Need help choosing a .45acp carry gun


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handloader357
August 29, 2010, 11:31 AM
I'm in the market for a .45 concealed carry pistol. I'm a fairly short guy and in some cases I have issues keeping a full sized 1911 comfortably concealed and have similar issues with my 686. I've been reading up on the Rock Island Officers size guns and Citadel Compact 1911 which seem like alot of gun for a low price. I'm very familiar with the operation and care of the 1911 platform so it's my 1st choice, but the XDm's seem like a nice piece as well. I'd need to go try one on to see how well I can carry it. Going up in price but still on my list are the Colt Defender and that little Kimber Pro Carry II, but I dislike aluminum frames and the series 80 type firing systems. Overall weight doesn't really bother me, its the length of the barrel/slide on the full sized 1911 that gives me trouble - digging into my legs and other important parts when sitting down. If anyone carries any of these pistols I'd love to hear what you have to say about them and how well you trust them. Obviously the cheaper the better, but I need something I can trust.

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Flfiremedic
August 29, 2010, 01:03 PM
Im Kinda in heat over the new FNs...

bds
August 29, 2010, 01:08 PM
I would have you check out the third generation Taurus Mil Pro PT145. It's a 10 round double-stack compact 45 with SA/DA trigger and frame safety.

It is very compact as the slide is actually shorter than my Glock 27 and comparable in width. Grip length is close to G23 with very good ergonomics. It uses the same Fobus holster as the SA XD (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=111612).

I have shot several thousand rounds of mixed factory and reloads with no FTF/FTE. It particularly feeds/chambers 200 gr SWC very well.

It is priced around $350 (blue) to less than $400 (Stainless).

Only thing to watch out for is the older Gen1/2 magazines won't work well in the new Gen3 (How do you tell? There is no italic "Pro" to the right of Millennium on the slide and other side of the slide says "PT 145 PRO") and you may get some flak from other shooters that you bought a Taurus. Instead of arguing, I just let them shoot the PT145 and let them form their own opinions - they usually change them after shooting the PT145.

jon86
August 29, 2010, 01:17 PM
glock 30 or 36?

gearhead
August 29, 2010, 01:18 PM
^^^ I agree with bds. Also take a look at the Taurus 24/7 DS Pro Compact in .45ACP. It's approximately the same size as the MilPro (and uses the same magazine) but has a couple of extra features. It's what I carry when I carry IWB rather than pocket. DA trigger pull is well weighted if a bit long, the SA is very nice. It weighs about 30 ounces loaded 10+1.

handloader357
August 29, 2010, 01:21 PM
After reading up on the FN's I'm kinda in heat too, but they're not much shorter than my 1911's so it probably wont help much...

On the Taurus topic - My 1st pistol was the old model 94 .22 wheel gun. I picked up a Model 82 at a gun show just because it looked identical to the .22, only bigger :) I love my Taurus wheel guns. On the downside, a buddy has a 9mm Taurus Millennium that looks very similar to the 45 mentioned which has been very reliable, but one day at the range it started shooting way low and to the left out of nowhere. We didn't spend much time on it, but couldn't figure out why...

Also on that PT145 - aren't they DA only? Not the end of the world for a carry gun, but I'm just confused... Thanks to you both for your input, it's greatly appreciated!

LawofThirds
August 29, 2010, 01:21 PM
S&W M&P compact.

8+1 capacity, changeable grips, either no external safety or thumb safety.
And right now, you can get them with 2 extra magazines from S&W

Strahley
August 29, 2010, 01:24 PM
Glock 36/30
SIG P245/P220 Compact

Those would be the only smaller .45s I would choose from. I don't trust any 1911 that isn't a full size. I've tried 3 small 1911s, all 3 of them were a gigantic pain in the ass

handloader357
August 29, 2010, 01:33 PM
What do you guys think of this deal?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=187336080

cwl1862
August 29, 2010, 01:34 PM
I have a Kimber Ultra Carry II, the gun functions flawlessly, is accurate as hell at SD ranges and carries quite well. Worth every penny I paid for it.

