Do Cold Steel Knives live up to the Hype?


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CDR_Glock
August 30, 2010, 09:41 PM
I watch the amazing videos in their site and I am at awe. I always wanted a Tanto. Do the Cold Steel Tanto's really hold up to the abuse and live up to the hype?

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nevermas
August 30, 2010, 11:38 PM
I think cold steel's quality have steeply decreased over the years, not that they were that high to begin with. check what steel you are getting, as many of their products lately have been made with lower quality steel.

Don't buy into all the hype you watch on their site, their advertising practices are another reason why I dislike cold steel.

M-Cameron
August 30, 2010, 11:45 PM
some of cold steels stuff is pretty decent.........and then some of its utter crap.....


the important thing to remember is....when theyre making thier videos....they have as many knives as they need....you only have one......so i would advise not jamming it through any car doors or using them as stepping platforms.

zignal_zero
August 31, 2010, 01:41 AM
one of the toughest knives i have is a Cold Steel. it is the original Carbon V (U.S. made) Recon Tanto. i trust that knife more than any other in my stable. it's a TANK.

on another site, i found an original Carbon V SRK. if you can get ahold of one of these, i think you'll find that it might not quite live up to the hype, but it will come very close.

kdstrick
August 31, 2010, 02:03 AM
A cool website: http://www.knifetests.com/

Nothing hangs with the Busse's, but they are quite a bit more expensive than the Cold Steels.

Enjoy.

JTW Jr.
August 31, 2010, 09:16 AM
Cold steel = over priced hype.

ps. Knifetests is more like knife destruction than actual testing. Knifetests goes along with CS hype if you ask me.

hso
August 31, 2010, 10:06 AM
Over hyped, but their marketing is over the top and intended to be dramatic.

If we ignore the hyperbole the question becomes one of value. They provide good value in some products and are overpriced for others.

CDR_Glock
August 31, 2010, 10:07 AM
I want a Master or Magnum Tanto.

M-Cameron
August 31, 2010, 10:29 AM
im gonna be honest with you......there are plenty of knives out there that are FAR better than the CS tantos....especially for $300.....


but if its just something cool, you love the way it looks, you really want one.....then buy it, because if you end up not getting the one you want ....and end up getting something your really not into, its not gonna get used anyways.

nevermas
August 31, 2010, 11:10 AM
a hundred dollars more and you get a significant bump in quality/performance/resale value for the Chris Reeve umnumzaan tanto

Texas Gun Person
August 31, 2010, 12:22 PM
Cold Steel's quality is all over the place.

Some knives are great... some are OK... some are crap.

hso
August 31, 2010, 12:40 PM
Buy this instead and you'll have something to brag about.
http://paulchenhanweiswords.com/images/products/display/SH1203.jpg
http://www.manventureoutpost.com/products/CAS-Hanwei-SH1203-Kami-Tanto.html

dan3
August 31, 2010, 03:14 PM
I have two of the Cold Steel Recon Tantos in carbon V - they have held up very well over the years. They are built like tanks - have been used and abused - and still perform. IMO they are worth what I paid for them. They are NOT magical blades able to slice through everything with just a flick of the wrist...but they have met my expectations.

zignal_zero
August 31, 2010, 07:09 PM
yea, my (Carbon V) Recon Tanto was my "go to blade" for a long time, it's always impressed me. BUT - when a client sent me a Magnum Tanto, omg, i'd prolly have his sheath done by now if i could stop fondling that thing. one BEAUTIFUL piece of equipment.

CDR_Glock
September 1, 2010, 11:49 PM
I found a great deal on a CS Magnum IX Tanto. I can find a new scabbard/sheath.

http://coldsteelforums.com/Magnum-Tanto-IXSPF-m112060.aspx

I was going to the site since I saw a CS Master Tanto. This one that I bought, cost a lot, lot less.

Bluehawk
September 2, 2010, 12:12 AM
I have an older CS Kobun...don't think they have made them for a few years now...I've always liked it and for the price was worth it.
Anyone know much about that model?

50 Shooter
September 2, 2010, 01:11 PM
I just bought a Kobun, it's not on the same level as the other Tanto's that I own. The crossguard is rubber which I can deal with but as soon as I took it out and saw that it was made in Taiwan...

It would be nice to see CS go back to making the knives here in the U.S.

Bluehawk
September 2, 2010, 05:12 PM
I'm mistaken then as I had not seen them in their catalog for some time now. My Kobun was made in Japan.

Joe Demko
September 2, 2010, 05:39 PM
I have a CS Tanto and also a Laredo Bowie. If I had had to pay what they typically sell for at retail, I'd own neither. I purchased each of them new for under $100. What you have to do is prospect ebay carefully for poorly worded item descriptions and photos. These typically don't attract much in the way of bidding. Once in a while, you'll end up with a real buy. The times you don't are unimportant, as you don't have to pay for items you don't win.

