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bullbarrel
September 2, 2010, 03:18 PM
I bought the Sigma S9VE before learning of all those unhappy with it. It took about 10 boxes and it was boken in I guess and it started shooting reliably. Funny thing is you can load the 16-round mag with 15 (that's what I load) and one in the barrel and it does not jam (ftf) but load the same mag with 10 rounds and you'll begin to get them. In other words the magazine appears to have a memory. For example I would think that after shooting 3 rounds out of a 10 round loading I would be in the same position as having shot 8 rounds from a 15 round loading. However something else is occuring here. I don't really have a question but I thought this was unique.

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Squidbert
September 2, 2010, 04:19 PM
Did you purchase the gun used? I can't speak for the 9mm, however I have shot a friends' .40 Sigma. Other than the craptastic trigger, it had no issues feeding ammo. Perhaps the mag spring is worn? Do you have a spare mag to try?

Deltaboy
September 2, 2010, 11:37 PM
My Sigma VE 40 has been flawless so far.

Arkansas Paul
September 2, 2010, 11:51 PM
My Sigma was horrible with Monarch ammo. Still is. Everything else, including my handloads cycle flawlessly. One magazine of Monarchs will give 3-4 fte every time.

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 05:32 AM
:eek:

sell it, and put the $50 on a glock.

bullbarrel
September 3, 2010, 06:44 AM
No I bought it new. And I stuck with one mag to achieve this phenomenon but when using the other mag I got many jams. Then I used a 10-round mag and it was even worse. I do intend to get a Glock.

meef
September 3, 2010, 10:27 AM
One has to feel sympathy for anyone who lays down perfectly good money for a Stigma.


:(

ET
September 3, 2010, 10:28 AM
:uhoh: I kind of might have one too. :uhoh:

It has not given me any problems, except when people find out I am shooting a POS. Then it becomes a problem. The looks, fellow shooter's moving away from me at the range, friends not returning calls, my wife sleeping with my brother. (OK, that might not be because of the Sigma) I thought about selling it, but what message would that send... that I care what other's think? So I just sneak out at night and shoot it in the dark so nobody knows but me and the moon (And that guy I keep seeing in the bushes with binoculars & his pants down :what:). :o

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 10:37 AM
I kind of might have one too.

:eek:

doc540
September 3, 2010, 12:39 PM
Bought four of them and all run perfectly.

And at no cost to me, S&W improved the triggers and even paid shipping.

Best $250 hi-cap semi's I've ever owned.:neener:

Phil In Idaho
September 3, 2010, 12:40 PM
I hate to add fuel to this fire, but I bought a Sigma 9mm also. The first time at the range I shot about 100 rds. Not a single failure but I thought it was the biggest POS in the world. Just a long trigger pull and felt kind a like a toy. So I also bought a Ruger P-95. Had three FTF in the first mag after that no failures.

So I went back to the Sigma, Another 100 rds. ZERO failures. Trigger is still long but getting smoother and lighter. Found out I was limp wristing it and it pulled to the left a tad. So did the Ruger. Yeah, it was me.

Changed ammo, shot the MFS stuff, Sellier & Bellott, a bunch of reloads and UMC. Again, not a single failure. HMM, Maybe I don't hate this gun. Since I figured out how to hold it my accuracy has been spot on.(I've been a revolver guy forever and my normal range is 7 to 20 yrds.)

I don't know what to do?? Shooting a Sigma is like dating ugly women. It's fun until your friends find out.

Mike J
September 3, 2010, 01:05 PM
If it is doing it with both magazines it might be something else but have you tried cleaning your magazines? I don't have any experience with Smith & Wesson or Sigma but if I couldn't figure it out I would contact S & W & give them an opportunity to fix the gun.

Onward Allusion
September 3, 2010, 01:24 PM
You shot 500 rounds through the gun using 2 (or ONE) mag(s)... Did you clean & oil the gun AND (VERY VERY lightly oil) the mag(s)? It sounds like some crude got into the mags and is binding at a certain spot. BTW, the 10 rounders are horrible.

bullbarrel (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=109193)

Sigma Enigma
I bought the Sigma S9VE before learning of all those unhappy with it. It took about 10 boxes and it was boken in I guess and it started shooting reliably. Funny thing is you can load the 16-round mag with 15 (that's what I load) and one in the barrel and it does not jam (ftf) but load the same mag with 10 rounds and you'll begin to get them. In other words the magazine appears to have a memory. For example I would think that after shooting 3 rounds out of a 10 round loading I would be in the same position as having shot 8 rounds from a 15 round loading. However something else is occuring here. I don't really have a question but I thought this was unique.

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 01:37 PM
Bought four of them

:eek::eek:

ET
September 3, 2010, 02:01 PM
:eek::eek:

ummmmh, shouldn't that have been: :eek::eek::eek::eek:?

doc540
September 3, 2010, 04:30 PM
Yep, four of them.

Best guns for the money I've ever bought and never had a single problem with any of the four.

Omaha-BeenGlockin
September 3, 2010, 04:39 PM
Nothing wrong with a Sigma--but the price has been rising so its not really a value anymore.

doc540
September 3, 2010, 04:53 PM
$250's a pretty good price with that $50 rebate

That's a good enough value to me for a high-cap semi w/lifetime warranty.

Arkansas Paul
September 3, 2010, 05:41 PM
sell it, and put the $50 on a glock.


Hey, yeah. Then after a couple of range trips you can start your very own kaboom thread. :neener:

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Onward Allusion
September 3, 2010, 06:14 PM
Bough SIX of them! :D

Not one have had any problems (knock-on-wood).

