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Cactus Jack Arizona
September 3, 2010, 02:58 AM
CZ 75BD
2 - 16 round mags
no night sights
Weight: 35.2oz

FNP-9
2 - 16 round mags
no night sights
Weight: 24.7oz

I have the CZ 75BD. Here's the thing, I have a bad back. On most days pain is my constant companion. Therefore, on these days I carry a S&W 637 Airweight in .38Spcl.

However, on those rare days when my back feels pretty good, especially for a day or two after a round of Physical Therapy, I'd like to carry something in the semi-auto flavor. Since I have not found a small, light weight 9mm that I feel comfortable with, I have chosen the lightest of the full-sized semi-autos. I do like the XD Compact, but the FNP-9 is a bit lighter.

So, the question: Would you trade a CZ 75BD for the FNP-9?

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REAPER4206969
September 3, 2010, 03:09 AM
If you're going to actually carry it then yes. How about a Glock 19?



Had to do it.

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 3, 2010, 03:32 AM
Well, I like the Glock 17 RTF2. However, no generation Glocks are compatible with my hands. I have to have my hand too far forward to comfortably reach the trigger.

I like the FNP-9, SA XD/XDM, and CZ P07 Duty models. They all fit my hands well. The problem, of course, is the weight. The FNP-9 is the lightest of the three while the CZ P07 Duty is the heaviest of the three that I like and that would work best for me.

REAPER4206969
September 3, 2010, 03:34 AM
Out of those I'd take the P-07. No question.

RevDerb
September 3, 2010, 07:50 AM
Out of all of the 9mm semi-autos that I have owned, I think that the FNP-9 is the best that I have ever owned or shot.

Azb
September 3, 2010, 07:56 AM
All 3 are great guns and I would have no problems carrying any of them. If weight is a big factor for you, the fnp seems the obvious choice.

If you need it even lighter, I suppose you could carry less ammo in it. Dropping 5,6,7 rounds from the mag would lose a not inconsiderable amount of weight.

Az

2ndamd
September 3, 2010, 10:25 AM
Not just "NO" But, "HELL NO!!!"

A CZ for an FNP? No way man!

Those CZ 75s can shoot and I mean accurate.

ForumSurfer
September 3, 2010, 11:02 AM
I'm not a CZ guy, but I love FN's. I'd trade. Your CZ is worth about $50-80 more, which isn't much of a difference. I'd only trade if it were an even trade.

I think the XD compact or the glock 19 may be a better size for carry, though.

I'm glad I don't have back problems, I feel for you brother. I hope that gets better for you. People praise the g19 for it's light weight. I bought one, and I can't tell any difference (weight wise) when carrying it all day, it feels no different to me than a full size or commander sized 1911. The only time I notice a drastic difference in weight is if I put them on a scale.

Good luck in your choice!

ATBackPackin
September 3, 2010, 11:37 AM
I wouldn't make that trade and I really like both guns. One is a truly classic all metal pistol. The other a polymer combat/duty pistol.

You already have a lightweight carry solution so I would keep what you have and if you want a lightweight semi as well, then I would say save up until you can afford what you want. I think you would regret getting rid of the CZ, but only you can make that call.

I too have a bad back. Really bad. Four bulging disks of which two are also torn and because of the narrowing of the spinal canal I also have bad sciatic pain. I feel for you and wish you the best.

My solution? I carry a Kahr CW9 which is light and slim. I also just recently upgraded my belt from just a regular leather belt to a heavy duty leather belt and that made a HUGE difference in the felt weight. If you don't have a heavy duty belt I would start there.

Shawn

Ben86
September 3, 2010, 01:37 PM
OP, I think in your case the trade makes sense. I like the cz-75 better than any polymer wonder as far as aesthetics go. But those polymer wonders make better carry guns, especially for people with back problems. I say make the trade. FN makes a fine gun, in fact they make many fine guns. Like someone stated above perhaps a slimmer model would be better like the kahr cw9. Get what works for you.

doc2rn
September 3, 2010, 02:53 PM
I have both and the 75b is great for a day of practice at the range, but the FNP 9 is a tack driver all its own and you can tell it after wearing it all day. Before you ask yes I have a blown disk at L5 and a repair at C3 so I notice the difference. I also really like my LCP with the finger tab on the magazine.

stchman
September 3, 2010, 03:06 PM
I have never been particularly impressed with CZ, if it is pistol for pistol and condition is the same go for it.

