Don’t know if someone has opened a similar thread here before, hope not. I’m sure that many of you have a dog as a companion in hunting days. Don’t matter if he is ugly, short, weird or whatever: it’s your dog, your friend. I have one too, his name is Thor. What he lacks in brains, he has in hair. But I don’t mind.
I think that it would be funny if everybody placed here some pics of their dog or dogs. Place as many as you want, because I bet your dog has many faces, lol
I will keep on posting photos of mine, because I have lots of them. Some normal:
And some quite stupid, lolol::
Ps: Someone sent me a message with some questions about pics but when I tried to respond the site said that that user didn’t want to receive messages. I send the answer to a gmail address, started with an “e” and ended with a “6”. If you are reading this, check your mail’s trash or enable the message receiver in THR, or else I don’t know how I can answer you.
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August 28, 2010, 02:00 AM
my dog's not allowed to hunt, which he hates being a beagle and all, but he's the best vikings fan the world has ever seen. looks awesome in both his home and away jerseys. I am really just posting to say "holy crap fernando you're a great photographer." that's the stuff remington, winchester, etc... would gladly pay good money for when they put out catalogs and other publications.
And finally, I don't know your dogs name, but he or she looks good. I'd still take Pepper (mine) over anyone's dog any day though.
ETA: I guess when you look at the pictures you can see that he does "hunt" for some things. In the other pic, my wife decided to imitate him.
August 28, 2010, 03:06 AM
Fernando, you must have some good lenses on your camera, probably using nikon or cannon SLR.
here is my puppy 3 years ago...
August 28, 2010, 08:50 AM
Quote “I don't know your dogs name, but he or she”
It’s a He, and his name is Thor. But he responds by any name if you have food on your hands, lolol.
Beagles are awesome for tracking and pursuing foxes and wounded animals like boars. Britain’s and French hunters love them. They are not aggressive dogs but they are very professional at what they do.
DIM, I bet that three years ago the girls that walked by you in the park all stopped to make conversation, lol. Puppys are the best bait, irresistible lol ;)
Our hunting dogs are forced to carry a microchip chip beneath the skin, so they can be always identified if lost. Are you obligated to insert a microchip in your dogs too?
I use a canon 350D (rebel xt in the states, I think), with 8 MP. It has several years now, and canon launched several substitutes models like 400D, 450D, 500D and 550D, this last one with 18 mega pixies. Before the canon I used a 35mm z1 pentax.
One pic from the pentax (my dog when puppy):
But then he grew up to be this mindless thing, lol:
He is very good at tracking animals, with feathers or fur.
Or fruits, lol
And after the shooting, he doesn’t waist time. Fetch, boy, fetch! Lolol
He doesn’t mind posing to the camera:
(my girlfriend on the right:
He clearly likes her lol
Well, he is a good guy, even when not hunting. Althoug he clearly tries to look more clever than he really is, ahahah
Dumb dog, lol
Will post more photos soon. Got a pile of them.
August 28, 2010, 10:47 AM
I have Thor's ugly sister; "Belle".
No action shots, but she a hunting fool; upland game-quail/pheasant.
Oh, and she is "daddy's little girl".
August 28, 2010, 11:14 AM
Cannon 350D is not bad, actually its great camera, my wife uses Cannon 10D, by the way she asked what functions do you use to get action shots and what kind of lens? Here is my grownup but still a puppy...
August 28, 2010, 11:28 AM
George was an 80 pound female wolf who died a few years ago. She was my deer hunting companion and pal. She packed meat and acted as bear radar. She loved kids, pulling a sled, deer liver, and beer. She's missed.
Well, she sure looks pretty to me! Especially if I compare her photo with some of Thor’s. This is how he really looks, eheheh:
Kodiak, 16 or 17 years ago I had a dog that looked like your wolf. His name has Nilo. He was not a good hunter (seized 2 or 3 cats in his entire life) but he sure took the crap out some neighbors http://i36.tinypic.com/ehfciv.gif
DIM, about the action photos:
To freeze action in natural environment, to freeze fast movements in photos, we need a lot of light entering the camera very fast. So, either we shoot in a very illuminated place (benefiting the direct light of the sun) or we have to use very fast lenses (lenses that allow a big aperture). To freeze things, camera has to take the picture at very high speed, and it can only do that if it receives lots of light.
Aperture is what it usually determines the cost of a lens, and it is expressed with the letter F. Every lens on the market has the maximum aperture in its name, and it usually is engraved on the lens body. So, a canon lens with a name as “Canon EF 200mm USM IS f/2.8” has a maximum aperture of f/2.8 (the EF means the type of connection to the camera, USM is the type of motor and IS means that has image stabilization).
A low F number means a larger aperture, and a higher F number means a smaller aperture. Exemplifying:
Now, to freeze action it is recommended the use of a lens with an aperture of f/2.8. And to catch a moving target we should use a zoom lens like a 70mm-300mm, so we can adjust the animal or object better in the picture as it approaches. The problem is that a lens like that can easily cost twice the camera. Most of us (me included) won’t pay that much for a single lens, so we got to compromise somewhere, lol, and we end up buying a lens with a maximum aperture of f/4. I bought a canon EF 70-300mm USM IS f/4 – 5.6 – this means that at 70mm I have an aperture of f/4, but if I extend the lens to 300mm the aperture will be f/5.6.
So, what can we do with an aperture of f/4 if we want to freeze some action?