CDR_Glock
September 2, 2010, 11:04 PM
One must be careful. There are counterfeit CS tanto's that I have seen on eBay.

I cannot wait to get my Tanto and the Spyderfly Szabofly that I just bought this evening.

Zoogster
September 3, 2010, 12:00 AM
Depends on the knife.

Cold Steel sells knives designed and made from all over the place. So "Cold Steel" as a label would be a poor way to determine quality.

Some of them are very good, and some are pretty poor.

You can look into the steel and design of many of the knives.

I have found a couple of their folders to have stronger locks than even many higher quality knives, and the knife to be quite durable.
I primary looked because there is not a lot of manufacturers that make large folders (no blade length limit in my state) with a robust build and a lock that can take hundreds of pounds of force.


I know they are also known for making some good inexpensive entry level swords for actually hitting things with, like at some renaissance events or mock fighting events.
Most cheap swords on the market are for display and will quickly break if you begin to hit things with them.
While those built for actual use typically cost quite a bit more.



One of the only things I disliked is all the hype and weapon orientation of the marketing. I am sure it is responsible for a lot of their business, but it also means if you actually buy any of their items it would be presumed to have been purchased as a weapon in court.
Which for some reason is okay with a gun and when good guys buy guns for weapons, but if you buy a bladed item as a weapon and carry it you are presumed a bad guy in a court of law. It is a double standard but it tends to hold true in court and for jury members.


One of their better folders was the original Rajah. It was extremely durable. Not a blade design really suitable as a weapon, but the durability and lock was extremely rugged. So it was good for chopping tasks. (Of course it is no hatchet.) The new versions of the Rajah looks much cheaper with plastic in important places that once were metal, but may hold up well.
Of course a cheap machete is more durable and much less expensive to replace, so I wouldn't use a folder for the type of heavy work such a blade design is good for on a regular basis.

I have noticed a general cheapening of some of their knives lately.
The above comments on the Kobun, and my own observations on several of former good knives makes this obvious. Many previously great knives are know offered in zytel or plastic, and since the metal handle of a folder offers a lot of the rigidity, the same design in plastic or with a plastic handle would obviously be more prone to warping under high stress, causing even the best of lock to be less durable if the dimensions of the frame change.
Obviously designed of more plastic to meet a lower price point and wider market.
But they still have some good stuff, you just have to avoid the junk.
They also have a large selection of knives that are no better than other inexpensive makers.
Only some of their products are really worth going specifically to them, and sadly they seem to be updating them, including some with great reputations into cheaper models.


I like the large folders with abnormally strong locks because my state has few restrictions on them, while being restrictive on fixed blades requiring them to be openly carried which is not practical or convenient.
I even use folders for some traditional outdoors activities a fixed blade is better for because storage in route is typically concealed in a pack of some sort, which can be technically in felony violation of the law.
So I can be found filleting a fish on the public beach with a folder instead of a fixed blade for example.
Or using a folder as a preparation or eating utensil when bum camping instead of a fixed blade. Because eventually it has to be put away and carried off in a public place.

.45&TKD
September 3, 2010, 12:11 AM
if you actually buy any of their items it would be presumed to have been purchased as a weapon in court.
Which for some reason is okay with a gun and when good guys buy guns for weapons, but if you buy a bladed item as a weapon and carry it you are presumed a bad guy in a court of law.

Zoogster, any real life cases of this happening or are you speaking hypothetically?

Zoogster
September 3, 2010, 12:43 PM
I have seen a few cases of it in particular.

The problem with such cases is they are not reported as a guy using self defense getting railroaded, but rather it is a story that someone was attacked with a knife or a mutual combatant used a knife.
Only in the details long after it is news does it come to resemble self-defense.


There is a lot of discretion in how a particular incident is reported, and how the results are viewed.
This is at multiple levels.
Police and detectives are more inclined to give more benefit of the doubt to a self defense shooter (absent other facts that bias them against the shooter) acting in a way they can relate to (and they all carry guns) and write a less biased report in general than a stabber all things equal. They will arrest both typically, but the report can shape perspective in court later.
Users of a blade tend to be viewed more as aggressors or mutual combatants, unless special circumstances show otherwise (like a home invaded, during robbery of business etc.)
Most self defense scenarios are less than perfectly clear to outsiders that were not present, with conflicting stories, and in such situations a bias can seriously hamper the legal outcome.

Jurors, especially those with limited or no experience with violence can understand pulling a trigger or pressing a button out of fear to stop a threat, but are far less able to relate to savagely cutting or stabbing someone in the ways necessary to stop them while grappling.

