Taking Action to Allow Import of 100,000 M-1 Rifles from Korea


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Mr.Davis
August 31, 2010, 10:41 AM
I'm sure many of you have heard about the large number of M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbine rifles that the South Korean government is attempting to sell to a US importer.

Little detailed information available about this issue, but here's what we know so far:

Korean Times: US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/08/205_71329.html)

Fox News: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/)

It appears that the import ban is politically motivated. According to the Fox News article, the Obama Administration approved the import of the rifles, then quietly reversed their decision in March of this year.

That said, let's get a letter-writing campaign going to gather factual information as to why the import was denied and to demand pressure be applied to allow the rifles to be imported in compliance with current regulations. Here's a letter I sent to my two Senators and my Representative. Please feel free to excerpt or steal the whole letter for your purposes.

Please report back any concrete information you receive from your congresscritter so we can determine the next steps that should be taken.

Contact Info for Representatives (https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml)
Contact Info for Senators (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm)

My letter:
Senator XXXXXX,

In the last few months, the recreational shooting community became aware that the Obama Administration has reversed its previous decision to allow the South Korean government to sell US-manufactured World War II era rifles to an importer in the United States. This importer would then presumably offer these rifles for sale to law-abiding collectors and shooters in the USA in compliance with all existing regulations governing firearms.

A FOX News report indicates that the Obama administration has blocked their import for reasons that are unreasonable and misleading. You can see the article here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/)

It’s important to know that there is plenty of legitimate precedent for selling historical M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine rifles to law-abiding citizens who can legally purchase firearms. The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP, http://www.odcmp.com/), a federally-chartered corporation that serves youth through gun safety and marksmanship activities, partially finances their operations by selling such rifles to citizens from US government stocks.

These relics were paid for by our tax dollars, and were carried by our fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, cousins and friends, the cornerstones of “the greatest generation”. These firearms served admirably in the defense of our country and our allies, and I'm asking for your help in facilitating their return to the United States so current and future generations can enjoy and honor their history.

I request that you speak to the Obama administration to demand that they allow these firearms to be imported and sold to American citizens in compliance with current regulations. Identical firearms are legally sold to civilians every day through the CMP without incident, serving a vital and honorable role in teaching gun safety and marksmanship. The Obama Administration's objections are clearly motivated by political ideology rather than reasoned analysis.

We in the millions-strong shooting community appreciate your staunch support of Second Amendment rights, and hope to hear a statement from you soon in regards to this important issue.

Sincerely,

XXXXXX


EDIT: Adjusted letter to include better information which has come to light since the first draft.

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TriTone
August 31, 2010, 11:22 AM
Sounds good to me, Thanks for the letter! I'll be using it!

jeepguy
August 31, 2010, 06:21 PM
why cant the cmp get involved? can the gov't stop them as they were created by the gov't? at least i think they were.

Mr.Davis
August 31, 2010, 09:36 PM
The CMP is apparently not involved at all with the import of these rifles. It appears that a private firm is attempting to import them. If they're indeed lend-lease rifles, then under the terms of the agreement they'd have to be returned to the US for free, meaning they could ultimately be sold through the CMP.

The main thrust of my letter is to find out what the heck is going on, since there's virtually no information about this issue available.

FenderTK421
September 1, 2010, 01:05 AM
Been scouring the net for more info on this. Thanks for the letter, I will be using it.

Rail Driver
September 1, 2010, 01:28 AM
I've sent my copies of the letter to my congressman and senators. Thanks guys.

TriTone
September 1, 2010, 01:48 AM
Sent as well.

I would like to encourage any and all replies from elected officials to be posted to help keep each other in the loop.

Carl N. Brown
September 1, 2010, 02:23 AM
Was a lot of discussion at Volokh Conspiracy over this. Post opened by Dave Kopel.

Korean Times quoted Anony Moose U.S. official saying sale was blocked over safety concerns about the guns and fears that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

Actually may be concerns whether the guns were Korean War Era (early 1950s) loans to the Koreans (which means they should be returned to the US govt (if true hopefully to CMP)) or were purchased by the Koreans and could be sold to a US importer like Century. If that was the real reason, then why the story about "dangerous guns" or "wrong hands" excuse?

IIRC the first wave of Korean re-imports of M1s in late 1980s were guns that the Korean govt had paperwork they had bought (M1s imported by outfits like Blue Sky of Arlington VA). Story goes the guns surplussed in the late 1980s were less desirable examples and the guns retained by the Koreans were better quality for military reserve purposes.

