[AmericanFreeBird]

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. Winston Curchill

[Don Gwinn]

You mean, is there any rally I would attend? Yes.

Would I attend any rally advertised as a "pro gun rally?" No.

It's got to be credible, it's got to be peaceful, and it'd be nice if it were organized enough to keep the Aryan Nations from setting up a booth.

[Harry Tuttle]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52876

[AmericanFreeBird]

Don,

I was thinking of trying to start organizing it here on THR and other pro-rights web sites.

I couldn't guarentee that the aryan nation won't use it as an excuse, even if they're jerks, it's still a free country.

Well organized it probably would be and definately peaceful and, this time at least, unarmed as DC has a problem with armed citizens.

The point being is to attempt all peaceful means to regain our lost rights first. Then it's up to each person what they choose to do next if and when all non-violent means have failed.

AFB

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Well organized it probably would be and definately peaceful and, this time at least, unarmed as DC has a problem with armed citizens.

I think not. Who is guaranteeing my security? Why not have a remote rally in a gun-friendly state that will benefit D.C.?

I crossed the Mississippi quite a few years ago, and will not go back, except maybe to other states with freedom and liberty, such as Tennessee:D

[AmericanFreeBird]

Who said Liberty guarenteed your safety 7.62?

And you're part of the problem IMHO.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

You are inviting people who have taken responsibility for their own security into a capital of the nanny state where no handguns are allowed. I do not know about long guns. Washington D.C has the highest, or second highest, murder rate in the country.

And you're part of the problem IMHO. :barf:

You know, I made a suggestion that you "organize" a protest in a gun-friendly state. How am I part of the problem? In fact, you do not even state where you are located. AFAIK, you may live there.

:neener:

[Werewolf]

Unless you could get a couple hundred thousand people to attend along with some big name celebrities and politicians to speak you might as well piss in the wind for as much good as it would do.

The press would ignore any pro 2A rally that wasn't really, really big and attended by famous and influential people - hell the press might ignore it anyway. At best it would get a few pargraphs on page 10 of the front section of a few newspapers.

[Harry Tuttle]

Some of you are a tad silly with your fear of DC's crime problem.
Especially on a weekend, 2 blocks from the White House.

There is going to be another anti MMM rally this coming mothersday (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52876)

i expect maybe 17 THR folk to show
and prolly 50,000 MMMers

its so much easier to stay home and stock up on kevlar SHTF supplies

[AmericanFreeBird]

I'm pretty sure we could get Rep. Ron Paul, Mr. Lott (of More Guns Less Crime), and a few others of equal or lesser notariety but it looks as though we'd probably get the usual 152 or so, mostly locals, and there'd be no funds.

Get ready to perish one by one then, may your chaines rest lightly on you.

[TarpleyG]

Wouldn't really matter if only 17 THR'ers showed up as long as we could pitch in with another group, like SAS. At least we'd be contributing something.

GT

[Harry Tuttle]

what i would love to see would be
Ted Nugent giving a free concert on the Mall the day of the MMM

now that would be a counterpoint on the CBS news

http://ladyliberty-2000.tripod.com/images/sas-aimm6.jpg

[gulogulo1970]

Sorry, too far and I'm too poor.

Now let's say it was a Constitutional convention and the very right was at stake. Well, I would go. Anything less and I'll let the pro-gun lobby fight the battles and I'll use the ballot box.

[Sean Smith]

The problem with organizing a Pro- 2nd Ammendment demonstration is that, unlike other groups that frequently stage protests, we generally have a job. :D

[Brett Bellmore]

Unless they did something really stupid, and held it on Mother's day. :rolleyes: She's 80, and I've got a dinner date.

[Barbara]

Yep, I'd do it. Again.

[DragonRider]

Simple, have it in VA across the river from DC, in part, to draw that in DC it is Illegal for basically all people to be armed. Just an idea. I live about 30 mins out of DC and would be happy to attend.

John

[MikeK]

Definitely - since I live in the area. I attended the first SAS rally and it was great. I think the one scheduled for 2004 is just the answer to what you're looking for.

Unfortunately, the first one only had 3,000 - 5,000 participants. The MMM's had far fewer than the 700,000 or whatever they claimed, but we were still vastly outnumbered. Search TFL for numbers, gun-fucious (aka Drzox on TFL) had some good analysis.

As far as objections to being in DC - B.S. Where else are you going get as much publicity?

Hopefully I'll see some f you there.

[geegee]

I'm in, and I'll be using some frequent flyer miles to help pay for a room (which I'll be glad to share with a THR'er who can't afford it), and I'll help with the driving and maybe take my car.

Road trip!!!!! :what: :D geegee

[brookstexas]

Washington DC, dangerous as Baghdad and I can't protect myself on the visit. Have it somewhere else!

[Chris Rhines]

DC as dangerous as Baghdad? Don't be silly.

Done it before, would do it again, but I'm not going to have anything to do with a rally that doesn't have at least a bit of organization.

- Chris

[nico]

I would definitely be willing to attend a rally, but definitely not on mother's day. . . since I have a mother and all. :)

[Harry Tuttle]

well the SAS has a permit for Liberty Plaza on Mothersday 2004

the MMM have permits holding just about the entire DC mall for that weekend

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http://www.2asisters.org/SAFER/

The Second Amendment Sisters (SAS)
_SAFER RALLY,
_Second Amendment Freedoms for Everyone Rally
on Mother’s Day 2004.