Shooting till the threat is stopped is much more easily done, while stabbing or cutting until the threat is stopped can result in what seems like a very excessive number of stabs in a courtroom.
Your average person on a jury familiar only with perceptions such as those promoted in movies thinks someone is instantly incapacitated from a stab or shot, or keels over.
With a gun a few more shots gives a rapid in the moment perception, but even though deep stabs or slashes can be just as rapid, the perception is that they are slow and it would take a long time to accumulate a high stab count. This increases the perception that what may have been enough to stop the threat in reality was excessive force.
Several shots is far more likely to seem reasonable than a dozen stab wounds.
In fact with 2-3 deep stabs a second possible, a couple dozen stab wounds while wrestling before they cease being a threat is quite possible. You know how many that sounds like when the prosecutor counts them off one at a time with a pause between each?

Someone can also fire a shot or two and stop, when at range, and assess before continuing if necessary while retaining control in many circumstances. But while in a struggle and using a bladed weapon that pause could easily mean losing the upper hand, being overpowered, being disarmed, seriously injured, or killed.
With a gun you step back and retain the advantage and control, and can then fire more if they continue the assault. With a knife you step back and the attacker regains a much more neutral position if they choose to continue the assault.
So you are at a decided disadvantage after the fact when your actions are being scrutinized as well, or at a disadvantage if in the second go they manage to inflict serious or lethal damage to you after you had previously had the advantage but stopped.



Search for cases where someone is said to have defended themselves with a knife. That is rarely the way the story is told to the public, even if that is what happened. While you will find endless such stories of self defense with a firearm. But you can be sure it is not because of a lack of people utilizing knives as self defense tools. Rather it stems from a very different perception of the users of such tools and how people relate.
The exact same situation where you use a gun in self defense in public and are treated initially as a victim or at least neutrally will often have you seen as the aggressor, mutual combatant, or user of excessive force with a knife.
You will also see a disparity of force defended often if a gun is used against a bigger stronger violent attacker, or against more than one. How often do you hear of a disparity of force if someone pulls a knife on someone unarmed?
You typically don't, the knife puller becomes the bad guy. Instead you would hear about multiple stabbing "victims".

Another part of the equation is perception to witnesses. The user of a knife is actively engaged in moving and attacking, even in defense. You can't wait for an attacker to impale themselves on the knife to stop an attack. :neener:
There is multiple slashing and holding techniques, but almost all techniques require actively going for targets on the other's body.
While the user of a gun in self defense is typically not advancing, and is often standing still or retreating or back peddling or hiding behind cover. The bullets close the gap and go for the targets. These movements seem less aggressive after the fact. While the active attack of the knife user gives more of a perception of pursuing the conflict.
The user of a gun can also appear more calm, collected, and responsible during and after self defense. While the knife "attacker" defending themselves is engaged in aggressive high intensity movements that will leave them looking both more violent in the moment, and leave them more exhausted and strained and less composed after wards.
As a result the gun user can be easier to relate to as the good guy, methodically doing everything right. While the knife user looks more violent and savage and random.
The same perception extends even further if the incident is recorded.



Now imagine on top of all that the prosecutor putting in the Cold Steel demonstration video to show the weapon you used...the "weapon" you went out of your way to acquire.
For some reason you get brownie points in society for being disarmed and randomly acquiring an available weapon in a life or death situation. But if you carry one around or brought one, you are seen as someone looking for a problem.
Guns though escape some of this. Even a soccer mom or house wife on the jury can often understand wanting to have a gun in case one of the bigger stronger men in the world poses a threat, and this is increased as concealed handgun permits become more mainstream.
But they certainly won't relate to using a blade to savagely take them down, getting covered in blood, and using various hands on techniques to accomplish it. They just can't relate, and that means you are far more likely to go to prison for it.

dairycreek
September 3, 2010, 02:16 PM
some of cold steels stuff is pretty decent.........and then some of its utter crap...

I got a Cold Steel folder as a retirement give some fifteen years ago and have put that knife through pure - - - - ! It has stood up to whatever I could dish out. Over the years I have purchased additional models and have found out that some are great - others not so great.

Their advertising is pure hype but also pretty accurate. The Cold Steel knives tend to perform as advertised - as flamboyant as it is. Caveat Emptor is a good rule to follow here.

.45&TKD
September 3, 2010, 03:48 PM
Zoogster, thank you for that well reasoned explanation.

As carrying a defensive knife for me is a back up to my CCW firearm or something to have if someone pulls a gun in close quarters in a "gun free zone" where I am otherwise unarmed, my knife usage would be in only the most extreme life and death situations. But you do make good points.