Also questions were raised that the guns were being kept out by US to protect domestic manufacturers or the value of gun collectors' M1 collections, but that sounded like speculation. Or the excuses used since the 1960s to keep out military surplus (nothing unique to the Obama Administration).

Carl N. Brown
September 1, 2010, 02:27 AM
Oh, the draft letter is a good summary of all issues, and avoids soapboxing.

Above all, folks, be aware of the speculation about various reasons, but as the draft letter states, the reasons for the bar on re-import are not clear.

paramedic70002
September 1, 2010, 10:08 AM
Emails sent!

Domineaux
September 1, 2010, 11:02 AM
Mails sent as well. Will post any reply received.

rscalzo
September 1, 2010, 12:33 PM
A portion of these rifles had been released in 2006. Most were so low that few really wanted them. Don't expect Servive Grade. The CMP will not be involved nor do they want them. Tells you something.

This rumor has been going around for some time. So far the only source has been a Korean news media outlet. Sounds like they are trying to build interest in their sale.

VegasAR15
September 1, 2010, 04:06 PM
Nice letter, I sent it to Harry Reid, John Ensign and Dina Titus.

peyton
September 1, 2010, 04:16 PM
Thanks for the letter! I sent to the texas bunch. I own both M-1 Garand and M-1 Carbine and would hate to see these rifles melted down!!

P.shooter
September 1, 2010, 05:05 PM
Emailed my Congressman and Senator. I'd love to get my hands on a M1 Carbine one of these days.

hso
September 1, 2010, 06:15 PM
Include the specs for the Garand in your letters and links from the CMP. A 43 inch rifle weighing 10 lbs and limited to a capacity of only 8 rounds and acceptable even in California is hardly a gang-bangers weapon.

phoglund
September 1, 2010, 06:22 PM
I wrote my own email. A bit more succinct but still polite and non-accusatory. It's important to get some awareness of this sort of subject. Good job pointing this out and getting some actions started!

Thanks to the OP!

Paul

wideym
September 1, 2010, 06:51 PM
If the guns were going to the CMP, then I would actually be concerned, but since it's some S.Korean buisness (which is rife with kickbacks and nepotism) I could care less.

Any private importer/distributer is going to jack up the prices far beyond what they are actually worth, whereas the CMP deals honestly and at resonable prices, plus I hate to see a country which has benefited from America's protection and commerce for sixty years make money selling us our own rifles back to us.

Mr.Davis
September 1, 2010, 08:20 PM
Any private importer/distributer is going to jack up the prices far beyond what they are actually worth, whereas the CMP deals honestly and at resonable prices, plus I hate to see a country which has benefited from America's protection and commerce for sixty years make money selling us our own rifles back to us.
It's quite unclear whether they belong to us or Korea, so I request that we withhold hearsay and speculation from this thread. Unless of course you have information to this effect, in which case it would be highly appreciated if you'd share it.

I'd also like to point out that it will be virtually impossible to maintain super-high pricing on these weapons, since it seems the Koreans seem intent on selling over 100,000 of them, which will probably overwhelm the market demand. Even if one importer only buys ten or twenty thousand, they'll just sell the rest to another importer until they're all gone.

If we're lucky, they're US Government property and can be returned and sold through the CMP. Ultimately, though, who cares how they get back here - law abiding Americans should have the opportunity to buy them.

jeepguy
September 1, 2010, 08:24 PM
wideym i agree with you mostly but those rifles are ours(us) they are part of our history and i would rather they be imported and the prices jacked up then destroyed.

Animal Mother
September 1, 2010, 08:30 PM
I wrote my Congress members, so I've done my part. We need to keep the pressure on, this administration has caved to determined gun owners every time, with the exception of the Supreme Court. Let's not let them develop a backbone!

fireman 9731
September 1, 2010, 08:31 PM
Here is a little more info:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

The South Korean government, in an effort to raise money for its military, wants to sell nearly a million antique M1 rifles that were used by U.S. soldiers in the Korean War to gun collectors in America.

The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands.

"The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes," the spokesman told FoxNews.com.

READ THE REST AT THE FOX URL TO COMPLY WITH FAIR USE COPYRIGHT CONCERNS

The White House referred questions on the issue to the Pentagon, which referred questions to the U.S. Embassy in South Korea, which deferred back to the State Department.

Makes me want to :barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:

I'll be contacting my elected officials for sure on this one!

Mr.Davis
September 1, 2010, 08:34 PM
Thanks for the Fox article. 770,000 M1 Carbines? Holy....