_How to organize a bus

How to organize a bus for the Second Amendment Freedoms for Everyone Rally (SAFER) in Washington, D.C. on Mother’s Day May 9, 2004


1.____ Contact a local bus company.

·_______ Tell them the date of departure and return (depending upon the distance you have to travel) and that your event starts at 11am on May 9th and will be done by 4pm (gives you some leeway).

·_______ Destination is Washington, DC-on or near the Mall (This depends upon more space opening up closer to the date. Currently we have the Freedom Plaza reserved, but expect that to change.)

·_______ Insist on a bus with a restroom if your travel time is longer than 2 hours.

·_______ Do NOT get a bus with video screens, unless it is a freebie. This usually increases the cost of a bus.

·_______ Get a firm price for the bus, as well as the amount for the deposit._

2.____ Contact local guns shops or sportsman's clubs to be a sponsor.__

·_______ The sponsor will sign for the bus, pay the deposit and cover the cost of any unused seats._ Only get one sponsor to keep it simple.

·_______ Figure out the cost of each seat by dividing the cost of the bus by the number of bus seats minus one (your seat is free to help offset your time, money, and effort invested in organizing the bus). Example:_ The bus has 41 seats and costs $830.__ You divide $830 by 40 (remember, your seat is free!), which equals $20.75 per seat._ Round it up to $21.00 to keep the accounting simple. There will not be any refunds to avoid potential accounting confusion._

3.____ Have people make their checks out to the sponsor._ Give the checks to the sponsor and get a receipt stating the person's name, check number, phone number and address, and have the sponsor sign the receipt showing that they received payment for the bus seat._ Keep the receipt!!! When a bus is filled the sponsor will have all of their money back and they can then sponsor the second bus.... and then the third bus.... etc. This way the sponsor is never responsible for any more than the cost of one bus._ DO NOT reserve bus seats without payment!!_

Very IMPORTANT-ask a volunteer to be a Bus Captain, especially if you are going to have more than one bus. The Bus Captain will be responsible for counting heads and making sure no one gets left behind. Provide the Bus Captain with a roster of the people assigned to that bus, cell phone numbers for any of the people, as well as for the other Bus Captains. One Bus Captain in your group should be responsible for taking any phone calls regarding reserving a seat, as well as making up the roster for each bus to ensure that all the seats are sold.

Overnighters-Please check with the bus company as to how they handle things if you have to stop for the night on the trip._

ADVERTISE YOUR BUS!

Advertise the SAFER and your bus by posting flyers on community bulletin boards, in stores, in libraries, and any public place. Hand it out at work, put them in gun shops, and post it at sportsmen's clubs. Post it everywhere!!_ There will be SAS flyers available for download on the SAS website.

* Be sure to print the contact information for your bus at the bottom of the flyer before getting it printed.

OTHER HINTS

If there are a small number of people left after the buses are filled, organize a car pool to follow the buses to Washington, D.C._ Try to have maps available for the car pool to borrow in case they get separated from the buses...which will definitely happen in Washington, D.C.

If the bus can leave from a mall parking lot it is helpful._ Bathrooms and restaurants are available._ Ask permission from the store or mall owner._ Wal-Mart is very gracious in allowing us to use their remote parking lot.

Also, check on our dedicated web page for others in your area that are looking for a ride, your bus may be able to pick up a few more passengers along the way!

[BHPshooter]

I don't know about DC. But I'd go if it were held in a place where I could strap on my iron. [I'm 19, for the record, so that ought to give you some idea of the kind of place it would have to be at. Maybe private property?]

Wes

[grampster]

I would probably attend a rally if it were held in the heartland of middle America. Why? Because I like preaching to the choir. Go look at the red/blue map from the election. Why go into the lion's den, he's gonna eat you whether he likes you or not. The choir will assemble and sing a good tune.
It's the hearltland that supports American values. (That's work, family, brotherhood, faith, honesty, rule of law and personal responsibility, imho)So lets rally where it really means something to real people, not teat sucking sheeple.

PS Let's do it when it's warm.

:cool:
grampster

[Bob Locke]

I've been to a couple of rallies in D.C., and my mom-in-law lives in Annandale, VA, just SW of there. I could make a trip of it with the wife and kids, I suppose.

But I also like the idea of having a rally in a gun-friendly state. Maybe just across the river in Virginia, for instance. Or how does Pennsylvania rate?

[Derek Zeanah]

Nope.

Don't believe it'll help our cause in the slightest -- any press coming from it will be bad press.

Not worth the effort. Would rather spend my resources on something like this site.

[FPrice]

I voted "Yes" even though it would be a difficult thing for me to arrange. I live within a day's driving distrance so that is not a problem. It would mean trying to find the time and putting other immediate responsibilities off in order to do something I feel would be supportive of my rights.

[banzaijohn]

For what it would cost for me to fly to DC and attend a rally, plus lodging and food, I think the money is better spent on the NRA's PAC, SAF, RTKBA, etc. How many people do you know pay much attention to rallys? Get maybe 15 seconds of airtime and then what will happen? Some leftist butthole news anchor will call the attendees gun zealots and then will call for the extension of the AWB or some other feel good worthless law. The money is better spent on ridding the country of entrenched gun-grabbing politicians.