1st – We try shoot in highly illuminated environments
2nd – We increase the iso from 100 to at least 400 (increasing the iso can and will increase the grain in the picture, so we should get too greedy)
In high iso mode and with a lot of light the camera will shoot a lot faster, so this way we can freeze motion. Most cameras have an action mode that will automatically increase the iso and choose the maximum aperture available in that particular lens. If it hasn’t, you must choose it manually.
Prime lens (lens that are not zoom lens) usually are cheaper, even if they have a larger aperture. I bought a 50mm f/1.4 lens for half the cost of the 70-300mm, and a 100mm macro f/2.8 for less than this one too, but they don’t have zoom so I usually don’t use them for this purpose.
Making a long story short: DIM, that canon 10D of your wife has an action mode. If you use it, it will set automatically the iso to 400 and will use the maximum aperture of your lens (probably f/3.5, if it is an 18-55mm lens). You can also control the aperture in AV mode, and the Speed in TV mode, but choose the action mode and all those things will work automatically (action mode has a green guy running). And don’t forget: shoot only in places with a lot of light and try to benefit from direct sun light on your targets.
Here is a sequence taken on a beach near Lisbon:
In the snow:
And… after he got tired http://i36.tinypic.com/ehfciv.gif
Here, they are both tired, lololol:
August 28, 2010, 02:46 PM
Thank you Fernando, for explanation on lenses and shooting modes, I will try to do something this afternoon, its sunny and I think I can get my dog to chase ball in the backyard :-) I did checked my lenses and I think I might have something that will work. It's Canon EF 50mm 1:1.8 also I have Sigma 28-135mm 1:3.8 - 5.6. In 50 mm lens aperture is fixed and it has no zoom, I thought its only good for portrait photos.
August 28, 2010, 04:07 PM
OK here what I got using those lenses, hmmm is there such thing as to much lite? Here take a look:
August 28, 2010, 06:34 PM
DIM, your pictures are fine but you can freeze it better. In fact, you can freeze the spit that may fall from your dog’s mouth, lol.
Here is the info of one of your photos (info is embedded in file automatically):
1 - The iso was ok: 400
2 - The lens used was probably the 50mm f/1.8, and I say “probably” because you could also have used the sigma 28-135mm positioned at 50mm.
3 – Aperture was at f/6.7 (too small, as you will see in a minute)
4 – The speed was 1/1000 of a second
Now, assuming that you used the 50mm f/1.8 lens, you could have taken that same pictures at a much higher speed, avoiding all motion blur and freezing even the flies in mid air. But first let me tell you what happened (presuming you used the 50mm f/1.8 lens): the camera thought that the light was more than enough and deliberately reduced the aperture to f/6.7. If the camera had used a larger aperture, more light would come in (and faster), so the same shot could be taken at much higher speed. How much higher? Your Canon 10D can and will shoot at 1/4000 of a second, i.e. four times faster than the speed you actually used to take those photos. So, how can you shoot faster if your camera seams that don’t want to use a larger aperture? Easy:
Instead of using the action mode (below I will tell you why in same cases this mode causes what seems to be faults), choose an AV mode (lets you choose the aperture) or TV mode (lets you choose the speed of the shutter, aka time of exposure) – these Modes are engraved in a button of you camera, for sure.
In AV mode, you choose the aperture and the camera will adjust automatically the speed. If you choose an aperture of f/1.8 (using the 50mm lens, of course), the camera will adjust to a very high speed, probably around 1/4000 if pointed to a good illuminated spot. If you set an f/4 aperture the camera will reduce the speed to 1/1600 or less. Note: if you set it to f/1.8 and the speed number blinks, that means that the speed recommended would be too high for the camera and you have to reduce the F number to f/2 or to f/4.
In TV mode, you choose the speed and the camera will automatically adjust the aperture. If you set the camera to shoot at 1/4000 it will probably open the aperture to its maximum (f/1.8). If the aperture number blinks, it means that you should use a slower speed because the aperture is already at its maximum.
Now, let me tell you why sometimes the action mode doesn’t do everything automaticaly, and why in some cases camera will use other aperture than the maximum. The aperture of a lens has a direct effect on the picture quality and a direct influence in what we call depth of field (DOF). Note this:
A larger aperture will reduce the DOF, i. e. the part of the animal or object photographed that stays focused is reduced, specially if the picture is taken at a shorter distance. If you use a f/1.8 you may get a focused nose but the rear part of the dog may appear out of focus. By the contrary, if you use a much more reduced aperture like f/8, the object and even the background may appear all in focus.
And there are other reasons for the camera not using the maximum aperture of the lens: in some lens, larger apertures will produce softer images, without proper sharpness. The canon 50mm f/1.4, for example, in f/1.4 will not be much sharp, but if you set it to f/2 it will be.
So, what can you do? Control the aperture or speed in that 50mm of yours in AV or TV modes, and use the max speed of the camera to freeze things in action scenes.
To illustrate what the hell I’ve been talking, here are two pics:
First picture was taken at f/36 and 1/13s of speed
Second picture was taken at f/7.1 and 1/400s of speed
You can use speed and aperture control to make other photos beside action. Slow speed in running water can be fun:
But, back to the dogs:
DIM, I heard that your 50mm f/1.8 can be used in infrared-photography because contrary to the 50mm f/1.4 doesn’t produce a glare in the picture. I have to use the 70-300mm for IR.
Ps: DőM, I think that if your dog was in Portugal you would have to install a microchip in her too, because she may looks a bit like a Doberman, eheheh. Doberman, Pit bulls and other dogs are in a government list of dangerous dogs and have to carry microchips beneath their skin (as all hunting dogs, dangerous or not).
