[natedog]

Using a semi-automatic (military pattern?) rifle of your choice, how quickly can you fire a 30 round magazine? No need to aim, just "spray-and-pray".

[Hkmp5sd]

With some practice, I'd guestimate you can "bump" fire at around 600-800 rpm.

[Dave R]

Without Bumping, just pulling the trigger fast, probably 10-15 seconds. 2-3 shots per second.

[000Buck]

Probably depends on the rifle. I find I can empty an AR15 magazine faster than my SAR1 magazine, I think it is part to do with the length of trigger and which one you practice with. Probably more on the practice. I would say I can shoot at least 4-5 per second with my AR, but they are going everywhere.

Are there any tips on bump firing on the internet anywhere? I know it is probably all practice, but it would be cool to get some tips.

[artherd]

I can pull 5-6/second with my 7400 in .30-06 thanks to the new 3lb trigger.

[Kaxter]

I am 2-3 rounds a second with just pulling the trigger, I cant get any faster than that at all...and heaven knows I have tried.:)

[Nightcrawler]

Not bump firing, but I can burn through a 20-rounder on the FAL pretty quick.

Did it kneeling once, and almost feel over backwards. Gotta lean into it; I was firing so fast I got knocked off balance.

Really toasted the old subwoofer we were shooting at, though. Thing just disappeared.

[yesterdaysyouth]

doesn't take much practice to bump fire, with an ak is the easiest... a nice light one is even better, saiga is good for bump firing, sar1 as well...

1. put thumb in trigger guard
2. put same thumb in front pocket
3. grab forearm with other hand
4. ease forward with forearm
5. hold on.... empty mag
6.:D

[Peter M. Eick]

About 2 seconds on my m1a.

Reach foward and drop the mag, yank the op rod back and lock it up.


Its now empty.....

[Wanderer]

I can empty an AK in abot 20 seconds, but that's after the thing is already burning my hand. :(

[Zak Smith]

Most people should be able to get shot-to-shot splits at about 0.20 seconds, easy. I think I've done some 0.12 second splits with my AR. Assuming it takes 0.4 seconds for the first trigger pull, then 29 additional 0.15 second splits, that's about 4.7 seconds for a 30 round mag.

By the way, I got these numbers using my shot timer while training for 3Gun.

-z

[goon]

Pretty damn fast.
My semi auto fire sounds like FA bursts.

[GD]

I can do about 4 rounds per second with my Mak90. Of course I can't hit anything at that speed!

[DMK]

No need to aim, just "spray-and-pray". Never even tried. What would be the point? It would only serve to waste good ammo and accererate wear on your barrel. :confused:

[Coltdriver]

I took my brother up to a public firing range in a national forest about a month ago.

We brought along my MAK 90 and my AR 15.

I had almost 1000 rounds of ammo with us, we did not manage to shoot all of it. But we did blast through about 500 or 600 rounds.

We tried just what you are talking about. Pulling the trigger as fast as we could to dump a magazine.

It is impressive how much firepower you can dump from the barrel of such a small gun. We were shooting at a hill about 120 yards away.

I could dump 30 rounds from the AK in about 12 seconds. Sounded for all the world just like a fully automatic weapon going off. My AK has been polished up internally and it is smooth and slick.

The AR was the same way. In fact you could shoot it a bit quicker as it was more easily controlled.

The really interesting contrast was that we brought along a couple of pistols. They seemed like little popguns compared to the AK and the AR.

As for controlling the fire, it was easily controlled to a degree. You were not going to nail a pie plate thirty times. But if you were wanting to suppress activity at the other end this would sure do it!

[geekWithA.45]

I just can't do it...I've tried.

Every time I decide I want to dump out a whole mag, just for poops & giggles, I can't NOT AIM.

Go figure.

[natedog]

DMK: You need to try, it's loads of fun! I doubt one magazine would kill your barrel or waist too much ammo :)

[000Buck]

The point is its entertaining to some people, like me. I use guns purely for entertainment purposes. It's kindof like shooting slugs at bowling pins, pointless but amusing at the same time.

[RobertHankins]

Pretty darn fast!

[ojibweindian]

Fast enough to miss. A lot.

[Edward429451]

With that double tap thing in the Mini which allows a shot on pull and a shot on release of the trigger, I can empty a 30 rounder in 5 or 6 seconds easy probably faster. Thing is, I dont do it anymore. Since I started trying to actively get better I slowed down and started hitting a lot more.

two shots per 1 to 1-1/2 seconds is a seriously deadly rate of fire, anything more is a waste of ammo. How's that saying go? "May all your enemies be on full auto" or something like that.

[natedog]

What device is that, and wouldn't that relegate the Mini-14 as a machine-gun? I believe the law reads that if you get more than one shot per pull and release of the trigger then it is a machine gun...

[Skunkabilly]

3 times faster than folks in the 49 other states :banghead:

[makdoddle]

With a Ruger Mini 14. Very Fast!!:D

[artherd]

LOL Skunk!

I in all seriousness can put about 90% of the rounds into a ~2' circle at 100yds pulling as fast as I can. (iron sights and/or sighting along the barrel, scope is useless for this kind of thing.)

That's actually pretty devistating. (they are .30-06 rounds too! Not that the .223 is wimpy of course. Because it isn't. I don't care what you people say. :P)

Why do it? It's fun as hell. I actually do 3 shot 'bursts' more. Also largely for grins.

With this gun I am back on a real target with the scope in 0.5-1.5 seconds or so (depends largely on range) thus aimed fire is of course the way to go.

[Hkmp5sd]

wouldn't that relegate the Mini-14 as a machine-gun?

No. It's just a trigger device mounted externally. The most common simply find the point where your trigger resets and the gun's recoil is enough to move the trigger, firing rounds. It is still one round per trigger pull, just a very short trigger pull.

[DMK]

DMK: You need to try, it's loads of fun! I doubt one magazine would kill your barrel or waist too much ammo I'm like geekWithA.45. I can't not aim. :D

Now shooting aimed fire as fast as you can, I can deal with. I've demolished many a tree stump that way.

[Edward429451]

wouldn't that relegate the Mini-14 as a machine-gun?

No. It's just a trigger device mounted externally. The most common simply find the point where your trigger resets and the gun's recoil is enough to move the trigger, firing rounds. It is still one round per trigger pull, just a very short trigger pull.

Actually, the device I have is mounted internally and came with a letter from BATF on letterhead stating that the device is legal in that it does not cause more than one shot to exit the barrel "by a single function of the trigger"

Pulling the trigger is one function and releasing the trigger is one function. If the trigger is pulled and held to the rear with the device installed (takes a bit of concentration & followthrough) it will only fire the one shot.

Actually it's detrimental to marksmanship. It's only real use is chits & giggles, or a full blown firefight. I hardly ever use it anymore. I did manage to fashion additional copies of the device. Pretty easy actually.

(And if you forget that second shot is coming, it is an ND I think)

[Correia]

You guys need to come out and shoot some 3 gun. A good rifle man will fire 4 + AIMED shots a second. :) Read what Zak posted, he is not exagerating at all. Once upon a time I was really in the zone and fired 28 aimed shots (all hits on 5 IDPA style targets) in 11 seconds, and this was while moving laterally through barricades. Of course the farthest away target was only 15 yards. It was a Vickers stage so I decided to have a little fun. :)

Seriously, under 20 yards, 3 or 4 shots a second should all be easy hits.