to lock or not to lock - colt pocket hammerless


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nad3ooo
August 27, 2010, 03:36 PM
recently i have been pretty serious about questing to find a 1903 hammerless(in .32acp) and have just now realized that after firing the last shot, the slide doesnt lock back...i suppose because it doesnt really have a slide stop [like a1911].

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Colt_Model_1908_Pocket_Hamerless_AdamsGuns_1783.jpg

so now, im wondering, how important is this feature to you personally?

thanks,

nad

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9mmepiphany
August 27, 2010, 06:11 PM
I like it because it gives me a visual indicator that the mag is empty. Otherwise, I could easily mistake it for a bad round/mis-feed and go to the TRB (tap,rack,bang) clearance drill.

I have had other guns (H&K 91, 93, MP5) that lack the hold-open feature after the last round and it is extremely irritating

forindooruseonly
August 27, 2010, 07:13 PM
Not for me on this particular gun. I've got several of them, and only occasionally carry one. Mostly, they are range guns for me where its a non-issue. When I do carry it, I don't carry an extra magazine, so its not an advantage. I've shot revolvers enough to count shots out of habit, so I have a pretty good idea when I'm out of ammunition.

My only complaint about the lack of a hold open is that it makes it harder to check and confirm a gun is safe. I want the slides locked back if I'm walking downrange in front of them.

So, it depends on what your plans for it are.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a263/Forindooruseonly/Stuff4.jpg

Old Fuff
August 27, 2010, 07:49 PM
Because these little pistols did not have a half-cock notch or ledge on the hammer prior to about 1922, and there was no way to manually lower the hammer, many users carried the chamber empty and would sling-shot the slide during a draw. They also couldn't simply drop a magazine because of the way the magazine latch was designed and located. If during an "incident" they ran dry they'd pull out the magazine, insert a fresh one (if that had one) and then sling-shot the slide. More often then not, if they did any shooting at all it would be over before the first magazine was empty.

All of this would likely drive someone in the "modern technique" school of thinking up the wall, but it never bothered the Old Fuff when on occasion he armed himself with a Colt's Hammerless Pocket Pistol. I also knew an individual that was an officer in the U.K.'s SAS, who had been there and done that - and he wasn't worried either. The "model M" as he called it, was one of his favorites.

When you chose to carry some older guns compromises have to be made with modern thinking. I like the pistol well enough too do that.

The real lesson to be learned is: No matter what you carry, know how it works and understand all of the strong and weak points.

1911Tuner
August 27, 2010, 08:02 PM
My only complaint about the lack of a hold open is that it makes it harder to check and confirm a gun is safe. I want the slides locked back if I'm walking downrange in front of them.

See the second notch in the slide? Push the thumb safety up and into that notch to hold the slide open.

The thought behind the Pocket Hammerless was as a personal defensive tool that...much like the pocket pistols and revolvers of today...were most often used in extreme close-quarters emergencies against one or occasionally two antagonists...not to win gunfights with. A pistol with which to mount a fighting retreat might be a better term. The prevailing idea being that if you haven't managed to solve your problem by the time the gun is empty, you probably ain't gonna solve it.

In that role, and with those limitations in mind...it was as good as any, and it still is. Nobody wants to get shot, even with a thutty-two. He won't know what he's been shot with anyway. Shoot and scoot. He who fights and runs away...

SharpsDressedMan
August 27, 2010, 11:46 PM
Old Fuff nailed it again! I agree 100%.

forindooruseonly
August 28, 2010, 01:53 AM
See the second notch in the slide? Push the thumb safety up and into that notch to hold the slide open.

I had a brain malfunction and was thinking of my .32 Savages which don't have a hold open. Made myself look a little dumb there.

Bovice
August 28, 2010, 02:18 AM
They look so classy, who cares? Carry it.

Jim Watson
August 28, 2010, 07:57 AM
The big 9mm Browning Long version made by FN and Husqvarna for Sweden had an automatic slide stop, unlike the Colt pocket models.
I would be crazy tempted by one of those if I ever saw one that had not had the chamber bushed down to .380 for the US surplus market, even though it would require cutting down .38 Super cases for brass.

nad3ooo
August 28, 2010, 11:12 AM
hey thanks for all the replies, at first i got a little gun-shy(pun intended) because i too like to have the slide stop to check for a clear gun. the point that i would likely carry this piece and not an extra mag does mitigate the desire for the slide to hold open.

good stuff guys, thanks

-nad

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