She looks a bit aggressive. I bet half the rabbits you catch died from heart attack, ehehehe
August 28, 2010, 06:57 PM
Fernando, I officially hate you... well not hate so much as envy GREATLY!!!! Those pictures are incredible... I have not jumped into photography yet but imagine I will soon enough... though I have been cautioned that it is one hell of an expensive hobby. Those flowing water pictures are just awesome...
need an apprentice? LOL
August 28, 2010, 07:40 PM
PT, the secret in photography is not to forget what your learn every single day you go out with your camera. You need a Digital SLR camera and at least a standar 18-55mm lens, yes, but today they cost together less than a gun. If you want to buy lens and other accessories little by little, you should get a camera from canon or Nikon, because they will present you with a bigger offer in every area from flashes to lenses. Once you get your camera, you can buy lens in ebay, new or used, and they probably will last forever.
We are all apprentices, I guarantee you. Everyday we learn something, especially if we read, ask or try. If there is something that you want to know about a particularly photo or technique, you just have to ask. Iíll be glad to share the little I know.
Photography is all about light. If we remember that, we can take much better photos without having more trouble or spending more time than we already do.
Flowing water pictures are very easy to do. You just set your camera in a tripod (has to be stable for long exposures), use the remote or retarded shooting mode (so the camera donít vibrate when picture is taken) and reduce the aperture to get a higher exposure time. Because more water will flow during the exposure of sensor to light, the water will look like hair.
Cons: Longer exposure times and reduced apertures may show the dust in the sensor (spots in the picture); if there is much light available, you may have to use a neutral density filter in front of the lens, in conjunction with the small aperture, to reduce the light that enters.
Trust me, itís much more difficult to freeze moving objects than to play around with water, lol
Now, back to my dumb dog, lol:
August 28, 2010, 08:42 PM
August 29, 2010, 01:48 AM
Fernando actually its him, just he lost his balls when he was 8 month old, wasn't my idea but they had to go... other then that he is 75% doberman and 25% rottweiler and he is very friendly, he even has cat as a friend which steals food out of his ball, by the way cat lost his balls as well. Fernando, one thing strikes me the most on your pictures are the colors, are you using photoshop of some sort to enhance images and do you use raw format or jpg?
here is my dog saying "I'm very friendly come on play with me"
August 29, 2010, 02:14 AM
fernando, to answer your question WAY up there... nc does not require hunting dogs be chipped, but we (although we don't let pepper hunt) chose to have it done anyway because... well we love our dog, and need no more reason, if he ever gets lost we would like some kind person to check the chip and bring him home. i don't think the question was posed to me, but i answered anyway. still extremely impressed with the photos and i don't think that you really think your dog's dumb... if you did you wouldn't have so many shots of him.
i know beagles love to hunt... what he hates is the fact that we do not let him do so.
August 29, 2010, 08:04 AM
OK Ill play....
Meet Dicey Von Drei Hund Knight...
She is a bird crazy German Wirehaired Pointer and my best buddy.
DIM, sorry for the “she” part, eheheh. He now looks much friendlier indeed.
About your questions
Raw or jpg: when I bought the camera I used the raw format for one day. At the end of the day I counted more than 100 photos. Once I discovered that I had to convert all those files individually to jpg, I promised to my self that I would leave the raw format alone for the rest of my days, lol. I’m no pro to use raw, I just want to have fun with the camera, and jpeg is more than enough.
About Photoshop: I never knew how to work with photoshop, always thought that was super complicated. But there was a problem back then: all plug-ins were made for photoshop. Plug-ins are little software programs that we can get separately but all runs on photoshop platform (we access them trough the menus). There are plug-ins made to solve specific problems on photos, like image noise (grain), illumination, etc
For my luck, some years ago corel Photopaint, a much simpler editing software than photoshop but highly effective, started to accept all photoshop plug-ins. Problem solved! I never had to learn how to work with photoshop and I hope I never do.
Now, beside plug ins, why do we have to use a editing software? For some little things, some that most of us don’t know how great they are. Some examples:
Every time we reduce a photo’s size, pixels are compressed and image becomes a little blurred. If we want to restore the original quality, we must apply a simple command called “sharp” (there is a scale, so we just have the use it to restore quality, not ruin it). Some programs, like Photopaint (corel) lets you use another command with identical functions: “unsharp mask” (don’t mind the name, it does exactly the same thing as the sharp).
Another thing that we can do in editing software - and that is very common - is to crop the image. How we distribute thins in the picture is of the most importance if we want to get other’s attention (there are rules for composing a picture, things must not be at the center all the time). So, if we didn’t like the outcome of a picture because the object or animal is not where we like it to be, we can crop a part of the picture. Because image file still has a lot of pixels, we still have a photo and no one will probably know it’s a crop.
Now, about the colors. I’ve been reviewing the photos I posted in this thread and 3 have color issues.
1 - The photo with gray background, where it says “He is very good at tracking animals, with feathers or fur”: the color of the dog is natural, but the background was turned grey (by a simply dissature command).
2 – The photo with the blue water flowing – all canon digital SLR cameras have a button that allows you to use a background tone called “tungsten”. If you press that button, a blue tone will be automatically applied to image (note: it’s irreversible in that photo). It is commonly used in night photos.
3 – The infrared photo has altered colors, due to infrared processing (it is natural).
Dim, all the other picture in this thread have plain normal colors. This is why some colors seem out of normal:
- Some photos were taken in last hours of the sun, were colors are warmer (more reds, more yellows or orange)
- To get great color we should take pictures very early or very late in the day, or in stormy days. If we always took the pictures when the sun is high, pictures will be sharp (because of the much light) but colors may tend to fade (it’s what we call hard colors) or to look very common.
