Do you pack your Wilson Combat?


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Buck Snort
September 2, 2010, 04:30 PM
My Wilson Combat is securely ensconced in my gunsafe and only comes out for trips to the range. While I cannot get a CCW here in the People's Republic of Stanislaus Co, CA my carry gun WOULD be my $1200 Kimber and not my $2600 WC. If I ever had to shoot in self defense the gun would be confiscated and possibly never returned. Letting somebody steal my $1200 gun seems a lot better than letting somebody steal my $2600 gun. How about the rest of you, do you pack your high end piece something of lesser value?

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Shadowdancer
September 2, 2010, 06:04 PM
My daily carry is a Sig P238. When the need arises, I take the Les Baer Premier II instead. The situation dictates what I carry. The value of the gun is secondary.

huntershooter
September 2, 2010, 06:38 PM
Sure I do, in addition to several Baers and full blown custom 1911's.
BECAUSE I shoot these best.
What's your life worth?

9mmepiphany
September 2, 2010, 06:53 PM
While I wouldn't carry a Wilson Custom, I will carry a real customized 1911 (in the $4-6k range) if that is what I shot best with. The higher end 1911s aren't designed as weekend toys, they are working guns

The Lone Haranguer
September 2, 2010, 07:02 PM
Aside from true collectible guns - and I even took those out to shoot occasionally - why buy something you aren't going to put to work? If that high dollar gun is what you shoot best and have the most confidence in, carry it and worry about what might happen to it as evidence later. If you order your life to avoid confrontations, the likelihood that you will get into a shooting is very low. And how it will be handled as evidence varies widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. You should have a replacement on hand if the unthinkable does happen, however.

BlayGlock
September 2, 2010, 07:18 PM
I carry this one all the time:

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/NHC/NighthawkPredator003.jpg

http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv239/BlayGlock/NHC/IMG00002-20100629-1959.jpg

I will have my gun back quickly if I ever have to use it here in Texas.

Nushif
September 2, 2010, 07:45 PM
I don't carry my 1911 either. She's a safe queen. Simply because my Glock shoots equally well and I have no compulsion about messing it up or messing with it, myself.
I feel bad enough that I put an idiot mark on the 1911 already.

hexidismal
September 2, 2010, 07:53 PM
I might.. that is if I had any chance of actually being able to afford one in the first place :P
I do carry my Springfield though, which is probably the most expensive pistol I own. I do think about the downside of that, but it's simply the gun I shoot best and feel the most comfortable with.

gwnorth
September 2, 2010, 08:36 PM
My personal feeling is that, if I were ever to have to use one of my firearms in a self defense situation, loosing it afterwards (for good or short term) would be just about the very last thing on my mind. Seriously, there are just so many other far more important consequences you would have to deal with, that such thoughts simply do not enter in to my choice of PD firearm.

I basically want the very best gun I can afford - not that price necessarily determines quality, but I would not rank and choose my firearms by their purchase price either.

bigfatdave
September 2, 2010, 09:25 PM
I wouldn't carry a race gun set up for competition (optics, hair trigger, extra weights, mag-funnel, ambi crap, etc etc) but I see no reason a working pistol shouldn't be an option for EDC. If you're worried about possible loss to evidence, you have your priorities wrong. Of course, there are entirely adequate defensive 1911 pistols out there for $400-$800, so carrying even a $1200 one seems silly to me.

Most of the high-dollar 1911 pistols I see don't have a bit of advantage over an armscorp import for defensive purposes, they're just prettier or set up with "custom features".

EddieNFL
September 2, 2010, 09:43 PM
This one..

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/EddieF/NHLeather.jpg

...or this one.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a338/EddieF/1911s/Firearms002.jpg

Full Metal Jacket
September 2, 2010, 09:44 PM
While I wouldn't carry a Wilson Custom, I will carry a real customized 1911 (in the $4-6k range) if that is what I shot best with. The higher end 1911s aren't designed as weekend toys, they are working guns

+1.

i treat my $1,200 1911 as well as my glocks. it wasn't made to be a safe queen.

G27RR
September 2, 2010, 10:07 PM
I regularly carry my STI Shadow or STI Ranger, so sure, if I had a Wilson I'd consider carrying it. I practice the most and shoot the best with my STIs, and CCW is one of the reasons I bought them. I would also carry my Colt Combat Elite if I wanted to carry a full size 1911.