Texsun
August 29, 2010, 01:48 PM
P220 carry

bds
August 29, 2010, 01:48 PM
Handloader, gen3 PT145 has SA/DA trigger but shoots SA all the time. I used to hate the DAO trigger but the new SA/DA is like night and day in comparison.

I think shooting one is really the only way you can appreciate the change.

NOLAEMT
August 29, 2010, 02:30 PM
HK 45c or uspc 45.

Mine is easy to carry even in shorts and a tee shirt. has been 100 percent reliable, and you can carry it cocked and locked, just like a 1911.

DasFriek
August 29, 2010, 02:54 PM
Taurus PT145 is a great low priced ccw, But a pain to shoot at the range.
Kahr CW45- Ive never owned one but i see no drawbacks and a nice low price also.
Glock 30- Thick and higher priced, But you get what you pay for and this gun delivers.
The small 3" low priced 1911's scare me, Even the higher priced $1000 3" ones do also. Due to the fact of reliability. It can be perfect or a lemon. If i had to take my chances id take the Colt Defender as im sure Colt would make it work right if it was fussy.
Small Kimbers in 3" i would avoid.
3" Springfields id rank highly with the Colts.

Im a .45 guy also myself. I carry a 5" 1911 80% of the time, And a XD SC .40 when i need a small gun for better concealment.
Imo id look at non 1911's unless you are a patient person and can tweak things yourself.
The first 3 i mentioned hide as well as most compact 9mm's, Just keep a spare mag on you if you choose anything but the PT145 as it has a large capacity for its size. And a well proven gun at that.

Skylerbone
August 29, 2010, 03:00 PM
A buddy of mine bought a Taurus 1911 for his wife 5 weeks ago. Nice fit and finish for the money, almost as good as his Citadel. Just got a text that the Taurus slide cracked today at less than 1000 rounds. In all fairness his Citadel had problems feeding from the get go and had to be polished and I believe reamed but now functions flawlessly.

If it must be .45 and it must be compact, I would suggest a nice used Colt, S&W or DW 1911. For non-1911s i would look at a 3rd Gen S&W. I have an M&P 9c for now but may upgrade when money allows.

Good luck and stay safe.

saenzrich
August 29, 2010, 03:21 PM
xd 45 compact or ria 45 compact tactical are great smaller 45's

DasFriek
August 29, 2010, 08:38 PM
The 3rd gen S&W Chiefs Special is an amazing gun if you can find one.

stusmith
August 29, 2010, 08:59 PM
I had a Taurus 24/7 .45. It was very picky with ammo. Had all kinds of feed problems with it. Mostly problems with Winchester white-box, but also had problems with other brands of ball ammo. Taurus makes great guns--don't get me wrong. But I just didn't have much luck with the 24/7. I have a PT145 that is a great little compact .45.

Ended up trading in the 24/7 for a Springfield XD .40. I have been VERY impressed with the Springfield XD. It fits my hand perfectly (even with Crimson Trace laser grips). I've shot over 1,500 rounds through it--everything from high-quality personal defense rounds to cheap reloads from the gun range, and I haven't had a single misfire or misfeed. If you're looking for a solid, well made, inexpensive pistol, you can't go wrong with the Springfield XD. Easy to shoot, easy to clean. All around, my favorite pistol.

I like the .40 because I get a few extra rounds in the mag. Don't get me wrong--.45 is awesome (I own two). The .40 is my primary carry gun, but I have carried the .45 as well (and still do on occasion).

My advice---go with what feels the best in your hand. How the gun fits your hand is more important than the name (to an extent). Sig, Glock, Ruger, and Springfield are all quality pistols. Stay away from the cheaper ones (like Hi-Point) if it's going to be a personal protection/carry gun. Remember, if you life depends on it, it must work, 100% of the time.

jon_in_wv
August 29, 2010, 09:05 PM
Hard to go wrong with a compact 1911, Glock, M&P, or a XD. Those would be my top pics with the M&P or XD getting first pic.