Every time you want to know something about a specific photo, please ask. I will be glad to answer.
Courtgreene, thanks for the chip answer. About this quote:
“and i don't think that you really think your dog's dumb... if you did you wouldn't have so many shots of him”
I have to get out now, because it’s lunch time here (12h.20m.), but I will explain you later, lol. And will post more photos.
I will be back, lol
August 29, 2010, 11:55 AM
Slabuda, nice pointer! We have lots of pointers here too, but most of them have very short hair (shorter than yours). Very good dogs for small game with feather (partridges, pheasant, etc).
Now, Courtgreen, about my dumb dog… lolol:
When he was very small, things in the house were safe because the bast#rd couldn't move a lot, he was slow and easy to find. We always knew where he was, and what he was doing.
(photo taken in 35mm film)
But then he grew up and things changed. First he started to chew things, and very fast he started to eat them, and I don’t mean only shoes.
(photo taken with compact camera)
When he was one year old, and right after he eaten a belt and a rubber boot my girlfriend said *** and asked me if he would be like that forever. I had other dogs before, so I told her that he would grow a brain before he completed 2 years. Well… he didn’t.
He is 6 years old and if we leave a travel bag near him he will find a way to open it and to unpack and eat most things in there. He eats everything from soap to the sponge of my rifles bag. I have taken him out of several wells in hunting days because he runs around like a goat not looking forward. He auls (aauuuuuuuuu) in the middle of the night out of nothing, and he does that lauder than a wolf – he does that sh#t during the sleep. He takes fruits out of the trees. This is not normal for a 6 years old dog.
This photos were taken when I was experimenting some wicked filter that some friends lended me. Does he look normal? lolol
But that doesn’t mean that I don’t like him. He is funny to be around:
Keep other guys away when I’m fishing http://i36.tinypic.com/ehfciv.gif
He fetches animals when hunting:
And he does all that although he has a brain of a one year old poppy. Here, trying to pass as a polar bear, lol:
August 29, 2010, 12:07 PM
No comments :D:
August 29, 2010, 07:05 PM
About colors and times of the day (pictures taken in different days):
At almost sun set:
At different times of the day, we have different tones. Thatís what we call color temperature. Cold colors are bluish, and worm are reddish.
Making friends, lol:
August 29, 2010, 07:21 PM
He may be dumb, but he looks to be full of personality and, if your photos are any indication, one hell of a good dog...
Love the "polar bear poser."
Was there a bunny massacre soon after that picture took? lol... if only that bunny knew how many dead ancestors those jowls had carried postmortem.
August 29, 2010, 08:04 PM
Phinn doesn't actually go hunting, but if he wants to find something he can sniff it down w/o a problem.
22 month old 115# full blooded bloodhound.
August 29, 2010, 08:11 PM
Fernando, that's a damn fine dog you have there! Absolutely superb pics of the animal, too.
I've got two Jack Russell Terriers. The older of the two simply doesn't understand her size. She literally has the heart of a lion. I've had to pull her off of a couple of labs and the largest Great Dane I've ever seen. Were it not so ridiculous, I'm sure the Great Dane would have swallowed her whole. He was BIG. I'm sure he thought it was some kind of joke, or that he was on Candid Camera. :)
Up at the farm though, she patrols for coyotes, which we have plenty of (along with feral pigs, bob cats, mountain lions and who knows what else.) She puts on a good enough show (or loud enough, I should say) that the coyotes don't come near while she's there.
August 29, 2010, 08:47 PM
told you he is not aggressive dog, cat loves him specially in the winter that's a barn cat :-)
Hey_poolboy, I grew up with bloodhounds, Loved them. Seeing that picture takes me back to red, opie, Esther, and other fantastic hounds that I had in the past. Thanks for sharing. I don't think there's a better breed out there and would have one now except my wife has a thing about drool. In fact the reason we have a beagle is because it's got the same personality of a bloodhound without said drool. don't get me wrong, I love the beagle and he's probably a better dog overall than the bloodhounds I've had, but man I miss them.
August 29, 2010, 09:03 PM
Here's my Dixie. The only thing she gets to hunt is babbits and squirrels in the back yard but she's a good dog. These pics are off of a camera phone so they are not the best.
August 29, 2010, 09:54 PM
Courtgreene, this is our first bloodhound. We've always been big dog people. (under 100# is still a cat) He really is a great dog. We are his second owner, I wish we had gotten him earlier so I could have at least made an attempt to train him to trail. Not sure I would have hunted him, but it would be kinda cool.
August 30, 2010, 06:30 AM
Quoting PT: ďHe may be dumb, but he looks to be full of personality and, if your photos are any indication, one hell of a good dog...Ē
He is quite professional in what we does: tracking, finding and catching animals, and he didnít require much training. When he was very little (2 months old or so) he didnít leave my girlfriend alone and he stalked her wherever she went, so one day she was fishing black bass with a rapala and ever time a fish got lose from the hooks he catch it has soon has the fish hit the grown and give it to her, lol, and the b#stard even tried to pursue some in the shallow water, lol.
And about the bunny: I catch him by the road last year, when he was still very small. I release him this year, already adult. My dog never laid his teeth on him. In fact, even if he had bitted the bunny he wouldnít kill him because he is very careful when bringing stuff (dead or alive).
Poolboy, I know a guy that as one dog just like yours. He his a slow barking dog but highly effective in driven hunts (all other dogs follow him).
