New Scope for my .223


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52grain
August 21, 2010, 11:16 PM
So I'm looking at upgrading the scope on my .223. I use the gun primarily for punching paper at 100 yards. I have narrowed it down to two models the Leupold VX-3 Long Range Target 6.5-20x50 with the 30 mm tube which would be a match for the scope on my .308. The other is the Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x44 and the 4.5-14x50.

The Conquest only has a one inch tube, so is the 50mm objective worth the extra $50 and (most likely) taller mounts. There are several stores around here that carry Zeiss, but none of them have enough selection to be able to compare them side by side.

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taliv
August 21, 2010, 11:36 PM
Even if you double that to 200 yrds you don't need target turrets because you won't be more than two inches off between 50-200. The larger diameter tube gives you more adjustment range which you don't need. You can still shoot sub moa with a four power scope so the only thing I'd want 20x for at that range is in case a bug lands on your target and you want to splatter it. The 50mm objective gathers a lot of light. You can get by with much less. In fact I had to stop shooting white paper targets because they were blinding me on sunny days.

Leupold and zeiss make fine products but they both make cheaper products that will leave you plenty more for ammo

viking499
August 21, 2010, 11:40 PM
These are on sale right now, not either that you are looking for, but I have read good things about this brand......

http://www.midwayusa.com/Promotion/default.aspx?promotionid=373506&eblastid=82020103&custnum=101157657&utm_source=bigimage&utm_medium=special82020103

52grain
August 22, 2010, 12:24 AM
Leupold and Seuss make fine products but they both make cheaper products that will leave you plenty more for ammo

The nice thing about the Leupold that I have on my .308 is that a spotting scope is not necessary. The bullet holes (especially on white targets) show up clear as a bell.

If you have any suggestions, I'm all ears. I want side focus. Adjustable objective is OK, but I would rather not have paralax, because I do shoot at ranges other than 100 yards. I think 14x or 16x would probably be about right for max power.

52grain
August 22, 2010, 12:28 AM
What about this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=211906

Geno
August 22, 2010, 01:14 AM
I have an SWFA 10X on my Weatherby Vanguard Varmint Special in .223 Rem. See this thread for a sample target at 300 yards: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=537502 I was comparing 4 different heavy barreled varmint rigs.

Three of the groups were fired with Nightforce scopes. One group was fired with an SWFA 10X. It's kind of hard to tell the difference between the groups in terms of 300 yard accuracy.

The SWFA costs $299.00; the Nightforces cost around $1,650.00. Ponder those numbers a bit and the SWFA looks pretty good. Here is the SWFA link: http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-Scopes-C1719.aspx

Good luck, and let us know what you buy.

Geno

Highcaliber
August 22, 2010, 01:44 AM
Zeiss has superior crystal clear glass, made by Schott Glaswerke of Germany.
Leupold glass is from Japan or China or Korea.

Zeiss also has better tracking than Leupold. Box test is dead on. Also, no gear lash problems like the Leupold.

My experience with the Zeiss Conquest / Rapid Z reticle version has been impressive. So, given the two choices you mentioned, Zeiss is the "clear" winner IMHO.

When it comes to optics you get what you pay for. Rarely more and rarely less.

AR27
August 22, 2010, 05:39 PM
for your p.o.u i would reccomend millet dms

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