Carl N. Brown
September 1, 2010, 09:23 PM
Some have dismissed this as just David Kopel quoting somebody at Korean Times saying this. I said three independent sources not quoting each other would be preferable. Now Fox News and Handgun Control Inc (Brady Campaign) have chimed in with seperate sources (ie, they aint quoting Korean Times). Its probably a real story.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/

The sale was approved last year then reversed this March. Reason given to Fox News by State Dept: "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes."

Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign weighed in with: "Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety..... Why let them into the country in the first place? If there is a legally sufficient way to keep them out, we think it's perfectly reasonable to do so.... They clearly were used as military guns, and the fact that they likely can take high-capacity magazines makes them a special safety concern."

When Fox News asked why the M1s were a special danger, State Dept passed the questioner to ATF. ATF diddled for two days and referred the questioner to the Justice Dept and Justice spokesman Dean Boyd sent the questioner back to the State Dept.

MikeNice
September 1, 2010, 10:13 PM
Here is what I wrote this evening.



Congressman XXXX,

It has recently come to my attention that the Obama administration has reversed course on the decision to allow South Korea to sell antique US Army rifles back to American collectors. I must say that this decision disheartens me for several reasons.

The first reason this decision bugs me is the stated reason for the change. A state department employee stated, "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes." These types of transfers have taken place in the past. Everything from German Mausers and P38s, to Chilean rifles locked in remote castles, have been shipped to this country in large numbers. As we have seen over the years very few of these military surplus items have been used illegally.

These are weapons that are of special interest to gun collectors and sporting enthusiasts. They represent a part of our national history that many American’s find interesting. More importantly, they represent a piece of our history that many Americans lived through. These are the guns that many, still living, veterans carried in to war in defense of this country. They are the weapons that our brothers, sons, fathers, and grandfathers carried in to war. Some never came back. These weapons are a chance for a small piece of their legacy to be returned to their families. It is a chance to return their legacy to their fellow countrymen.

None of those things seem to matter to the current administration. They are now poised to allow this part of our history be destroyed. The same state department employee that said these weapons pose a threat to American citizens has said , "We are working closely with our Korean allies and the U.S. Army in exploring alternative options to dispose of these firearms." They want to “dispose” of weapons that our soldiers carried through foreign lands in defense of family, friends, and allies. They want to erase the legacy of those that served proudly and those that gave the ultimate sacrifice. I find that shameful in ways I can not describe.

There is another reason this angers me. Those weapons were paid for with American tax dollars. The citizens of this country paid for those weapons. Now they are being denied the right to have that property returned to America. They are being denied the right to own what they paid for and what they may legally possess. To me that reeks of injustice. We have already paid for these weapons and they are legal to own. However, a government official now tells us we can not own them. More over we can not own them because of some possible scenario where the weapons may be used for “illicit purposes.” That means all citizens are being denied their legal rights because a bureaucrat has dreamed up a possible scenario. A scenario that so far has never been an issue and we have no evidence to suggest may become an issue. That sets a dangerous precedent for the same maneuvers to be used in other areas.

I would appreciate your support in demanding that the Obama administration reverse course on this decision. Their decision on this matter is wrong for many reason. No administration should be allowed to deny the American people their history, the very legacy of their forbearers, or their legal and creator endowed rights. To allow this move now only paves the way for more of the same in the future. At its very root such a maneuver means the very soldiers that died carrying these guns died in vein.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXX

hso
September 1, 2010, 10:19 PM
Folks try to trim it down to 3 short paragraphs. Remember we're trying to "talk" to politicians and bureaucrats. ;)

Tell 'em what you're gonna tell'em. Tell'em. Tell'em what you told'em.

Ask them to respond to your question of why firearms the "greatest generation" won WWII with and the CMP has used for 40 50 years to teach Americans the sport of marksmanship and the fun of collecting AND that comply with the most stringent anti-firearms regulations in the country can not be imported into the United States for qualified citizens capable of passing a background check to own and shoot in competitions already using these firearms.

rscalzo
September 1, 2010, 10:41 PM
Now Fox News and Handgun Control Inc (Brady Campaign) have chimed in with seperate sources

Who? No one has commented. As Korean property, they can sell to the highest bidder in any country. The CMP has stated some time back they do not want them.

seldomseensmith
September 1, 2010, 11:51 PM
Good letter Mike!

TriTone
September 2, 2010, 10:46 AM
Good guidelines hso

HexHead
September 2, 2010, 11:10 AM
Hope you don't mind I used your letter. Sent to my Senators and Congressman.

hso
September 2, 2010, 11:20 AM
Here's an alternative wording to MikeNice's well written letter to make it a rogue State Department issue.