I am new to knives and I like the Cold Steel products and their videos, but one of the things that I got out of watching CS videos is how devastating knife attacks and knife wounds could be. Hopefully, a good defense attorney could make use of that info if a law abiding CCW had to shoot a knife wielding felon at the generally accepted 21 feet.

atomd
September 3, 2010, 05:55 PM
I'm with the "some of the stuff is decent and some is crap" group. They don't make anything spectacular but they make some ok stuff. They charge too much for their better stuff when really it's sort of middle of the road kind of quality.

Their cheaper stuff ranges from somewhat decent to pretty crappy. I've owned a few of their knives over the years and they aren't terrible but I wouldn't recommend them because I think you can usually find something better for the money (especially the >$100 stuff they sell). If you want a cheap $20 knife to beat the crap out of and possibly lose in the woods.....they are perfect for the job though. I'd buy one for that purpose in a heartbeat.

.45&TKD
September 3, 2010, 06:05 PM
I don't know about their "crappy" or "expensive" lines, but for $70 delivered off ebay you can't complain about the Recon Tanto. I especially think that the 2010 Recon 1 folder's are a great deal for $60 delivered or ebay. The Cold Steel stuff I've bought recently is sharp, tough as a tank, and cost effective. What's not to like?

strambo
September 3, 2010, 11:07 PM
Great post Zoog,

I carry an Emerson...but a few years ago I realized it wasn't a self defense knife at all even though I previously though it was. It takes 2 motions to get in action and is harder to do (more fine motor skills involved) than drawing a gun (not saying it is slow or all that hard...just "harder"). Further, even if I don't have a gun, I would still solve a close threat with my hands, not trying to deploy the knife while also fending off a deadly force threat with only my left arm.

Could it come into play, sure, just not likely. So I keep carrying it to do what it always does, open stuff. Overkill price-wise for the chore but oh well.

I also don't like slashing as favored by many "knife fighting" arts for the reasons mentioned in Zoogsters post (and it tends to be less effective). It creates exactly the type of wounds cops expect to see on victims! "Defanging the snake" (intercepting/slashing their weapon arm) looks just like them cowering in fear and you slashed their arm. I doubt witnesses will tell the difference in their testimony.

Stabs to certain parts of anatomy work quicker and look less brutal with way less blood (it's relative, they're still dead).

conw
September 4, 2010, 12:45 AM
I don't honestly think that you're less likely to get in trouble because you stab rather than slash someone. Sorry if I went overboard in paraphrasing, but is that seriously what you were saying strambo??

Bluehawk
September 4, 2010, 05:18 AM
Here is my older Japanese CS Kobun:

hso
September 4, 2010, 07:59 AM
Not to hijack the thread, but defensive wounds are on the back side of the forearms as opposed to FMA style attacks.

Roughneck08
September 4, 2010, 08:18 AM
I have had my Cold Steel Voyager for two years now and I love it. I got it when they were on sale it is 5 inch completely serrated. Got a great deal and has cut through all of my tasks with ease. I have several other of their products, but my voyager has been phenomenal.

strambo
September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM
I don't honestly think that you're less likely to get in trouble because you stab rather than slash someone. Sorry if I went overboard in paraphrasing, but is that seriously what you were saying strambo??Basically...but not that simple, it's just a point to ponder.

First, we are talking about a deadly force scenario, you should be doing whatever will best help you survive. I feel penetration is better than slashing based on anatomy and ancidotal ER evidence as well as historical evidence from when warfare was edged weapon dominant.

I have a photo that made the rounds of someone sliced deep all over his body. He's carved up like a side of beef. He killed the person who did it to him. So, I advocate using penetration for rapid incapacitaion as a survival tool.

As to the legalese (which only matters if you survive). Re-read Zoogster's post. The police are pre-disposed to see any knife event as being either a murder or at best mutual combat, not pure SD with the knife user being the good guy.

Anything that adds further evidence to this notion would be bad. As far as wound patterns: with a blade up grip, yes, the cut would be to either the inside or outside of the forearm and probably biased towards the top. However, with a down grip, the blade is used to trap as well as cut and the slash would be to the inside/outside and towards the bottom.

Hold you forearms up like a shield and think of someone slashing at your throat. You will get cut on the bottom, outside and inside of your forearms as they slash from side to side.

Add in the fact that the threat will switch from offense (after you "de-fang" his weapon) to defense...and he will get some classic "defensive wounds" as he tries to shield from your further slashing attacks.

When the dust settles, you are left with (lets assume for this case) dead attacker, his wound patterns and your word. If there are witnesses...hope they are good ones.

It may be a minor thing: having to deal with the criminal justice system after killing someone w/ a knife is gonna be bad either way. I would rather have to explain a small penetrating would to the heart, aorta and/or kidneys etc. (the knife equivalent of shooting) than all the cuts to his arms and why he was still the aggressor in spite of them.

