About Winchester 9mm Whitebox. Is it me or just?


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kelvinchufei
August 31, 2010, 07:21 PM
I have been shooting the Winchester 9mm Whitebox from Walmart for a long time.

But recently I found that the newly produced batches are really dirty. After each trip to the range (about 100rd per trip), I can always see the black dust on my hands and forearms. It wasn't this case in the past (say last year).

So I am wondering if anyone has observed similar situations. Or is it because there might be something wrong with my Taurus PT99?

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The Lone Haranguer
August 31, 2010, 07:36 PM
Manufacturers do change powders or blends thereof from time to time. But, provided the powder is completely combusting and not leaving unburned granules behind, simple carbon or soot buildup doesn't hurt a thing.

Full Metal Jacket
August 31, 2010, 07:54 PM
i haven't bought WWB at chinamart since they started selling federal champion cheaper, and the price jumped on the WWB.

9mmepiphany
August 31, 2010, 08:29 PM
I've always found WWB to be dirtier than CCI Blazer...plus the CCI is less expensive too

The manufacturers do change their powder more than you would think, they just test to insure standard velocity

FatPants
August 31, 2010, 11:50 PM
Its messy stuff. My strong hand/arm will be covered by powder after a range session. I only buy this stuff if I cannot find the Federal Champion.

shibby
September 1, 2010, 03:26 AM
I stopped buying WWB when I noticed how filthy it was and had some hang fires. I also saw on arfcom that a few people had mis-seated bullets. No thanks. Meanwhile federal has been great.

pvthouse
September 1, 2010, 04:39 AM
I've notice the same thing but in .45 acp. No missfires just dirty as can be.

nwilliams
September 1, 2010, 04:55 AM
i haven't bought WWB at chinamart since they started selling federal champion cheaper, and the price jumped on the WWB.
+1 to that!

The Federal 9mm is all I buy at Wally World myself, it's great ammo for the price. The Federal 100 round .223 value packs are a great deal as well.

Azb
September 1, 2010, 07:01 AM
I've also noticed that some WWB in .45 has been out of spec length-wise. I've quit buying it in any caliber. As has been mentioned, Federal is a little bit cheaper and has never caused a problem.

Az

TDR911
September 1, 2010, 07:27 AM
I have shot over 10,000 rounds thru my Glock 17 over a few years. I now reload for mre accuracy.
Still the value of the WW 9mm is hard to beat.

Hangingrock
September 1, 2010, 09:20 AM
Maybe itís just me. I can run through a rain storm with out a single drop of rain touching me; leap tall buildings in a single bound, and be more powerful than a steaming locomotive but Iíve never had a problem with WWB.;) I wish I could experience the difficulties of others.:what: Things just seem to work out for me.:) Most likely there are lot to lot variations in propellant being used or simply a different propellant. WWB is what it is economy grade bulk ammunition nothing more than that.:)

bannockburn
September 1, 2010, 10:15 AM
I haven't noticed that the WWB isn't any more dirtier than it was before. The worse I ever encountered was Remington/UMC yellow box. I think it was made in Mexico by Aquila. That stuff was filthy, but it worked just fine in my guns. Friends of mine say Wolf pistol ammo is the worst; dirty and doesn't smell all that great either. At WallyWorld I've been buying the cheaper Federal ammo.

Dobe
September 1, 2010, 10:21 AM
No problems for me. I was wondering why I can now find more ammo at Wal Mart. Most of you guys are buying something else.

Walkalong
September 1, 2010, 10:29 AM
I recently sent a gun back to S&W for some work. They tested it with 9MM WWB. The barrel, ramp, etc was absolutely filthy when it returned. I guess I am spoiled by my reloads.