Congressman XXXX,

It has come to the attention of the American public that the State Department has decided to bloc South Korea's sale of antique US Army rifles back to American collectors. I must say that this decision disheartens me for several reasons.

The first reason this decision shocks me is the stated reason for the change. A state department employee stated, "The transfer of such a large number of weapons -- 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines -- could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes." This is absurd. The M1 Garand is a 10 lb, 43 inch long rifle with a unique enbloc clip that only holds 8 rounds of common hunting ammunition. The rifle does not have an external removable magazine of any capacity nor does it have a pistol grip. It is a hefty rifle of wood and steel and is wholly unsuited to use for “illicit purposes”. The M1 Carbine is a wood and steel rifle that is 36 inches long and does not have a pistol grip or folding stock. It was issued with a 15 round magazine, but it too is not suited for “illicit purposes”. Even the state of California doesn't deny their citizens access to these rifles. These types of transfers have taken place in the past where M1 Garands and M1 Carbines have been shipped to this country in large numbers. As we have seen over the years no blood baths have occurred when the rifles have been returned to the US and made available to the citizens who paid for them. The Civilian Marksmanship Program makes M1 Garands and M1 Carbines available to collectors and shooters alike. The CMP has been doing this for over 40 years and is an organization created by Congress to do so. Since "The Greatest Generation" first carried these rifles and CMP began interest in collecting and competing with these rifles has grown over the years. CMP's source of these rifles in recent years have been those returned from countries that the US had originally supplied after WWII. Just like these rifles in Korea.

The second reason this position makes no sense is that these are rifles that are of special interest to gun collectors and sporting enthusiasts. They represent a part of our national history that many American’s find interesting. More importantly, they represent a piece of our history that many Americans lived through. These are the rifles that many, still living, veterans carried into war in defense of this country. They are the rifles that our brothers, sons, fathers, and grandfathers carried. Some never came back. These rifles are a chance for a small piece of their legacy to be returned to their families. It is a chance to return their legacy to their fellow countrymen.

None of those things seem to matter to the State Department. They are now poised to allow this part of our history be destroyed. The same state Department employee that said these rifles pose a threat to American citizens has said , "We are working closely with our Korean allies and the U.S. Army in exploring alternative options to dispose of these firearms." They want to “dispose” of rifles that our soldiers carried through foreign lands in defense of family, friends, and allies. They want to erase the legacy of those that served proudly and those that gave the ultimate sacrifice. I find that shameful in ways I cannot describe.

There is another reason this angers me. Those weapons were paid for with American tax dollars. Citizens of this country paid for those rifles. Now they are being denied the right to have that property returned to America. They are being denied the right to own what we paid for and what they may legally possess. However, a government official now tells us we cannot have the opportunity to make them available to collectors and competitors in a government sponsored program such as the CMP. More over we cannot own them because of some improbable scenario where the rifle may be used for “illicit purposes.” That means all citizens are being denied their legal rights because of some bureaucrat who has no understanding of the nature of these rifles and imagines them to be suitable only for criminal use.

I eagerly await your support in demanding that the State Department reverse course on this decision and facilitate sale of these antique rifles to the American public.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXX

Domineaux
September 2, 2010, 11:32 AM
Awesome version HSO, I would copy yours but think sending a 2nd letter in 2 days for the same purpose might annoy more than help.

alsaqr
September 2, 2010, 12:47 PM
The re-importation of US made semi-auto milsurp weapons was outlawed in 1994 when Bill Clinton invoked the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968.

In 1989 the importation of foreign made semi-auto milsurp weapons were banned by Bush I under the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968.

EmbarkChief
September 2, 2010, 02:33 PM
E-mail's sent.

Mr.Davis
September 2, 2010, 02:41 PM
The re-importation of US made semi-auto milsurp weapons was outlawed in 1994 when Bill Clinton invoked the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968.

In 1989 the importation of foreign made semi-auto milsurp weapons were banned by Bush I under the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968.