That said: the legal battle comes after, I will use what I think is most effective to stay alive and deal with the aftermath. I don't think slashing is nearly as effective as penetration to certain anatomical areas. Either way it is going to be an ugly mess during the fight and in the courtroom.

Oh, I have a couple CS knives...there is some really good value in some of them like my Recon Tanto, small neck knife, and cheap (but rugged) folder I got in the PX for $30.

Bluehawk
September 4, 2010, 09:41 PM
why not move the knife fight debate over to the legal section??

45crittergitter
September 5, 2010, 04:27 PM
To answer the OP, no.

buddah
September 6, 2010, 08:16 AM
Many years ago cold steel had many products made in Seki, Japan. The stuff was very nice quality. Now CS has many knives made in China and the stuff is crap. For the $$ I would rather get a CRKT knife, it is made in china but the quality control and materials are better than CS. The quality is equal to if not better than the current CS line. I owned an original CS safekeeper w/ leather sheath and lost it. I went to go replace it w/ a current CS production safekeeper and you can tell the difference in steel and the crappy plastic sheath is worthless. To this day I still hate myself for losing that old school safekeeper. I also own a newer production voyager and it is sharp is hell but the cheap plastic clip broke after a week of carrying. I now stick w/ Benchmade, kershaw, and CRKT brands. Even SOG knives have gone down hill. The original SOG stuff was great. The current production stuff is crap.

CDR_Glock
September 6, 2010, 10:55 AM
Luckily the Tanto I bought was made in Japan.

zignal_zero
September 8, 2010, 12:45 AM
while i do really like my (U.S. made) Recon Tanto, am quite impressed with the CS's a client just sent me (to have sheaths made), and honestly feel CS had a lot to do with pushing the entire knife industry into more of a durability based midset, i remember this older guy, who owned a knife shop, telling me that Ontario was basically everything CS set out to be minus the hype. i have one coming, soon, and would be happy to find out he was correct being that they're made in the U.S. and quite inexpensive.

i needed a new camp knife and was eyeing the Recon Scout in San Mai III, but went with the Ontario Gen II SP42 instead. my logic was - Japanese made bowie (wow, that doesn't even sound right) for $200 or a U.S. made knife of similar dimensions and (hopefully) similar capabilities for 50bux. hmmmm..... yea, lemme see....

CDR_Glock
September 8, 2010, 07:29 PM
9" San Mai steel blade. OMG! This is amazing!

It has a solid construction, is razor sharp and has a great weight to it.

The sheath is thick, too. This is necessary since this beast will cut anything in his path. For me, this Tanto lives up to the hype.

ColdDeadHand
September 11, 2010, 03:05 PM
I have yet to get anything bad from Cold Steel. I never buy their high-end stuff.

I only shop the Special Projects website, so I buy at slightly lower prices.

My Recon I has been at my side every day for 3 years and running. It just won't quit.
I also use their cheap Finn Bears as fishing knives.
They're great and easy to clean.

On the other hand, I would never buy one of their $300 or $400 knives. And I can't comment on their quality.

Rugby8
September 20, 2010, 02:39 PM
To answer your question about hype, and the video, I would respond that it works for that guy and in the demos they do at the shows, but most advertising is geared toward making a sale rather than skinning a buck. I have purchased, and carried, and used a fairly large number of knife types so my preferences are individually characterized by this. The only CS knife I have is a Master Hunter that I purchased used for $20 off of Ebay over 10 years ago. It stays strapped on my hunting gear. Takes to the stone well and has handled skinning well. Now, If I can find someone that makes a kydex sheath for it.

JTW Jr.
September 20, 2010, 09:02 PM
When I think of CS , I think of :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQE4f0fkLNg&feature=related

he even got the T-shirt ! ;)

of course , he aint met the DEUCE :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIV-aL9YA4o&feature=fvw

TimboKhan
September 21, 2010, 02:02 AM
FWIW, when I was a machinegunner in the USMC back in the early 90's, the Cold Steel combat Tanto was the knife that everyone wanted, but few actually spent the money on. I know I wanted one, but considering that a kabar was around 30 bucks and the tanto was about 2 or 3 times that, most of us went with the Kabar.