Col. Plink
August 29, 2010, 09:09 PM
I have the XD45T, and +1 on "I have been VERY impressed with the Springfield XD. It fits my hand perfectly. I've shot over 1,500 rounds through it--everything from high-quality personal defense rounds to cheap reloads from the gun range, and I haven't had a single misfire or misfeed. If you're looking for a solid, well made, inexpensive pistol, you can't go wrong with the Springfield XD. Easy to shoot, easy to clean. All around, my favorite pistol."

Thought about getting the XDm45, but why?

jpwilly
August 29, 2010, 09:20 PM
The PT-145 Mil Pro 3rd Gen is my compact 45ACP. Shooting it at the range is good fun. Not nearly as accurate as the PT1911 but still plenty good for SD. Hard to argue with 10+1 45ACP that reliably feeds, is comfortable to carry and points naturally. The SA/DA trigger is a really nice bonus. Only thing I'd like to change would be to get some night sights for it.

DasFriek
August 29, 2010, 09:32 PM
The PT-145 Mil Pro 3rd Gen is my compact 45ACP. Shooting it at the range is good fun Granted i had the PT745 single stack version, I never once remember saying "This is Fun". It was a great gun imo and about as small of a .45 as you can get, And very well priced.

I normally carry a PT1911 80% of the time except when i need a smaller gun and the XD SC .40 is an amazing gun when you cant get a .45 small enough.
I use Winchester Talon series .40 ammo and i have as much confidence in it as i do my .45 with the same ammo. I just cant get the .40 back on target as fast as the 1911 yet. But im still practicing.

astropowell
August 29, 2010, 10:00 PM
I can echo the several suggestions for the Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro 3rd gen. Mine is still pretty new, with only two trips to the range. But each trip I put over 200 rounds (several brands) through it with no malfunctions of any kind. I don't find it uncomfortable to shoot at all. I will be taking the concealed carry course soon. I was planning to use a full sized 1911 that is match quality for the qualification, but the PT145 has shot so well I am not concerned about qualifying with it in the least.

Azb
August 29, 2010, 10:12 PM
Im Kinda in heat over the new FNs...
FNP 45 USG is my daily carry. Awesome gun.

Az

DasFriek
August 29, 2010, 10:13 PM
Well im a wuss then :)
The 745 is a thinner gripped gun so maybe thats why i need a diaper change.
Im a .45acp guy all the way, But the recoil was very hard to overcome and bring back down on target. It reminded me of what a .40 +P would feel like shooting in a small gun if they ever made it.
But i still highly recommend the PT745 tho as a ccw.

230therapy
August 29, 2010, 10:39 PM
Draw a triangle from the top of the slide to the muzzle, from the muzzle to the bottom of the magazine and from the bottom of the magazine back to the top of the slide.

The height of the gun will determine the concealability of the gun (when mounted on the belt). A height of four and three quarters inches is a very good maximum for convenient concealed carry. You can increase concealability by choosing a holster with adjustable cant. More forward cant means less grip sticks out straight back. If you can find a gun that is 4.5" tall or less (excluding the sights), you will probably find that gun to be VERY concealable.

1911 pistols are very tall at approximately 5.5". The S&W 686 is as tall and the dog leg shape does not improve the situation. You can increase concealability with extreme forward cant, one size larger shirts, and revolver stocks that do not extend past the bottom of the revolver's frame.

Width does matter somewhat. However, this can be mitigated by choosing a holster with split loops. Mounting the loops on the face of the holster needlessly increases the overall thickness of the package: gun + two layers of holster + belt + loops + outside snap. Eliminate about 1/4" by splitting the loops like on the Milt Sparks VersaMax II.

Width in the grip can also make a difference. It's important to not have competition magazine wells on the bottom of the gun. Bumper pads are fine on the spare magazines, but not on the one in the gun if your goal is to avoid printing. A standard Glock 17 grip is not too wide at all.

The length of the slide generally does not matter if you're using an inside-the-waistband holster. Obviously, it does matter if you're concealing the gun on an outside the pants holster. I have also found that the longer slides can cause the gun to dig into the torso when seated in a soft chair. Also, the backside of your pants can press upon the muzzle area of the holster (especially if the holster has forward cant) and cause the gun to rock back. This can be alleviated somewhat by sitting with good posture, a heavy gun belt (such as the Comp-Tac kydex reinforced belt), and looser pants.