Matt, I think I never saw a Jack Russell Terriers before. Is it common in the states? Has another name in Europe?
DIM, pretty cool that picture of him with the cat. Black dogs are more difficult to get right in a photo, because black colour tends to fool the cameraís light sensor and we usually get uncompensated images. But that one turned out ok.
http://i34.tinypic.com/14nfjvk.gif Punisher, I wish my phone took photos like that, lol. I got a old nokia.
Here is Thor on the beach, lol:
August 30, 2010, 11:55 AM
After seeing Fernando's pics, these are certainly not going to impress with quality, but I shall try to make up the difference with substance. :)
Chloe, shepard mix at about 8 months old when we got her
All these pics make me want to leave work, go load them up, and head to the park so they can run and swim! :D
August 30, 2010, 12:56 PM
Nice pics, Brad, but the best of all is the last IMHO, because it is different. It looks like an architect picture, lol: simple but effective (calls out for our attention). Regardless of what equipment we have in our hands (expensive or not, with lots of mega pixels or few), we can make our photographs much more interesting, much more art type looking. How?
Donít always leave things in the centre of the photo! In photography, as in other visual arts, there are rules for composing objects in an image. One of most important is the rule of the thirds. You can see it here:
Use the intersections! Directors in movies use them, so why donít you?
Now, other rules to know when photographing animals (and other things like girlfriends, lol):
Animal pictures must be taken at their level! We shouldnít take pictures of them from above, because if we do that we will show a normal perspective, and we donít want it to look only normal. We should take our pictures almost at ground level!
We must take several pictures, so we can choose to show only the best. Everybody (including professionals) take lots of crappy pictures (you would be amazed, lol). In 20 photos, only 7 or 8 of them will be good, and only 3 or 4 will be great. And from that 3 or 4, you show one or two! With time, that ratio will change, and more good photos will present themselves (but you will still get a lot of crappy pictures as the rest of us, no matter how pro you are).
Try to take pictures from different angles, no mater how strange they look. Best photos will be the weirdest, trust me, for with those photos you will amaze you and others. Everybody knows how a dog or a cat looks like, so we must show common things in different ways.
No matter how ugly is the thing that you are photographing: it has a perspective that is sweeter, funnier or simply appealing. Take your time. If you do your job well, the photo will be great.
Donít get intimidated with otherís guy photos. You can and will do better than him. Take you time.
August 30, 2010, 01:00 PM
Ok I'll play not much for quality photo's as they were taken on my phone. But theses two guys give us great joy and a lot of laughs! If you want to see something funny get your dogs to chase a ball on a marble floor. With no ability to turn on a dime they just don't get it.... :D
Moose is the brainy one he thinks and you can watch him do it. You should see him hunting Squirrel around the sofa.. funny as H***!
With Squirrel the picture says it all... That's him.
Both are toy poodles and fun to be around... well we love them.
August 30, 2010, 01:15 PM
To illustrate the rule of the thirds (you canít get simpler than this):
Ps: no, I was not trying to run over rabbits in the shoulder of the road, lolol
Rtpz, I can't see your pics. Will try at home, with a diferent pc
August 30, 2010, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the kind words Fernando... Honestly, I DO try and take pics from different angles, and be "artistic" about my pictures, but typically, they are taken with my 5MP phone-cam... Just like that last one I posted...
My problem with taking pics of the dogs is that as soon as they see the camera, they run over to me to see what I am hiding behind, or holding... sigh...
Our regular digi-cam is just a Cannon Powershot ($150ish) and it basically sucks in ANY condition other than bright sunlight. In ANY condition but full sun, it will be blurry. I think there is something wrong with the automatic settings. My phone takes far better pics. :)
I think we'll go to the park tonite and I'll try to get some new pics.
August 30, 2010, 03:00 PM
Phones are not the best equipment to get a good photo, but we have to use whatever we have around us and try to do it the best way we can. There will always by guys that have better equipment than us.
Photography for us hunters is just to have some fun. We are better with the guns, lol.
As I said, nice picture:
This one too, DIM:
Rtpz, my home pc doesn’t show me your pictures either. Am I the only one?
August 30, 2010, 03:15 PM
Another cool photo (from camera phone):
Sorry for the blue wire, Punisher, I had to let Dixie go, lolol
August 30, 2010, 03:22 PM
Fernando not sure why you can't see them they are std jpeg files from my iPhone. So I just attached the two files to this message... I can view them in paint. So you should be able to view them with almost anything.
August 30, 2010, 03:49 PM
I forget to say another tip for animal or people photography:
Try to leave some room, some free space, to here animals or people are looking.
If you donít, you may have a lot of grass to make when you get home to crop your photo :D
Free space can also be used to give the idea of entering or leaving a photo.
RTPZ, now I can see them! Very cute, your dogs. But you have to do something about that hair, man :scrutiny:
Mineís was shorter and I hit it with the machine:
Well he looked like an hyena for some days, but he got over it eventually, lolol
August 30, 2010, 03:56 PM
I dont see them either... but I can see the attachments just fine. What hosting service are you using? I know that I only get to see about half the photos on forums while on my work-network due to filtering...
August 30, 2010, 04:23 PM
My wife and I own a pair of long-haired miniature dachshunds who fancy themselves as squirrel hunters. Every time we see one, they chase it if able, or go into a whining/howling fit and struggle for all their 12 pounds (5.44kg) are worth at the end of the leash if they can't give chase. They know the word "squirrel" enough to perk up and run around excitedly at its mention.