If I could do it over again, I would go with neither, personally. I found a Gerber dagger at some point along the line late in my USMC career that was about the perfect fighting knife: Small, easy to mount (remember, this was before molle and attachment points everywhere) in a variety of places, light and unobtrusive. For daily use, I found this new company "Spyderco" that at the time I had never heard of and became a lifelong fan as a result of that relationship. God bless the Kabar (and, by association, the Tanto) because it is a good knife, but in my experience they were too heavy and cumbersome relative to their usefulness. I would own a Kabar because Marines own Kabars, and that would be about the only reason I would own one. The tanto falls under the exact same description.

zignal_zero
September 21, 2010, 07:29 PM
OMG! just got to see another str8 up WINNER, first hand, made (er.. uh.. sold) by Cold Steel - the G.I. Tanto. i had recommended it to a friend, w/o knowing much about it, just because it was in his price range and made for throwing (i know he likes to throw his carry knife).

it is an amazing knife, for the price. i carry more expensive knives than that, yet i'm kinda wanting HIS instead. it's a little tank and it feels great in the hand. it's feels really durable, like it wants to pry stuff, yet nimble and not clunky at all. it was 30bux shipping included. man that's hard to beat.

it comes with a crappy sheath, but (for me) that's a plus lol.

i've had bad luck with CS's customer service, but fantastic luck with their products. i won't hesitate to buy more of them :)

BHP FAN
September 21, 2010, 11:51 PM
some of the other sites are full of ''knife snobs''.you got some good, usable information here.

JTW Jr.
September 22, 2010, 09:06 AM
What you call knife snobs , others call " knowledgeable buyers & educated collectors " :)

Madcap_Magician
September 22, 2010, 12:32 PM
Cold Steel knives are overpriced and overhyped. Most of them are halfway decent, and they do a lot of things nobody else will (A boar spear!?!?), but a lot of their features or designs are also blatant ripoffs. The materials are decently put together, but not of especially high quality.

And doing anything Lynn Thompson does in his videos voids the warranty, which to my way of thinking makes the videos worthless.

CDR_Glock
September 24, 2010, 06:40 AM
Cold Steel knives are overpriced and overhyped. Most of them are halfway decent, and they do a lot of things nobody else will (A boar spear!?!?), but a lot of their features or designs are also blatant ripoffs. The materials are decently put together, but not of especially high quality.

And doing anything Lynn Thompson does in his videos voids the warranty, which to my way of thinking makes the videos worthless.

You have some good points:

They don't warranty abuse despite their videos.

The MSRP is high but they don't sell for that. I find them cheap on the secondary market.

Their videos are like Extreme Shock's videos, which is a lot of hype, I agree.

Given the price on the secondary market is 1/4 retail and 1/2 of e-tail and the construction is actually excellent on the Master and magnum tanto's, I have been happy with my purchase.

CDR_Glock
September 24, 2010, 06:43 AM
http://tapa.tk/mu/a689091a-805b-13a4.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a689091a-809c-eddd.jpg

I grabbed a Magnum IX and Master Tanto.

Madcap_Magician
September 24, 2010, 10:52 AM
For the price or a little more, you could get ESEE, Bark River, Blackjack, Fallkniven, or a used Strider with a much better warranty and better materials, IMHO.

I do want to reiterate that Cold Steel has its good points, i.e. wide product innovation and cheapness on the secondary or e-market, but for me personally that's outweighed by their spotty quality (Cold Steel doesn't actually make any of their stuff, they're just the marketers, so quality has gone up and down as the manufacturers have switched) and ridiculous marketing.

meef
September 25, 2010, 07:52 PM
CDR_Glock.....

Where did you get the sheath for that Master Tanto?

I have a very early Tanto that has the leather sheath... that a freakin' mouse, of all things, customized for me.

I really like the look of your kydex one.

CDR_Glock
September 25, 2010, 08:39 PM
CDR_Glock.....

Where did you get the sheath for that Master Tanto?

I have a very early Tanto that has the leather sheath... that a freakin' mouse, of all things, customized for me.

I really like the look of your kydex one.

I bought it on the secondary market. It came with the knife. I will tell you that Cold Steel sells Kydex sheaths for their different blades. If you call them directly, they will price one for you.

I bought the Magnum with a well worn sheath but it actually gives it character.

CDR_Glock
September 25, 2010, 08:44 PM
@Madcap Magician

Does the quality issue apply to all of their knives?

Their swords and premium tanto's that i have tried are excellent. However, both of my Tanto's are made in Japan. I love that double edged Katana but I use the dull side to guide the sword back into its scabbard. My Katanas are low end swords bought on the secondary market for a fraction of MSRP, also : Cold Steel Practical Plus and Dynasty Forge Musha Musashi Katanas.http://tapa.tk/mu/62e757ea-9741-8a9b.jpghttp://tapa.tk/mu/62e757ea-9752-754b.jpg

Hot brass
October 2, 2010, 06:40 PM
Glocka, nothing is for free. I have a few CS knives. They were bought not expecting miracles. Some are very fine knives and others are so so. Read up on the knives that interest you, then make a wise choice.

trigun87
October 5, 2010, 01:18 AM
I kinda would like to piggy back on the op's question. How are there "melee" weapons like the "brooklyn crusher" and Hatchets?