Incidentally, the Glock 19/23/32 is approximately 4 3/4" tall with magazine inserted. If you go to the store, get a Glock 19 out and start comparing overall heights. You will find that the XD 45 Compact and S&W M&P 45 Compact are Glock 19 sized! You get 10+1 with the XD and 8+1 with the M&P. I have found these two pistols seem to be the most compact while maintaining decent capacity. The SIG P220 Compact is also Glock 19 sized, but the capacity is only 6+1. It's too inefficient for the price, weight and size. If you need a 1911, then look at the Dan Wesson CCO and similar guns. Another gun to consider is the HK USP 45 Compact with flat based magazines. Its shape is a bit weird and it's a bit too tall, but it may be what you're looking for (note: felt recoil is a bit high due to the high bore axis).

Another contender is the Glock 30 SF. It shoots almost like a Glock 19! The only issue I have with the gun is how the magazine is cut up into the grip. The bumper pad is where the small finger has to rest. Not an issue? Try doing fast reloads! You'll smack the pad of your pinky between the bumper and the frame. The shooter also has to release the grip with his or her pinky...it's very, very annoying. Glock really needs to change the design to be like their other models.

My vote goes for the M&P 45. You get the same capacity as a 1911. APEX makes M&P trigger kits that significantly improve the feel and performance of the M&P trigger. I tried a stock M&P next to an APEX equipped M&P and much preferred the APEX equipped gun.

I've already done this search and came up with the following list:

S&W M&P 45 Compact
Springfield XD 45 Compact
HK USP 45 Compact
"Officers" length 1911's (I prefer 4.25" slides versus very short slides)
Glock 30SF
SIG P220 Compact (lots of roll to the recoil, single stack)
Glock 36 (lots of recoil, single stack)
Glock 21 with grip cut to Glock 30 dimensions
Kahr K45 (I think that's the model. Single stack and it's a Kahr...so could have reliability issues)


Notice the Kahr is last. I've not had great luck with reliably running Kahrs. I think there are better guns out there.

I'm not big on Taurus either. I just don't think the quality is there for the price. I'd rather spend $150 more and get a better gun, especially for carry. For me, I'm just more patient than most and will wait the extra months it takes to save up. Then again, I did have to learn the hard way...about 10 times.

HappyHunting
August 29, 2010, 11:15 PM
I'm doing what I can concealing a commander 1911 now. I'm 6'1'' 180 though.

The good thing is if(when) I get a CCO or equivalent I can use the same holster.

MICHAEL T
August 29, 2010, 11:20 PM
Colt defender or New Agent gets my nod for carry Officer size still heavy So if going small go a little lighter. Defender been around for several years So their pretty much a proven gun alloy frame is fine My 9mm Commander is alloy frame from 1951 I bought used How many rounds no idea.

jpwilly
August 29, 2010, 11:23 PM
Well im a wuss then
The 745 is a thinner gripped gun so maybe thats why i need a diaper change.
Im a .45acp guy all the way, But the recoil was very hard to overcome and bring back down on target. It reminded me of what a .40 +P would feel like shooting in a small gun if they ever made it.
But i still highly recommend the PT745 tho as a ccw.

Not sure as I have never shot the 745 version. I considered it vs the 145 but the .15" slimmer 745 thickness wasn't enough to win out 10+1 capacity of the 145. I find it comfortable to shoot not once have I even thought about it. My LCP with +P is much more snappy. My brother had a little 9x18mm something that by far was the most uncomfortable little bugger to shoot and it was all metal...go figure.

handloader357
August 29, 2010, 11:59 PM
Thanks to all of you guys for the great responses and info. I've done a bunch of reading today as well and I think I've got it narrowed to the XD, FN and Taurus (in that order). I found a shop that has all 3 in stock at damn near Gunbroker prices - I'm going to sneak out of work in the morning and go feel them out. I just hope I don't buy all 3, my wife would crap a purple twinkie when that CC statement comes.