Their stuffed squirrel from Petco is as close as they're going to get, based on what I've seen of them constantly outsmarted by the tree rats. :p They do like to flush doves up from the park lawn...maybe there's some hope for them yet :)
I will try to post a picture or two from my phone when I get home.
August 30, 2010, 04:32 PM
I was using THR to host the photos.
August 30, 2010, 05:16 PM
A clip of the creature when young, lol:
Video hosted in tinypic.com
Thor's clip (http://tinypic.com/r/m80804/4)
August 30, 2010, 05:40 PM
I'll put up some of mine. I am just getting into photography, so I am experimenting alot with different lenses, light, and settings.
This is my girl Lilly, she is a Bernese Mountain Dog mix, and just an amazing companion, perfectly happy to lay down and watch tv or go outside and play around in the sandpit for hours!
August 30, 2010, 06:07 PM
Joel, she seems very calm. Contrary to my dog (that has a lot of white), I bet she would be great to hunt boars at night. Boars would only see her if she smiled :D
Test as much lenses as you can get your hands on, because it is a very good way to learn about their capability to handle light.
August 30, 2010, 10:06 PM
Yes Fernando, I did notice the grass, that's why I spend Sunday moving my lawn :-) Fernando I do see where cropping the picture makes a difference to much grass and black dog isn't the perfect match. Fernando, can you tell me what filters do you use, or what's options are out there as far as filters?
August 30, 2010, 10:28 PM
Hey that cool Fernando. I would have posted it large but I don't use a photo host. Sure do love that stupid dog. She is crazy as all get out but she's a sweet dog. She's a black lab/jack russle mix so she would have been a good flusher. I just didn't have time to work with her. She is very...very smart....Too smart sometimes. She follows most commands very well and loves to play fetch. But sometimes she will see a squirrel and just take off. The neighbors may think i'm pretty mean when I yell her name at the top of my lungs.:uhoh: She always comes back though. Now that she's a little older she pretty much stays in the yard and knows her boundries.:D
August 31, 2010, 07:12 AM
Glass filters with colours are a thing of the past IMHO, because today we have a million digital filters in major editing software (free or not) and in plug-ins. I donít have colour glass filters, although Iíve tried some with lousy outcome, lol:
Even the dog thinks they are boring:
And colour glass filter have a great disadvantage: they will permanently alter the photo (you can't get back normal colours once you use them).
Digital filters, on the other end, are cheap (or free), unlimited, not permanent, easy to use and you can apply them in your home, when, how and if you want it.
Here one pic of my girlfriend in ďCabo da RocaĒ, the western point of Europe (Portugal, obviously, lol), with a digital filter (day to night):
(hope she doesnít kill me, lol)
That said about colour glass filters, move on to other glass filter. I have 3 glass filters, one infra-red (rarely used and last month lended to my brother), one Neutral Density 8 (ND8) and one polarizer.
The ND8 only purpose is to reduce light in photos like the flowing water. Rarely use it.
(There was a monster there, below the water, lol, can you see it?)
The polarizer (circular)Ö well, everybody should have one! Is reduces reflections in surfaces like water, change colour temperature, enhances contrast and is great to turn deep blue some parts of the sky. Cons: reduces light entering and will decrease a bit the speed (longer exposition time), so it is not very recommended for using in action photos unless there is a lot of light. Is most used for landscape shots.
Iím at work now and I havenít any photos here that have been taken with the polarizer, but I will go lunch home soon, so Iíll bring a few from my home pc.
Now, there is a colour mode in most digital slr cameras that itís called tungsten. It gives a bluish colour to pics. Some think that it is a filter, and in a way it works like that. Itís very useful in night shots and it can be funny in macro shots with bugs (bugs are already strange, but with tungsten some become even stranger).
A pic using tungsten:
Back to the dog, here is the b#stard again, in a slide:
Trying to spot distant rabbits, lol:
August 31, 2010, 07:19 AM
I forgot to say something: polarizer filters must be rotated to work. This might seem obvious to some, but trust me, there are people that have polarizer filters and think that screwing it to the camera its all there is to do.
August 31, 2010, 10:05 AM
I love this thread...
August 31, 2010, 10:30 AM
Ok, this is a pic taken with a polarizer filter screwed in the lens (taken from inside the car). I post it small because in this way itís easier to see the graduation of the blue, but here you can see some 800x600 pics where polarizer was used (the ones that have deep blue sky):
And you captured it well, ArmedBear. Awesome resolution, very sharp pic too. Iíve noticed that you say ďbird dogĒ. I think itís the same as our ďdog for featherĒ, lol. You are referring to what the dog catch the best, right? Bird as in opposition to fur?
DIM, best circular polarizers around are, IMHO, Hoya. You only need one polarizer, so get a good one (hoya has several lines, from less expensive to more expensive). But you have to buy one that fits your lenses! Probably your lenses are 58mm, pitch 0.75, but you must confirm this before you buy (specially if you buy it online).
One of the best affordable hoyaís are the hmc or super hmc, but if you canít get one for less than 40 or 50 bucks buy another hoya less expensive (you will be able to adjust image anyways when editing).
A polarizer is never as impressive as a hdr pic (real hdr or fake). It is surely not the solution for every pics problem. A well used illumination or noise plug-in can make a lot more for a photo.
August 31, 2010, 01:10 PM
Pssst... armedbear.... she's not a pit... :scrutiny:
August 31, 2010, 01:11 PM
Fernando, could you, please be more specific about how well used illumination or noise plug-in can make a lot more for a photo.