On the up side, S&W Customer Service is the best. :)

wow6599
September 1, 2010, 11:05 AM
I haven't noticed that the WWB isn't any more dirtier than it was before. The worse I ever encountered was Remington/UMC yellow box.
+1000

BossHogg
September 1, 2010, 01:22 PM
"I've also noticed that some WWB in .45 has been out of spec length-wise. I've quit buying it in any caliber. As has been mentioned, Federal is a little bit cheaper and has never caused a problem. "

Az

+1 I've noticed the over lenght in 9mm too. Works in some guns and not in others. I'll shoot it up in my Sigma, like Mikie it will eat anything, and then no more white box.

sonofodin
September 1, 2010, 01:32 PM
Recently I bought a Kahr CW 45. It gobbled up a box of WWB with no problem. Wasent excessively dirty and no manufacturing defects. I checked before I shot ;). When I went back to wally word that night for a spare box, Federal was cheaper. Why yes, I'll take a box of Federal FMJ :D. Cleaned it that night and it wasn't hardly dirty at all.

Rokman
September 1, 2010, 07:26 PM
Yeah the stuff is kinda dirty, but I stocked up on a bunch of it at Wally World for $4.56 a box three years ago and can't complain. I feel that Remington is dirtier and I like Blazer Brass better. I don't know abou the new stuff.

45Fan
September 1, 2010, 07:32 PM
I have noticed this as well, my .45 ACP brass looks almost like reloads out of the box, and the .44 Mag that I picked up for my boys deer rifle was extreamly dirty. When I was realoading the .44s, I noticed that the rims of the brass varied almost .005 in diameter.

doc540
September 1, 2010, 08:33 PM
Only change I've noticed recently in WWB is the round itself hasn't been copper colored.

It's been more of a gold color.

Full Metal Jacket
September 1, 2010, 09:11 PM
I haven't noticed that the WWB isn't any more dirtier than it was before. The worse I ever encountered was Remington/UMC yellow box


after years of getting boxes of UMC with uncrimpted bullets sunk into the shells, dud rounds, rounds that sounded weak when fired, i won't buy UMC anymore. stuff is absolute garbage. never had an issue with any other brand i've used.

Manco
September 1, 2010, 11:04 PM
I've never had a problem with WWB, myself. The cartridges I've bought all seem just as good as any other practice/target ammo, and better than some.

Only change I've noticed recently in WWB is the round itself hasn't been copper colored.

It's been more of a gold color.

I've seen pictures of these for a long time, but all of the rounds of WWB I've bought--including the 100-round bulk packs--have had jackets made of the standard "gilding metal" (about 95% copper and 5% zinc). I guess Winchester decided to use cartridge case brass (which has more zinc and is very likely cheaper) instead some of the time or in some markets. :confused: Well, if it's good enough for Remington's premium Golden Saber line, then I guess it's good enough for range ammo. :)

DoubleTapDrew
September 2, 2010, 07:49 PM
I had a couple boxes of it in 9mm ball. All the text was in spanish. It was filthy and probably used cordite for propellant.
I haven't bought any recently but other than those two boxes it's been fine.

Topspeed
September 3, 2010, 11:19 AM
I've always found it to be "dirty" but I put up with it because it is reliable, accurate and cheap.

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 12:04 PM
all ammo's dirty. who cares if one is slightly dirtier than another? it's cheap range ammo, what do you want? you're going to clean your guns anyway :confused:

Ben86
September 3, 2010, 12:35 PM
I haven't bough WWB since Wally World started carrying Federal champion. When I did buy it it seemed fine just as dirty as every other brand.

i haven't bought WWB at chinamart since they started selling federal champion cheaper, and the price jumped on the WWB.

Did that price jump or what? I mean, how much better do they think that stuff is?

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 12:43 PM
Did that price jump or what? I mean, how much better do they think that stuff is?

lol i know, why would anyone pay extra for WWB?? it's all cheap range ammo

ET
September 3, 2010, 01:16 PM
Back when the ammo crisis was in full throttle, I purchased anything I could get my grubby little hands on. Most of it was WWB. I now sit here with a safe full of WWB, with better brands now available at prices as good or better than what I paid for WWB.

:scrutiny:What happened, why didn't Oboma illegalize ammo? It was supposed to happen. Everybody said we either weren't going to be able to buy ammo, or the price was going to go up 500%. I'm now stuck with a safe full of WWB, :fire: ...because I believed the internet chatter that the world was coming to an end, the sky was falling, the zombies were coming, crap was going to hit the fan (shtf). It hasn't happened yet.