I've contemplated the 40's, but I don't think the extra few rounds of capacity outweighs the expense of getting into another caliber. I already have dies, bullets and tons of brass for 45, not to mention more reloaded and factory ammo than I can count. I'm sure any of the 3 new pistols I mentioned will eat up the loads I have worked up for my Frankenstein 1911's - they're stiff target loads, but still well below max.

Again, many thanks - you guys rock!

Azb
August 30, 2010, 12:17 AM
I've contemplated the 40's, but I don't think the extra few rounds of capacity outweighs the expense of getting into another caliber.
That's the beauty of the FNP 45, you don't give up any capacity. 15+1 of .45.

Az

45Fan
August 30, 2010, 08:27 AM
I have no experience with the RI 1911 Officer model, but my SA Ultra compact has been nothing less than reliable. Good magazines go a long way to keeping them running smooth. Going to any pistol that is a doube stack would most likely make the package thicker, and possibly harder to conceal. Somebody sugested a PF-9, and if you can stomach going to a 9mm, is not a bad choice, and for the price, you can come home with a pistol, a few mags, and a box or two of practice ammo, and be in the ball park of even a RI 1911.

CDR_Glock
August 30, 2010, 09:01 AM
Thanks to all of you guys for the great responses and info. I've done a bunch of reading today as well and I think I've got it narrowed to the XD, FN and Taurus (in that order). I found a shop that has all 3 in stock at damn near Gunbroker prices - I'm going to sneak out of work in the morning and go feel them out. I just hope I don't buy all 3, my wife would crap a purple twinkie when that CC statement comes.

I've contemplated the 40's, but I don't think the extra few rounds of capacity outweighs the expense of getting into another caliber. I already have dies, bullets and tons of brass for 45, not to mention more reloaded and factory ammo than I can count. I'm sure any of the 3 new pistols I mentioned will eat up the loads I have worked up for my Frankenstein 1911's - they're stiff target loads, but still well below max.

Again, many thanks - you guys rock!

You can't go wrong with an FN that has serious capacity as a double stack 45 has.

BTW: what holster were you using on your 1911? I also assume you have a Government sized 1911. I use a Don Hume, Galco Summer Comfort or Crossbreed Supertuck Style holster, amongst different guns of different sizes. The right holster and belt make a world of difference for concealed carry. I told my friend about mine and he carries the XD 45 - instead if shelling out more for another gun FWIW. YMMV.

samurai
August 30, 2010, 09:08 AM
My carry 45 was a M&P 45c, now its shares the duty with a Colt Defender Plus-same number of rounds, thinner and lighter. The only problem is that they are hard to find.

dogsoldier0513
August 30, 2010, 09:27 AM
My current EDC is a Glock G36. I love the light weight and famous Glock reliability. However, the G36 simply doesn't fit my hand. So....I'm going back to a 1911. Live and learn...... :/

PX15
August 30, 2010, 09:36 AM
FWIW:

I've had full sized 1911's in the past, and always been attracted to them, but they were always a bit too large, for me, for personal carry..

I wound up with a 3rd Gen S&W CS45 and really like it.

I've never been comfortable with a single-action firearm for carry, and the CS45 solves that problem in a reasonable sized package. In fact the CS45 is only marginally larger than my CS9.

My CS45 was bought used, but little used, for $450.00.

Just another option.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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jackpinesavages
August 30, 2010, 09:45 AM
Here it is...

http://www.dawsonprecision.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=80000757-1170262660

The Lone Haranguer
August 30, 2010, 09:47 AM
I've been reading up on the Rock Island Officers size guns and Citadel Compact 1911 which seem like alot of gun for a low price.
The reliability of 1911s shorter than 4 1/4 inches (Commander sized) is often a crap shoot. But, in fairness, I read of far fewer complaints about these than a certain other brand that costs twice as much. I would suggest a S&W M&P .45 compact (new), 457 (used) or 4516 (used). The latter gun, although compact, is rather heavy due to being all stainless steel, but is probably little or no heavier than the RIA or Citadel, which are also all steel. The Glock 30 and 36 are also in this general size range and are reliable, but I am less than thrilled with them. The former is unnecessarily thick, the latter needs another round or two, without the grip/magazine design oddity.