Erik M
October 7, 2010, 08:01 PM
anyone know if the 'spike' series are any count? I wasn't plaiing on doing heavy duty butchering on a side of beef like the hype video showed but I would like to have one as a woods/fourwheeling knife.

CDR_Glock
October 8, 2010, 04:35 AM
I kinda would like to piggy back on the op's question. How are there "melee" weapons like the "brooklyn crusher" and Hatchets?

Look up these on YOutube. There are a few folks who review items and even do demos of what the items are capable of doing.

CDR_Glock
October 10, 2010, 06:08 PM
The knife:

http://184.72.239.143/mu/62e757ea-3982-4dda.jpg

The Snap Cut:

http://184.72.239.143/mu/62e757ea-3999-d38a.jpg

Snap cut 2:

http://184.72.239.143/mu/62e757ea-39af-8742.jpg

The Love tap:

http://184.72.239.143/mu/62e757ea-39c8-f2a7.jpg

This is the Cold Steel Master Tanto. There are many knives like this one but this is mine!

Is it the real deal? Oh, yeah!

zignal_zero
October 10, 2010, 10:37 PM
CDR GLOCK -

beautiful knife :) the Master Tanto is a classic. i would love to have one of those.

22-rimfire
October 10, 2010, 10:48 PM
The only Cold Steel knife I have wanted was their Trail Master. I bought one of their swords for giggles. Never did anything with the sword.

CDR_Glock
October 11, 2010, 07:16 AM
CDR GLOCK -

beautiful knife :) the Master Tanto is a classic. i would love to have one of those.

Ever since I was a college student I wanted one. The shape, size, weight and design was ideal. There is a curve where the two edges meet.

This bad girl cut through a steak like it was buttah. I thought, "Let me try a couple of snap cuts. Yup! Just like their videos! Damn!". That love tap was barely a touch.

Look at the Cold Steel Forum. There is always one being listed for cheap. That is how I got magnum IX. 9" Tanto. I sent it off for a custom sheath.

NWdude83
October 24, 2010, 05:43 PM
I picked up Cold Steel Pendleton Hunter a week ago, and really like it. The Pendleton Hunter series won Field & Stream's "best of the best" knife category 2010.

JTW Jr.
October 24, 2010, 11:02 PM
I just lost all respect for Field & Stream....

conw
October 24, 2010, 11:44 PM
Honestly in the field I work in professionally I can say I have learned that it is best not to bash products and services of others, but to let your own product or service (as a professional) speak for itself and theirs for them. YMMV. :cool:

Big Bill
October 25, 2010, 02:13 AM
I've sold most of my cold steel stuff. Mainly because it's hard to tell exactly what kind of steel they actually use. For example: instead of VG10, they use VG1? And, instead of AUS 8, they use AUS 8A? I think they are like Gerber and like to keep their actual blade steels a secret. Besides, IMHO, they are also copy cats. Oh, and BTW, I had some of the best knives they make.

EGGMAN240
October 25, 2010, 09:44 PM
I have a kobun. I stuck it in a log one dat, and the tip bent. Piece of crap worth half of the $34.99 I paid for it.

However, I am picking up a Recon I Tanto Folder. My applegate combat is a tad large for everyday carry...

Bluehawk
October 26, 2010, 02:10 AM
I have a kobun. I stuck it in a log one dat, and the tip bent. Piece of crap worth half of the $34.99 I paid for it.

The Kobun is a fighting knife...not a wood chopper!

auschip
October 26, 2010, 10:29 AM
I have a kobun. I stuck it in a log one dat, and the tip bent. Piece of crap worth half of the $34.99 I paid for it.


From the CS Website:
"Like our Tantos, it features the Tanto styled reinforced point. This contrasts sharply with most boot knives on the market today which are notorious for their paper thin points which are easily broken or bent. In contrast, the Kobun'sŪ point is highly resistant to bending or breaking because it is reinforced by the full thickness of the blade's spine which runs almost to the very tip of the blade. "

Sounds like maybe his didn't live up to the hype.

nevermas
October 27, 2010, 01:01 AM
For those who are huffing the cold steel kool aid, I've got a DVD of tests conducted by the people at cold steel from shot show a few years back about their knives and such. Useless to me because I don't care for cold steel but anybody who wants the DVD, just pm me and I'll send it to you for free.

Big Bill
October 27, 2010, 01:21 AM
All you have to fo to get a new CS video is get on their website and order one. IIRC they are free.