If that's the case then the administration should have cited the law that applies instead of making up a silly objection based on safety and criminals.

hso
September 2, 2010, 07:19 PM
They may fall into a different category than modern military firearmsThe Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates. A State Department spokesman said the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could fall into the wrong hands… Asked why the M1s pose a threat, the State Department spokesman referred questions to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF representatives said they would look into the question Monday afternoon, but on Wednesday they referred questions to the Justice Department. DOJ spokesman Dean Boyd referred questions back to the State Department. According to the ATF Guidebook on Firearms Importation, it would normally be legal to import the M1s because they are more than 50 years old, meaning they qualify as "curios or relics." But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale… The Clinton administration blocked sales of M1s and other antiquated military weapons from the Philippines, Turkey and Pakistan. It also ended the practice of reselling used guns owned by federal agencies, ordering that they be melted down instead. In contrast, 200,000 M1 rifles from South Korea were allowed to be sold in the U.S. under the Reagan administration in 1987…

MikeNice
September 2, 2010, 09:27 PM
Hso, my version is a bit long winded. That is kind of my trade mark though. I thank you are right in saying keep it simple.

I like your rewrite of my version and have no issue with people using either version to e-mail their elected officials.

hso
September 3, 2010, 08:52 AM
Thanks, Mike.

Heck, mine's long by my standards for politicians. Small words, simple declarative sentences, short paragraphs usually work the best for those folks.;)

I think we need to add the curio and relic angle as well. "Vintage" "Antique" "Relic of our fathers' sacrifice"

VegasAR15
September 3, 2010, 10:35 AM
So far I have sent one version to two senators and a congressman, my wife sent another version to the same people, and I think my mom or dad is about to send hso's version to the same three. I learned from the best in the field, ACORN, but at least the names I am using are family members that are still alive.

Just imagine if all the active members of THR sent letters, might just make a difference.

hirundo82
September 3, 2010, 02:11 PM
As far as I'm aware, the State Department can't legally block importation of C&R-eligible guns.

I've sent emails to both Texas Senators; my congressman is strongly anti-gun and is running virtually unopposed for reelection so he won't care.

hso
September 3, 2010, 04:17 PM
Folks,

Lets stay focused on ways to get our elected officials to force a change in the block by the state department and NOT get off topic onto politics.

Anybody have any "short and sweet" letter suggestions?

Any collector organizations like GCA or CMP that haven't heard about this yet? Any members of VFW, American Legion, AMVETS, etc. that can get their organizations hammering their congresscritters on this???

Aren't we all
September 4, 2010, 12:07 AM
I sent emails of my own design with a more emotional bias to Senator Schumer D-NY and Gillibrant D-NY. :barf:

Their interns are probably going to laugh at my emails...
I hate NY! :banghead::banghead:

wlewisiii
September 4, 2010, 11:15 AM
Hso, I used your language to email both Wisconsin sentators & my congresswoman. Not sure that will do much for two of them, but Senator Fiengold tends to be willing to listen on 2nd Amendment issues.

Mr.Davis
September 7, 2010, 01:48 PM
From Korean website The Chosun Ilbo:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/09/03/2010090300985.html

Washington Vetoes Korea's Re-Sale of Old Rifles to U.S.

The U.S. administration has vetoed the Korean government's plan to sell some 100,000 old M1 rifles used during the Korean War back to the United States. It also banned 850,000 M1 rifles already imported from Korea and other countries from being sold to civilians.

A Korean government official said, "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s.

See link for full text.

alsaqr
September 8, 2010, 06:40 AM
A Korean government official said, "It's difficult to understand why the U.S. opposes the deal now, when we already shipped tens of thousands of these firearms to the U.S. in the early 1990s.

There is nothing difficult about it: It is US law. In 1994 the re-import of those guns into the US was stopped in its tracks when president Bill Clinton invoked the "sporting purposes" clause of the GCA of 1968. This was not the first time that a US president stopped the import of milsurp firearms. In 1989 president Bush I stopped the importation of foreign made semi-auto milsurp guns by an administrative order.

The vast majority of M1 rifles and M1 carbines that came into the US in the early 90s were over priced junk.

Col. Plink
September 8, 2010, 04:28 PM
"Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

What a self-serving benighted tool!!!

Dazen
September 10, 2010, 04:23 PM
Here is the one reply out of the 3 e-mails I sent out. I used HSO's letter.He doesn't mention anything about these M1's.Oh well, It was nice to get a reply for once.

Thank you for contacting me in regards to my position on the Second Amendment. I appreciate the opportunity to share my views on this fundamental question with you.

As a gun owner and lifetime member of the NRA, I support the Second Amendment and every individual's right to keep and bear arms. When Charlton Heston defiantly announced that they could have his rifle when it was pried "from his cold, dead hands," he was not being dramatic, he understood that the right to own a firearm is the one right that protects all the others and defends our liberty. It is the only amendment that guarantees a citizen will always have recourse against an unjust authority.