August 31, 2010, 01:25 PM
She looks a tad thin for a Staffy. What is she?
August 31, 2010, 01:49 PM
One of our dane Evie (but you can't see much of her!)
DIM, every editing software allows you to make adjustments in the brightness of your picture, yes? However, sometimes you just want to bring light to a particular part of the picture, to half an object that got darker, to a dogs face, etc, etc. So, unless you create a mask (select that specific part of the image), all your photo will get light on it, and that can be catastrophic (some areas that were already fairly illuminated will be over exposed, with loss of colors or details). So what can we do? We should leave that function to a specialized plug-in. How and what?
If you use as editing software something like corel photopaint (X3 or X4) you will be allowed to install plug-ins in it. When you install the plug-ins, you can access them via normal effect menu. As I said before, plug-ins are little programs that do specific thins or apply specific effects to you image.
One of the best illumination plug-ins around is the Shadow Illuminator Pro (from intrigue technologies) and will allow you to bring light only to the parts of the picture that really need it. And it has a scale, so you can choose the amount of light you want. Let me enlighten you with an example:
(My father playing around with a boar, lol)
What happened? When we tried to illuminate the picture with normal software, normal command in editing software, all imaged got attacked, got gray all over it and colours got lost. On the contrary, when we used a specific illumination plug-in, image got a lot better, and the colors didn’t suffer (some even got more alive).
Another fast example:
Now you say: hey, that last one gained some noise in the blue!
Yap, that can happen when you bring light to photos. But that also happens very frequently when we use high iso settings on camera (above iso 400) or when we shoot in pour light conditions. What can we do? We can use another plug-in, this time specialized in noise (grain) reduction. There are a few of them out there, but one of the simpler and most effective is the Neat Image.
Same picture, with some noise reduction:
We can apply noise reduction until there is no noise left, but image tends to became softer. In some pictures that can be bad, but in others can be great: all fashion magazines apply noise reduction filters on the portraits of their models to soften their skin. They design a mask and only softens what they want to soften (usually faces and legs, lol). What? You though all those bit#### were perfect? lolol
Noise reduction is highly used to level the blue in the sky in landscape pictures (it gets perfect). Or to improve phone pictures:
Besides illumination and noise reduction plug-ins, there are out there a bunch of others with cool effects, specialized in this or that. Nik color efex pro, 55mm (DFT), virtual painter, are just a few. They all run in cored photopaint or other software like photoshop (don't ask me about this last one, lol).
There are also other stand alone little software than can alter photos or join them (hdr). Also fun.
Lazy dog, lol:
Gaiudo, they let the parrot out! Nice pic, that last one
August 31, 2010, 03:19 PM
That's a tiny AmBull. Good looking dog. Looks a lot like our APBT.
August 31, 2010, 03:21 PM
Fernando, what is HDR? Nice effects.
August 31, 2010, 03:26 PM
everyone that sees her wants to know about my pit-bull... and I have almost given up on explaining the difference. :) There are 2 types of americans, Scotts and Johnsons... the Scotts have the almond shaped eyes, sleeker head and muzzle and are generally smaller (she weights about 65lbs)... the Johnson's look like thick Boxers...
Fernando, I dont mind at all. :) I know when I can learn something, and you can use my pics all you wish! FWIW, I liked the noise in the blue sky... and great lazy dog pic!
I am going to play some more with the settings on this cheap-o digicam to see what I can do...
August 31, 2010, 03:52 PM
This is one of my killers. She mostly hunts bunnies... Dust bunnies.
August 31, 2010, 04:59 PM
Brad, that is called hard light, because is very strong (a lot of dark shadows too). Clouds usually make the light more diffuse, pictures get more natural colors and few or no shadows. I got a lot of pictures with hard light too.
Fast pics but with a lot of light:
Gaiudo, HDR means high dynamic range and in few words means joining 3 pics to get one. What 3 pics? One normal, one under exposed (dark) and one over exposed (bright). A specific software will join all three to get a balanced photo, with not too dark or too bright parts.
True HDR and Fake HDR: True HDR uses 3 photos, as I already said; fake HDR uses only one photo (the software will try to do its best to equilibrate, to get the image balanced).
When joining photos (or when handling the photo in fake mode) we can also add some drama to the image, change colors and play with light.
Over exposed image
Final HDR pic:
Note, that final pic could be very different if we had changed the settings when joining original pics (add or subtract color, noise, shadows, drama, etc)
Two more true HDR pic:
Fake HDR Photo
In fake HDR the software tries to balance brightness, but it is much more difficult to get it right because all the info comes from one photo alone and not three. Black tends to get more grain.
But in some pictures, the outcome is more or less ok.
HDR greatest photos are from landscapes with clouds, not portraits. And with a plain blue sky we will not do much.
My high speed internet locks up after about five seconds of trying to load any of the pages in this thread.
August 31, 2010, 05:13 PM
I forgot to say one or two things about true HDR:
Most DSLR have a thing called AEB (Automatic Exposure Bracketing) Ė the camera automatically takes 3 photos, with different exposures levels (you can set the difference between exposures levels. In this case, all you have to do is:
1 Ė Put the camera in a tripod or steady surface (so all pics have same content *)
2 Ė Select AEB on the menu (at least -2 to +2)
3 Ė Use the remote or retarded shooter (so camera wonít vibrate when shooting)
* when joining pics you have to check image'S alignment (tricky thing to do if the wind moved your foliage)
To get fake HDR you obviously donít need to do any of this
August 31, 2010, 05:22 PM
Fernando, I was ready to buy that soft you were talking about and I donít see anything with that name, there is CorelDraw and Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 . Which one are you using? I'm looking to obtain one, to use Photoshop plug-ins
August 31, 2010, 05:32 PM
Coromo, sorry to hear that. My internet connection supports 10mb max and doesn't lock up. You can see only wordís not the pictures is that it?