Here's the link:

http://form.coldsteel.com/Catalog_Request.aspx?wf=http://www.coldsteel.com/

nevermas
October 27, 2010, 03:48 AM
Ah anyone can just get it then? Ok nevermind, in the trash it goes

EGGMAN240
October 27, 2010, 08:58 PM
"The Kobun is a fighting knife...not a wood chopper!"

Understood, but still... I thought their knives could go through car doors and such... :)

Again, it was 34.99. No biggie...

I would buy one of their master tantos or taipan though... In fact, I may ask for the tai pan for xmas.

Big Bill
October 28, 2010, 12:03 AM
Understood, but still... I thought their knives could go through car doors and such... That's the Recon Tanto... :rolleyes:

http://www.coldsteel.com/recontanto.html

Watch the video... :)

Danneskjold
October 29, 2010, 06:43 PM
The Ti-Lite stiletto is a very good one; I can deploy it faster and easier than any auto knife I have handled, and it's durable too. Take it apart and clean it once a year (make sure to not lose the washers) and hit the contact points with some light gun oil, and you have something much quicker and simpler than a switchblade, without the legal headaches.

CDR_Glock
November 2, 2010, 07:35 PM
I have the Cold Steel Arc Angel. It is one of the best flippers around. http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890b11-9ff5-b4e5.jpghttp://tapa.tk/mu/a6890b11-a01d-eb85.jpg

This is a rare wide point arc angel with TiNi coating making the blade gold. It's a sweet knife.

augustino
November 6, 2010, 09:25 PM
In my humble oponion some Cold Steel knives do, some do not.

I have owned more than half a dozen CS knives. I have sold themm all but have held on to two. A Master Hunter made with the OLD carbon steel. And a small but very stout Pendelton Hunter made in Japan with stainless steel but it takes and holds an edge quickly and wonderfully. In fact it's easier to sharpen the stainless to a razor's edge than it is to sharpen the carbon steel blade to a similar edge.

Bottom line is SOME Cold Steel are great!
Some (in my oponion) stink.

turretG
November 7, 2010, 01:39 PM
I never owned a cold steel, I was wondering myself about them. I recently bought a Boker Magnum Special Agent from World knives.com for $19.00 that I think is better than other more expensive ones I have though. Sharp and tough as anything I've seen so far.

RimfireChris
November 8, 2010, 03:08 PM
I own one of their most expensive knive-the Black Sable, as well as their cheapest, the Kudu, and have had several in between. I've never broken one nor had one fail. They're tops in my book.

CDR_Glock
November 8, 2010, 04:36 PM
http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6be4-f7ec.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6bf8-3d06.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6c0b-b189.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6c20-b49c.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6c35-1231.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6c45-04bc.jpg

http://tapa.tk/mu/a6890816-6c5a-7c75.jpg

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I got my Magnum IX back from the sheath maker. I forgot how big this knife is. It's too long to be practical. I have listed it on other boards.

Maybe I got too used to balisongs. But it's twice as long as my longest balisong.

The knife is solid and well made. No complaints aside from the size.

HellBlazer
November 13, 2010, 10:20 AM
I own & have owned numerous Cold Steel knives. All of mine were from their high end lines & made in Japan. They all were excellent knives & unbelievably sharp! I don't know about their cheaper stuff but their San Mai III blades are top notch.

hso
November 13, 2010, 10:47 AM
It's too long to be practical.

CDR_Glock,

I'm confused by that statement. Practical for what??? It's designed to be a weapon with a large blade for penetration. Is it the 9" or 12" version?

I can certainly understand how it might not "fit" your style considering your beautiful bali collection.

CDR_Glock
November 13, 2010, 03:12 PM
CDR_Glock,

I'm confused by that statement. Practical for what??? It's designed to be a weapon with a large blade for penetration. Is it the 9" or 12" version?

I can certainly understand how it might not "fit" your style considering your beautiful bali collection.

It's too long for concealment to be practical. It was a 9" blade making it a 16" knife in length. I sold it to a friend but kept the 6" blade tanto. That size is more practical for Concealing.

hso
November 13, 2010, 03:31 PM
Understood

lt762x39
November 20, 2010, 03:39 PM
Ah cold steels you either love them or hate them. They are a tough knife. If the others think that they are over priced hype then they should look into their factory seconds ;0) the flaws are small and cosmetic usually in the handle. It makes them affordable. My 2 cents

CDR_Glock
November 20, 2010, 05:49 PM
Ah cold steels you either love them or hate them. They are a tough knife. If the others think that they are over priced hype then they should look into their factory seconds ;0) the flaws are small and cosmetic usually in the handle. It makes them affordable. My 2 cents

Aside from seconds, the resale market is great for a buyer. That's how I grabbed mine. They don't hold their value like a Chris Reeve, Busse or others that are at similar price points or even higher.

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