During my time representing you in Washington, I have supported legislation that would have protected our Constitutional right to defend our homes and families, extended Second Amendment rights to the residents of the District of Columbia, and prevented an organized campaign to bankrupt gun manufacturers with frivolous lawsuits.

As the 111th Congress continues, there are many who are concerned that the unfettered power the majority party has will lead to an erosion of our rights to keep and bear arms. Already, Representative Bobby Rush (D-IL) has introduced H.R. 45, the Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009. This bill would create a new federal firearms licensing program and a host of new federal gun crimes. I will oppose this measure, and all such measures that make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms.

Again, thank you for taking the time to share your views. Your opinions are important, so please continue to write, call, or email me with any concerns you may have in the future. For more information on my work in Congress visit the 11th District's Web site, http://conaway.house.gov or my blog at www.conawayblog.com.

Sincerely,

?
K. Michael Conaway
Member of Congress
KMC/KP


Sincerely,

K. Michael Conaway
Member of Congress

IdahoSkies
September 15, 2010, 05:19 PM
That is a form letter response out of the "Firearms letter response" file from your representative. A few more letters from other people to your representative might get the staffer to to pass something up the chain.

W.E.G.
September 15, 2010, 05:42 PM
email sent to Senators and Representative

Rail Driver
September 15, 2010, 05:43 PM
I got one too.

Thank you for contacting my office with your views on the Second Amendment. I find constituent input to be vital in the legislative process, and it is always good to hear from the people of North Florida.

As a sportsman and avid hunter, I share your sentiments that an individual's right to own a firearm should not be infringed upon. I am troubled by legislation that proposes a ban on weapons because of their appearance and not because of some unique characteristic that makes them more deadly or dangerous to use. Throughout my service in Congress I have continuously supported measures that protect Second Amendment rights and I will continue to oppose any bill or amendment that attempts to restrict the fundamental rights of law abiding gun owners.

Thank you again for bringing your views to my attention and adding your voice to the ongoing debate. Please continue to write to me, and I encourage you to sign up for my e-newsletter by visiting my website at www.house.gov/boyd.

Sincerely,

F. Allen Boyd, Jr.
Member of Congress

ServiceSoon
September 27, 2010, 01:44 PM
sent to my state rep.

snubbies
September 27, 2010, 03:53 PM
HSO

Is it the M1 garand or the M1 Carbine they want to sell back to us??

Domineaux
September 27, 2010, 03:54 PM
The article mentions both.

snubbies
September 27, 2010, 04:24 PM
Do you have the link to the article??

Domineaux
September 27, 2010, 04:29 PM
I'm sure many of you have heard about the large number of M-1 Garands and M-1 Carbine rifles that the South Korean government is attempting to sell to a US importer.

Little detailed information available about this issue, but here's what we know so far:

Korean Times: US opposes Seoul’s bid to sell old rifles (http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/08/205_71329.html)

Fox News: Obama Administration Reverses Course, Forbids Sale of 850,000 Antique Rifles (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/01/obama-administration-reverses-course-forbids-sale-antique-m-rifles/)

It appears that the import ban is politically motivated. According to the Fox News article, the Obama Administration approved the import of the rifles, then quietly reversed their decision in March of this year.

That said, let's get a letter-writing campaign going to gather factual information as to why the import was denied and to demand pressure be applied to allow the rifles to be imported in compliance with current regulations. Here's a letter I sent to my two Senators and my Representative. Please feel free to excerpt or steal the whole letter for your purposes.

Please report back any concrete information you receive from your congresscritter so we can determine the next steps that should be taken.

Contact Info for Representatives (https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml)
Contact Info for Senators (http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm)

My letter:


EDIT: Adjusted letter to include better information which has come to light since the first draft.
It's all in the original post quoted:

snubbies
September 27, 2010, 04:36 PM
Wonder if my old one is in the stack??

Domineaux
September 30, 2010, 12:54 PM
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_7712aa98-cc44-11df-b395-001cc4c03286.html
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CHEYENNE — U.S. Rep. Cynthia Lummis is seeking to stop the federal government from interfering with the legal importation of surplus collectable U.S.-made firearms from South Korea. The Wyoming Republican has joined with Indiana Democratic Rep. Joe Donnelly in introducing a bill called the Collectable Firearms Protection Act.
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Mr.Davis
October 3, 2010, 08:36 PM
Domineaux, great info. Let's get behind this new bill by re-writing our letters specifically asking our congresspeople to support the Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Domineaux
October 4, 2010, 07:30 AM
I received the following back from John Culberson:


Thank you for contacting me regarding the Obama Administration's refusal to purchase nearly 850,000 antique rifles from the South Korean government. I have contacted officials at the Department of State on your behalf and asked them to carefully consider the serious issues raised in your letter. When I receive more information, I will contact you again.

