I love reloading and the 20 rounds of 22-250 took me probably 8 or 9 hours,but I went very slow and careful,with no one else around using Varget's starting load and my reloading book and,of course,the internet. That first round had me a little uneasy about firing,but nothing got blown up. These are my first rifle reloads and I get great satisfaction knowing that thing that just left my barrel was of my own making. I have 100 pieces of brass coming my way very soon and I can't wait to get started. I would like to get into seating by using the shoulder in the barrel instead of by COAL,but that may take me a while.
I still can't get over how gentle this thing is on the body. Easy street!

Ruger GP100 fan
August 27, 2010, 12:41 AM
WoW6599,my son-in-law bought a Savage 204 last fall and loves it. My experience with guns is very limited and that bull barrel on his 204 seemed very weird. I don't think I'd use it as a stand and shoot gun...nor would I my 22-250.

August 28, 2010, 12:15 AM
Glad to here that you are happy with your .22-250. I think you made a good choice. My experience with handloading the .22-250 have been great with Varget, RL15 and H380.

August 28, 2010, 12:20 AM
My dad is a big fan of IMR 3031 and IMR 4064. Use it in most of our rifle loads.

August 28, 2010, 12:44 AM
Get a 308 and put a brake on it if your really worried about recoil. Many shooters can shoot a 308 a considerable amount of rounds with no pain, but if you feel compelled to relieve all recoil, get a brake. It will make the recoil close to a 22. It's not expensive to reload 308 and it's an excellent cartridge to really learn how to shoot.

As for the rifle, if your looking for something cheap and decent to shoot, the Stevens 200 or Weatherby Vanguard are right around your price range.

August 28, 2010, 10:29 AM
I hope you like the Ruger in 22-250. I would have gone with either 223 or 243 myself and chose something other than Ruger. I'm not a Ruger centerfire rifle fan overall. But that is what you have gotten and I hope it shoots up to your standards. The 22-250 is a good long range caliber and very good for varmints at ranges beyond 100 yds.

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