M1A: Synthetic, Walnut or Both (poll)


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JNewell
September 2, 2010, 08:22 PM
If you had a chance to buy a pre-owned, unfired M1A at an attractive price, and it had a synthetic stock, what would you do?

My vote is buy the rifle then buy a decent walnut stock from Fred's...I am interested in your opinions, especially if you disagree (please give reasons) - thanks.

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Z-Michigan
September 2, 2010, 08:39 PM
Buy the rifle, without hesitation. As you may have read, SAI will normally honor the lifetime warranty for any owner of the rifle, not just the first owner.

I have a pre-owned M1A that came with a black fiberglass stock (I believe a repainted GI stock, but I'm not certain). I find the stock just fine for all purposes except appearance, and adequate for that. Buy the rifle, try it with the synthetic stock, then decide later if you want a walnut stock instead. Boyd's sells finished walnut M1A stocks for a little over $100 I believe.

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/M1A-STYLE-1-STOCK-WALNUT-FINISHED-p/200-929.htm

DRYHUMOR
September 2, 2010, 09:09 PM
+1

Plus, every now and then I see nice stocks run through the auction sites.

JNewell
September 2, 2010, 09:48 PM
Price on this one is listed as $1399 ANIB, unfired, with 4x20s and the SAI scope mount...

Z-Michigan
September 2, 2010, 10:15 PM
Price sounds OK. Depends mostly on the quality of the scope, and whether the SAI scope mount fits well - that mount isn't considered one of the best scope mounts for the M1A, despite what you would think.

You can get a NIB standard M1A for about $1300 or so before FFL fees and shipping, FYI.

Narwhal
September 2, 2010, 10:20 PM
I would stay with synthetic. It is lighter, more durable, and in my opinion looks better on a fighting rifle.

I recently had a $2500 LRB M14 built and had it put together with a springfield synthetic stock, which many would probably consider sacrilege. There are some things I don't like about the Springfield version of the M14 but the stocks are not one of them.

RainDownmyBlues
September 2, 2010, 10:44 PM
I must be a purest, albeit young. I prefer the wood on those, bolts, and almost everything aside from "black rifles."

Hatterasguy
September 2, 2010, 10:44 PM
Their fine, if it bothers you drop it into an Sage chassis.:D

TexasPatriot.308
September 2, 2010, 11:10 PM
a combat rifle wont help you in synthetic stock. I carried one almost 40 years ago and when it comes down to it, when the order "fix bayonets" comes down, a synthetic stock wont stand up to slamning it up against your enemies head, only shatter, if the walnut stock shattered, pull out your .45 sidearm. so many years ago, but I still dream about it every night. only a wood stock for me!!!

Sunray
September 2, 2010, 11:39 PM
"...on a fighting rifle..." An M1A isn't a battle rifle. Neither is a a $2500 LRB.
Have the synthetic on my real, semi'd M14. Great, if you're just lugging it around. Not so great for shooting. Especially, off hand. The lighter weight causes excessive muzzle jump. Doesn't change the felt recoil at all though.
"...when the order "fix bayonets" comes down..." Somebody hasn't done their job properly. That's worse than having to defend yourself with a handgun.

TexasPatriot.308
September 2, 2010, 11:43 PM
we did our job, I am 57 and I know, that was the last order you wanted to hear..unless you were there you would know, 4th Combat Control Group we did our job properly, were you in the neighborhood??

jhallrv4
September 2, 2010, 11:46 PM
You tell 'em, Patriot.

Narwhal
September 2, 2010, 11:56 PM
"...on a fighting rifle..." An M1A isn't a battle rifle. Neither is a a $2500 LRB.
Have the synthetic on my real, semi'd M14. Great, if you're just lugging it around. Not so great for shooting. Especially, off hand. The lighter weight causes excessive muzzle jump. Doesn't change the felt recoil at all though.

Please explain to me how an M1A or M14 cannot be considered a fighting rifle or battle rifle. I'm calling Bullsh*t on that one.

MTMilitiaman
September 3, 2010, 12:36 AM
The M1A is an excellent rifle so I am glad nobody has voted against it.