Thank you for entrusting me to represent you in the United States Congress. Please visit my website at www.culberson.house.gov

rscalzo
October 4, 2010, 08:59 AM
Obama Administration's refusal to purchase nearly 850,000 antique rifles from the South Korean government

That wasn't the issue. A private importer wanted to purchase these firearms for resale, presumably in this country.

VegasAR15
October 4, 2010, 10:52 AM
In no way is this an endorsement for the guy, but this is the response I got from Harry Reid.

I took note of your concern regarding the transfer of approximately eight hundred thousand MI Carbine and Garand rifles from the South Korean government. I, too, am concerned with the circumstances surrounding the importation of these antique rifles. As a result, I have contacted the State Department and asked that they review your letter and respond to both of us in writing.

I also got a response back from Dina Titus, but it was just a form letter that basically said, I fully support your rights to own guns, except when I am trying to take them away from you.

I will make sure to post a response if I actually receive one from the state department.

Domineaux
October 4, 2010, 01:50 PM
"Senator’s legislation would allow American-made firearms abroad to be re-sold to U.S. collectors"
http://tester.senate.gov/Newsroom/pr_093010_guns.cfm

Includes link to a PDF of the letter sent to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton containing:

“Rejecting the responsible sale of legal firearms over hypothetical concerns that they could be used for ‘illicit purposes’ sets a dangerous precedent and it is contrary to the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans.”

phoglund
October 4, 2010, 01:54 PM
Nice! This is one of the Montana Senators I sent an email to about this issue...not claiming I had any effect as this guy is pro 2A but it still makes a body feel good!

Paul

cavman
October 6, 2010, 05:23 PM
Another letter written by Senators to Sec of State Hillary Clinton asking to reverse their decision to prohibit the M1 and M1 carbines from being sold to Americans.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/murkowski-signs-letter-questioning-state-department-gun-ban-104438483.html

last paragraph:
To this end, we request an explanation of your reasons for blocking the importation and sale of American-made rifles from South Korea, and we strongly urge you to reverse your decision in the interest of protecting Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Furthermore, we encourage you to consider utilizing the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) as a means for the sale of these rifles.

General Tso
October 6, 2010, 08:06 PM
I wrote my Senator and this was his response:

Thank you for getting in touch with me regarding the potential sale of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines rifles from the South Korean government to American citizens.

The South Korean government is looking to raise money for its military by selling nearly a million M1 rifles used by U.S. soldiers during the Korean War. The State Department stopped the sale of these rifles due to concerns about the scale of the sale and the potential it could be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes.

I do not support an outright ban on guns nor restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens to possess guns. However, the biggest threat to Second Amendment and privacy rights is gun-related crime. In the absence of stronger safeguards that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and distinguish between lawful and unlawful use of firearms, concerns regarding personal safety could fuel greater support for an outright ban on gun ownership.

I will continue to monitor this situation. Should any relevant legislation come before the Senate, please be assured that I will keep your views in mind.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts.

Sincerely,

Sherrod Brown
United States Senator

ServiceSoon
October 6, 2010, 08:07 PM
joined with Indiana Democratic Rep. Joe DonnellyIt worked! I asked my state rep and he responded positively. Kudos to you Domineaux. I've been at THR a long time and you've already topped my best post. Please take note THR'ers, a Democrat!

Basically saysI fully support your rights to own guns, except when I am trying to take them away from you.I actually cried I laughed so hard. That doesn't happen but a few times per year.

Domineaux
October 7, 2010, 08:15 AM
I'm just happy to see support for reversing the current Federal stance on the buy-back of these historical relics gaining ground due at least in some part to all of us who participated in being the voice of "The People".

EmbarkChief
October 7, 2010, 09:58 AM
This was in my inbox this morning from my Senator

Dear Mr. Martine:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the sale of surplus military rifles from South Korea. I appreciate having the benefit of your comments on this matter.

As you may know, the South Korean government has a stockpile of nearly one million American-made, World War II-era M1 Garand and M1 Carbine rifles that it is willing to sell to qualified buyers in the United States. Although the Obama Administration initially approved the sale of these rifles in 2009, the State Department has chosen to reverse this decision, claiming the firearms “could potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes.”