W.E.G.
August 30, 2010, 10:02 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/137/products_id/42295

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bds
August 30, 2010, 10:21 AM
Going to any pistol that is a double stack would most likely make the package thicker, and possibly harder to conceal.
Not so. Many consider Glock 26/27 as a very small carry package. Taurus PT145 comes very close to G27 dimensions:

Glock 27:
WIDTH - 1.18"
LENGTH - 6.29"
HEIGHT - 4.8" (with +1 Pearce mag extension - 4.17" with 9rd factory flush magazine)

Taurus PT145:
WIDTH - 1.25"
LENGTH - 6.125"
HEIGHT - 5.125"

Here's PT145 next to G27 with +1 mag extension:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=126845&stc=1&d=1283178089

Dobe
August 30, 2010, 10:30 AM
Take a look at the HK45c. It shoots very well, and it may give you the size you are looking for.

handloader357
August 30, 2010, 10:34 AM
You can't go wrong with an FN that has serious capacity as a double stack 45 has.

BTW: what holster were you using on your 1911? I also assume you have a Government sized 1911. I use a Don Hume, Galco Summer Comfort or Crossbreed Supertuck Style holster, amongst different guns of different sizes. The right holster and belt make a world of difference for concealed carry. I told my friend about mine and he carries the XD 45 - instead if shelling out more for another gun FWIW. YMMV.

I've tried a few different holsters at gun shows. The only place I felt it was concealed enough and didn't cause me to have to stand all the time was in the small of my back. I'm barely 5'8" in thick shoes and have issues with anything IWB and up front, especially since my waist started expanding. I should probably just get my fat ass to a gym - but anyway. The other problem which really should be a thread of its own is reliability of my 1911s. They're really both my project guns. One of them is a early *postwar National Match top that sat in a cigar box until 2006 when it was given to me. I worked up a lower for it and had the top professionally fit. Its great for target shooting and even feeds SWC's fairly well, but that 1 in 100 occasional FTF with anything other than hardball makes me worry. At least I know I'm surgical with the thing and that one in the chamber is going to do it's job. The second one, which was the one I've been carrying, I built and fit all myself is a hardball gun. If I feed it 230 FMJ ball it'll run just like JMB intended. But it needs a good "reliability" tune by someone who actually knows what their doing before it'll feed anything else and I would like to use HP ammo. Additionally, If I had a 4" or smaller gun that doesn't have a hammer and beavertail sticking out the back it'll recover precious real estate inside my pants.

Sorry all you 9mm guys, I've never liked that round and I'm loaded to the gills with .45 acp components. Also, sorry to the Glock guys as well - In many ways Glocks are phenomenal guns, but I can't stand their loose chambers in the larger bore weapons and polygonal rifling. There's more than 1 way to make a gun reliable and a loose chamber isn't my favorite way to do it. If I needed a 9mm defense gun, I probably would go with a Glock but I really don't care for their other offerings.

Russ Jackson
September 7, 2010, 02:55 PM
Look for a vintage Detonics Combat Master. I just bought one to carry. It was my first carry gun and I have missed it ever since I sold it so I bought another...Russ

Rogue6
September 7, 2010, 04:33 PM
I did quite a bit of research on this very issue and I ended up with the S&W M&P 45c. I've been very happy with it, and with the Horseshoe Holsters IWB that I ordered for it.

BlindJustice
September 7, 2010, 04:50 PM
Hey Handloader357

#1 - if you have a National Match prior to the '70 Series be
aware they have interior cuts in the slide and the slide is
lighter than a Goverment model and only light Target loads no
hardball. It'll ruin/beat up the slide.