I would get the rifle with the synthetic, then get a quality wood stock elsewhere. That way you could bed the wood stock when you want a little more for accuracy, or rock the synthetic when you want something a little lighter, or for the dirty jobs you don't want to ding up your nice wood with.

Z-Michigan
September 3, 2010, 01:08 AM
Please explain to me how an M1A or M14 cannot be considered a fighting rifle or battle rifle.

Just guessing, but sunray specifically said M1A, and some people (especially on da internets) view SAI as having insufficient quality control to make anything up to a reliable specification, therefore they view the SAI M1A's as being solely civilian sporting rifles and not suitable for military type use.

Of course, sunray should clarify what he meant, but that's my guess. Nor am I saying I agree with it.

I have a SAI M1A and like it a great deal. I won't be selling it, and I would recommend them to people who think they might like them. I'm not a soldier so I'm not too concerned if it isn't 100% mil spec. At some point that gets silly anyway - is a perfectly mil-spec SKS superior to a civilian spec M1A or FAL? AR? What exactly is the dividing line?

Nugilum
September 3, 2010, 01:21 AM
The CMP currently has old M14 stocks for sale. A little elbow grease and it'll could look classy. $35.00 + S&H!

https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=product&ID=PS113&item=&sfv=&cat=PAS&desc=&udc=&mct=&vndr=&ba=&pmin=&pmax=&note1=&note2=&note3=&note4=&note5=&max=

Narwhal
September 3, 2010, 01:27 AM
Just guessing, but sunray specifically said M1A, and some people (especially on da internets) view SAI as having insufficient quality control to make anything up to a reliable specification, therefore they view the SAI M1A's as being solely civilian sporting rifles and not suitable for military type use.

Oh I'm sure it was just some overt snobbery meant to reflect the opinion that if it wasn't built by winchester, trw, h&R, or the original springfield, it can't be a called a "battle rifle". It's still BS. This is the same sort of person who blows a valve when someone calls a 1911 that wasn't made by Colt a "combat pistol". I also disagree in saying that the synthetic creates excessive muzzle jump. Proper use of a sling will combat this. The weight savings are worth it. If you don't want any recoil, go shoot an AR or just put the rifle in an EBR or bedded mcmillan stock and get some accuracy in return for that weight.

MTMilitiaman
September 3, 2010, 01:31 AM
And when my brother was on his first tour with the 101st 2/327th, his company was issued several Springfield M1A rifles with Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T optics for DMRs. So actually, the M1A has been issued to front line combat troops.

And as a matter of personal preference, I was issued M16A2 and A4 rifles made by Colt and FN, and milspec or not, I'll take the quality of my SA M1A against that of any rifle I was ever issued.

The technical definition for a battle rifle requires only that the rifle fire a full power round. This could be a bolt action SMLE, a semi-auto M1A, or a select-fire G3. Either way, any rifle designed or of the type designed for combat that fires a full power rifle cartridge could be considered a battle rifle, correctly.

HOOfan_1
September 3, 2010, 01:38 AM
. This is the same sort of person who blows a valve when someone calls a 1911 that wasn't made by Colt a "combat pistol".

There were plenty of 1911s built by Remington and Singer and Ithica which saw combat during WW II

Narwhal
September 3, 2010, 01:39 AM
There were plenty of 1911s built by Remington and Singer and Ithica which saw combat during WW II

I know.

FlyinBryan
September 3, 2010, 01:40 AM
definitly buy the rifle. an m1a is an m1a, be it walnut, synthetic, or pea green and purple.

stubbicatt
September 3, 2010, 09:47 AM
the GI walnut stocks were supposedly made in a special way in a vat with linseed oil or something like this (sorry memory is not as good as once it was) so that they would not warp. I'd get one of those.

boricua9mm
September 3, 2010, 10:07 AM
And when my brother was on his first tour with the 101st 2/327th, his company was issued several Springfield M1A rifles with Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T optics for DMRs. So actually, the M1A has been issued to front line combat troops.

I'm betting that the rifle he was describing was a REAL Springfield Armory M14 with the selector lock in place, not the commercial Springfield Armory, Inc. - who simply bought the name. As far as I know, SAI has never supplied any rifles to our country's military.