This decision amounts to no more than a backdoor gun ban by the State Department, which lacks any basis or justification under current federal law. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, it is legal to import these M1s because they are more than 50 years old. Moreover, any individual wishing to purchase one of these firearms would be subject to the National Instant Check System. The sale of these historic rifles—each a piece of America’s proud history—pose no greater risk than the sale of any other firearm legally sold in the United States.

Therefore, I wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to strongly urge her to reverse the State Department's decision. I have also encouraged her to consider utilizing the Civilian Marksmanship Program as a means for the sale of these rifles. It is essential to safeguard the law-abiding citizens’ constitutional right to purchase these firearms for legitimate purposes such as target shooting, hunting, collecting, and self-protection. Restricting this right runs counter to the intent of our Founding Fathers, who expressly guaranteed that citizens would retain the right to keep and bear arms.

I appreciate the opportunity to represent Texans in the United States Senate, and you may be certain that I will continue working with my colleagues to protect our Second Amendment rights. Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Sincerely,
JOHN CORNYN
United States Senator

Leverb66
October 7, 2010, 10:24 AM
Attached are the responses I received. I like Sen. Dorgen's response. Sen. Conrad's however, didn't really say much.

Domineaux
October 7, 2010, 01:28 PM
Another nice bit about this:

(from http://cornyn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=NewsReleases&ContentRecord_id=1a261ab9-9884-42e1-bb95-b2cfa31c078f)

WASHINGTON — U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) today led a bipartisan group of Senators including Senators Mike Enzi (R-WY), Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK), and others in sending a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, urging her to reverse the State Department’s reported decision to ban the sale of surplus antique rifles from South Korea to qualified buyers in the United States. The letter was also sent to Attorney General Eric Holder and Acting Director Kenneth Melson of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE).

Recent media reports indicate the Obama Administration inked a deal with the South Korean government to bring home nearly one million American-made WWII-era surplus military rifles. However, the State Department stepped in at the last minute and arbitrarily blocked the agreement. The rifles in question are the iconic M1 Garand and M1 Carbine rifles, which are popular among collectors and military historians. The letter to Secretary Clinton stresses that the sale poses no risk to Americans and the department’s decision violates law-abiding citizens’ constitutional right to purchase firearms for legitimate purposes.
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eslocklier
October 7, 2010, 02:13 PM
Yep, even they're getting on board, TN Dem Endorsed by NRA (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/oct/06/davis-endorsed-nra-4th-congressional-race/?breakingnews/) :D Yeah, Tennessee!

daorhgih
October 7, 2010, 02:23 PM
... ANY vehicles from Asia due to the fact that some may be used in the commission of bank robberies and other felonies. The purchase and ownership of such potential devices to be used in an unlawful manner should be restricted under the most severe of license, title, and insurance of such persons, as may be best detected. No, wait ... ... there is no Constitutional right to keep and bear a car, is there? Never mind. But, how much profit should the importer be expected to make on the reimportation of weapons that are presumably still property of the U.S.A. ???

Claymore1500
October 7, 2010, 07:58 PM
I have a feeling that this post may be slammed by the mods. But here goes.

If the Koreans are not allowed to sell to us, they just might choose to sell to mexico, then we will see a surge of firearms taken in raids that have been traced back to America!!!


( Ok, it was just a poor attempt at some humor)

paramedic70002
October 8, 2010, 11:32 AM
Claymore1500 is wise beyond his years.

0VERKILL
November 18, 2010, 07:07 PM
I have a feeling that this post may be slammed by the mods. But here goes.

If the Koreans are not allowed to sell to us, they just might choose to sell to mexico, then we will see a surge of firearms taken in raids that have been traced back to America!!!


( Ok, it was just a poor attempt at some humor)
Humor? Don't you think the feds would use such logic when they need to push for a new ban of some sort?

Claymore1500
November 18, 2010, 07:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Claymore1500
I have a feeling that this post may be slammed by the mods. But here goes.

If the Koreans are not allowed to sell to us, they just might choose to sell to mexico, then we will see a surge of firearms taken in raids that have been traced back to America!!!


( Ok, it was just a poor attempt at some humor)

Humor my ass, don't you think the feds would use such logic when they need to push for a new ban of some sort?

Actually I believe they would try, if they thought it could reflect higher numbers and they could claim that the problem is getting worse.

and welcome to the forum

Spec ops Grunt
November 19, 2010, 12:07 AM
Who knows, chances are if they sold to some country other than America, those guns could end up in the hands of some drug cartel that regularly shoots at Americans.

hso
November 19, 2010, 12:36 AM
Well, this one's gone down the drain.

Pity

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