They are priced similarly.

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 3, 2010, 03:09 PM
I am kind of old fashioned and that even includes the types of guns I like. The reason I'm not really interested in Glocks, Kahrs, or even the Taurus 709 Slim is because I prefer a gun with a hammer. I'm not real big on striker fired pistols.

Also, while I was at the dealership this morning, getting a part replaced on my car, it dawned on me that I forgot probably the most important pistol.........the CZ 2075 Rami. DUH!!! Hence, my online name. :rolleyes: I can't believe I forgot about it. :eek:

I'll keep my CZ 75BD and I'll purchase a CZ 2075BD Rami. I loved the size and weight of the Rami I used to own, but it had too many feeding issues that couldn't be resolved. I'm guessing it probably was a first run issue and that's usually when all the bugs are found. By now, the feeding issues should now be solved. I look forward to making that purchase in the near future.


Thanks to all who chimed in to help with the decision.

Orion8472
September 3, 2010, 04:37 PM
I say that a trade, . . . the 75BD [and either cash or another lower priced gun] for a Rami BD would be your best bet.

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 4, 2010, 12:33 AM
I am beside myself with what I just decided. After arriving at my favorite local gun shop I began looking for a CZ 2075 Rami in 9mm. They only had one used Rami and it was in a .40. :( Nope, no .40 for me. I began to talk to the guy behind the counter about ordering one. Before we ordered it, he excused himself and went to answer the store phone. I looked around a bit more. While he was on the phone, I noticed the case containing all the Glocks. Like always as I walked by the Glock case, my normal reaction did not disappoint. In my head I said the typical "Ew", turned my nose up at the Glocks, and began to walk away. :p

However, for some reason, I did a double take at them and noticed something a little different this time. I turned back to the Glock case and noticed the Gen4 Glock 19. :uhoh: Curiously, I asked to see the Gen4 19. I noticed that it felt different. They just happened to have an older model 19 as well. I compared the two side by side. With the older 19 in hand, the "Ews" began again. :D But with the Gen4 in hand, I felt something I had never felt before. :what: It was....:eek:.....love.......for a Glock Gen4 19. :eek: Well, ok, it wasn't really love, but at that point I realized that I wanted the Gen4 19. :o

After giving it some thought, tomorrow I will go get the Glock Gen4 19. I just hope it's as good a gun as all those Glock fanatics say it is.

Skylerbone
September 4, 2010, 01:31 AM
Sounds like a sound decision RAMI. I'm not a G-man myself but an admirer of their work from afar. I've got an M&P 9c (three M&Ps in total) but could have easily fallen for the Glocks had it not been for the grips and triggers. I've heard the Rami is still a bit of a sore spot for CZ, the first and only I've heard of for them.

Best of luck tomorrow on trying the kool ade, and as an aside I'll say a prayer for you tonight (for your back, not because of the Glock purchase: ). I'm not a zealot but I am certainly a believer. Won't tread any further, I know its not the place. Get well and stay safe.

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 4, 2010, 02:14 PM
Why thank you Skylar. I appreciate that. :)

Normally, after a round of PT I feel better for that day and maybe a day afterward. However, yesterday I had my PT around 11:00am and I hurt the entire rest of the day. I was in pain when I was at the gun shop as well, which may be the reason why I was willing to accept a Glock. :neener:

Why was I at the gun shop while in pain? I haven't been sleeping well and was dead tired. I didn't want to take a nap for fear of it worsening my sleep at night. So being dead tired may also have been detrimental towards my accepting of a Glock. :neener:

Again, thanks Skylar. :)

Skylerbone
September 4, 2010, 03:57 PM
I figured it couldn't hurt plus I had it memorized from my own pt days. Either that, the therapy or the cortisone shots eventually did the trick.