Oh, and before anybody jumps down my throat, I am an M1A lover. My Springfield commercial rifle has been great to me, and I would trust it to defend my life. They just aren't the same exact thing as a real deal USGI M14.

the GI walnut stocks were supposedly made in a special way in a vat with linseed oil or something like this (sorry memory is not as good as once it was) so that they would not warp. I'd get one of those.

I believe the stocks you are referencing are the M21 sniper rifle stocks, which were oil impregnated inside a pressurized tank. Most regular GI walnut stocks will have only been dunked or with hand-rubbed Tung or Boiled Linseed Oil.

doc2rn
September 3, 2010, 10:39 AM
They are still used widely on ships and in the corp; longest serving battle rifle around! Buy it and be happy it will outlast you.

XD9GUY
October 22, 2010, 09:22 PM
I just purchased a used Springfield M1A from a local dealer who specializes in Police Trade-ins. It came with the black fiberglass stock, but has been beat up somewhat riding in the back of a Police Cruiser. I bought a wooden stock from Fred's for $35 and am in the process of refinishing it (it's in surprisingly good shape). I plan on sending the fiberglass stock off to be camo'd.
Oh yes, one other thing, mine does have ALL USGI parts except for the receiver and soon the stock will be also.

desidog
October 22, 2010, 10:52 PM
Economically, I think it makes sense to buy a Walnut-stocked M1A; and then pick up a used synthetic stock (GI's go for +/- 20 bucks); since you'll end up paying 50-100 more to buy one with synthetic and buy an additional Walnut stock...further, I've heard mixed reviews of the CS at Fred's.

Dr.Rob
October 23, 2010, 12:43 AM
I'm pretty handy at applying a BLO finish a used stock wouldn't bother me. I looked at M1A's a lot when the prices were still in the $800 range, probably should have bought one then. The synthetic stocks were definitely lighter and durable if you plan to hunt with it. If you're shooting matches or messing around off a bench, the wood stocks are much more attractive and the weight helps.

Al Mack 1
October 23, 2010, 01:42 AM
Buy it and get a bunch of surplus ammo. Then go out and shoot it up. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Life's short and they keep printing more money!

JNewell
October 23, 2010, 01:38 PM
I ultimately voted (with my money) for "both." I have a pair of Fred's stocks here (wasn't sure what to expect). They're both beautiful.

kmcintosh78
October 24, 2010, 03:54 PM
Get is as is, and find and buy an GI Walnut Stock.

mshootnit
October 24, 2010, 11:08 PM
I bought the M1a and then got the Fulton Armory walnut stock and hand finished it myself. Now I have a USGI contour walnut M1a shooting less than 2 moa. Great outfit. I have a hand finished one I would sell for $150 shipped.

skipbo32
November 8, 2010, 02:22 AM
buy the gun with the glass stock because it is cheaper. then put an original GI stock on there. and for the finishing touch put a fake selector w/ connector arm on there to fill the hole.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/skipbo32/DSC03937.jpg

bryank30
November 8, 2010, 08:51 AM
There were two different synthetic stocks. Mine came with a rubber but pad crinkle finish black stock. I found a used GI fiberglass stock that was green and I shot it with dupont lowgloss imron. When I sent the rifle back to springfield for the national match upgrade ($620.00) including a stainless match barrel, they sent it back with a beautiful new walnut stock and new hardware..

I found a good deal on a pro-mag scope mount, they make a copy of the ARMS 18 mount, for $76.00 free shipping from a outdoor supply internet store. It works and the springfield copy will not stay tight..

bryank30
November 8, 2010, 08:53 AM
Found 25 rd Israeli mags at a gunshow for 35.00.. Can you say perfect hunting rifle? So you shoot low the first time you squeeze, you got 24 more rds.. You will drop WHATEVER your shooting at.

Rshooter
November 8, 2010, 10:23 AM
By all means buy it with the synthetic stock and then get a wood stock. Mine came with both and I was able to sell the synthetic stock the first day I put it up for sale.

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