Double Naught Spy
September 2, 2010, 11:18 PM
I've carried various CQBs over the last 8 years. WC makes a fine product and stands behind it. I have one waiting to be sent back to WC for repair. I just haven't gotten around to it. After over 100K rounds, the ejector broke. Imagine that.

My wife fell in love with my CQB Compact Stainless and shot it quite well. Somehow, it is no longer my gun anymore.

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We had a group that got together every week to do various defensive shooting drills. Anyone in the club could attend, but we had a core group of 4-6 people. So one week this guy shows up and asks if he could participate and I said that would be fine. So then he proceeds to put his Kel Tec into his glove box and goes to the trunk of his Mercedes to retrieve a custom Colt Gold Cup and groovy tooled holster. It was a very pretty gun that was in a custom rug as well.

When I asked what was up with the Gold Cup and the Kel Tec, he told me that his Kel Tec was his carry gun and that he shot the Gold Cup much better and only got it out for going to the range. It seems he didn't want to carry his expensive gun, though he shot it better and he didn't want to drill with his carry gun because his carry gun was "meant to be carried a lot and shot a little."

I told him that he was welcome to stay, but that is was missing the point. He didn't understand when I asked if he only drove his Mercedes to the range as well.

Deltaboy
September 2, 2010, 11:39 PM
Why buy a Combat Hand gun and not carry it?

Ky Larry
September 3, 2010, 02:04 AM
I carry my Kimber. At this time I can't afford a $2000.00+ gun. I have about $1400.00 in my Kimber. I'd carry my Python but the 6" barrel kinda limits concealed carry options.

Zane
September 3, 2010, 09:41 AM
I have a Compact CQB and a Protector. I carry either. I bought them to carry them, as I have no other centerfire handguns.

mljdeckard
September 3, 2010, 10:00 AM
Is your life worth $2600?

For the record, I carry a Kimber. It costed a lot less than that. I THINK, that you should use whatever gun you will shoot best under the worst of circumstances. That may cost more or less than $2k.

Ask yourself this. Is your perception of what is an acceptable dollar value to use in a crisis relative to what you were used to? What if viable self-defense options costed say, $10k? would it be worth it if it saved your life?

My grandfather's Inland M-1 carbine is currently in my closet, with two magazines in a pouch on the buttstock. It is my wife's primary HD rifle. If she uses it, it may well get taken as evidence, and I may or may not ever see it again. What would my grandfather say if I refused to use it when I really needed it because it holds too much sentimental value? I know what he would say, but I can't repeat it on The High Road.

Save your life first. Settle the bill for replacing your gear later.

dom1104
September 3, 2010, 10:09 AM
Once it gets done with its reliability testing with HPs, you betcha I will be carrying my 1600 dollar STI Sentry if I felt the need.

Normally, a J-frame is all I feel I need.

HexHead
September 3, 2010, 11:59 AM
I occasionally carry my Nighthawk, but not as often as I expected to. Partly for the reason you brought up, and partly because my Colt New Agent is more convenient and comfortable.

kamagong
September 4, 2010, 03:10 AM
I don't have a Wilson, but I do have a Baer. I don't have a CCW either as I am also a California resident, but the Baer is more than just a safe queen. When traveling like I am this weekend it is in a holster nearby.

Ridgerunner665
September 4, 2010, 03:14 AM
I carry my Baer...24/7/365.

Thats what I bought it for...

Zerodefect
September 4, 2010, 09:26 PM
All my CCW's are "cost is no object" type. When my life is on the line, I choose the best CCW I can. Cost is not an option. size, capacity, performance, how much I can or can't dress for, are options.

If cost is important, cancel your cable. Priorities man.

My 1911's, are my best choice for many situations. It stings a little to wear and scratch up a $2000 pistol, but it's worth it. You can refinish your 1911 every couple of years or as needed anyway. And the newer finishes really turn the 1911 into a tougher, much less rust prone, and scratch resistant weapon. ION bond, Hardhat, Melonite, etc.

My midsize gun is a $900+ Glock 23. (everything modded/tuned) If something is out there to make it shoot better, it's going on.

Even my Mouse gun was $650+. Kahr p380. That double the cost of a Keltec p3at, but it had the sights and trigger that worked best for me.

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 4, 2010, 09:47 PM
I would never carry an $1000+ gun. If you use it, you'll lose it. Right now I carry a Glock mainly for reliability and commonality. If I use it and it ends up in a police evidence lockup for a year, oh well. I would not want that to happen to some custom multiple thousands of dollars costing gun.