I have a full size 1911 and carry it. but would loke as you state a bit shorter and lighter for carry the 2 I like are
A) S&W M&P 45C Compact w/thumb safety it also comes with no thum
safety but it's the same action as a 1911 thumb safety so the same
motion - I handled one of these at the range where I'm a member. It fit
my hand very well, it comes with 3 different backstraps for altering the grip.
I shot a regular sized M&P in .40 S&W and compared to my shooting buddies
Glock 19 - I Liked the trigger, controls sights, and grip much better.
Also it seemed remarkably thin for a douuble stack - looked up the spec.
and it's 1.2" heck my 1911 is 1.4"

Then there's the 1911 variants with a Commander length 4.25 Bbl/slide on the Officers frame 7+1 .45 and the ballistics of a 4.25" Bbl. Colt called the
one they no longer build the Combat Carry Officers aka CCO. S&W has one
in this format called the Compact ES. SIg also makes 3 or 4 modles of CCO
flavor. WIlson and Kimber also have 4" Bbl. variants

however, the M&P 45C is hard to beat at the price - Buds $570

Randall M

ForumSurfer
September 7, 2010, 04:55 PM
I carry a Kimber Pro CDP II all day (except for when I'm at work) with no issues. I carry it in a cheapo high noon split decision. Works for me...better than my more expensive holsters.

Almond27
September 7, 2010, 05:12 PM
I've been debating this same topic also a compact .45 for my first carry gun. All of the Taurus owner's that have chimed in what is the PT145 trigger like? I handled one at a local dealer and it seemed long and didn't break quite as clean as I'd like. I really like the Smith and Wesson M&P compact because I'm left handed and its ambi slide release and changeable mag release to right side which is much better feeling for me as a lefty.

Roswell_Kid
September 7, 2010, 05:12 PM
If you have a traditionalist orientation, you might check out the little Springfield 1911 GI Micro Compact (http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=14). All steel, parkerized (looks better as holster wear accumulates :D), no-nonsense and not expensive. I have to find a way to get one of those down here.

Creature
September 7, 2010, 05:20 PM
That's easy: a Colt Commander.

http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/45coltcombatcommander.jpg

dogdollar
September 7, 2010, 05:46 PM
I carry a Gunsite CCO, and I can't imagine a better carry piece, but, of course, they are very hard to find and you indicated you didn't like alloy frames anyway so......I hear GREAT things from owners of the M&P .45's...I'd have a look at those if I were in the market.
This guy does some custom work on them.....I am not familiar enough to comment on that aspect, but there are some really nice weapons in the gallery here : http://www.burwellguns.com/index.htm
Good luck,
DD

twsnnva
September 7, 2010, 06:02 PM
Though it's not on your list, may I suggest you take a look at the Ruger P345? It has a very thin profile which makes it great for CC. It's also very reliable, I've put 5K+ rounds though mine without a single failure to feed or eject. I also give it high marks as far as accuracy goes -- I am definitely the weak link in that chain. :p It's also priced right. You can find the blued model for around $425 or the stainless for about $450. Here's a link if you'd like to take a look.

http://www.ruger.com/products/p345/index.html

-Thomas

lambertiana
September 7, 2010, 06:22 PM
For daily carry I really like the Glock G30. It shoots like a dream, is compact, what's not to like?

I have small hands, yet I don't have any issues with the grip. Maybe I have just gotten used to it.

230therapy
September 7, 2010, 07:55 PM
If you're going with a Detonics, the magazine capacity is 6 rounds. It is not clear to me if the gun is still in production. SIG, however, still has their P220 Compact (which is Glock 19 sized), Glock still makes the Model 36 and Kahr has their little pistol in 45 ACP. Why go with a gun with little or no support?

Even if you do go with a 1911 style gun, there are many compact offerings from the major 1911 manufacturers.

ugaarguy
September 7, 2010, 08:26 PM
I know you said you've narrowed it down, but you also stated you're also a 1911 fan. The S&W M&P 45 and M&P 45 compact have as 1911-esque a feel as any striker fired pistol I've handled. Their thumb safeties feel just right to my 1911 fitting hands as well. Alternately, if you can find one, and if you have deep pockets, Dan Wesson is offering the Valor in a steel frame, bobtail, commander.