Hey give us a heads up report on how that thing shoots before the implant forces you to trade your other guns in on more Glocks; ),

TexasBill
September 4, 2010, 04:10 PM
Go for the FNP-9; it's a pleasure to shoot, easy to carry and has one of the sweetest triggers you'll find on a pistol. And you get three magazines.

To save your back the weight of a pistol on your hip, have you considered a shoulder holster?

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 5, 2010, 03:15 AM
Well, I went to the gun shop today but the deal fell through for the Glock. I'm not real sure whether I should be sad about it or not. :confused: Anyway, I'm going to have to wait and see if I can't sell my CZ and my Bulgarian Mak before I make any further decisions. So for now, it's just me and my S&W 637 Airweight and five 125gr. .38Spcl +P Remington Golden Sabers. :D

Skylerbone
September 5, 2010, 04:12 AM
My fellow American Citizen: ) it's not too late to look into the M&Ps...the compact 9 is a full three ounces lighter and nearly 3/4" shorter than the FN, fits a lot of holsters and it shoots very well. (It's also thinner and has broach cut rifling) A few weeks ago my local club booted me from the pistol range for a junior competition so I headed to the rifle range. 25yd target got boring fast so I set up a 5" bullseye at 50yds. I shot, I saw. My first time at that distance to boot.

I know it's DA only and the stock trigger is horrid but a quick home trigger job or a few Apex parts can really make a difference. Have a look at http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/mandpprices.html or http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/index.htm to see what can be done on the custom level.

All three of my M&Ps have been 100% reliable thus far, the 40S&W having 1500+ rounds and the 9L and 9c at around 500 each. I bought the first one after my dad talked me out of a Beretta 92 and now I can't stop buying them.

Just another option to consider, though I wouldn't mind owning an FN myself.

Ben86
September 5, 2010, 09:00 AM
Do you know they even make a polymer framed version of the rami, maybe that's the ticket: http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-p/

Cactus Jack Arizona
September 5, 2010, 03:25 PM
Ben, I've thought about the polymer Rami, but surprisingly, according to the CZ website, both the polymer and alloy framed RAMIs weigh the same, 1.5lbs. I always try to do research before I buy and I've known about the weight issues for both for some time. Always thought that it was strange that they both have the same weight as they usually say that polymer weighs less. :confused:

Skylar, my brother suggested the same thing, the M&Pc 9. I'll go back to the gun shop on Tuesday and look at what they have. I may go on over to Bass Pro this afternoon and see what they also have. However, I'll likely not purchase from Bass Pro as their prices are usually right up there to the MSRP noted on the gun websites. Thanks for the suggestion.

Fat Boy
September 5, 2010, 05:10 PM
I don't believe I would make the trade- but then I am a fan of steel firearms. Now if the trade was for a Browning High Power; absolutely

Ben86
September 6, 2010, 02:40 AM
Ben, I've thought about the polymer Rami, but surprisingly, according to the CZ website, both the polymer and alloy framed RAMIs weigh the same, 1.5lbs. I always try to do research before I buy and I've known about the weight issues for both for some time. Always thought that it was strange that they both have the same weight as they usually say that polymer weighs less.

I have a hard time believing that they weigh the same, maybe it's a typo. I mean come one a polymer and metal frame weighing the same? It can't be.

In case anyone is wondering we're comparing this gun: http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami/ (steel alloy)

To this gun: http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-p/ (polymer)

Jed Carter
September 7, 2010, 08:54 PM
I would trade it for a Glock G34, it is lighter holds more ammunition and it way outshoots my CZ 75D. FNH makes a fine pistol but magazines and parts are more difficult to find, and cost more too. the G34 has a 5 3/8" barrel, 4.5lb trigger and adjustable sights. CZ stock trigger needs help, but one that has had a good gunsmith or CZ's custom shop can turn the CZ75 or SP01 into a real shooter. Custom drop in trigger systems for the Glock are available and really make the G34 reach it's potential.

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