As far as "cost is no object", that is somewhat of a non-sequitur. I can see that as being smart if you're talking about reliability. But once you go past that and are just paying for custom work or an expensive brand name, it's pointless. A stock unmodded Sig, Glock, or similar modern semi-auto covers the reliability angle perfectly, and without the extra few thousand dollars. If you really think a $3000 1911 is going to be more reliable than a $600 Sig or Glock, you're kidding yourself. And wasting a lot of money in the process.

Double Naught Spy
September 4, 2010, 10:47 PM
I would never carry an $1000+ gun. If you use it, you'll lose it.

If my life is saved, it will be money well spent, regardless of what it costs. If it is a justified shoot, you should be getting it back.

Of course, the chances that most of us are going to use a gun to defend ourselves is quite low.

TimboKhan
September 5, 2010, 01:22 PM
What's your life worth?

I hate this saying. Apparently your life is worth way more than mine since I carry either a revolver that I paid $350.00 for a few years ago or a Glock that was given to me.

And yes, if I owned a Wilson, I would carry it. I absolutely do not need a $2500.00 safe queen/range toy.

wildboar
September 6, 2010, 12:50 AM
What you do is go out and buy several $2500+ guns. Pretty soon they become nothing special, just another piece of steel.

You should always have a Glock level pistol along for the ride, keep it under your seat or in your trunk, this will be your junker level gun, not really worth worrying about if anything happens to it.

Then carry one of the real guns on your person as your CCW.

Who cares about how much your life is worth, it's more about the fact that life is too short to worry about $2500 that you can't take with you anyway.

In this day and age, $2500 is just another flatscreen TV, rims for the truck, season tickets, or dog food and cable TV for a year.

DasFriek
September 6, 2010, 01:04 AM
If i own it, I shoot it.
If i shoot it, I carry it.
If i could afford it, Id own a Wilson or DW.


Its a tool, But it can be art or a mechanical masterpiece. But in the end its just a chunk of metal made to do a job. And that job isnt sitting somewhere collecting dust imo.

But this is me and i dont have any right to tell someone else what to do with thier money or tools. But when it comes to defending my life and loved ones i want the best tool available. And no doubt these guns are pretty much just that, So imo its a waste to not use them as for the job they were designed to do.

Holding a gun gives me no satisfaction, Shooting it and then sticking it in my holster under my belt makes me feel i got my moneys worth.

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 6, 2010, 01:50 AM
If my life is saved, it will be money well spent, regardless of what it costs. If it is a justified shoot, you should be getting it back.

With a year's worth a rust and corrosion and the evidence tech's initials and case number scratched into the slide.

Just a general question: does anyone here really think a $2500 pistol is more reliable in a self defense gunfight than a $500 pistol? Do you look at someone who carries a Glock 23 or a Sig P226 and think that they are risking their life on an unreliable and substandard gun because it didn't cost as much as yours? I'm really asking.

bigfatdave
September 6, 2010, 01:54 AM
does anyone here really think a $2500 pistol is more reliable in a self defense gunfight than a $500 pistol?I sure don't, at least not if you're mildly competent in picking out a $500 pistol in the first place.

surjimmy
September 6, 2010, 04:49 AM
I don't have a Wilson, but I do have a Les Baer, Ed Brown, 70 Series by Mr. Yost, and a few others. I don't see having these very reliable weapons and not carry them. I carry to protect my family and myself, so I carry the best I can find. I'm not saying just because it cost alot it's reliable, it just happens that these are. JMHO....

mljdeckard
September 6, 2010, 05:33 AM
I do think that there is a law of diminishing returns for guns, particularly for 1911s, but I put the line somewhere close to $1000. No you don't have to spend serious money to get a gun reliable enough to save your life.

9mmepiphany
September 6, 2010, 05:25 PM
I do think that there is a law of diminishing returns for guns, particularly for 1911s, but I put the line somewhere close to $1000.
I've found the line closer to $1500

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 6, 2010, 05:34 PM
Which begs the question, why carry that extra $1000 around on your hip? You're looking at 2 guns in your safe deciding which one to carry. A $2500 custom 1911, and say a $500 M&P, G23, or maybe a $700 Sig p226. You know that they are all reliable guns and the M&P, Glock and Sig are all used by police departments every day in real shooting and perform just fine. So we're not talking about reliability. You know that the $2500 gun is not more reliable than the $500 one. So why carry the extra money around?

BullfrogKen
September 6, 2010, 05:40 PM
Just a general question: does anyone here really think a $2500 pistol is more reliable in a self defense gunfight than a $500 pistol? Do you look at someone who carries a Glock 23 or a Sig P226 and think that they are risking their life on an unreliable and substandard gun because it didn't cause as much as yours? I'm really asking.