If you can stomach an aluminum frame, I'm in agreement with the previous poster about a CCO. The CCO gives you the reliability of a 4 1/4" Commander slide (as opposed to a 3.5" or shorter Officer's style pistol), with the short, concealable, Officer's length grip. Colt has dropped the CCO from their lineup, but Dan Wesson has again filled the void. I own or have owned Colt, Springfield, Dan Wesson, and Kimber 1911s. If the availability of my funds, and another DW align I'll get a DW as my next 1911. Their fit and finish exceed any other production 1911 on the market, and their internal parts are also top notch.

Hope this helps.

Russ Jackson
September 8, 2010, 06:04 PM
A few pictures of my favorite 1911 carry. Personally I think they are still one of the best even 30+ years later. I just purchased it from one of the members here.
Approx 1980 Detonics Mark VI Professional
http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/RussJackson/detonics3.jpg

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/RussJackson/detonics2.jpg

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/RussJackson/detonics1.jpg

...Russ

Zerodefect
September 8, 2010, 10:14 PM
Dan Wesson CCO Bobtail, cause it's hard to get a good "little" 1911. Should conceal as well or better than my G23.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/dan-wesson-cco-bobtail/

gym
September 8, 2010, 10:34 PM
S&W CS 45, Glock 30, 36. Gunsite 45, Para alloy P-13, just a few I have carried over the years. I like the XD series also and the M&P

jpwilly
September 9, 2010, 12:53 AM
I've been debating this same topic also a compact .45 for my first carry gun. All of the Taurus owner's that have chimed in what is the PT145 trigger like? I handled one at a local dealer and it seemed long and didn't break quite as clean as I'd like. I really like the Smith and Wesson M&P compact because I'm left handed and its ambi slide release and changeable mag release to right side which is much better feeling for me as a lefty.

The trigger is pretty good. Shooting it and oiling mine has slicked it up. Trigger pull is longer than my 1911's - it's suppost to be. But for SD and practice at the range very usable. I would only give it a 5 out of 10. There's a lot of other virtues though.

Again if you want a nice compact 45acp pistol that has a lot going for especially for $300 the PT145 Mil Pro should get a look but if you want to spend more there are a lot of fine choices.

oldgoat46
September 9, 2010, 10:05 PM
Kahr PM 45 you won't be sorry.

bartman06
September 10, 2010, 11:06 AM
I conceal carry a M&P45c and i love it. I've owned a Glock 21 and 30 and they were awesome but I wanted something thinner that i could grip a little higher so i had more control over my shots. Did you think of the Taurus 1911? Its not priced too high. I haven't really heard anything bad about it but I don't own one.

Good luck, let us know how it goes.

Viper
September 10, 2010, 01:55 PM
I warm weather I pocket carry a PM45 either in front pants or inside jacket. I have three Kahr's with a combined total of over 2500 rounds, and haven't had one problem with any of them.

In colder weather I can carry the one of the Kahr's or a M&P c 45, XD c 45, or P220 on the belt. All of these pistols have been 100% except the XD had two FTFeeds in the first 30 rounds. It's also been flawless since.

Gravelbelly
September 17, 2010, 01:26 AM
QUOTE: FNP 45 USG is my daily carry. Awesome gun.

Az

Azb- How much do you weigh and how tall? do u basically have to where hawaiian shirts every day?

Im looking to buy a FNP-45 or a XDM 45 or XD45 leaning heavily toward the FNP45. I weigh 220(Im in the gym every day.), 6.0ft. What holster?

Valkman
September 17, 2010, 01:43 AM
I really like the XD45 Compact in that you can carry with a 10rd mag for concealability and carry a 13rd mag for backup. That is my carry gun when I don't carry the Kimber Compact CDP, another awesome gun.

03Shadowbob
September 17, 2010, 07:34 AM
I love 4" 1911s for different reasons but most of all is performance and accuracy. I do have my eyes open for a Colt New Agent though.
I have heard nothing but great things about RIAs so that may be a good choice if you want to go the 1911 route.
If not 1911, I had a Glock 36 once and it was a great gun. I think Kahr makes a small 45 also.
A lot depends on where/how you will carry and if you don't mind the "bulk" of Glock type guns. 1911's are skinny guns which work best for me.
Good luck and enjoy!

gtmtnbiker98
September 17, 2010, 09:06 AM
HK45c.

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