1911 question


PDA






stockpile
January 22, 2003, 07:02 PM
I've been shooting a p14.45 for that last two years and have no other experience with 1911's. I just recieved a springfield armory from my father for my birthday. On the p14 to insert the mag you just stick it in. On the springfield i can't insert a mag without depressing the mag release. Is this a problem? If designed this way why? How can it be fixed. I also have a harder time reaching the mag release on my springfield than my doublestack p14 this seems curious. What kind of extended mag release recommented?


Thanks
Stockpile.

If you enjoyed reading about "1911 question" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
Boats
January 22, 2003, 07:29 PM
For more detailed help I am afraid you'll have to give a more detailed description of the problem.

Does the magazine go in empty?

Does the magazine catch cut out on the mag look like it should?

Are you pushing it in hard enough to fully seat?

Is it a loaded eight round mag?

Does the mag catch button on the Springer feel more "stiff" to push in than on the Para? If so, you might check for burrs on the mag catch body and the frame cut out for the mag catch or consider snipping some coils off the mag catch spring to make it easier to move.

It could be a lot of things. Describe your problem better since we can't see it.

kalibear45
January 22, 2003, 11:59 PM
Single stack 1911s do get a little tight at first specially if its new...

So just slam the mag home dude.

The mag release is just that = a mag release. So you shouldn't have to use this to 'insert' a mag.

Diesle
January 23, 2003, 12:13 AM
Agreed., Slam it home. If it still wont seat, Send it to the Springfield shop.


Diesle

10-Ring
January 23, 2003, 12:25 AM
1911's have a slight break in period. It may just need some "gentle persuasion." If a few turns of insert/ release doesn't help solve your situation, bring it to a local dealer & have them check to see if it's truly a problem or just needs to be broken in.

sanchezero
January 23, 2003, 02:35 AM
If its a milspec, you REALLY have to whack it :D .

BigG
January 23, 2003, 09:34 AM
On a 45 mag, usually the finish wears off in a straight line above the mag release cutout.

Never heard of one being unduly hard to seat other than a slight resistance when it first encounters the catch?

Ebbtide
January 23, 2003, 10:20 AM
I'm certain (from the posts above) that I'm in minority, but you should not make a practice out of "slamming" the magazine in the gun like they do in hollywood.

The correct way (at least the way I've been taught by people I respect with 1911s) to insert a mag into a 1911 is to depress the release, then slide the lips of magizine past the release, release the botton, then slide it in to position firmly.

You will get some success slamming it home, but in the long haul you may need to change a worn mag catch. Not to mention that most failures come from magazine issues, such as: slamming the mag can make the rounds bounce and become misalligned and cause FTF, FTE, etc.

It does sound like it either needs to be broken in, or some work needs to done to the release catch (perhaps just some fine tuning).

Hope this helps, and please don't flame.

ehenz

Sean Smith
January 23, 2003, 10:51 AM
The mag is supposed to go in with some resistance. But if it is a case of needing a hammer to get it in without hitting the button, send it back to SA.

Archer
January 25, 2003, 12:12 AM
The correct way (at least the way I've been taught by people I respect with 1911s) to insert a mag into a 1911 is to depress the release, then slide the lips of magizine past the release, release the botton, then slide it in to position firmly.

I suppose that's possibly fine for a bullseye pistol. I have been taught differently.

You insert the magazine to half its length, extend the fingers of the support hand to harden the palm, and seat the magazine fully using a firm, swift motion. Keep it simple. Be decisive.

Gunner45
January 25, 2003, 12:41 AM
What archer said...................couldn't have said it better.:)

Gunner45

Jim Watson
January 25, 2003, 10:34 AM
If it is VERY hard to get past the catch, somebody who knows what he is doing can properly bevel the bottom of the catch.
Or you can replace the magazine catch for less than it would cost to air freight it back to SA. I have a couple of Brown "tacticals" that are a little taller to be easier to reach and are smooth in operation.

New_comer
January 25, 2003, 11:02 AM
Send it to me...


I'll know what to do with it! :D

shu
January 26, 2003, 10:33 AM
Have SA basic black (mil spec) 1911A1. I recall some poblems finding the mag not latched after doing a 'normal' mag insertion.

The floorplate of the mag is flush with the frame and grips of this pistol. When inserting the mag, the latch does not engage until the floor plate is 0.5mm into the frame. After the latch engages the mag backs out under spring pressure to rest with the floorplate extending 0.5mm beyond the frame.

When pushing the mag in with the palm (evan with the hard heel of the palm) insertion is stopped when the palm meets the frame and the mag may not latch.

With other autoloaders I have this is not a problem. The mag floorplate is wider than the mag body, and the floorplate is not flanked (or impeded) by the pistol frame.

A fellow shooter (who had gone to double wide 1911's) gifted me some pachmayr single stack mags which have a 5mm rubber pad riveted to the floor plate. These seat with no problem.

If you enjoyed reading about "1911 question" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!