Roswell_Kid
September 3, 2010, 02:23 PM
I bought a 100-round box of Wallyworld WWB last week and brought it back from the states, as 50 rounds of any 9mm here is going to cost twice as much.

Stupid El-Cheapo packaging. Like BBs or pellets, just a bunch of cartridges thrown loose into a square box. I got to customs here, opened the bag and found that it got bounced so hard that it split that box and I had 9mm all over the place, even spilling onto the floor. Embarrassing. I know, should have taped it shut, baggied it, etc.

Got home and counted to see how many I had lost at the airport, and had 101. Thanks, Winchester!

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 04:51 PM
Back when the ammo crisis was in full throttle, I purchased anything I could get my grubby little hands on. Most of it was WWB. I now sit here with a safe full of WWB, with better brands now available at prices as good or better than what I paid for WWB.


this is why i specifically didn't stock up on the more expensive stuff. once the rumor laden panic buyers have calmed down, cheap ammo becomes available again. don't let yourself buy into BS rumors. guns/ammo buying frenzies happen every time a democrap is elected.

Yarddog
September 3, 2010, 10:48 PM
I'm reloading my WWB brass, Good onece shot brass as it comes, Saving my new stuff for when time are'nt looking so good ; )
Y/D

joel.favre
September 4, 2010, 01:13 PM
WWB used to be the best deal going around here, but now that Wally World is carrying Federal, and even better the RWS Orange box stuff for cheaper than the WWB, I havent bought a single round of Winchester.
Besides that, my Glock 34 will run the WWB 9MM just fine, but that junk will choke up my BHP about once a mag, while the RWS and Federal runs everything I shoot it with perfectly.

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 4, 2010, 01:22 PM
I haven't purchased any WWB for about a year now mostly because, as others have pointed out, the Federal is cheaper and like the others I too have never experienced any problems with the Federal.

I know there was talk not too long ago about manufacturers changing their long life powders to short life powders. I wonder if this hasn't been the case with the WWB. :uhoh:

Full Metal Jacket
September 4, 2010, 04:10 PM
I know there was talk not too long ago about manufacturers changing their long life powders to short life powders

that's up there with "al gore invented the internet", and "elvis lives".

Avenger29
September 4, 2010, 04:28 PM
I'm now stuck with a safe full of WWB

A suggestion, if I may- USE IT.

I know there was talk not too long ago about manufacturers changing their long life powders to short life powders. I wonder if this hasn't been the case with the WWB

Ah, a variation of the "short life" primer law myth. Both are bull****.

SifuGun
September 8, 2010, 08:41 PM
Hello Forum,

Does anyone know what the minimum case mouth dimension is. I recent bought some 9mm lugger ammo and miked the mouth on it at .373 while i see the Sammi spec for the round to be .380 . I read on another forum that the least you want to go with the mouth is .378 . Now I have shot about 300 of ammo with the .373 mouth and it did not blow up my gun. But it was inaccurate about 50 yards. And i was wanting to reload the ammo with the .373 mouth. Of course my dies will bring it into spec. I just can not believe we are being sold stuff that is not to spec! I just can't wrap my head around it. The 9mm rounds i bought at the gun range miked at .380 to .378 and it was super accurate up to 100 yards.
So, how far off is the mouth if it mikes at .373, Well if anyone has the answer please let me know.

bg226
September 8, 2010, 08:52 PM
Recently the QC at Win has been very poor, even with their most premium ammo, let alone cheapo WWB.

searcher451
September 13, 2010, 09:54 PM
I shoot quite a bit of Winchester WB in 9mm -- have for years, in fact --and haven't noticed a thing that's off about either excessive dirt or poor quality control; it still runs just fine through all of my range guns.

fireman5069
September 14, 2010, 04:33 PM
I just use Federal 9mm from Wally World. Good clean practice ammo at $9 a box. Can't beat it.

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