ET (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=122365)

Quote: Originally Posted by Full Metal Jacket
:eek::eek:

ummmmh, shouldn't that have been: :eek::eek::eek::eek:?

bdb benzino
September 3, 2010, 06:51 PM
Anybody slaming a current Sigma and suggesting a Glock must not Know how similar they are!! Or maybe a bit of snobdom. How dare you guys get a reliable pistol for a low price, do you not know you are supposed to pay twice as much for a similar pistol with worse ergos!! LOL! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Dnaltrop
September 3, 2010, 11:16 PM
there are a lot of shy Stigma owners out there.

I'm not concerned with the reliability of my wife's, so far seems to hate PMC (FTF every 3rd round) , but it's only 300 rounds in. Blazer feeds flawlessly. DPX too ... Time to order some cheaper HD ammo for her to practice in volume with.

God... the trigger... Other than that I'm happy to know that her gun fits in my M&P IWB holster if my gun has to go in for service.

Full Metal Jacket
September 3, 2010, 11:26 PM
:what::what:

Yarddog
September 3, 2010, 11:36 PM
Mine Eats any & everthing it's fead, The Mags are of fine Quality & that's For Sure ; )
Y/D

ccsniper
September 3, 2010, 11:47 PM
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:eek::eek::eek:

YOU BOUGHT A BABY KILLING, ARMOR PIERCING, COP MURDERING, MASS KILLING, UGLY GUN!!!!!!!

seriously, It sounds like a dirty mag problem. Pop em open and clean the heck out of them

doc540
September 3, 2010, 11:48 PM
I made a car gun from one of your Sigma's with the reassurance that if someone breaks in our car and steals it, I doubt they'll try to commit a crime with it after the experience the trigger.


BA DA BOOOM!

Thank'ya folks, I'll be here all week.:D

Phil In Idaho
September 4, 2010, 02:04 AM
Just a question Doc540,

Whey did you but 6 of the same gun!!

Are you arming the neighborhood?

ccsniper
September 4, 2010, 02:06 AM
Just a question Doc540,

Whey did you but 6 of the same gun!!

Are you arming the neighborhood?

it is what most people call an addiction, here... it is called a collection.

bdb benzino
September 4, 2010, 02:57 AM
it is what most people call an addiction, here... it is called a collection.

Aint that the truth!

oasis618
September 4, 2010, 03:24 AM
:what::what:

This is so not you. :eek:

basicblur
September 4, 2010, 05:13 AM
Whey did you but 6 of the same gun!!
Think at one time I had 5 or 6 of 'em also.
Back when I had 'em, they were giving rebates/discount certificates and free luggage (range bags, duffles, etc). Every time I needed another piece of luggage, I'd buy another Sigma! :what: Back then they were cheaper than now, and with a $25 rebate and a free piece of luggage...?

Built a nice little collection of various sized bags-over the years I finally managed to rid myself of all but one, which was my bed gun for 12+ years until recently being replaced with a SIG SP2022. Main reason for replacing was the night sights need replacing (applied that money towards the SIG), the SIG's picatinny rail (TLR-2s fits), and the SIG makes for great/easy dry fire practice in DA.

I never had a problem with 'em, specially the 'E' models (Enhanced). Everybody I sold 'em to seemed to be pleased with 'em, and although most were new or new to larger calibers for SD/home guns, they could all manage to hit the targets just fine without all the whining 'bout the trigger. 'Course, most of 'em learned how to shoot with DA revolvers.
Mebbe there's a lesson for new shooters in there? :D

BTW-as my first polymer gun, I tried both the Sigma and the Glock-did a lot of research on both of 'em, and their were various reasons (perfection aside :uhoh:) to pick the Sigma-the grip angle of the Sigma sealed the deal.

Onward Allusion
September 4, 2010, 10:27 AM
They're inexpensive, dependable, & has a standard capacity of 16 to 14 plus 1 depending on the model.

They're great pistols for the disaster pack. They're also good for tossing into the bottom of the trunk with a few mags and a holster for the chance that your car breaks down somewhere not very nice and your EDC is a mouse-gun. The others could be shooters.

My personal belief is that everyone should have several copies of the same weapon so that one is, shall we say, accurate when the moment depends on it.


Phil In Idaho (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=129189)
Just a question Doc540,
Whey did you but 6 of the same gun!!
Are you arming the neighborhood?

Lucky Derby
September 4, 2010, 12:25 PM
I have an SW9F with more than 20K rounds through it. went back to Smith a couple of years back to fix a broken trigger spring. Only problem the pistol ever had. Thing runs like a champ.

harmon rabb
September 4, 2010, 12:49 PM
I'd rather have a sigma than a hi-point. :o

ccsniper
September 4, 2010, 03:03 PM
I really wish I could a good supply of used ones. Every one around here tries to sell em for 400 when I can pick em up for 320 - rebate at Academy's.

mickeygrimreaperblueeyes
September 4, 2010, 03:13 PM
I guess my wife's phenomenon of the striker sleeve sticking and not completely striking the primer wasn't a weird thing then. Other than welding the striker catch higher and then gettting a metal tub instead of the plastic one for the striker, it's a flawless operation now. 9mm sigma, 16 round mags.

Full Metal Jacket
September 4, 2010, 05:27 PM
This is so not you. :eek:

:eek:

CDR_Glock
September 4, 2010, 06:04 PM
One has to feel sympathy for anyone who lays down perfectly good money for a Stigma.


:(

I had one. It sucked because the trigger was bizarre. What a POS!

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