The point of a semi-custom or full-custom handgun is not enhanced reliability.

It's in the enhanced utility.


There are things I want that don't come on a factory, mass-production model. Those things have nothing to do with reliability. They are features I can use to shoot faster, or with better control, or for a host of other reasons that have nothing to do with reliability.


The fact you cannot justify it in your mind has no bearing on it's value to me. You simply cannot appreciate the difference between a factory-production gun and ones made with custom, or even semi-custom features. I can, and I can take advantage of them.



I can't appreciate the difference between a dedicated racing motorcycle and a production sportsbike. With my riding skill, I'd be just happy with a standard model. I couldn't take advantage of a racebike's enhancements. But someone who has those skills can take advantage of them. He likely has preferences on all manner of things, like specific tires, braking systems, transmissions, etc and is willing to pay extra to have those preferences on his bike - because he can appreciate the difference and has the skills to use the bike past a production model's limitations.

huntershooter
September 6, 2010, 05:45 PM
Ken beat me to the punch.
It's not about reliability; it's what am I most comfortable with, what do I have the most confidence in, what do I shoot the best?

Quack
September 6, 2010, 08:18 PM
i carry this:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_2232.jpg

but i've also carried my Wilson a few time's just to do it.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_2335.jpg

45Fan
September 6, 2010, 08:49 PM
Nothing wrong with driving a ferrari if you can afford it. I cant, so I stick to my Springfield 1911s, and drive an s-10. I am sure that there are people out there that carry an old .32 break open revolver that was found at a gun show for $100. I think its more what you can afford, but why spend the money for it if its just going to collect dust in a safe?

EddieNFL
September 6, 2010, 09:11 PM
Which begs the question, why carry that extra $1000 around on your hip? You're looking at 2 guns in your safe deciding which one to carry. A $2500 custom 1911, and say a $500 M&P, G23, or maybe a $700 Sig p226. You know that they are all reliable guns and the M&P, Glock and Sig are all used by police departments every day in real shooting and perform just fine. So we're not talking about reliability. You know that the $2500 gun is not more reliable than the $500 one. So why carry the extra money around?
Don't have any Glocks, M&Ps, or Sigs to carry. Don't have any revolvers suitable for carry (wouldn't carry one if I did). As Ken said, I reach for what I feel most confident with.

bigmike45
September 6, 2010, 10:44 PM
I have had guns from Rossi to my Wilson. Most have shot very well but I still want one that was made, from start to finish, by one master craftsman, who proudly signs his name to it. I want to have the best chance I can of having my self defense weapon fire the first time and every time I need it to. It has nothing to do with the cost, believe me I wish they were cheaper, but they are not and I am just going to have to deal with that. If my Wilson, the best tool for my personal self defense, is confiscated doing just that, so be it.....but I will replace it with another.....Wilson that is.
Ok lets see...why does most law enforcement carry Glocks, M&P's or Sigs....because they are given special pricing!!! Are they reliable guns....no and yes at the same time. I just prefer to have more yes than no, so I carry a gun that has been fitted together like a swiss watch.....and a Timex is a good watch as well. But chances of the swiss timepiece failing, when I really need to be on time, are much fewer.

orionengnr
September 6, 2010, 11:30 PM
If I own it, I carry it.
If I don't carry it, I sell it. Simplifies things somewhat.

I own several Kimbers, and I carry each. I own a Baer (bought used), and I carry it. I recently bought a DW 10mm CBOB (bought used), and if I can get it working right, I'll carry it...otherwise I'll sell it at a loss (with full disclosure) just like I did with four Kel-Tecs, several Colts, Springfields, etc.

Same with revolvers. I own several N-frames, one of which has had some custom work done, and is too pretty to carry. I carry it (occasionally) anyway.

If someone wants to buy it from me and rescue it from this fate, fine. :) Until that happens, refer to above....

Which begs the question, why carry that extra $1000 around on your hip? You're looking at 2 guns in your safe deciding which one to carry. A $2500 custom 1911, and say a $500 M&P, G23,
Well, I know which one I shoot better, and that is why there is no longer a G23 on my hip or in my safe.:)
I would never carry an $1000+ gun. If you use it, you'll lose it.
With all due respect, the first statement is an opinon.
The second statement is based on an opinion, and may be valid in your jusrisdiction, but is FAR FROM an accurate universal statement...and should be universally rejected as such.

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