Dim, Photo-Paint is one of the programs included in CorelDraw Graphics Suit (X3 and X4). It runs on windows. If you get the Suite, install only the Photo-Paint because is the only in the suite for editing photos.
Link to wiki:
August 31, 2010, 05:38 PM
After you install Photo-Paint X3, install all plug-ins in :
C:\Program Files\Corel\CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 13\Plugins
The plug-ins will automatically be shown in “Efects” menu.
Note: Dynamic Photo HDR 4 and Photomatix are not plug-ins but stand alone programs.
August 31, 2010, 11:38 PM
Ok got some plug-ins, the Shadow Illuminator Pro and Noiseware Pro and applied to the image of my dog, and here what I had before:
September 1, 2010, 01:07 AM
This is Claire and our rooster. She may look timid, but don't count her out.
Lololololol! EPT some knifes had that rooster in its feet! Nice editing job on the last pic, eheheh
DIM, he got a bit whiter, your dog. With time and practice you will master the plug-ins. Now, there are some little things you must know:
1 Ė Prime lens usually produce much more sharp (detailed) pictures than zoom lenses. Your 50mm will be sharper than your sigma zoom lens; you just have to find the best aperture in the 50mm (probably f/2)
2 Ė Zoom lenses, near their maximum extension, will produce softer images. A 70-300mm is sharp to around 250mm, and after that you will get softer images (large amounts of light may help us beyond 250mm, but the image will suffer anyways). And this affects all zoom lens, even the more expensive series.
September 1, 2010, 07:58 PM
Best HDR site on the internet (IMHO) is Stuck In Custom.
This guy is good.
Fernando, excellent pictures. We love Portugal, where abouts are you? Big fan of the Algarve, but like even more the mountains just north of there. Monchique and Foia are just gorgeous.
We've been there 4 times, and keep talking about getting a vacation home there.
September 2, 2010, 06:30 PM
Quote: “Best HDR site on the internet (IMHO) is Stuck In Custom.”
Great shots, yes. If you want to see a pile of high quality hdr’s go to flickr and search for HDR. You will be amazed.
Quote: “We love Portugal, where abouts are you? Big fan of the Algarve, but like even more the mountains just north of there. Monchique and Foia are just gorgeous.”
I live and work in lisbon, capital, but almost every weekend I go 200km north, to near the centre of the country. Algarve is way south (300km from Lisbon, in the bottom of the country). Algarve is usually the first choice for tourists from all over the world, because of the warm weather. It’s a bit (a lot, actually lol) crowded in summer time, so I usually don’t go there every year.
All my grandparents were from the north, so I don’t like much of the south anyways.
A few more of my flea bag, lol:
September 5, 2010, 06:30 AM
Damn... I really enjoy looking at your pictures Fernando... just incredible... and I am not the type to typically appreciate photos that much.
Keep them coming... I could look at these all day...
September 5, 2010, 06:05 PM
Taken yesterday, when I was filling the boar’s boxes with corn and other cereals:
Below him, and although you don’t see it, there is a stream that runs 1 meter below the ground level, so he has to jump over it
September 5, 2010, 06:16 PM
Also taken yesterday, at sunset:
September 5, 2010, 07:50 PM
Just got this little ball of fury a couple days ago. Can't let him off the leash yet, but once he's trained he's going to be my hunting/fishing buddy. He's Jack Russel with 1/4 pomeranian. He's super smart, and taking to training pretty easy. Lucked out with this little guy.
Our big dumb furballs. Jack is on the left, with limited hunting experience yet incredible hunting instincts. Skitty (short for stupid kitty) is an avid hunter and catches rabbits, birds, mice, and has been seen attacking a snake. I took care of the killing part with the snake though.
September 6, 2010, 05:47 PM
Cute ball of fury, Coastie. Teach him to go fetch while heís young!
Jeff, I think that one claw of the cat has actually nailed the dogís skin, lol. You got some manicure to do right there or the dog doesnít have a chance :scrutiny:
A few more in days of snow:
Running like hell:
Cursing the wind, lolol:
September 6, 2010, 06:28 PM
Water effect on him:
In a normal day, lol:
September 6, 2010, 06:31 PM
September 6, 2010, 06:36 PM
Thinking: “oh-oh, I took too much time to fetch this sh#t, he’s mad!”
September 6, 2010, 06:42 PM
Thinking: ďhumÖ thatís a boarÖ better watch out or he will kick my #ssĒ
September 6, 2010, 06:46 PM
Thinking: ďthese things are getting smaller and harder to findÖĒ
September 6, 2010, 06:50 PM
Donít think, just go fetch, lol
September 6, 2010, 06:58 PM
NowÖ where did that rabbit go??! :scrutiny:
September 6, 2010, 07:10 PM
September 6, 2010, 09:31 PM
Amazing Photos Fernando. I hope to get a dog soon (just moved to a place where it is possible) and have recently finished a digital photography course at the local community college. I hope I can get some pictures that are half as good as yours.
September 7, 2010, 06:59 AM
Thanks, Jd. Keep your finger in the cameraís shutter, learn with each result and you will do a lot better than me.
September 7, 2010, 07:04 AM
Don't stress, keep it cool, lol. Take your time: